00:00The focus was that Albert says, I talked to people on all these other teams.
00:05I talked to people on the Browns.
00:07Everybody agreed that Deshaun Watson was a way better option to go into battle.
00:16And it's just interesting to see, you know, Deshaun has a terrible game.
00:20The first half of the first game was an embarrassment.
00:23Quite frankly, it looked like he wasn't ready to play football.
00:25It looked like the moment was too big for him.
00:27And as a veteran, like that backfired.
00:29Big time, leading everybody to go, this is it.
00:33You know, this next game, it's this, and that's it.
00:36If this goes south, we all know, especially with the Boo Birds and the way the fan base is going
00:42to react,
00:43like there's no way that he was going to survive.
00:45But then he had a good game.
00:47Then he had a really good game.
00:48And it validated to some extent, I think, in that building, a lot of what they were telling people like
00:53Albert.
00:54Like, yeah, we just needed him to get out of his own head, which was in question.
00:59Well, no, I thought he played scared week one.
01:01I thought he became very nervous.
01:02I think it was right after that.
01:04He said it didn't affect him.
01:05No, it definitely affected him after that first interception that he had thrown.
01:08I thought that it bothered him.
01:10But, you know, there's all this narrative stuff.
01:12Narrative, narrative, narrative.
01:13I think we've said it so much, we don't even know what it means.
01:15Same thing as operations.
01:17And, you know, I do.
01:19I wish we were going to play the whole clip.
01:24But, you know, I hear that from Albert and I go, can we accept that Todd made the decision?
01:28Can we accept that the staff and Todd made the decision?
01:30Or are we still jumping on all these other conspiracies and conclusions?
01:35Yeah, I saw the good one that I keep seeing was, no, this is still about the insurance money
01:40and some mythical claim that's going to be made.
01:42But what Conor says is true.
01:45Like, yeah, there's people, they just don't want to see him anymore.
01:48And it's not a thing where, you know, and some people have just, I don't know what they've done
01:53to bastardize the conversation.
01:55But it's like, yeah, you know what?
01:57Shador doesn't have people calling in to the Browns' offices yelling that they're getting rid of their tickets.
02:03Shador doesn't have security people having to answer phone calls on that.
02:08Shador doesn't have people holding signs outside the stadium.
02:12Shador doesn't have people booing when people take the field.
02:16He doesn't do that.
02:17And honestly, like, you mentioned Dylan Gabriel.
02:19I think, I still think that they were booing Kevin Stavanski and not Dylan Gabriel.
02:22Taylor Green doesn't, Taylor Green doesn't either.
02:25Dylan Gabriel doesn't either.
02:26Quarterbacks in college don't either.
02:28So, to me, it hasn't become and it hasn't been a Shador Watson thing as far as talent is concerned
02:37as much as it is just likability.
02:38Or curiosity, even.
02:40Even if you're one of the people that are taken in.
02:42But now I can't say that.
02:43Because he did play well on Sunday.
02:45So, now there is method to the madness.
02:47Because your thought is, and I think I would agree with it,
02:51if he's going to play this bad, why upset the fan base?
02:55Why let him be upset?
02:56So, you've made this bad.
02:58You now lay in it.
02:59So, you go back out there on Sunday.
03:01You went through some things.
03:02You figured some things out.
03:04He played better on Sunday than I think a lot of us anticipated, except for people with the last name
03:08of Watson.
03:09It's like, okay, now I get the rhyme with the reason.
03:12You are trying to win football games.
03:13You won that game.
03:15He played effective.
03:16If you would have lost it, he wouldn't have been a reason you lost it.
03:18Yeah.
03:19And you also saw a confident guy running the offense.
03:21Yes.
03:22That, again, the game slowed down for him.
03:24He wouldn't have been a reason.
03:26If they would have lost that game, you probably would have looked back at two touchdowns and 200 some odd
03:30yards and go,
03:31well, okay, he did better.
03:33Is he going to be a reason you're going to win football games in the future?
03:36You know, that's that next step for Deshaun Watson, whether it be with the Browns or not.
03:40But I don't have to do that.
03:42You won the game.
03:42It is results-based.
03:43He gets another week.
03:45All right?
03:45That's where I think that so many people get this one mixed up.
03:48It's like, hey, the guy is trying to win football games.
03:50Todd Munkin is.
03:51All right?
03:51He made his decision.
03:52And what Albert says, narrative-driven, what narrative?
03:56Albert says, if there's a narrative on trying to win football games, okay, I guess the Browns are guilty as
04:01charged.
04:01Like, it is not popular, but it's something that I can accept.
04:06I want the Browns fans to be just as happy as they possibly could be or accepting of the season
04:11as they possibly could be before we moved on to 2027.
04:14And it may still very well be that way.
04:17He's had one horrific game, one pretty good game.
04:20We'll see what he does on Sunday talking about Deshaun Watson.
04:22Because we might be right back in this mix coming up next Monday.
04:25But I can only go by what I've seen.
04:27And what I saw on Sunday, I think a lot of things should have clicked to a lot of people.
04:32Okay.
04:33This is why he made the decision that he made.
