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This India Today report on 'India First' details a major revision of standard operating procedures by the Delhi Police for protest management and crowd control in the national capital. Issued under Delhi Police Commissioner Anurag Kumar, the Special Branch directive mandates a 10-point intelligence gathering playbook requiring data on protester profiling, leadership, funding, and logistics following security lapses during the July 20 Sansad Chalo protest. In a panel debate featuring BJP spokesperson Nalin Kohli, Congress advocate Adil Singh Boparai, and former police officer AK Jain, participants discussed police accountability, student demonstrations, and democratic rights. The broadcast also features statements from Chief of Defence Staff General Anil Chauhan regarding Operation Sindoor, launched in May 2025 after the Pahalgam terror attack, detailing military strategy involving Pakistan, Sargodha, and Bolari.
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00:02Good evening, you're watching India First. I'm Gaurav Savan.
00:06Can the Delhi Police demand to know the motive, the source of funds, place of stay and movement of protesters
00:13before giving clearance for any protest in the national capital?
00:19Take for example, Jantar Mantar for the next protest.
00:23Standby, big move by the Delhi Police, a comprehensive overhaul of the standard operating procedures
00:29from giving clearance to the protests, to crowd control, to behaviour of the Delhi Police during protests,
00:35how to behave when on camera. These are all guidelines given to the Delhi Police.
00:42So Delhi Police Commissioner Anurag Kumar, he's issued a comprehensive overhaul of the protest management protocols.
00:50And these instructions combine very strict behavioural SOPs for a standard operating procedure
00:58for the personnel on ground. And what's raised hackles across the political spectrum,
01:04and especially in the opposition, are the rigorous 10-point intelligence gathering playbook.
01:09Now this playbook has been issued by the special branch.
01:12What are these 10-point intelligence gathering SOPs prepared by the Delhi Police special branch?
01:181. Profile of the participants 2. State-wise participation 3. Mode of mobilisation
01:28How were crowds mobilised? Did information come in on social media or through some other medium?
01:344. Names of leaders and key functionaries 5. Agenda or demand of the protesters 6. Place of stay of the
01:45protesters
01:46and their movement 7. Their local contacts, their local links 8. The organisational affiliations
01:55So there may be a protesting party, but which is the umbrella organisation backing them, funding them
02:029. Source of funding, very, very critical when it comes to any protest.
02:08So if pizzas are being served or biryani being served, who's funding that pizza and biryani?
02:13Who's paying for all the buses and trains and all the other tickets and many other aspects?
02:19And 2. Who is making the logistical arrangements?
02:24The Delhi Police wants all this information before giving clearance to any protest.
02:30Are these measures draconian? Is this a violation of the fundamental right? Of course there is no fundamental right to
02:38violence,
02:38but there is a fundamental right to free speech and that includes the right to protest.
02:44Or is this the need of the hour given the targeted attacks on police personnel and the fact that the
02:50police say they were outnumbered by the protesters?
02:53They admit that there were gaps in their intelligence assessment. So are these corrective measures that are being taken?
03:00These guidelines also assume special significance ahead of the proposed protest of March in Delhi by the Kokhrut Janata Party
03:07on Teacher's Day.
03:09In fact, there are strict guidelines that have been issued for the Delhi Police and of course will be expanded
03:16to other Central Armed Police Forces,
03:17including the CRPF and the Rapid Action Force, all engaged in the task of crowd control or crowd management.
03:23They are to assume at all times that they are on camera.
03:27The men and women in uniform, they have been cautioned in writing not to get provoked as this may truly
03:34be the intention of the protesters,
03:36so that the police can be painted as the villain of the piece.
03:40There are many other aspects we debate on this show, but first, Arvind Ojha gets you our top story on
03:47India First.
04:07July 20th, a protest march that turned into a security nightmare in the national capital.
04:23Thousands on the streets.
04:29Barricades breached.
04:43Protesters were within 50 meters of India's most sensitive security zones, the parliament.
04:59Over 240 police personnel injured, including ACP level officers, in the violence that followed.
05:142,873 criminals, including murder and rape accused, identified using facial recognition systems.
05:22Despite advanced knowledge of the Sansa Chalo march, the cops failed to maintain law and order.
05:33And more than a month on, the Delhi police is determined to not make the same mistakes.
05:46Sources say police commissioner Anurag Kumar has directed the special branch to build a far more detailed intelligence picture before
05:55major protests.
05:5710 specific inputs will now be gathered.
06:031. Profile of protesters and their past participation.
06:072. Where they are coming from and the expected crowd size.
06:123. How the protest is being mobilized.
06:154. Who are the organizers and key leaders.
06:185. What are the agenda and demands.
06:216. Travel and accommodation arrangements.
06:247. Local contacts and connections in Delhi.
06:288. Organizations linked to the protest.
06:329. Sources of funding.
06:3410. Logistical arrangements for the mobilization.
06:4011. Police sources insist the exercise is not aimed at stopping peaceful protests,
06:45but at ensuring they have enough actionable intelligence to assess crowd size, security risks and law and order requirements beforehand.
