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Margarita Martínez, coordinadora de género de Dejusticia, habla con El Espectador sobre una investigación realizada por el centro de estudios jurídicos en la que revelan cómo las mujeres migrantes, en su mayoría venezolanas, sobrellevan cargas demasiado pesadas de cuidado no remunerado, lo que las encierra en círculos de pobreza, afectaciones psicológicas y pocas oportunidades de garantizar sus derechos.
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00:00Welcome to all our viewer audience.
00:03Today we are with Margarita Martínez, gender coordinator of the legal investigative portal for justice.
00:09Margarita, how are you?
00:10Okay, thank you very much.
00:12It has been a very, very, very turbulent week for migration with the announcements by President Abelardo de las
00:18Preya
00:18to talk about illegal or legal people and precisely a couple of months ago there was an investigation
00:25that put the lens on what is being experienced and debated today.
00:30Margarita Martínez and the justice team conducted an investigation into what it's like to migrate and be a woman
00:36It is a very, very heavy burden for people who cross a border and have to look for new opportunities.
00:43life.
00:43Margarita, tell us more about this research, what it's about, what it discusses, and what those findings were.
00:49Well, thank you very much for the invitation.
00:51The research is called We want to live, migrate and care in freedom.
00:56This was a phrase that one of the migrant women we interviewed told us, and we decided to call it, let's say,
01:03the title of the book.
01:04This book arises from the research we have been developing around the topic of the right to care
01:11in Colombia.
01:12The right to care was recognized by the Constitutional Court in several of its rulings since 2023
01:19and based, let's say, on the funding we received from German cooperation through the MEC program focused on
01:26migration,
01:28We decided to link the issue of the right to care with the issue of migration
01:32and to do fieldwork and research in Bogotá on how much or how women care
01:39migrants
01:40who arrive in the city of Bogotá and settle in the city of Bogotá.
01:43In that sense, we interviewed 26 migrant women, reconstructing their migration trajectories
01:49from the moment they made the decision to emigrate until they crossed the trail or arrived by other means to
01:57country
01:58and then they settled in Bogotá.
02:00What we realized was something we didn't expect to see so clearly.
02:06But we saw it in each of the 26 stories
02:08And migration is completely and closely linked to care
02:14and care is closely linked to migration.
02:17Migration cannot be thought of without care, nor care without migration.
02:22Because?
02:22Because for many of these women, for most, especially those who come from Venezuela
02:29Caregiving was a reason for migrating.
02:33International courts have defined the situation in Venezuela as a complex humanitarian emergency
02:40because there is a lack of food, because there is a lack of electricity, because there is a lack of hospital infrastructure
02:48And that makes it so that women, who have historically cared for and sustained the lives of their families, are left vulnerable.
02:54They find it much more difficult to sustain life when there is no state infrastructure.
02:59that allows them to do so in a dignified manner.
03:02And in that sense, many of the women who migrated to Bogotá
03:05They made the decision to emigrate because they had no way to support their children and extended families.
03:12So caregiving was a reason to emigrate.
03:14Then, when several of them crossed the path
03:17Care is present at all stages of crossing the trail
03:21and women and children face particular situations of vulnerability
03:27just looking for food, looking for food
03:30and looking for ways to survive, let's say, this migratory journey in the best way possible.
03:36They face dangerous situations involving sexual violence, harassment, exploitation, and falling into sexual exploitation networks.
03:43And then, when they arrive in Bogotá, they encounter a panorama
03:47where they do not have pre-existing care networks, they cannot delegate care.
03:51Many of them are professionals, but they cannot validate their degrees.
03:55They are not regulated in Colombia.
03:57And in that sense, their caregiving burdens increase even more,
04:01precisely because of the lack of infrastructure and networks.
04:04So, to conclude, that's the big finding of our research.
04:08Migration cannot be thought of without care, nor care without migration.
04:13And it's curious because when we talk about migration, we sometimes speak incorrectly.
04:18security issues, regularization issues, border issues,
04:23But it hasn't been very common in the corridors of power in Colombia.
