00:00He wanted to pick a fight with me this morning over Talon Green's interview
00:02because Talon Green didn't get notified that he made the team.
00:05He goes, that's bad management.
00:07I go, well, I'm sorry.
00:08Do you want to call Talon Green?
00:10Do you believe that Talon Green's a fringe player?
00:13Was a fringe player?
00:14Like he could or could not have made the 53-man roster?
00:16Oh, I actually did not think he was.
00:18You didn't?
00:18You thought he was perfectly safe?
00:19Yeah, I did.
00:20See, I did not.
00:20I did not.
00:21Maybe it's just the way they were talking about him.
00:22All right, so you take a guy who is an emergency quarterback.
00:26You don't know what's going to come out on the waiver wire.
00:28Hey, congratulations.
00:30You made the squad before even the waivers are through.
00:34And so you don't know who's going to be out there.
00:36Well, you want to call him 10 minutes later and go, hey, I'm sorry.
00:39Oh, you got to get your real estate agent off the line.
00:42Yeah.
00:42Well, we're going to have to try to work you through and get you on the practice squad,
00:45young man.
00:46Sorry about that.
00:46Were they already in Berea?
00:48Sorry to get your hopes up.
00:48And there was a big list on the wall that they had to go check like you're in middle school?
00:52Like Rudy?
00:53Yeah.
00:53The dress list?
00:54Maybe.
00:55I would imagine, though, you only get called.
00:57Now that.
00:57It's the.
00:58That he's 6'6", that would suck for Dylan Gabriel.
01:01Like, guys, get out of the way.
01:02I got to see the list.
01:04Seriously, get out of the way.
01:06Somebody lift me up.
01:07There's too many guys.
01:09Why are you doing.
01:09When did this become 2-7?
01:11I just.
01:12What's with the cheap shots over the height?
01:13No, that's the hard thing about the list.
01:16The list prioritizes people that are taller.
01:18That was a very 2-7.
01:19They just put the list lower.
01:20Yeah.
01:21Well, then the other guys have to get on their knees.
01:23You going to start making fat jokes now, too?
01:25I don't do that.
01:25Do you know what it is?
01:26That's not my style.
01:27Cheap shots and short height jokes and fat jokes.
01:31Is that what you're going to start doing?
01:32I thought you held yourself more accountable.
01:34I swear I honestly didn't know this is how that worked.
01:36They don't tell the players whether they've made the team or not.
01:38I'm sure there's plenty of players who know.
01:40Like, Jared Versa, I don't think, had any worry about making the team or not.
01:43But if there's fringe guys, especially, like, you're not going to call them and say,
01:49congratulations, and then, like, 10 minutes later have to call them and go, oh, sorry,
01:53Will Levis is on the thing, which I wouldn't want.
01:56Anyway, I'm just pointing an example out.
01:58Will Levis is on there.
02:00We're going to pick up Will Levis.
02:01We're going to drop you.
02:02Thanks.
02:02Bye.
02:04Get your real estate agent off the line.
02:06Cancel the cake.
02:07Cancel the balloons.
02:07See, I would think they would want to be told so them and their agent can work together
02:11and try to figure something out.
02:13Well, I'm sure they want to be told if they're cut, which they are told if they're cut.
02:19And if they make the team.
02:19Then their agent can work something out.
02:21See, it's the opposite of, like, travel sports where, like, you only get called if you make
02:25the team.
02:26It's the opposite.
02:27See, I would also think, on the flip side, that Todd Munkin would think it would be,
02:31or Andrew Barry would think it would be a really cool thing to tell Taylor Greene,
02:35hey, you're a six-round pick.
02:36Nothing was guaranteed.
02:36Guess what?
02:37You're a Cleveland Brown.
02:38It would be a really cool thing.
02:39But when they don't, that means it tells you that there was possibly a possibility that
02:44they weren't going to have him on the team.
02:46So you can't call him and say, you're on the 53, and then say, oh, you're not on the
02:5053.
02:51That's not how that goes.
02:52I'm so confused.
02:54You can't tell a guy.
02:55It's not confusing.
02:55You can't tell a guy that he made the 53?
03:00No.
03:00For the reasons I just stated.
03:02I didn't understand the reasons.
03:03Well, then I can't.
03:04Because you then have to tell him five minutes later he didn't make the 53?
03:06Well, I'm sure you were texting Keith and Owen about some way to zing me after that.
03:09Oh, and I know you've got your hands on my own.
03:11I've never had that.
03:12Yeah, all that.
03:13Am I missing something, Owen?
03:15You can't tell a player he made the team?
03:17No, I understand where Ken is coming from.
03:19I might just disagree with it.
03:20Why?
03:21Because, of course, you can tell a guy he made the team.
03:23Because I just want to disagree with you.
03:24Okay, but you understand the logic behind everything I just said.