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06:58And the timing of these guidelines are crucial.
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07:01CJP has announced round two of protests in Delhi.
07:0411. A peaceful march from India Gate to Delhi police headquarters on September 5th,
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07:56Bureau Report, India Today.
08:26पुलीस है, मुख्याले तक जो मार्च है, उसमें ये सब क्लिरिंसे उन्हें लेनी पड़ेंगी, वो ले रहे हैं क्या?
08:57लेकिन 20 जुलाई को कहीं न कहीं चूक हुई, बड़ी चूक हुई, खास तोर से ये असेस्मेंट करने में कि
09:04कितने क्राउड आएगा, दिल्ली पुलीस और इंटेलिजेंस को ये जानकारी थी कि 10-15,000 कुछ जगहों पर ये जानकारी
09:11थी कि 7-7,500 लोग आएंगे, लेकिन अच
09:26उसरे स्टेट से भी आ रही है क्या, और जो भी लीडर से उनका प्रोफाइल, जो क्राउड आएगा, उनका प्रोफाइल,
09:31वो कहां रहते हैं, कहां पर ठहरे हुए हैं, उनको फंडिंग कोन कर रहा है, ये सब चीजों के बारे
09:36में इन्फॉर्मेशन स्पेशल ब्रांच को अ
09:49प्रोटेस्ट करें नेगा, हलाकि ये भी आपको बता दू कि नहीं दिल्ली इलाके में और खास्तोर से इंडिया गेट के
09:55आसपास किसी भी मार्च को इजाज़त अमूमन दिल्ली पुलिस नहीं देती है, क्योंकि संवेदन शील इलाका है, नहीं दिली का
10:02इलाका हुआ पर ब
10:18इलान किया उसके � L don की लीडर कोन है पार्टी कोन है उसमें कोन-कोन लोक शामिल है उनकी
10:22प्रोफाइलिंग उनको फंड कोन कर रहा है वो कहां पर रुक रहा है क्या कोई दूसरे स्टेट से भी आ
10:26रहा ये सारी प्रोफाइलिग और इंटेलिज�स गैधर करेगी दिलि पुल
10:48about the background of the protesters including who their leaders are who the
10:52local handlers are what is the source of funding would this be invasive
10:59investigation or intelligence gathering is this a violation of fundamental right
11:04to free speech that includes right to protest as as the protesters argue or is
11:10this the need of the hour specially after the violence on July 20 at Jantar
11:15we have a stellar panel on India first to give you both the legal and the
11:20political perspective Nalin Kohli is national spokesperson of the BJP and a
11:25senior advocate at the Supreme Court of India the Congress has fielded Adil
11:30Singh Boparai the national spokesperson and an advocate Arvind Kumar Jain is
11:35former director general of the Uttar Pradesh police someone who's handled a
11:39large number of protests and knows about crowd management and Sairasha Haleem a
11:44leader of the CPIM author and activist welcome Nalin Kohli why do the police
11:51want to know about where the crowds are being mobilized from who is funding these
11:57protests is this freedom of expression being being restricted being stifled
12:10well let's really look at it legally Gaurav the first point is there is no
12:16absolute right every right has comes with its own set of duties and even
12:21reasonable restrictions freedom of speech and expression comes with the
12:27reasonable restrictions in fact that was the first amendment to the Indian
12:30Constitution in 1951 so therefore there is no such thing as an absolute right so
12:37our Constitution is nuanced a little differently secondly it cannot be that
12:43one man's right can become the bane or the pain of another citizen who enjoys
12:48equal rights under the same Constitution article 14 after all gives us the right of
12:53equality we've seen what happened on the last protest there are two versions to
12:58it certainly we stand with students we stand with anyone who has wishes to
13:04protest in a sort of peaceful manner without breaking anything but what we
13:09now know which is evident in the media is almost three thousand identified
13:15criminals who have been profiled were part of the protest so it raises a valid
13:20question because your security my security or rather any citizen security who's not
13:26part of the protest and also the security of the citizens who are part of the
13:30protest has to be ensured by the police now the police cannot be always
13:36responsible for everything without them doing their due diligence in terms of
13:40what is expected so now if there is nothing to hide and I think the
13:45organizers would surely have nothing to hide they are saying we are mobilizing it
13:49if they are mobilizing it with movement of vehicles etc look if we do election
13:53rallies even election rallies everything political people have to give a list
13:58that this is how we mobilize it these were the number of chairs these are the
14:01vehicles you have a full detail of it which means your funding is accounted for
14:05it so the police I think in terms of preventing an untoward situation in
14:12protecting everyone including the protesters and including others who are
14:18probably bystanders or just okay you know commuting in that time wants to
14:22have a set of due this and if anyone is today you're calling a protest in the
14:27name of transparency if anyone adheres to transparency they have nothing to fear
14:31they must transparently give all details and it's just transparently give all
14:35details is what you say Adil Singh Bhoparai if this is due diligence what is wrong if the
14:42police want to I did establish the identity of the protesters the numbers that I
14:48expected details of organizers key leaders key functionaries handlers after all they
14:54must know who's organizing who's participating this is due diligence
15:01the government is missing the woods for the chiefs the diagnosis is incorrect they are seeing this as a low
15:10-end
15:11ordinance this is not a low-end ordinance this is an issue where the youth of this
15:17country has come out on the streets to advocate and express their anger against a
15:26faulty education system growing unemployment repeated paper leave and most
15:35importantly the disdain and the failure of this government to fix accountability if you
15:44start seeing this through a redundancy when the government will again make this mistake
15:49point number one point number two I think by now the government should have realized that
15:56we cannot barricade dissent we cannot stifle legitimate protest and if your modus operandi or your default action is to
16:08label protesters or dissenters
16:11as an anti-social element or those who are motivated and are enemies of the state and I think this
16:18is a huge disservice to the youth of this country
16:21point number two point number three strictly speaking whenever an application is made for a protest the police does it's