04:28Congress, Presidency, Foreign Ministry, talk about this relationship.
04:32And the formula changes a bit, doesn't it, Margarita?
04:35Yes, absolutely. Actually, another of the findings,
04:39and it is one of our main public policy recommendations in research,
04:43The problem is that migration policies in Colombia are not designed from a care-based approach.
04:49What does that mean? It means they don't foresee or see the particular needs.
04:54that migrant women have, who also take care of life.
04:58And care policies in Colombia are not necessarily designed
05:02from a migration perspective that considers the particular situation of migrant women.
05:08So, a very simple example that even the Constitutional Court has shown
05:13In one of its rulings last year, for example,
05:17One of the ways to regularize one's status in Colombia is through asylum.
05:22from the application to a refugee claim.
05:24And in this ruling the Court found that two women who applied for asylum
05:31and that their request was denied, one of the obstacles the women encountered
05:36in order to be able to, let's say, carry out all the administrative procedures
05:40To regularize their status through the shelter, they had care responsibilities.
05:45and they couldn't delegate them, they couldn't leave their people in the care of another person,
05:50of an institution, and in that sense they could not necessarily keep the appointments
05:55or with the times and rhythms, let's say, of the regularization system,
06:00And that led them to lose that opportunity.
06:04That is a very concrete example of how migration policies
06:09They should take care of them, especially because migrant women
06:14They arrive in Bogotá, and that is another of the findings,
06:17to take care of the lives not only of their families and loved ones,
06:20but more generally to sustain the life of the city.
06:23Because we all need care all the time,
06:26Even if we don't see it clearly, we need food.
06:30We need someone to take care of us when we are sick,
06:33We need clothes, we need a clean house,
06:37We need decent conditions to live our daily lives,
06:40and many of those women enter the informal labor markets in the city,
06:46to work as domestic workers for Colombian families,
06:50to work informally as babysitters for the children in their neighborhood,
06:56And in that sense, they contribute to the gross domestic product, let's say,
07:00of our society, doing unpaid care work
07:05or very poorly paid and in extremely precarious conditions.
07:09Let's assign a country to each of these stories.
07:12According to data from Migration Colombia,
07:14Today, living together in Colombia,
07:16There are at least 2.8 million Venezuelans
07:19who developed their lives within Colombian jurisdiction.
07:24Let's take it one step at a time.
07:25Of those 2.8 million people,
07:27More than 500,000 or 600,000 people are in an irregular situation.
07:33and half of them, or more than half,
07:37These are women who are precisely in this condition,
07:41carrying a weight that is too heavy, if you will.
07:44What does this mean about nationalities?
07:46Of course, Venezuela is one of the main countries where the diaspora arrived,
07:51But what other nationalities, countries, or factors come into play in this discussion?
07:55One of the biggest challenges we encountered in the research
07:59It was precisely seeing those experiences of non-Venezuelan migrant women.
08:05In the research, although the majority of women interviewed
08:09They were Venezuelan,
08:11Yes, we found experiences from women in Haiti,
08:13of women from Bolivia,
08:15even a male caregiver who is from Senegal.
08:22And in that sense we realized
08:24that one of the major gaps in migration policy
08:27It is precisely because those other nationalities are not considered.
08:30So there is, I mean,
08:32Yes, for Venezuelans, regularization is already an obstacle.
08:37because during Duque's government,
08:39when there was another large wave of migration from Venezuela to Colombia,
08:44A program was created to regularize them.
08:47That program covered Venezuelan people
08:51that had entered the country up to 2021.
08:54After that point, there are no easy paths to regularization.
08:58for Venezuelan migrants.
09:00So, if that's already the case for Venezuelan migrants,
09:02who are the majority,
09:03It's difficult to get regularized,
09:05Well, for migrants of other nationalities
09:08It's even more complex.
09:10And I remember this story very well, and it's in the book.
