00:00Not surprised.
00:01I'm not surprised.
00:02No, I'm not surprised.
00:03I know you want to see it and everything, but I'm not surprised.
00:06One, it's going to be cool that Tatua gets to go back to Miami and start.
00:09It might be cool.
00:09It might be cool.
00:11Miami's awful, dude.
00:12They're bad.
00:13That's a good point.
00:14If you're in the middle of a joint practice and you have to stop and call up the team as
00:18your starting quarterback,
00:19formerly, formerly, Willis, he's going to be rough down there, man.
00:23But, yeah, I mean, he's got the opportunity to go down there and play against his former team that's paying
00:26him all that money.
00:28But, yeah, not surprised at all about the whole Michael Payne's news.
00:31No, I mean, it's pretty fast to get cleared on Monday, practice for a couple of days, and then play
00:36in a game on Friday.
00:38But, I mean, wouldn't it then also be fast to start week one?
00:42I have a point.
00:43You know?
00:44You can have a point.
00:45I think it's a situation where Michael's going to eventually – it could be Michael's eventually going to start when
00:51he's ready to start.
00:52We're going to start Tua until he is ready.
00:53That could be it.
00:54Could be.
00:54I mean, so – but it's so hard to – because you get asked questions about this.
01:01Is this enough time to get Michael Penix ready to be able to start the first game?
01:07Well, he wasn't going to play enough in the preseason game to get ready.
01:09Right.
01:10You know what I'm saying?
01:10Like, I think a lot of times – and that's why when people get upset, man, Dukes and Bell, about
01:14the preseason.
01:15Yeah, eight plays don't get – I know you want to see that, but eight plays ain't going to do
01:19nothing.
01:19No, I understand that part of it.
01:21I'm just thinking about it kind of in the reverse of, like, yeah, I don't know that eight plays means
01:24he's ready for week one, but if he's not ready for eight plays, how can he be ready for week
01:28one?
01:28Because you progress more and more.
01:29Sure.
01:30You know what I mean?
01:30You progress more and more.
01:31It's just hard to – to me – and I'm not – who knows?
01:34Maybe he still can.
01:35And maybe how Tua looks has something to do with it on Friday.
01:41Because, again, like, Tua plays like he played in the first game or like he did in the joint practice
01:46from what's been reported.
01:49You're not going to feel super confident rolling that out there week one either.
01:53So, I mean, there is still potentially a world where Penix benefits from not playing because not playing is at
02:00least neutral.
02:01It's not good or bad.
02:02Right.
02:03But if Tua goes out there and puts out the performance like he did in the first one –
02:07It's not going to give you confidence?
02:08No.
02:09I mean, I just don't know how if it's a competition you could be like, yep, this guy won the
02:12competition.
02:12If it goes well.
02:13That's the way we want.
02:14If it goes well.
02:14If it goes well, then yeah.
02:15Then I guess cool.
02:17That's what I hope happens.
02:19I hope Tua goes out there and plays great.
02:20If it goes well, is he going to be starting week one?
02:24If it goes bad?
02:25That's what I'm saying.
02:26Like, the emotions of what this is because Michael's back is like, okay, now Tua's feeling the pressure of Michael.
02:32So if he goes out and plays well, is the pressure of Michael going off?
02:34Are they going to –
02:35This is why I say it all the time.
02:38This is why NFL teams hate quarterback competition because of that really reason right there where – and a lot
02:44of it could be and a lot of it is the stuff that we don't see from the outside but
02:48that they see.
02:49But all we see is the bad part.
02:52And so that can go into the influence of decision making.
02:56No, you're right.
02:57I mean, again, thankfully, they have way more information than we do on the situation because whenever we get into
03:04this conversation, it sort of ends –
03:06And we try to make good, different points and present the new information that you have and analyze that and
03:11all that.
03:11But it basically ends with the same result every time we do this, which is, I don't know.
03:15Yep.
03:15You know?
03:16You try to know or come up with a reasonable opinion based on what you have heard, but ultimately we
03:23don't know.
03:24And maybe he's not ready for full contact.
03:26Right.
03:26He's ready for 11-11.
03:27Maybe he's not ready to be tackled.
03:28Which is kind of back to my original thought of, you know, it is quick to go from being cleared
03:34Monday to play in a preseason game on Friday.
03:36Understand that.
03:37But if he's not ready to play in a preseason game tomorrow, which would be – or sorry, Friday, which
03:42would be August 28th, then they've got like 15 days between that and when they play Pittsburgh.
03:48Right.
03:48Where there will be no contact.
03:49Like he will not get hit in any of those practices.
03:52Correct.
03:52Obviously.
03:52Like I said, yesterday you saw the clip when he was throwing to Kyle.
03:55The kind of – you know, the pocket guy kind of bumped into his leg.
03:57Yeah, but he won't be tackled, right?
04:00And he'll have the non-contact jersey on and all that just because, you know, he's quarterbacking his practice.