16:29due diligence
16:30there is nothing to do about it but the moment when you start using terms as checking the handlers
16:36or who is funding these this is a clear supposition that these are people who are violent rules and this
16:45is where the problem arises
16:46okay this is democratic backsliding you don't need formal suspension of rights all what you need is that the channel
16:56or the force to express genuine anger is circumscribed
17:00that's a very strong word you use sir uh you see this as democratic backslide uh i'll get both saira
17:08uh shah halim and mr ak jain to respond but uh you wanted to quickly come in uh nalankohli uh
17:15you put your hand up on the democratic backslide issue
17:21no i don't think it's on democratic that's a point of view and the beauty of this debate is that
17:26uh mr boparai and i can have completely opposing points of view but that is constitutionally our rights
17:31i think the point i just wanted to make is i said this is in the interest of uh transparency
17:36and everyone reads part three of the constitution which is fundamental rights
17:40please also read article 51 a which is fundamental duties and specifically read article 51 a i i for india
17:49which says to safeguard public property and to abjure violence
17:53so therefore there is a consequent duty on every citizen to abjure violence and to safeguard public property
18:00now we have seen visuals that certain criminal elements and i'm not saying at all that these are the peace
18:05loving students who had a grouse against neat
18:08and quite rightly they were protesting in a democratic manner so let's keep them aside but certainly there were elements
18:15and at least three thousand two thousand eight hundred odd
18:18uh criminals identified elements who were there for violence who had a history of violence so there is a corresponding
18:25duty on those who are organizing something
18:27to i you know basically give those details alternatively they can take full responsibility let's look at it from a
18:34fair point
18:34they can say we are not giving details but we take full responsibility and we will be held accountable if
18:39there is any violence or if there is any destruction of public property
18:43that's another approach now i'm saying the police i think is doing what is the lighter approach not the stronger
18:49approach
18:49but generally saying that yes why don't we just have those details so that we can protect you better
18:55and ensure no criminal elements come okay but saira shahalim activists do fear uh that this could be an attempt
19:04to muzzle free speech uh adil singh boparai used a strong word this is reflection of a democratic backslide
19:12but the point that nalinkoli makes yes there is a right to protest and must protest peacefully there is no
19:19right
19:19to vandalism of violence that clearly is not a fundamental right so there's that distinction that's
19:25being made ma'am okay so good evening mr sawan let us be very clear in answering mr nalinkoli
19:31okay now let us be very categoric that article 19 1 a 1 19 1 b of the indian constitution
19:39citizens
19:40have the fundamental right to dissent and to assemble peacefully without arms a okay so nobody was holding
19:47arms during the jantar mantra protest let us be very categoric here secondly uh if there is a mandatory
19:53excessive preemptive action okay which the police take against students or whatever or if there is a
19:59data collection or there's a police uh kind of uh uh you know what you call action that uh disrupts
20:08the students or if arms are used now for example in july 2026 it has been alleged the jantar mantra
20:15during the jantar mantra protest the delhi police use frt to match 2873 individuals against criminal
20:23databases using biometric surveillance and public demonstrations and it was treating all potential
20:30participants as criminals as potential suspects and that violates privacy of students so again i'll let me
20:39let me finish please now here now demanding comprehensive details on the participants of a
20:45protest which as you can see was peaceful uh like for example um you know it it leads to mass
20:51profiling
20:52it leads to unauthorized data data banking uh then intimidation of student organizers so i'm asking
20:59mr nalinkoli are you supporting all of that then it has also been alleged there have been reports which
21:05has come out even in the supreme court uh you know proceedings and a lot of human rights organizations
21:11have said that there was uh documented deployment there was pellet guns being used there was high
21:18intensity tear gases being used there was electric shock batons lati charges so are you going to use
21:26this kind of these instruments to silence the voice of the students who are demonstrating who are
21:32demonstrating very very peacefully for days on ends on jantar mantar are you going to use biometrics
21:38as a tool to intimidate to harass students who are practicing their very legitimate constitution
21:46rights okay and both nalinkoli and adal want to come in so one by one nalinkoli first and then
21:51nalinkoli before i bring in mr jain uh okay nalinkoli you want to respond biometrics being used as
21:57a mechanism of intimidation intimidating students because criminals anyway are not intimidated not at
22:03all not at all not at all not at all any one of us who has given a passport gone
22:09for adhar has given
22:11our biometrics including the iris of our eyes i mean what are we talking about i mean that database
22:16exists number two let me give an example this right to privacy we are talking of not right to privacy
22:23in a personal space this is a public space so let me take an example somebody wants to watch
22:29pornography at home it's within the confines of a private space and can say i have my right to
22:34privacy to watch consensual pornography not violent pornography so be it but can you say that i'm going
22:40to stand at jantar mantar use a public internet facility which is meant for assisting people to watch
22:46pornography for my own say titillation and you say i now invoke my right to privacy in a public space
22:52and you know in that sense we will be doing something that may not be correct from another
22:57citizen's point of view so i mean we need to define this very carefully number three what about