09:14Let's say, it goes through several of the chapters
09:16of a Haitian woman
09:18who left Haiti due to problems of political violence
09:22who arrived in Venezuela,
09:24But then he decided to leave Venezuela
09:26precisely because of the humanitarian crisis it was experiencing
09:30and because she was pregnant
09:31and had no way to support her children,
09:33how to feed them,
09:34how to give them health.
09:35She arrives in Colombia
09:37And she has two jobs.
09:40that consume his entire week,
09:42including the weekend.
09:44Even within their jobs
09:45He works several shifts to earn more money.
09:48She is alone.
09:49She doesn't have a partner,
09:51She has no support networks here
09:53and has three children.
09:55And she applied for asylum,
09:58but the asylum application
10:00It doesn't have a term, let's say,
10:02where it's not like it will come out in a year,
10:04It's not like it's coming out in six months,
10:05There is no term.
10:06The Colombian state can take its time
10:09to decide
10:10And in the meantime,
10:12because she cannot access
10:13to other types of formal employment
10:15because it doesn't have, let's say, the shelter.
10:18And that's one example.
10:19as well as the obstacles
10:21which other nationalities find
10:24when it comes to regularization
10:27and that has a profound impact in particular
10:29about women who are caregivers.
10:31In this case, it's a woman.
10:33who can't stop working,
10:34but also has to work
10:36in extremely precarious jobs.
10:39She is a cook in different restaurants
10:41and that also arrives at his house
10:43and keeps working,
10:44by taking care of his family
10:46and attending to the needs of their children.
10:48So they are women
10:49who never stop working,
10:51They are women with a worn-out state,
10:53Let's say, emotional,
10:54but also very tall physically
10:56who also have to deal with
10:58with bureaucratic procedures
10:59associated with regularization
11:01which are not easy
11:02for those who care
11:04and they work all the time.
11:06Let's take stock then.
11:08We're talking about women
11:09who work more,
11:11They take better care,
11:12They need to dedicate more of their time
11:14to care,
11:16to the support
11:17and to the household economy,
11:18They have to go through more challenges
11:20and after all
11:21They have the irregularity
11:23in their resume.
11:25What does this imply?
11:27for a situation
11:28And what about a migration scenario in Colombia?
11:30We're talking about women
11:31And we've already said it,
11:32poor,
11:33with a heavy workload,
11:35with unpaid care
11:36and that according to DANE figures
11:38They dedicate just over half
11:41of the time they are awake
11:43to take care and to work.
11:45How does this affect a population?
11:47to a person,
11:48to a family,
11:49especially to a country
11:50who is taking them in?
11:51Yes, it's an urgent matter.
11:55Migration is a right
11:57recognized by international law,
12:00through human rights frameworks
12:02and in this case migration,
12:04I mean,
12:05migration due to caregiving issues,
12:07because it should have
12:08special protection
12:10because everyone
12:11We need care all the time
12:13and to some extent
12:15We rely on that system
12:18migration
12:19to provide care
12:21to our own societies
12:22and immigration status
12:25It is an administrative procedure
12:28And here, let's say, part
12:31of our effort
12:32in the research
12:32it's about putting a human face on it
12:35to migrant women
12:36because there's a lot of talk.
12:38that the migrants
12:39They are criminals.
12:40that the migrants
12:41They are illegal.
12:42but actually
12:44Well, this is about
12:45of women
12:46who take care of you all the time,
12:47who work all the time
12:50and that they are fighting
12:52for having a dignified life
12:53where they can develop
12:55their life projects
12:56autonomously
12:58and in that sense
12:59Yeah,
12:59regularization
13:01It is an administrative procedure,
13:03We're not talking here.
13:04of legality or illegality,
13:05It is an administrative procedure
13:06and according to international law
13:09states must create
13:12and have mechanisms available
13:14to regularize,
13:15In Colombia there are three mechanisms
13:17available for regularization
13:19And I'm talking about this
13:21to connect with the question
13:22What did you do to me?
13:24one of the mechanisms
13:25It's applying for a visa,
13:26that one would initially say
13:28Well, that's easy.
13:29It's going to an embassy,
13:31It's having a passport,
13:32but for the case
13:33of Venezuelan migrants
13:34The passport is not a given.
