00:00Let's turn straight therefore to the cockroaches because in the last three months if there's one word that's been buzzing
00:07around Indian politics it is the rise of the CJP the Cockroach Janata Party should it remain a pressure group
00:16is what was one of the questions asked.
00:1839% said yes it should remain a pressure group 26% said it should contest elections so a greater
00:27number felt that the Cockroach Janata Party should remain a pressure group will you vote for the Cockroach Janata Party
00:34if they contested yes said 33% no said 43% but 33% also is not a number to
00:44be scoffed at for a party which really doesn't even exist in terms of regulation.
00:48or registration but is more of an idea state of Gen Z most important issue significant jobs 53% education
00:5922% cost of living 12% mental health 4% view on opportunities for young people hard work and
01:09merit matter 32% money and connections matter 26% too few opportunities 22% opportunities exist but only in
01:18certain sectors 14% certain sectors 14% so a generation that believes there is way too much of nepotism
01:25that believe that money and connections matter and all too few opportunities add them up comes to about 48%
01:31one in every two Indians believes that hard work and merit is not enough at the moment.
01:38Okay who wants to go first on the Cockroach Janata Party Preeti you covered the agitation what number stands out
01:46for you here.
01:46Can I tell you what numbers let's take both the numbers together future of CJP and will you vote for
01:51CJP if they contest and why I think we need to read both the numbers together because Rajdeep there is
01:56another number in this is don't know can't say.
01:59So right on top future of CJP remain a pressure group nearly close to 40% wanted to remain a
02:05pressure group 26% say no we want you to enter politics there's about 30% that says can't know
02:11don't know can't say.
02:12And I think that's very important to watch out for because when you look at the other figure will you
02:16vote for CJP 33% says yes I will vote for CJP no is 43% but there is a
02:22sizable 20% which again says don't know can't say.
02:24So will the CJP make that transition Rajdeep to a political party.
02:30If they see the numbers what will they say.
02:31I think for the CJP if they are looking at these numbers these numbers will be heartening contrary to what
02:38Abhijit Dipke has always maintained that he will always be a pressure group and not enter politics though his other
02:43colleagues have a contrarian point of view.
02:46These numbers would be heartening for them if they want to make that political jump.
02:50Rajdeep what number stands out.
02:51A pressure group will also impact you will have pressure in their own family.
02:57So if in Tamil Nadu middle class went with the Gen Z in their own household the question now is
03:02that Gen Z and urban middle class which has been almost like a captive audience of the BJP.
03:07If this pressure group now impacts the pressure within the family which we could see a different story.
03:13No so you're saying even if they remain a pressure group they will influence voter behavior.
03:17They could.
03:18Inside their family.
03:19That's where the issue is.
03:20They could.
03:20That they have done Rajdeep.
03:21But I would just say you know if you look at this poll very sensible in their approach.
03:27They do say that they should you know contest elections but right now they believe pressure group is good for
03:33them.
03:33They split on that Rajdeep.
03:34No but if you look at the three or four factors that will make them really strengthen themselves in terms
03:39of a political party.
03:41First you have an agenda.
03:42Now they've got that right agenda but they need to expand that beyond education get into health get into livelihoods
03:48jobs and everything else.
03:49They're just beginning to do that.
03:51So it's important for them to be a pressure group on that front.
03:54Take a look at the leadership.
03:55We saw Dipke is making his splash in the Mood of the Nation poll.
04:001.3 higher than his boss, ex boss Kedriwal but still a long way to go.
04:05Freudian slip.
04:06Go ahead.
04:08So that is the thing they need to look at.
04:10Take a look at organization.
04:12Who is it fighting against?
04:13A formidable organization like the BJP.
04:16I mean that they've perfected that machine to a point where they're winning election after election.
04:21The CJP has to build that organization to contest with that.
04:26And then finally when you look at the milieu.