23:03profiling i mean if you are in the public space you've got cameras everywhere it's globally now
23:07cameras everywhere the cameras are there for our protection not surveillance now you can almost say
23:13that i wish to not be surveillance in any way you sit in any place in the world today you
23:18are from
23:19the skies which is from hundreds and thousands of satellites right down to cameras in every nook
23:25and corner including in private spaces like shops okay on the roads outside people's houses they are
23:31all networked finally for protection they are not to invade somebody's privacy so your privacy has to be
23:37seen in a context there is no absolute right to privacy that you stand in a public space and you
23:42suddenly say that i am completely private that is an impossibility this is not to stifle students
23:47the cctv camera is taking a very very extreme view but that's okay that's a left point of view
23:53okay no no it's not extreme okay let me bring in mr ak jain for his initial comments and then
23:59we'll throw it open before i come to you adal please give me 30 seconds uh mr jain are these
24:04necessary steps or are these draconian measures being announced by the delhi police internally of
24:10course why should the police want to know in writing uh or internally where the protesters are
24:16coming from which state are they coming from what is their mode of transport uh if there is a
24:21spontaneous outburst of of emotion for example how will the organizers know where the protesters came
24:27from sir there is nothing new in it nothing and i i am really surprised if delhi police has not
24:37been following these protocols every every time whenever there used to be a protest i was ssp gazia
24:45war i used to be told by some police commissioner police commissioner delhi that we don't want people
24:51to come from up and arrest them invoke 144 in your in your district and arrest and make preventive arrest
25:00and we used to make preventive arrest so and we used to tell them the mode of transport at times
25:07they
25:07used to allow and say kindly let us know how many buses are coming are they carrying brick bats or
25:13bamboos in
25:13that are they carrying any lethal stuff in that please do take a search and then allow them to come
25:21you
25:21don't bother but to know their mode of uh you know apart from transport who's funding them who's organizing them
25:28who's the handler adil singh boparai says there's a presumption that these are people being handled from
25:34outside and and not using their their own faculties being there sir there is nothing new in it we used
25:42to
25:42have the entire list who are the organizers from where are they coming what all which all parties
25:49are involved in it how how much of crowd can they collect you should have all these informations we
25:56have this very many police was found wanting they thought fifteen thousand there were more than fifty
26:00thousand so somewhere down the line the system appears to be broken we we have we have missed very
26:06one very important point in that article police commissioner insisted that we should maintain the
26:11sanctity of wireless communication there was there was a gap in that and when when we used to handle
26:18we used to give clear instructions on wireless on to all the all the people people used to listen
26:24that the top cop is speaking how to handle it when to make arrests what all action is to be
26:30taken so
26:32and i think he is he is right that wireless communication should be should be there all the orders
26:39that that are being passed by senior officers should be should reach the the the constable level
26:46and they should that point taken entirely that wireless communication sanctity needs to be maintained
26:52uh used to be the order of the day earlier uh but then there was also this phase when files
26:57were being
26:57dictated on wireless of course that that was in another era uh but the fact does remain these measures are
27:04being seen as draconian by by by protesters and civil rights activists but let me bring in adil singh boparai
27:10because adil there are multiple videos of police being targeted in the july 20 violence and vandalism
27:17yes there were students yes they were protesting peacefully but then there were these unruly elements
27:22and you can see them uh you know hurling bricks at the police clearly that that cannot be justified uh
27:29uh you know if the police are being taunted if the police are come up coming up with new sops
27:35for
27:35better crowd management what's wrong with it sir being forewarned is being forearmed what if i as a matter
27:42of fact have interacted with students who were who were at the receiving end of the deletions one such
27:49young boy was such a low jump he's almost lost his eyesight you and i have also seen videos where
27:55an additional dcp is slapping a young girl who is standing on the side so let's not go down that
28:01path so that's one part of the story that part of the story is being repeated there's another part of
28:06the story is that deliberately being ignored sir there is another part of the story come me out there
28:12is certainly another part of the story which is being suppressed by the government let me make my point
28:17the test of a democratic government is how it responds to dissent and this is where this government
28:27stands in the dock dissent including violence against the state violence against the police
28:33that is also dissent legitimate dissent for you disproportionate there's been disproportionate
28:38use of violence against the students but be there as it may the committee will look into it the courts
28:42will
28:42look into it let me make a larger point here today this is going to be counterproductive for the delhi
28:48police and the government because the more they try to muzzle the more they try to stifle the more they
28:54try to engage in this politics of labeling including students as anti-nationals the worse it will get for
29:01them and let me again reiterate there is nothing new about the delhi police or any police for that matter
29:07processing applications based on certain parameters but when you presume and you assume that there are
29:13handlers and there are funders that's where the problem arises that is where you're treating students like