13:36given,
13:37the passport,
13:38many Venezuelans
13:39They don't have a passport.
13:41precisely because of the obstacles
13:43institutional
13:44that they have in their own country
13:45to acquire
13:46this type of document,
13:48So the first requirement
13:49for the visa
13:50It's already an obstacle
13:51and above all
13:52if they are migrant women
13:53who also take care
13:54all the time
13:55and that in general
13:57many of them
13:57They left their country
13:59almost
13:59without much planning
14:02and also
14:03to apply for a visa
14:04you have to pay
14:06let's say several
14:07For example
14:08the case study
14:09It costs between $40 and $50
14:11Americans
14:12and the cost of the visa
14:14if they test it on you
14:15It costs between $140 and $270
14:17Americans
14:18if you have to choose
14:20between feeding your children
14:21every day
14:22with precarious work
14:23What are you doing in Colombia?
14:24and pay $270
14:27so that they give you the visa
14:29Well, I think that
14:30Many of us would choose
14:32continue feeding
14:33to our children
14:33because they can't stay
14:34a day without eating
14:36So let's say that there
14:37Several are already visible
14:38of the obstacles
14:39and it seems that
14:41For example
14:41for this procedure
14:43regularization
14:44to apply for the visa
14:45Resources are needed
14:47and a little
14:49not to facilitate
14:51to migrant women
14:52because it makes
14:53the regularization process
14:54becomes
14:55a procedure
14:56only accessible
14:56for people
14:57that have many resources
14:59not only monetary
15:00but of time
15:00and of time
15:02to complete the procedures
15:04institutional
15:05the second
15:06the second way
15:07regularization
15:08It is the refuge
15:08that we have already talked about
15:09a little bit of him
15:10For example
15:10for the case
15:11of the Haitian woman
15:12and there
15:13the main obstacle
15:15that we saw
15:15For example
15:16for the case
15:17of the Haitian woman
15:18the thing is
15:18the state
15:19It doesn't have a time
15:20minimum or maximum
15:22to define
15:23this request
15:24then leave
15:24to women
15:25in this case
15:26in limbo
15:27where then
15:28They have to continue
15:29solving everyday life
15:30while they approve them
15:31the shelter
15:32but under conditions
15:33extremely precarious
15:34and the third mechanism
15:36is directed
15:37to the Venezuelan population
15:38and it's the program
15:39the special permit
15:40of permanence
15:41of the PEP tutor
15:42which is directed
15:44to whom are
15:45tutors
15:46or representatives
15:47legal
15:47of children
15:48girls
15:48and teenagers
15:49that are immersed
15:50in the system
15:51Colombian education
15:52or that are
15:53in a program
15:54restoration
15:55rights
15:55in Colombia
15:56so
15:57if you have a child
15:59or daughter
16:00within these conditions
16:01You can apply
16:03to the PEP tutor
16:03if you don't have
16:05a son or daughter
16:06within these conditions
16:07You cannot apply
16:08to mechanisms
16:08regularization
16:09you can apply
16:11to the visa
16:11or to the shelter
16:12but there is no
16:13another mechanism
16:14regularization
16:16and migration
16:18Venezuelan
16:18to Colombia
16:19has not stopped
16:21They keep arriving
16:22many migrants
16:23and they will continue
16:24many migrants arriving
16:25from Venezuela
16:26and of other nationalities
16:27above all
16:28in this world
16:28climate crisis
16:30and we see it
16:31with the earthquake
16:33many times
16:34the decision
16:34to emigrate
16:35silk
16:35in a way
16:36let's say abrupt
16:38due to the loss
16:39of all media
16:40life
16:41that you had
16:42so
16:43in that sense
16:44It's urgent.
16:45humanely
16:45It's urgent.