04:06So it might be early to get him out there in week one too.
04:09I don't know.
04:10And again, this may go back to what their plan was all along, which is what Ian Rappaport said earlier
04:16this week, which is they signed to it so they could bring Penix back.
04:20Slowly.
04:21Slowly or whatever, with patience.
04:24And play him when he's fully ready to go.
04:27Oh, I just – the hard part is, you know, if Tua looks like he looked, whether it's Friday or
04:35not, hopefully he plays good Friday.
04:37But even if he does, okay.
04:39And then he plays like that against Pittsburgh and you lose, then you're 0-1.
04:43Yeah.
04:43Like these games count.
04:44They count.
04:45The games start to count on September 13th.
04:47So the competition has to be over, obviously, before that.
04:52You're not going to play both of them in an NFL regular season game.
04:55That would be insane.
04:57Unless, obviously, somebody gets hurt.
04:58But, yeah, I don't know.
05:00I was really hoping Penix would play Friday.
05:01Yeah.
05:01I really wanted to see him.
05:02It does not look like he is going to get an opportunity to play.
05:05But, bam.
05:06Oh, well.
05:07There it goes.
05:09Hard to win a job when you can't do all the stuff.
05:11Yeah.
05:11But that's what I'm saying.
05:12It could be a situation where he's clear for 11-on-11, but not clear for contact.
05:17You know?
05:18It could be there.
05:18I don't know.
05:19I don't know.
05:19But if you're not clear for contact, you can't play.
05:21But my thing is, this is, just going back to it, he just got cleared.
05:27So, just getting cleared to go 11-on-11 does not automatically make you game ready.
05:32Yeah.
05:32I just wonder, because, like, at the beginning of the show, I was feeling like, yeah,
05:34it's kind of Penix feels like he's in pole position, his job to lose.
05:38Does this change your thought on that?
05:39I'm sorry.
05:40Say it again?
05:40Because I think we both kind of agreed at the beginning of the show we were talking
05:43that it feels like it's shifted towards Penix's job to lose.
05:47I think it's like.
05:48Do you still feel like that?
05:49It's a feeling.
05:49Yeah.
05:50It's a feeling that I have.
05:51Me too.
05:52I don't know.
05:52But I exactly don't know why I feel that way.
05:55But, and I said it yesterday, but with that feeling, I still won't be surprised if Tua
06:00is the first week starter, week one starter.
06:04So, again, they're going to have all these weeks leading up.
06:08I mean, he's been in an 11-on-11 drill two days.
06:11You honestly want to go put him out there in a non-structured, non-okay, whoa, whoa, whoa,
06:17whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa, non-red jersey type environment.
06:19When he hasn't even been an 11-on-11 all camp.
06:25Reasonable.
06:26Reasonable.
06:27You know what I mean?
06:27I do.
06:28I just, you know.
06:29But I understand what you're saying.
06:30But I mean, even.
06:30You're probably right.
06:31Even, like, Patrick Mahomes plays every preseason.
06:33He hasn't played a preseason yet.
06:34That's right.
06:35I know he's clear in all those different things, but is he clear to be out there to get the
06:39hit?
06:40Right.
06:40And I know you're not saying it's the same situation.
06:43No, it's definitely not the same.
06:43But they have similar injuries and similar timelines and all that.
06:46But, I mean, Patrick Mahomes will start for the Chiefs in the regular season.
06:52Unquestioned.
06:53Whenever he's ready.
06:54Unquestioned.
06:54Whether it's week one or if it's week two, whatever it is.
06:57He will be the starter for that team whenever he's ready.
06:59He's Patrick Mahomes.
07:01This is not that with Penix and Tua.
07:04Yeah, I don't know.
07:05I think maybe my opinion has shifted just slightly.
07:08I still think over the next couple of weeks, you know, the competition will continue.
07:13Maybe they'll tell us that it isn't.
07:15Maybe they'll tell us Friday after the game Tua's won it.
07:17Or maybe Monday or something like that.
07:18But it now feels to me a little bit less likely that Penix can be starter for week one if
07:23he
07:23can't play Friday.
07:24Stefanski says, Penix just started doing 11-on-11 two days ago and felt like it was too early
07:29to put him into a game setting.
07:31And that makes a whole bunch of sense.
07:32It really makes a whole bunch of sense.
07:33I know it's not the news that people want to hear.
07:36No, it would have been really fun to tune into that game on Friday night and get, I don't
07:41know, maybe a quarter or however it would need to be.
07:43Two series each.
07:45And then kind of grade that against.
07:46And I don't know that that would even be their final grade.
07:49But it would be our best opportunity as people that cover the team or fans that are going
07:53to watch the game to kind of get eyes on them.
07:55But I think this is the right decision.
07:56It is.
07:57Yeah, I think it's the right decision.
07:58It is.
07:58Oh, shout out.
07:59I hate when they make the right decision.