29:19enemies of the state and this is where this government needs to realize whenever it is in the dock it
29:25starts
29:26treating students as naxxers it starts treating farmers as khalistani it starts treating other members of
29:33societies as jihadis this is the problem of this government and i think they must take stock of
29:38this situation this is not a law and order issue god of this is not a law and order issue
29:44this is an
29:45issue of democratic deficit this is an issue of deficiency in the efficiency of the government
29:53fair enough nalan koli if the delhi police wants to profile participants ahead of major protests including
30:00uh whether they've taken part in earlier demonstrations is this legitimate intelligence
30:06gathering or is there merit in adil singh boparai i'm not going to get to that first
30:12okay legitimate intelligence gathering or political profile paint amazed and mr adil rai
30:19my dear colleague who's a colleague at bar who's an advocate who should know the constitution
30:24shying away from the violence that has been perpetrated even on the police you have to condemn
30:31violence against anyone and everyone you can't have a one-way street that the violence of one against
30:39another is not acceptable but the violence of the other vice versa is acceptable or we will not say
30:45anything on it anyone who's injured in violence we have to stand by them because they are a victim of
30:52violence whether it is a student and certainly the police will have to answer for those students who
30:57have faced the any kind of violent action by the police but why would a policeman or a police lady
31:04or
31:04a police woman not have the same sympathy from mr boparai and his party are they not human beings are
31:10they not citizens of india are they not standing there in duty aren't we seeing the horrific visuals
31:15of some of them having cuts on their necks some of them having serious injuries bandaged on their heads
31:20and you say this is peaceful there were criminals there why is mr boparai and his party standing
31:25with the criminals mr boparai's party and my party or anyone will stand with the students but how can
31:31you stand with the criminals and how can you say that a rock that is picked up and thrown means
31:36it's
31:36unarmed the weapon changes according to the situation and every advocate who has ever studied law would
31:42know this that even a stick which is used by an old man to walk can become a weapon of
31:46murder if
31:46it's hit at the wrong time at the wrong place in a manner that can cause with intention death of
31:50another person that does not mean only a gun is needed or a knife is needed a rock picked up
31:55here
31:55on the which is on the street and hurled and it hits somebody on the head at force can cause
32:00death
32:01so therefore let us be clear violence against anyone and everyone is to be abjured this cannot
32:07be selected because i'm sorry to say with due respect the congress party has lost its leaders to
32:13terrorism and terrorists use these arguments that my justification is the reason that i blew up
32:19somebody's home or killed so many people the congress should understand that you cannot ever stand
32:25with violence in any form can i respond yes i have great respect i have great respect for mr coley
32:30but just because i don't agree with his party and his government that doesn't make
32:34our point of view terrorist or anti-national but be that as it may this is the bjp lexicon we'll
32:40deal
32:40with that a little later the point is i've also seen videos and so have you where electric
32:46bait ends are being inserted into the private parts of students i have seen videos where students are being
32:51mercilessly beaten yes violence on any side is wrong nobody can agree to that but the problem is
32:58about political accountability the problem is that you have an autocratic home minister who believes
33:05that he's about the lord's land the problem is that the bjp and its propaganda machinery is using every
33:11trick in the goblin's playbook to delegitimize protest to delegitimize dissent and this is what the
33:17congress party is against it took us eight hours to get siren lochev if i are registered at the
33:22parliamentary police station that young boy has lost his eyesight will amit shah come out and apologize
33:28will the delhi police commissioner come out and apologize who will give that young boy his eyesight
33:38and who will stand with the police persons also i am condemning both sides of the violence mr boparai
33:44you are condemning one and since you made it political by attacking our home minister who
33:49doesn't issue the orders because you don't not have an idea about let me finish mr boparai
33:53one second yes can i come in now the home minister doesn't issue orders of what is to happen on
33:58the
33:58street yes sir does it happen here nor does it happen there but i will certainly say one thing
34:03now that you've said that there is an autocratic home minister you need to reflect how your party
34:07projects your own leader your party picks up a comic character from a comic a cartoon character from a
34:13comic and sees your leader as that it is not us putting that it is you putting out your leader
34:18in that
34:19form who authorized the use of pellet guns was it not amit shah did amit shah not know that pellet
34:24guns are being used if he didn't know he didn't know absolutely i have never heard about something
34:30like this as the home minister is going to authorize the use of pellet guns if the pellet guns
34:36exists in the armory of the police not because mr amit shah has ordered that you have weapons
34:41suppose somebody had fired a gun and that gun was ordered in the congress would you say that
34:45mr rajiv gandhi or the late indra gandhi ji who had ordered that gun which is in the hand of
34:51a
34:51policeman today is now responsible for its misuse by an officer authorized the use of pellet guns on
34:56young students who authorized means what what are you making this assumption how can you as a lawyer
35:01start making an assumption on no less than the home minister without any evidence show me one piece of
35:07evidence that says that mr amit shah the home minister of the country has authorized the use of