16:47generate mechanisms
16:48regularization
16:49that they take into account
16:50vulnerabilities
16:52private individuals
16:52Women's
16:54You just spoke
16:55of something
16:55which has been
16:56the thorny issue
16:57of the week
16:58and perhaps
16:59a few months
17:00this way
17:00the presidential campaign
17:02regardless
17:03that he won
17:04the president
17:04elected today
17:05Abelard
17:05Las Perellas
17:06never had
17:07a single forum
17:08a single discussion
17:09on migration
17:10What were we going to do?
17:11with all people
17:12not only from Venezuela
17:13but from Africa
17:14Asia
17:15and other countries
17:16from Latin America
17:16who have arrived
17:17to the country
17:18and this week
17:18we found out
17:19that politics
17:21that will be issued
17:23from the Casa de Nariño
17:24It's going to be a
17:25security
17:26one thinks a lot
17:28and the experts
17:29the International Organization
17:30of Migration
17:30UNHCR
17:31UNICEF
17:32they say that
17:33migration
17:33should be
17:34an approach
17:34rights
17:35not an approach
17:36security
17:37or to treat it
17:38as a crime
17:38and you
17:39He speaks it very well
17:39more accounts
17:40or less accounts
17:41Yes, I am Venezuelan
17:43and I want to choose
17:44for that visa
17:45I would have to allocate
17:46two million
17:46of pesos
17:48more or less
17:48of the food
17:50that I have to offer you
17:51to my children
17:51or adults
17:52under my charge
17:53for a role
17:54that I don't know
17:55when can it arrive
17:56Let's put it
17:57more numbers
17:57to this
17:58we know that
17:59migration
18:00or the jobs
18:01work tasks
18:02represent almost
18:03one in five
18:05parts of GDP
18:05And that's not it either.
18:06It's being seen
18:07What does it represent?
18:08the care
18:09of these women
18:09Venezuelans
18:10which is said today
18:11that are irregular
18:12illegal
18:13in terms
18:14from the Casa de Nariño
18:14but also
18:15They have a contribution
18:16economic
18:17on the scaffolding
18:17social and economic
18:19from Colombia?
18:20Yes, well
18:21the figure
18:23that the jobs
18:24care
18:24unpaid
18:25in Colombia
18:26represent
18:27at least
18:2720%
18:28of GDP
18:29let's say
18:30That's already a figure.
18:31that occurred
18:33some time ago
18:33and it keeps getting updated
18:35and it has remained
18:36that way
18:36we don't know
18:37pitifully
18:38how much of that
18:39contribute
18:40migrant women
18:41because precisely
18:42missing
18:43high production
18:44data
18:45that allows us
18:46approach
18:46to that reality
18:47in terms of figures
18:48and to quantify
18:50and a little
18:51the investigation
18:52that we propose
18:54It was an entrance
18:55more qualitative
18:56more to follow
18:57life stories
18:58specific
18:59let's say
18:59our goal
19:00It wasn't about proposing
19:01a figure
19:02to give it
19:04a number
19:04to this work
19:06but we did want to
19:07that investigation
19:08that focuses
19:09in the stories
19:10that gives it a face
19:11to migration
19:12and to the care
19:12in Colombia
19:13out like that
19:14mouth openers
19:15that he invited
19:16to different institutions
19:19to put numbers to it
19:21to work
19:21care
19:22unpaid
19:23what do they do
19:23migrant women
19:24the DANE
19:25has advanced
19:26a lot in that
19:26in the survey
19:27national use
19:28weather
19:29from last year
19:30of 2025
19:31determined
19:31For example
19:32that women
19:33migrants
19:33dedicate at least
19:35nine hours
19:36daily
19:36to work
19:37care
19:38unpaid
19:39which would
19:40six more hours
19:41that men
19:42migrants
19:42and that would be
19:44more or less
19:44three hours
19:45two more hours
19:46that women
19:46Colombians
19:47then there
19:48We already have
19:48as an illustration
19:50that women
19:50migrants
19:51in Colombia
19:52Yes, they take better care.
19:53that women
19:54Colombians
19:54And this is not about
19:55of a competition
19:56who they take care of more
19:57or who doesn't care anymore
19:58but
19:59It's a panorama
20:01that inserts the country
20:03in another scenario
20:04much more global
20:05What are chains?
