00:00you just heard from todd munkin odyssey rewind feature to listen back to that one a lot of good
00:05stuff from todd munkin today uh biggest takeaway that i had that we're gonna get into the post
00:12game press conference does not factor into todd's decision in naming a starting quarterback so
00:19i cannot come away from any of that any of what he just said and think that deshaun watson is
00:27going anywhere anytime soon i really truly believe that if he feels like yesterday's post game press
00:34conference didn't have anything to do with his quarterback decision which by the way will be
00:40made tomorrow at some point then you just watch that clear and of course the field like what
00:47happened on the field that will be factored in and deshaun watson looked like crap and shador sanders
00:54look pretty darn good so that is a very significant data point but if we're trying to field as many
00:59data points as possible here calling out the fans for booing him kind of feeling like you don't have
01:05the mental you know wherewithal to be an nfl starting quarterback right now and handle all of the things
01:12that it means to be that nfl starting quarterback none of that factors into todd munkin's decision
01:20that's that's what he said and throughout the entire press conference today todd did not point to
01:26any of the preconceived issues that browns fans have had with deshaun watson so anyone calling in saying
01:33that people are booing because of his off the field issues todd munkin doesn't seem to see it that way
01:38it seems to me that munkin looked at what was going on in the field of play the fact that
01:44the offense
01:45couldn't move the ball the fact that deshaun watson looked like crap and he felt like that was the
01:50reason why fans were booing he's either being wildly naive or just doesn't want to give light
01:56to a main factor as to why a lot of people are booing now again what have we been saying
02:01all show
02:01if you've been tuning in at any point throughout the day today and you cannot talk about deshaun watson
02:07without saying that if he improves his play and if somehow some way he were able to get closer to
02:14a
02:14top 15 nfl quarterback right now in 2026 then some of those booze will subside and i do agree with
02:23todd munkin that if you just start winning and if you start playing winning football your fans are not
02:28as likely to boo you but it did feel just a little more of that tone deaf feeling that we
02:34have seen
02:35throughout this entire weekend of there's this big old elephant in the room of the off the field issues
02:42that deshaun watson has that that he had coming into his time in cleveland all of the things that
02:49have happened since deshaun watson has come here that doesn't seem to be addressed at least publicly
02:55with todd munkin now again i don't know what i wanted him to say about those sort of things
03:00but the fact that he didn't address it and it was simply here's what's going on on the field of
03:06play
03:06and here is why i believe he's booed that gives me a lot of insight into where todd munkin and
03:11the
03:12rest of the coaching staff is in deciding this quarterback competition so if you thought that
03:17after yesterday if you thought that yesterday's press conference was the end of deshaun watson in
03:22cleveland i feel like i have some bad news to give to you i don't think that he's going anywhere
03:27in
03:272026 that did not sound like a coach that came out of a meeting with deshaun and with the rest
03:33of the
03:34staff and whoever he might have met with over the last 24 hours and was gearing up for deshaun watson
03:40to be told we'll pay you but you know do what you did with the texans go do whatever you
03:46need to do
03:47you'll still get your 40 million dollars but i don't know if we really want you near the team
03:51that sounded like a coach who was ready willing and able to name deshaun watson the starting
03:58quarterback tomorrow afternoon and set sail for the season now he left the door open and said
04:03i want week in and week out to put the best players out there that give us the best chance
04:08to win but of course we know as browns fans that even if one guy is named the starter that
04:15sure as
04:15hell doesn't mean that we're not going to see the other guy and especially if the first couple of
04:20games don't go deshaun's way in the browns way you're probably going to see shador sanders pretty
04:25darn quickly do you remember what uh todd munkin said at the beginning of training camp
04:33do you remember that when he said that i i get to make the decisions whenever i want
04:38so for as much as we may be able to expect a decision tomorrow he could also come in front
04:45of us tomorrow and say i changed my mind i based on today and based on everything that i've heard
04:52over the last week or so i i think they have their mind made up i think that yesterday's game
04:58itself
04:58gave them a lot to think about because of how bad deshaun looked but i think for the most part
05:03they they had their mind made up and look i don't know how much a preseason game a quarter of
05:10football