35:12pellet guns just because mr rahul gandhi wakes up and abuses something one day doesn't mean it's the
35:17gospel truth i have seen the mlc from lady heart in the hospital okay let me let me let me
35:23quickly
35:23okay give me a moment two learned lawyers has the home minister given the mlc is the home minister the
35:31doctor are you saying now the mlc is because the home minister is already come on can we have a
35:35rational debate just because your just because your leader comes up with a point of view doesn't
35:41mean that is the gospel truth it neither comes from the gita nor the quran nor the bible put in
35:45his
35:45papers if he doesn't know that this kind of everything has a limit you all push the limit i say
35:52i
35:52stand against violence tell me if you stand against violence both against the student the violence is
35:58wrong and against the police it's equally wrong i am standing on a principle against violence which
36:02side are you on the one side or the other i this is what high-handed messenger tell me the
36:09straight
36:09answer mr bhopar are you against violence in every form or are you selectively against violence i am
36:15that is the principle that you have to answer as the representative of the congress party the
36:20congress party is against violence in its every form but please tell me who authorized you the
36:25pellet guns was it the delhi police thank you so that means we both are against violence in every
36:29form we both agree that we are against violence in every form so i am against violence against the
36:35students and i am against violence against the police so do you agree that that is the fair point
36:40okay gentlemen gentlemen this is not personal i have great respect for you too
36:46who authorized the use of pellet guns please answer this question you represent the party no no i'm asking
36:52again i'm asking again so you feel that the violence of this photograph that you're seeing
36:57on the police people injured you are saying that that is you stand with anybody violence and neck cut
37:02do you stand against the bullets or what is on the head on the students
37:06god of your producer should also show the violence i am still saying i am i stand with you absolutely
37:12we're showing you all but will you stand with me for the violence against the police
37:16action has been taken against the additional no no will you stand against the violence against the
37:20police because some criminal did it yes student so so you know now let's see how courts decide
37:27two learned lawyers both emphatically making their points of view but then but then we are not
37:35here sitting in judgment it is for courts of law to decide on the legal aspect but saira shahaleem
37:40uh wants to come in saira shahaleem the police want to know state-wise participation information on
37:47protesters being mobilized that's very basic information that's required to assess the size
37:52and nature of a major gathering so that something like this july 20 does not happen again what's wrong
37:58with it i think mr nalan koly is not aware of the international standards and the moral and the
38:05modern policing practices that are internationally accepted and i think bharata janta party could do a
38:11lot if they overhaul the process of how they look at dissent because here we do need dialogue officers
38:17if there is such a huge what you call protest going on national protest going on that it is going
38:25on for
38:25days on ends did your party you know use any kind of facilitation method to ensure that there is a
38:32peaceful assembly rather than guard gathering intelligence right for preemptive containment
38:38did you even think that they could be a dialogue or did you even facilitate some kind of a peaceful
38:44assembly b the state's duty right now is to facilitate safe channels for democratic expression
38:51and not yes but violence but not to preemptively you have to make the distinction targeting the security
38:58forces is not legitimate dissent firstly a police affidavits here have very have justly pre you know what
39:08you call have gone into pre-protest crackdowns that you know the protests have not begun because they've
39:14started you know gathering intelligence i want to bring in i want to bring in mr ak jain very briefly
39:19into
39:20this conversation once again uh sir you've heard both sides you've heard all sides
39:25is this stifling dissent is this a democratic backslide because saira shahalim also raises a very
39:33pertinent point engage with these students ensure there is no violence instead of reacting once the
39:40you know violence takes place it is the duty of the police to maintain law and order and
39:49the delhi police should do it delhi police failed to some extent on july 20th in my opinion
39:56they should have made better arrangements there should have been arrangements for making preventive
40:01arrests if necessary people with the with the with bricks in their hands they should have been detained
40:09where people who are with criminal incidents who are moving in the crowd they could have molested the
40:15women women of in the crowd they could have committed any incident they could have committed any any
40:20terrorist crime there were intelligence reports that even a terrorist strike was expected so better
40:27preparation should be there all the details of protesters political parties involved who are all the people who
40:36all are supposed to uh join the protest every detail should be with police if they want to handle it
40:45properly
40:46and we have enough so information is required being forewarned is being forearmed i want to thank all our
40:53guests there's a big story uh that that we are coming to on the other side of a quick break
40:57it's a major revelation
40:58five by the former chief of defense staff general anil chauhan big information coming in
41:05they were to target skardu india was to target skardu bad weather prevented uh the targeting of skardu in
41:12pakistan occupied gilgar and baltistan but two additional targets were then given to security forces
41:17including sar godha deep inside pakistan more than 200 kilometers deep inside pakistan and sar godha and
41:25one more target were taken down that story and india's big diplomatic outreach nsa ajit doval is in china
41:34now foreign minister jai shankar is in russia finance minister is in the us and canada nirmala