04:28They've got the milieu right in the sense that there is a general movement including parents saying that jobs,
04:34unemployment, all the other issues that they have is a problem.
04:37They need to build on that.
04:39So I think if you take a look at this poll.
04:40What comes through very clearly is that this is a very sensible answer that they're giving.
04:45Right across both in terms of politics.
04:48Expressing themselves.
04:49What interested me was that they still on one side want merit to be there but feel frustrated that merit
04:55is not showing up.
04:56It's a red flag for the government.
04:59It's a warning sign for the government.
05:00It's an equally big warning sign for the opposition.
05:03Because they could be eating into Rahul Gandhi's votes or the Congress party's votes.
05:07And that is why Rahul Gandhi was very smart.
05:10He didn't join the CJP protest.
05:12He carried out his own protest.
05:14And his protest against, so for example at the 7 Lok Kalyan mark or other dharnas that Rahul Gandhi did.
05:20That is where he wants to ensure that he retains that opposition space and does not cede it to CJP
05:26or Ahmadi party.
05:27Rajdeep, are we concluding at this early stage that this is going to be a protest vote which will lead
05:32to a permanent shift?
05:33Does this data give us that sense?
05:36Not at all.
05:36I don't think so.
05:37And the last 50 years, Rajdeep Raj, you have tracked this more than anyone else on this panel.
05:42Do we forget Assam and the young people who led a movement there?
05:48But the AGP ended up forming the government.
05:51My limited point is that at this stage what we should really perhaps attribute to the CJP and the well
06:01that they tapped into is immense amount of discontent around specific issues.
06:07I don't think it's an ideological shift, Rajdeep.
06:10And I am positing as a question to you.
06:12We will come to those specific issues and I am going to pull out the numbers on employment in particular
06:17as well as the fairness of examination.
06:19Because those have been two key issues that they have done.
06:21But before I come to that, let's just get in the CJP voices, BJP and Congress for quick comments.
06:27And I emphasize the word quick comments.
06:29First to us, the CJP's Vijay Reddy is joining us.
06:33Mr. Reddy, when you look at these numbers, will you be heartened and believe that the time has come to
06:38slowly consider moving into a political group?
06:41When people say, 33% say that they will vote for CJP if they contest it, would you be tempted
06:48to join politics?
06:50No, at this moment, we still remain very intact to our goal and our initial plan that we have, that
06:58is to remain as a pressure group.
06:59And we feel we get wider acceptance. We also feel that people don't get, you know, a lot of youth
07:06have this stigma towards political parties and politicians.
07:10So we don't want that tag to drag us down. We want to remain a pressure group.
07:14We want to be accessible and in touch with the grassroots. So I think this is the best way forward
07:20for us.
07:20Okay, you're saying, Pooja is joining us from the Congress. And I'm also joined by Guru Prakash Paswan of the
07:27BJP.
07:28Mr. Paswan, when you look at these numbers, state of Gen Z, most important issue, jobs, education.
07:36At the two, it's 75%. Three in every four are worried about jobs or education. Is that a warning signal
07:43again to the government in power?
07:49No, Rajdeep, it's a very interesting data. And I think my takeaway from this data would be that our youngsters
07:54are not cynical.
07:55They are aspirational. I was looking after the data. And in fact, I saw that the Gen Z is endorsing
08:00our reform agenda.
08:0276% of them, they have serious threat against illegal immigration. 70% support one nation, one election.
08:08And I think it's very important. It's a takeaway for us. And as far as our engagement with the youngsters
08:13are concerned, I think this morning, Prime Minister of India had a massive Khello India dialogue.
08:18Previously in the past as well, in Pariksha ki Baat, Man ki Baat, we have a mechanism.
08:22In fact, last year, Rajdeep, my home state of Bihar, which is the youngest state in the country, it gave
08:27a thumping majority to the Bharti Janta Party in the NDA.