05:10a few plays here and there against you know the third and fourth string bills players really truly
05:16factors into a coaching staff's decision it doesn't seem like it's all that much so all of the reporting
05:23that we've seen coming out of training camp that deshaun watson has out now looked like the better
05:28quarterback over shador sanders i think you need to take that to heart and you actually need to listen
05:33to that listen to what the media members that have been there every single day have been telling you
05:38that one guy looks better than the other i know he didn't look better than him on saturday but that's
05:44one day and shador has had bad days deshaun has had bad days it's a quarterback competition
05:50it's not a linear thing and they're not working with the same units day in and day out you just
05:56simply have a bad day it is what it is but after i heard what todd munkin said and i
06:02listened very
06:03very intently to every word that he was saying and every response to some very pointed questions from
06:10the media this afternoon that doesn't sound like a coach that is willing to that that is gearing up for
06:17deshaun watson to not be a part of this team in every in some way shape or form i will
06:23be surprised
06:23if shador sanders is named the starting quarterback tomorrow i will be surprised if it's not deshaun
06:29watson because of everything that we have heard because of what i heard today i think that deshaun
06:36watson convinced these coaches enough that in a regular season game when it's actually on deshaun
06:42and they can open up the playbook a little bit more and it's not kind of a handcuff base offense
06:47against players that are going to be in the canadian football league in six months i think that
06:52he's shown deshaun has shown enough to the coaching staff to give them enough confidence
06:59the mental toughness thing i don't know what to do about that because yesterday we all saw a broken
07:07man we saw a player that clearly was beyond the pale that was wildly influenced by the booze
07:16was really really upset by that and like we discussed like james and i discussed earlier in
07:22the show today either when he was asked about it earlier this week and said that the booze don't
07:27affect him he doesn't think about it he was either lying or he didn't really put himself in that
07:35situation yet and then when it did happen it all came crashing back and it all came you know back
07:42to him with him getting cheered while he's with the towel over his head getting carted off the field
07:46after that torn achilles that was 10 000 people what is going to happen in week three and unfortunately
07:54that's not a question that we can get the answer to until over a month and a half from now
07:59because
07:59they have 21 days until week one and then they have two road games and if you listen to deshaun
08:06watson he's going to be much happier during those two road games than he is back here at home
08:09but i don't want to get into a situation where god forbid deshaun watson looks somewhat competent
08:14in weeks one and two and then he gets back home and all this stuff comes back up and then
08:20he forgets how
08:21to play football again i'm sure that if he popped off like he did in the press conference about all
08:27those
08:27boos from the fans that it was impacting him while he was on the field that that in some way
08:33contributed to how poor he looked on saturday so if that's what it looked like with 15 of the people
08:40in the stands and the majority of those people you know not really the heart and heart like
08:47muting lot browns fans the guys that are going to be the loudest like that was your more casual browns
08:53fans yesterday i don't believe that it's going to go any better when there's 70 000 people at
09:00huntington bank field and it is the most rowdy of the rowdy we took calls earlier today from people
09:05that said that they have seasoned tickets they have tickets to that opener home opening game against
09:10carolina and they are very okay and gearing up to boo deshaun watson even if he were to throw a
09:18touchdown pass and win the damn game for the browns so he's going to get booed i tried to tell
09:25you guys thursday night that he was going to get booed on saturday and some people kind of rolled
09:29their eyes at me well he got booed so i'm going to tell you right now that he's getting booed
09:33in that
09:33carolina game if he's still the starting quarterback but he's not going anywhere that did not sound like
09:40a press conference for a player that's not going that's going anywhere other than probably to be
09:46your starting quarterback i i don't know at least they didn't name him today at least they gave us
09:55that just wait until tomorrow anthony yeah but at least i can breathe a sigh of relief and let my
10:02belief in santa claus permeate for one more day if you're gonna hit me with bad news slap me with
10:07it
10:07today don't deliver it nicely to me in a box wrapped with a ribbon and a bow tomorrow no no
10:12no
10:12no that's part of the problem with this organization they don't do anything in a functional matter