41:40and commerce minister piyush goyal is in japan big diplomatic outreach that story coming up stay with us
41:53big revelation by the former chief of defense staff general anil chauhan on operation sindoor
42:00significant disclosure about military decision making during the operation he's given information
42:06about how pakistan desperately begged for a ceasefire and the circumstances in which pakistan sought a
42:13ceasefire so general chauhan says around 10 in the morning and this is on the 10th of may pakistan
42:19picked up the phone pakistan's dgmo indicating that pakistan wanted to reach out to india's dgmo
42:25at the same time the indian air force was preparing additional strikes general chauhan says the air
42:32chief that air chief marshal ap singh he reached out to him saying we are locked and loaded should we
42:38strike sar godha and the response was clear go ahead the former chief of defense staff then says he asked
42:46the air chief to identify two additional targets so skardu was one of these additional targets
42:51he gave to go ahead however there was bad weather in pakistan occupied jammu and kishmir's uh
42:59gilgit baltistan area and there was a change of plan so the target shifted so one end unavailable go
43:06hit the other end bolari in sindh bolari one of the biggest military bases near karachi in sindh bolari
43:13was targeted but perhaps the biggest revelation was general chauhan's account of india's escalation
43:19matrix and strategy remember we were always on top of that escalation ladder jail chauhan says one of
43:26the key principles laid down was the final strike the military note should be delivered by india the
43:33last bomb to fall has to be by india and not pakistan so operation sindoor that was launched in may
43:402025
43:40following the palga pakistan state sponsored radical islamist terror attack indian forces they struck
43:47multiple targets deep inside pakistan initially nine terror targets for the first time mureed ke and
43:53bahawalpur the headquarters of lashkar-e-tahiba and jaish-e-mohammad they were targeted in pakistan's
43:59red line area which is that red line area pakistan's punjab province that was breached
44:05mureed ke near lahor and bahawalpur in the southern part of pakistan's punjab they were targeted when pakistan
44:12then tried to take down indian military installations india hit a dozen air bases and
44:18sensitive military installations listen in to general anil chauhan former chief of defense staff
44:25once the pakistanis had picked up the phone and they said they wanted to talk at about 10
44:30the air chief had asked me that whether he should strike sargola i said go ahead and then he also
44:37i said please identify two more targets so he had one of the targets he identified was sukardu
44:44but i thought we gave a yes but no after some time the weather was bad over sukardu but they
44:50had to
44:50change over to bulhari now from sukardu to bulhari which is near karachi couple of principles which we
44:55thought in this escalation matrix which laid for ourselves was that the last strike or the winning
45:01note will be always delivered by us and not by the pakistanis couple of principles which we
45:07thought in this escalation matrix which laid for ourselves was that the last strike or the winning
45:13note will be always delivered by us and not by the pakistanis so winning on the military front
45:20now on the diplomatic front india is in the midst of a massive diplomatic outreach and almost across
45:27the world national security advisor ajit doval he's currently in beijing he's in china it's a two-day
45:34visit august 24 and 25 very crucial talks with his counterpart uh for sr level uh talks boundary
45:42talks with chinese foreign minister and special representative on the boundary issue chinese
45:47foreign minister wang yi this is the 25th round of the special representative talks on india china boundary
45:54issue india's made very clear peace and tranquility along the borders is essential for the overall
46:01relationship to move forward nsa doval has said normalcy in the relationship between india and china
46:06has been a direct result of both sides maintaining peace and tranquility in the border area as he held
46:12this very crucial talks with the special representative wangi in beijing uh ajit doval the nsa also met the
46:20chinese vice president hang zeng all of this is happening ahead of chinese president xi jinping's
46:26expected visit to india for the bricks summit 12th and 13th of september so from beijing let's move
46:35to moscow external affairs minister dr s jaishankar he's wrapped up his two-day visit to russia he's had a
46:42meeting with russian president vladimir putin dr jaishankar handed him a personal message from prime minister
46:47narendra modi he also co-chaired the india russia ig see the intergovernmental commission trade energy
46:55technology uh economic cooperation nuclear energy all a part of key areas where discussions took place
47:03president putin on his part spoke about the growing economic partnership energy partnership fertilizer
47:11uh and he specifically mentioned that russia is doing all it can to ensure indian farmers are not
47:18adversely impacted and they get the fertilizers that they need uh the external affairs minister also
47:26spoke of three meetings between the indian prime minister and the russian president one on the
47:31sidelines of sco and bishkek uh the second when the russian president comes to india for the bricks
47:37summit and also the annual summit between the two let's quickly listen in i would like to ask you to
47:45convey my best regards to minister to prime minister modi i'm looking forward to meeting him in the near
47:53time as we have already scheduled during the summit of sco and also i believe that our schedule
48:05provides for another meeting this year we are happy to meet you we have this morning had a meeting of
48:14the
48:14intergovernmental commission i think overall we have a good report to give to you i think our economic
48:23cooperation trade energy fertilizers nuclear other dimensions as well i'd be pleased to speak about
48:34it in detail but overall i think our economic cooperation has grown very significantly prime
48:41minister modi looks forward to meeting you at the seo summit then welcoming you in india for the brick