04:37That he made.
04:38And according to Albert Breer, again, who is a guy that I would like to have challenged on our air,
04:43and it's a good thing that he comes on every week.
04:46Okay.
04:47You've said what you've said about who starts.
04:50Are we going to challenge Albert on that?
04:53Because Albert's an insider.
04:54All right?
04:55We're supposed to take Albert's word for what it is that he's told by people on the inside.
04:59If it were personal opinion, we don't always agree.
05:02But Albert Breer is saying there wasn't one person who said it.
05:06That's a report.
05:06That's not just an opinion.
05:07Yeah, and it's not that – like, I couldn't believe what I kept hearing everybody that was saying Todd Munkin
05:15was lying.
05:16He was flat-out lying.
05:18Which then led people to say, well, he's lying because he was forced.
05:22Forced by who?
05:23Jimmy Haslam.
05:24JW.
05:25And, of course, they saw the picture of JW on the sideline excited about, God forbid, a win.
05:31God forbid he was excited and gets to act like the season is still alive
05:36and that they still have goals that they can play for because we all know what 0-2 would have
05:40signified
05:40and they would have changed the quarterback and the leaks that came out over the last 24 hours.
05:45But I thought that the story that people were holding on to, that all of that stuff was going on
05:52on the periphery
05:53and it's like – or maybe they just really thought Deshaun was a better quarterback at this stage.
05:59Not that – by the way, not that it's doomed for Shador.
06:01Or how many people, raise your hand, do you think will still – still think we'll see Shador Sanders this
06:07year?
06:08Oh, I see him.
06:09I'm raising my hand.
06:10You'll raise your hand.
06:10Owen, I'm guessing he's raising his hand.
06:11Yeah, Owen's raising his hand.
06:12You think we'll see Shador, right, this season?
06:16Yeah.
06:17Okay.
06:17Okay, so that's three out of three and I'm sure John's up there raising his hand.
06:20And I think everybody in their cars and apparently the roadways are at a standstill right now
06:24is a parking lot on one of the crews.
06:25You've got time to raise your hand.
06:26Yeah, you've got time to raise your hand.
06:27And this doesn't mean the end of Shador Sanders getting opportunities.
06:32We still think – how many quarter – Jackson Dart just went down.
06:34Jaden Daniels went down.
06:35Caleb Williams went down.
06:36Sam Darnold went down.
06:38And we all think that Deshaun Watson at times, you know, kind of injury-prone at this stage of his
06:44career.
06:45So, yeah, we're going to get to see him.
06:47That just because he wasn't necessarily ready week one does not mean the end of Shador Sanders' career.
06:54It's tougher as a fifth-round pick.
06:55It is tougher.
06:57Like, we can't reiterate that enough.
06:59But we're still going to see him.
07:01So, we don't have to just jump to the conclusion that everybody in the world that cashes a Browns check
07:07was lying to you.
07:09But that is why when it comes back to Deshaun Watson, if we all still feel that way based on
07:14even what we saw on Sunday,
07:16it's where I don't think that we need to be such sourpusses if they won a game with Deshaun Watson.
07:22And that's what I was hearing.
07:23I was hearing sourpuss radio.
07:25I was hearing fans.
07:26I was seeing people on social media that were definitely mad they won and that he played well.
07:31They wouldn't have been mad if they won and he played badly.
07:34And you could say, well, everybody else lifted him up.
07:38No, he was a big driver.
07:39Well, then you would have been mad at Todd Monk because then you would have said he would have said
07:41he's starting.
07:42And you wouldn't have taken a guy out for winning a football game even though he sucked up the room.
07:47And then you'd be mad at the coach, which that's part of the job is to be mad at the
07:50coach.
07:50You're the figurehead.
07:51I mean, a lot of head.
07:52I say this about owners.
07:53Owners aren't meant to be like coaches really aren't meant to be liked anymore.
07:56They really do find themselves in all three sports that we talk about being a and you'd look at hockey,
08:01too.
08:01They end up looked at as being a fall guy in so many ways.
08:052-1-6-4-7-4-0-0-92.
08:07But I do think that there were definitely people who had the puss going because Deshaun Watson played reasonably well.
08:15Again, I didn't think he set the world on fire, but I didn't have a high bar.
08:19So when he surpasses such a low bar, it's like, yeah, I'm going to be pretty excited.
08:23I'm going to be pretty excited.
08:25If I'm just asking my kid to be able to tie his shoes and he's out there riding a bicycle
08:30an hour from now,
08:30I'm going to go, wow, this is incredible.
08:32This is really incredible.
08:33He's juggling now, too.
08:34It is.
08:35It's a low bar, and it is an insult to the former Deshaun Watson.
08:38Yes.
08:39Make no mistake about that.
08:40But that's where we're at, all right?
08:42There's so many more runs he has to go before I say, all right, we've got to look at 2027.
08:50And I just think we're being a little bit alarmist here just because you won a game.
08:54You can win a game.
08:56You've had other guys win football games, and you've still been right on to 2027.
09:00I don't think it needs to be such a freakout the way that some people have freaked out about it.
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