10:17i i believe that their opinion is made up i believe that their mind is made up and somebody said
10:23just give it one more day just just not not today but if it's gonna be watson you might as
10:29well
10:29have done it today because tomorrow is just gonna be worse so do you feel like because they didn't
10:34do it today there's still the opportunity that shador might be the starting quarterback oh no
10:38i just think this makes me entrenched that it's gonna be uh watson still what's that he said that
10:43he believes that he can be mentally tough and every question that watson answered yesterday was i don't
10:48know i'm not sure it is kind of tough when it came to being mentally tough and dealing with the
10:53fans
10:54and dealing with the response so if he doesn't know himself right he didn't even give you the
10:58delusional answer i just told you earlier that i understand the athletes gotta be super delusional to
11:03get here and to stay here he didn't even give you that yesterday after that while he was being
11:08defiant because yes while some people hear brokenness other people as we've heard today we love you callers
11:14some people hear defiance and the fact that hey man you're not just gonna keep pushing me and poking
11:19me and prodding me i'm gonna fight and lash back at some point but when it came to him saying
11:24can he handle
11:25it can he be mentally tough about it he said i gotta go into it with the fact that every
11:32game is
11:32gonna be like road game and it'll be like playing 17 road games if i'm the starter that's not indicative
11:38of somebody who's mentally prepared to deal with what he's what's in front of him i i thought it was
11:45an interesting question by mary k cabaret of like are there tools that you can give to deshaun to be
11:50like hey your home fan base is going to boo you when you get introduced like is there a way
11:56that you can
11:56deal with that this is like every other step of the way during this whole deshaun watson debacle
12:01a wildly unprecedented situation of course everybody in the nfl gets booed at one time or another the
12:09damn eagles get booed the week after they win the super bowl because somebody's pissed off about nick
12:13sirianni and jalen hurts it just is what it is but this is going to be a unanimous thing if
12:23you
12:23thought that it was only a small consortium of browns fans that cheered him off the field with that
12:28torn achilles so much bad has happened since that exact point in time that those fans aren't going
12:35away they're only getting louder and the rest of the fans that maybe were like no i don't really feel
12:40comfortable cheering him off the field i i think they don't care you have broken down browns fans
12:46like for the first time this offseason i don't think they've broken them i just think they
12:51annoyed the hell out of them and made them mad which is different than being broken i think browns
12:57fans were broken before the comments from deshaun yesterday the comments felt incendiary they felt
13:05like you're poking the bear back like yeah and and i don't so i don't think the fans are broken
13:11up about
13:11it that there's there's hurt yes but there i think people are more angry and upset that the fact that
13:16you're going to call us out after you've been injured you've only played 19 games you've been
13:21suspended and we had to give you all this guarantee money and give up all this draft now here's why
13:26i
13:27believe they're broken down because after the miles garrett trade there i was on air here i've been
13:32listening consistently there is a almost unanimous feeling that this team is just not going to be that
13:38good and usually at this point in time even before yesterday's debacle i can get a couple of people
13:43being like hey best case scenario maybe should or a ball out we got some really young offensive pieces
13:49they'll start to talk themselves into maybe not a super bowl run but at least an eight nine win season
13:54and we'll be in the playoff hunt we'll be in that in the hunt graphic all the way until week
14:0018
14:01that miles garrett trade broke browns fans because it was the final straw the final manifestation
14:08of how bad this deshaun watson thing has happened and what the the the byproduct of everybody
14:15getting broken down the way that we have been this offseason specifically but over the last four
14:20years and it just culminated yesterday it seemed like is booing and it is anger and it is that no
14:26matter what no matter if i spend my money to go here and this is my favorite team and i'm
14:31going to spend
14:31all morning in the muni lock getting drunk and whatever the whole deal is i'm still going to boo the
14:36man
14:36that is preventing us from having nick chubb here from having miles garrett from having all these
14:42players that i love to root on that were ingrained in the community that were cleveland browns through
14:48and through and that supported the quote-unquote dog pound it's because of you deshaun it is because of
14:53everything that you stand for everything that you have pushed out everything that you have been
14:59since you have gotten here to cleveland
15:00you