48:48summit and in due course as for your mutual convenience having the annual summit
48:55now let me take you to tokyo commerce minister piyush goel is on a four-day visit to japan
49:0024th to 27th august leading india's largest ever business delegation to japan the more than 200
49:07business representatives all a part of this very crucial bit piyush goel met his japanese counterpart
49:13they're holding talks uh with with ceos of japanese companies the focus is on specific sectors
49:20high-end technology artificial intelligence semiconductors clean energy advanced manufacturing
49:25remember for india to become a 30 trillion dollar economy by 2047 100 years of india's independence
49:33manufacturing new technology green technology semiconductors these are areas where there has to
49:39be big focus the objective is to bring more japanese investment into india and to give a fresh push to
49:46the
49:46partnership between the two countries i quickly uh want to cut across to india today's pranayupadhyay
49:53joining us for more on this so pranay big positives from russia three meetings between prime minister
49:59narendra modhi and president putin from seo to bricks to their bilateral summit later this year
50:05key takeaways are they known about uh from from the new delhi beijing dialogue that's that's underway in china
50:13god of the final statement after the meeting of 25th round of the sl level talks is being vetted both
50:20in
50:20new delhi and beijing and we are expecting that statement uh both from chinese mfa and the ministry
50:26of external affairs a joint statement is is likely uh but having said that uh india's viewpoint is
50:31absolutely clear that the peace and tranquility is paramount for the betterment of the india china
50:35relationship but uh this meeting which took place in beijing between uh indian nsa uh ajit doval and
50:41his chinese counterpart wangi is very important because uh after the 24th round a sectoral approach is is
50:48taken and both countries have constituted special working mechanisms special working groups to
50:53resolve the boundary issue and you know gaurav you have covered the length and breadth of the china
50:57the lc between india and china and in last 13 years we have seen that at multiple locations there have
51:03been issues there have been border confrontations there have been border standoffs but most of the
51:08standoffs are in the western sector so the sectoral approach is about resolving the uh the issues in the
51:13middle sector which is the central sector and uh the the east the parts of this of the eastern sector
51:18around especially around the sikkim so clearly both countries have decided to take forward and maximize
51:24the uh the the consensus and minimize the differences okay tell me a little more about
51:30this simultaneous push that's happening um one end of pacific you have uh the meeting in japan and then you
51:38have nirmala sitaraman the the finance minister in the united states in canada bring us this big push
51:45that's happening in japan and in the us gaurav you have laid out the length and breadth of india's
51:52engagement or the geopolitical outreach but let me put it in another way that with a with a counter
51:58argument that can there be a resolution of any world problem any global issue without engaging uh with
52:04india certainly not uh because india the most populous country on the planet uh the world's
52:10fastest growing economy and the big buyer of of many global resources including energy and that's
52:17why all these world capitals are engaging there is a renewed effort beat european union beat united
52:22states beat japan and and countries in east asia to engage with the indian economy to take
52:28india long and now if you see in last one and a half year the number of fta's uh initiated
52:33or
52:34concluded by india this clearly shows that there's a ramp ramping up of the economic engagement and i
52:39think government of india is also making this this outreach with the with these uh big economic
52:44powers beat japan because prime minister naren modhi and prime minister sanayi takai chi called each
52:48other like brother and sister and rakshabander is coming so there is a big outreach not from india's
52:53side but also from the japanese side recently the japanese delegation was in in in assam the japanese
52:58delegation was uh many japanese countries were companies were there in in luck now so many uh
53:04you know state capitals are also engaging with japan uh to and to expand that is how india will power
53:10ahead uh keep tracking these uh developments i will come back to you for more there's more breaking
53:15news that's coming in big declaration by us president donald trump donald trump has taken to social
53:21media platform truth social to say and i quote i have just been informed by the united states navy
53:28that all mines have been removed and or detonated from within international waters of the strait of
53:36homuz iran has been notified that any ship or boat placing new mines will immediately be
53:45systematically destroyed there is zero tolerance policy on mine placement in full force and effect
53:54unquote so the strait of homuz international waters have been demined big declaration by us president
54:01donald trump will this actually increase ship movement because earlier today there were reports
54:06that only one ship moved because iran has threatened to target ships that are not taking clearance from
54:13tehran or from irgc to move but earlier today iran insisted it will not budge on its stand on the
54:21strait of homuz and that its position and conditions regarding the homuz have once again very clearly been
54:28communicated through the to the united states of america through asim munir the dispatch rider the
54:37person who's carrying messages from either side tensions are on are at an all-time high reports just
54:43coming in so just two tankers have now transited the strait of homuz marking it the lowest daily tally
54:51of commodity vessels since early may clear and present danger in the strait of homuz the situation
54:59remains very tense and that's the story we'll be tracking very closely that is all i have time for
55:04on india first this evening many thanks for watching
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