08:30So as a political party, we are constantly evolving. We are observing. We are making analysis. As far as the
08:35question of jobs is concerned, I think startup ecosystem, we have the third largest startup ecosystem after the US and
08:40China.
08:41Obviously, there are concerns with respect to job. There are concerns with respect to employment. And I think it's an
08:45ongoing issue.
08:46We will definitely have a more constructive, more solution-oriented approach towards that.
08:51But whether CJP should remain as a pressure group or a political party, I think it's their own prerogative.
08:55You know, there is a warning signal. It's not just about Khello India. Voters now want more. They want more
09:00than slogans.
09:01They want to see, and I'll come to those numbers in a moment because they're pretty staggering when you look
09:06at the numbers on employability and fairness of examination.
09:09But Pooja Tripathi, your first reactions to these numbers. Because when I look at these numbers, 33% say we'll
09:20vote for the CJP if they contest it.
09:23Clearly, there's a young cohort which is wanting change from the traditional parties, looking for some kind of newness. Congress
09:30doesn't represent novelty, it appears to them.
09:34I don't think so, Rajdeep. Looking at it as a warning sign, I consider it more as an aspiration sign.
09:40Because, you know, the way the youth has been there just now, Mariah, was saying that this Gen Z generation,
09:46the young generation, led to a change of guard in Tamil Nadu.
09:49This young generation, Gen Z generation was too small when 2019 happened. But now they're questioning the status quo. Now
09:58they're protesting and they're enjoying questioning.
10:02And I think that's what an aspiration in India stands for. Let there be voices because this is a generation
10:08which is educated, which is digitally powerful, which is aspirational, yet economically exhausted if you see the numbers.
10:15And they are looking at an India which has degree without jobs, which has, you know, which has no opportunities,
10:21which is fed up of the examination league system. And they're questioning it. And questioning this, you know…
10:28No, they're anti-establishment, clearly. But, Yashwar, just want to understand, since Tamil Nadu is being named by a number
10:35of people, there was a feeling that Vijay's victory was driven by Gen Z.
10:38It was perhaps the first time that you could actually suggest a young cohort took someone to chief ministership. Is
10:44that unique to Tamil Nadu in these numbers, early numbers that we see?
10:49Could we be seeing a Gen Z voter becoming as important as a Mahila voter or the traditional caste and
10:55community vote banks of this country?
10:57Could there be first signs of that? We saw it in Tamil Nadu, put that spread to the country.
11:04Well, two different data points here, which are not part of the MOTN at this point of time.
11:09But in our post-poll dissection of Tamil Nadu elections, Razdeep, we did mention at that point of time that
11:14more than 20% of Tamil Nadu voters actually decided on the last day of voting, which was unprecedented.
11:20Absolutely unprecedented. That number generally in the post-poll comes around 7-8%, not 20% plus.
11:26An overwhelming majority of them voted for Vijay under the influence. They said that under the influence of our kids.
11:32Because that was very evident when we did the crosstrap that whom do you want to see as the chief
11:37minister?
11:37They did not name Vijay. They mentioned the other two gentlemen, but not Vijay.
11:42So it was very clear they were voting for TVK, but they were not mentioning Vijay.
11:46So there was a very clear case. The way Vijay's name has picked up.
11:51Two people in this country have kind of amused me in the popularity rating, who are actually more popular outside
11:58their own state.
11:59One is the UP chief minister among the BJP masses. Outside Uttar Pradesh, he is more popular.
12:04Another one is Vijay. He is more popular among the JNZ outside Tamil Nadu now.
12:08So this is very, very critical thing to understand.
12:11JNZ is a very typical phenomena where they are kind of influencing their family members.
12:18Within the family, they have already become a pressure group.
12:22You know, it's not that they are...
12:23Point, they are the new Manila.
12:25Go back to the original fountain head of the UGC, when you are talking about the Hindi back of the
12:31BJP's core vote.
12:32That core vote is getting influenced by their JNZ as the fountainhead.