03:26Because, yeah, you're right.
03:28If they end up finding a better option out there.
03:31But, I mean, they said how many times that he's a special player and they want to find
03:35ways to get him involved in the game.
03:37And they could look at it and go, like, Luke Floria, he's a special player.
03:41There's just no way we can get him involved in the game plan.
03:44He doesn't play special teams.
03:45I am now more confused than I was two minutes ago when I said I was confused the first time.
03:48I'm sure if I put Shador Sanders in my name, I'm sure you would be not confused.
03:52Why would he think he's on the team?
03:55And then, after they told him that, then they'd have to, what, say they went a different direction?
04:00For you to pay attention to me anymore, I just need to put a Colorado Buffaloes emoji
04:04in my Instagram, and then you'll pay attention to me.
04:07Is there a history of guys that are on the 53-man roster, said they're on it,
04:11and then two minutes later they said, no, we lied.
04:13You're not on it?
04:14I don't understand.
04:15Why can't you tell a guy he made the team?
04:17For the reasons I just said.
04:19I didn't understand the reasons.
04:20You don't want to tell a guy who was possibly on the bubble that he made the team
04:24and then an hour or whatever it is later have to tell him he didn't make the team.
04:29That'd be cruel.
04:30Once you tell somebody they make the team, because you've given them your word,
04:34you cannot take that back.
04:35There was a possibility.
04:36I will say this now for the third time.
04:38What I'm now saying is you've made the team.
04:40We have decided as a team you've made the team.
04:42Congratulations.
04:43We are not taking it back now because you made the team.
04:46But they don't know who's going to come out on waivers.
04:48And by the time waivers have come out, then you're either on that initial 53.
04:53That's why they put initial in there, the initial 53.
04:55It's the first version of the 53.
04:57And we've had this conversation many, many, many, many, many times over
05:01with guys who have made the team.
05:02We did this with Terrell Pryor.
05:03Terrell Pryor made the team, and by Monday he was cut,
05:06and they were trying to bring him back because they were doing other things.
05:08They don't communicate this process to the agents?
05:10Like, hey, you're on this initial 53, but we are still sorting out the roster.
05:14Why do they need to, if they're still conversating with the agents,
05:18why do they need to make some grand call?
05:19You just said it was really cool.
05:21So we have a video of it?
05:22So we can put it on social media?
05:24You want the, oh yeah, they never do that with the Browns.
05:26They do that all the time.
05:27They never put that stuff on their social media.
05:28But this is still something that requires a little bit of tenderness.
05:31The two film crews involved in Berea, there's all sorts of footage that could get out there.
05:34What I'm saying is you would rather have them just maybe get it from legitimate reports
05:40that could be wrong, might not be.
05:43Oh, no.
05:44Colin Rugg has it.
05:45Should I agree with this?
05:47Should I not?
05:48He's got his little obsessions.
05:50And Colin Rugg, who I've only seen a handful of times.
05:53John Root, or who's the root one?
05:54There's another one.
05:55One of your little obsessions.
05:56Well, so wait, I'm genuinely curious.
05:58It's not basketball season.
05:59We'll get this out close soon enough.
06:00I'm genuinely curious.
06:01Please clarify for everybody.
06:03I've clarified.
06:03How is Taylor Greene supposed to find out he made the team?
06:06Same way we all did, apparently.
06:08Which is how?
06:08The initial 53-man roster when it came out.
06:12Okay, which the Browns put together.
06:15Yes.
06:15So the Browns can't just call him and say,
06:18we're putting out the 53, congratulations.
06:21No.
06:21Why not?
06:22Apparently not.
06:23I'm even more confused.
06:24For the third time, Owen, I'm even more confused than when we started.
06:27I don't understand how any of that was confusing whatsoever.
06:30So right before they craft, hold on.
06:32Right before they craft the 53.
06:34And Owen loves to bother me.
06:35We are now going to the printers.
06:37Let's go.
06:38Let's make sure the toner's all taken care of.
06:40Hey, can you call Taylor Greene?
06:42No!
06:42He's going to find out.
06:43He could get traded in the next minute.
06:45He's going to find out.
06:45He might not be on the roster.
06:47Oh no, Colin Rugg has it.
06:49Wait, what do we do?
06:50It says initial 53.
06:51And now Taylor Greene goes to his agent.
06:52Is Colin Rugg a real account?
06:54I don't know.
06:54Okay.
06:55Did the initial 53 come out?
06:56Hold on.
06:57The initial 53 came out.
06:58This is lunacy.
06:59Let me try to explain this.
07:00You're doing a poor job.
07:01This is like five times.
07:02I'm not doing a poor job.
07:03You must just have your head up your ass.
07:05You're making it sound like the Browns who are deciding the 53 also might be lying right
07:11before they go to publish.
07:13This is not hard.
07:13This is not hard to figure out.
07:14Because you're not making any sense.
07:15This is not hard to figure out.
07:16Okay.
07:17I'll try to explain.
07:17This is four times now.
07:18Oh, for four so far.
07:20I think it's number five, actually.
07:21Sometimes you just can't teach them how to ride a bike.
07:23You just can't teach them how to read.
07:25Who puts out the 53?
07:26I can't teach you how to do either.
07:27Certainly couldn't teach you how to swim.
07:28This is not Abbott and Costello.
07:29Who put out the 53?
07:31Who puts it out?
07:31Give me a name.
07:32Give me somebody.
07:32I'm going to explain this to you.
07:33You haven't done it yet.
07:34I'm asking you right now.
07:35Who puts out the 53?
07:36Are you going to let me try to do it for a fourth time?
07:38No.
07:38I'm asking you questions because I think this is how the audience can better understand it.
07:41I'm going to try to explain it to you again.
07:42Who puts out the 53?
07:43Give me a name.
07:44It's not a faceless, bodiless, disembodied voice.
07:46Give me somebody.
07:46I'm not walking into yours.
07:48You're going to follow me.
07:49Because you know this gets batted down so quickly.
07:52No, it doesn't.
07:52Who puts out the 53?
07:54It's not hard.
07:54It's not hard to follow.
07:55It's not hard to follow.
07:57I'm done with Ken.
07:57Who puts out the 53?
07:59It's not hard to follow.
07:59Owen, who puts out the 53?
08:02The PR staff.
08:03Okay.
08:04No, it's not technically.
08:05No.
08:05Okay.
08:05Who does it?
08:06It is given to the PR staff.
08:07Then the PR staff puts it out there.
08:09Who gives it?
08:09Right.
08:10The coaching staff.
08:10He asked who puts it out.
08:12No, no.
08:12The staff makes it.
08:13The general manager and the coaching staff.
08:14There has to be a decision maker.
08:16Keith is just sending me a book.
08:18I'm not reading all that.
08:19There has to be a decision maker.
08:20Who is a decision maker?
08:21Or congratulations.
08:22Whatever.
08:23I believe Todd Munkin.
08:24Well, Andrew Barry.
08:26Just give me a name.
08:27I'm not going to debate.
08:28I couldn't tell you.
08:29Just whoever does it.
08:30Either Todd Munkin or Andrew Barry.
08:31Okay.
08:32Let's just, for the sake of argument, say Todd Munkin has the list.
08:35He is now going to put it on the desk of the social media team.
08:39Can he call Taylor Greene real quick?
08:42Ladies and gentlemen, I implore you.
08:44Can he do it?
08:45Is he allowed?
08:45Ken says no.
08:47Ken says he's not.
08:47What I do love about a debate with Anthony, because we had one off air that was very similar
08:52to this.
08:53It's just last week.
08:54I can yell obscenities to Anthony that I can't yell on here.
08:58Which broke the ice.
09:00It was funny.
09:01Right.
09:01Which was really funny.
09:02Because it was as ludicrous as a debate as we've ever had until today.
09:07Yeah.
09:08Is that once Anthony is in his argument and he has his side, you are not allowed to try
09:13to change his mind.
09:14Ken says he's not allowed to call him.
09:15When does the initial 53 come out?
09:20He doesn't know because he only pays attention to people who tweeted him about Shredor Sanders.
09:25Owen, when did the initial 53 come out?
09:28It came out Sunday afternoon.
09:29And when did the waiver claims come out?
09:32Monday afternoon.
09:34So you can't call a guy and tell him he's on the roster if he's a fringe guy if you
09:39might
09:39pick up a waiver and cut that guy.
09:41So he can't call him and also say, hey, you're on the roster.
09:46Noise is going to come out.
09:47You're on the roster now, but it's not finalized.
09:50You can't do that to the player you've been coaching for the last mini camps, training camp,
09:55rookie mini camp.
09:56You can't do that.
09:57You're saying you can't do it.
09:58Your Honor, I'm finished.
09:59You're saying you can't do that, Kenny.
10:00You right now, look me in the eyes.
10:01You're saying you can't do that.
10:02You cannot communicate to your player what could happen.
10:05You can, but you don't want to have to take your word back, do you?
10:07You're not.
10:07That's the whole point.
10:08That's why you're communicating.
10:09That's the point of communication.
10:10You are making sure that you understand, hey, here are the things, or making the agent
10:14understand, here is the window of things that could happen.
10:17Yeah, but if Taylor Greene goes out there, you can't trust your player.
10:20Well, you can try to trust your player, but you can't trust he's not going to get excited.
10:24Who knows if it's going to be lost in translation.
10:26Taylor Greene goes out there and goes, hello, Cleveland, I'm on the team.
10:30And then the next day they're like, you're not on the team.
10:31And then I've got to deal with a media bleep storm over this.
10:34That's why you talk to him and explain what is happening.
10:39Under the Ken Carman thing, this weird thing that you can't call the player, but he finds
10:44out from Colin Rugg or an aggregator site, but he doesn't know if it's right or wrong.
10:48When does he really get to start getting excited?
10:51I don't know.
10:53Okay.
10:54I don't understand how this was going to be.
10:55This was the craziest 10 minutes in the history of this radio show.
10:58It's longer than 10 minutes.
10:59I can't believe it.
11:01Owen totally understands.
11:03But the thing is, Owen doesn't want to say it because he hates agreeing with me.
11:05Owen is like, I completely understand what you're saying.
11:07We got to be adults about this.
11:08And I'm just getting ripped.
11:10I don't know why.
11:11I don't know why.
11:11I don't understand why.
11:13I hope the next three hours and 40 minutes are a little less confusing than this for you.
11:24No phone calls allowed.
11:25They have blocked the phones coming out of Berea, apparently.
11:28We could take phone calls all day.
11:29I don't care.
11:30Yeah, it's interesting.
11:31Reporters found out.
11:32How'd the reporters find out?
11:33Who told them?
11:35Champions pose.
11:37Wait a minute.
11:38Did the reporters find out about Taylor Greene's agent?
11:40From Taylor Greene's agent?
11:41Jeremy Fowler had the whole thing about Luke Floria.
11:44How did he find out?
11:45No one's allowed to call anybody.
11:46Well, he said Luke Floria's not going to be on it.
11:48And that was after waivers.
11:50So apparently the coaches are leaking out the stories to the reporters.
11:54But Ken says they can't call the actual players.
11:56Okay.
11:57Boy, that builds a really sacred bond between the players.
12:01He's talking about Luke Floria.
12:01I'm talking about everybody.
12:02They didn't plan on holding on to Luke Floria.
12:03I'm talking about in every NFL room, they leaked out to the reporters.
12:06You know I'm right.
12:07They leaked out.
12:08That's how we find out half of this.
12:10Right.
12:10Okay.
12:11Are you done?
12:12I'm sorry you couldn't actually explain what you were talking about.
12:15I had somebody just text me that you are, can I say a brainless hematoma on the air?
12:20Okay.
12:21Let's find out.
12:22Okay.
12:24Here you go.
12:26All right.
12:28You get it out?
12:29Did you?
12:31I don't need to yell other than where I yelled.
12:34I'm done.
12:34I think a lot of this fell apart under examination pretty quickly.
12:39Okay.
12:39Sure thing.
12:41All right.
12:41So coming up at 8 o'clock, Ben Axelrod is going to join us on the show, Front Office Sports.
12:45Also 9 o'clock, Sam Monson is going to join us.
12:47Now, Ben is going to tell us about how the national media might be dreading covering Deshaun Watson.
12:53Also, Sam Monson, how much time are we wasting with Deshaun Watson?
12:57Boy, it's a Deshaun Watson type of day.
12:58But we also have something about Rafi Velasquez coming up at 6.43.
13:02Oh, yeah.
13:03From Keith, just read him on the air.
13:04Read him at Fan 15 coming up at Westlake on Thursday.
13:06I can read it to you there.
13:07I can't read it to you.
13:08All right.
13:08Get a microphone in front of him.
13:107 to 9 p.m.
13:11We'll be doing it at Fan 15 in Westlake coming up this Thursday at Dave & Buster's.
13:16Okay?
13:16Get on over there right now.
13:18All the texts are going to be read.
13:20All the nastiness is going to happen.
13:22Don't go to Dave & Buster's right now.
13:24I literally just got a text from somebody close to Flory who said the Browns were in communication
13:28with him the entire time.
13:29I am doing my very...
13:31Ken, that is an all-time champion's pose.
13:34Congratulations.
13:34Coming straight from somebody close to Luke.
13:36And they didn't want to tell a guy who they might not keep on the team.
13:40Oh, now he's changing the story.
13:41It's only certain guys under certain situations.
13:44They had no plans on keeping Luke Floria.
13:46They had no plans.
13:48What do you want me to say?
13:49I'm not going to rip on Luke Floria.
13:50They had no plans.
13:51So, yeah, we ain't bringing him back.
13:53You might as well find somewhere else to go.
13:55That's all there was.
13:56A little defensive here.
13:57I'm not getting defensive.
13:58I'm just not going to sit here and deal with stupidity.
14:00Don't put it in the paper that I'm defensive.
14:05I mean, I'm sure Myles Garrett is re-energized, by the way.
14:08We don't even have a paper.
14:11It's all online.
14:12No, they print it three times a week, don't they?
14:14Yeah, sure.
14:15Well, don't print it once of the three times in the week that I'm mad.
14:19Or defensive.