20:06and the plots
20:07migration
20:07and care
20:08worldwide
20:09This is not
20:10Exclusive only
20:11from Colombia
20:12worldwide
20:13women
20:14and the people
20:15more vulnerable
20:16They migrate to other countries
20:18to take care
20:18and the reason
20:20migration
20:21It is care
20:22and this
20:23Like I said
20:24it will continue
20:25increasing
20:26because we are
20:27in a world
20:27where we live
20:29the climate disaster
20:30and we experience phenomena
20:31extreme weather
20:32then migrations
20:33climate
20:34they are going to increase
20:35increasingly
20:36So it's a matter
20:37urgent
20:38It's a matter
20:39human rights
20:40but also
20:41It's a matter
20:41of what type
20:43of development model
20:44we bet
20:45we bet
20:46to a development model
20:47that puts
20:48in the center
20:49of all its policies
20:51provide for all
20:52and all
20:52of conditions
20:53so that we may hold
20:54our life
20:55daily
20:55in decent conditions
20:56I think that's it.
20:58That's what we should do
20:59bet on it
20:59because again
21:01sometimes we see
21:02the care
21:03as a topic
21:03absolutely far away
21:05of our daily lives
21:06but actually
21:06everyone
21:07to be sitting here
21:09We need care
21:10We need food
21:11We need water
21:13We need conditions
21:14and a large part
21:15of that work
21:16invisible
21:17They do it
21:17migrant women
21:19What invites
21:21Do this research?
21:22It's a book
21:23It's an investigation
21:24academic
21:24with all rigor
21:25technical
21:26methodological
21:27but that invites
21:28to society
21:29to Colombia
21:30above all
21:30to people
21:31many of the stories
21:33and the messages
21:34that have been received
21:34this week
21:35is that illegality
21:37of a human being
21:37It's at stake
21:38or under debate
21:39but when it is put
21:40face to these stories
21:41We're talking
21:42of 25 women
21:44who work
21:45from sunrise to sunset
21:46from shadow to shadow
21:47and they haven't been
21:49enough
21:49income
21:50the opportunities
21:51and migration windows
21:52to regularize
21:53but still
21:54They keep giving it to him
21:55They continue working
21:56for his family
21:57and because of the economy
21:58from Colombia
21:59What invites
21:59Why do this research?
22:01Well
22:02He makes many invitations
22:03one of the main
22:04It's an invitation
22:06to public policy
22:07and to the need
22:09to create
22:10mechanisms
22:11regulation
22:12that they take into account
22:13these chains
22:14and these plots
22:15let's say
22:15or frameworks
22:17care
22:17that support
22:18Life in Colombia
22:19every day
22:21without regularization
22:23It's very difficult.
22:24change the conditions
22:25of these women
22:26It's almost impossible.
22:29because without regularization
22:31They do not have access
22:32to fundamental rights
22:34They do not have access
22:35to opportunities
22:36and they will continue
22:38let's say
22:38trapped
22:39in these plots
22:40of poverty
22:41and precarious
22:42then regularization
22:43It is our calling
22:44one of the so-called
22:45most urgent
22:46from the investigation
22:47in terms
22:47public policy
22:49on the other hand
22:50need
22:51that women
22:52take less care
22:53the right to care
22:55puts in the center
22:58to the State
22:58as guarantor
23:00of care
23:01in Colombia
23:02in the country
23:02What does that mean?
23:04that the load
23:05disproportionate
23:06that women
23:07we have assumed
23:08caring for others
23:10for centuries
23:11It has to be reduced
23:13and the State
23:13has to take
23:14a more active role
23:15in providing
23:16the conditions
23:17so that women
23:18take less care
23:19and the care
23:19redistribute
23:21in that sense
23:22the infrastructures
23:23care
23:24like apples
23:26of care
23:26and other programs
23:28let's say state-run
23:29They are an advance
23:30but it is needed
23:31let's say
23:32to give it a focus
23:34migration
23:34to this
23:35For example
23:35many women
23:36migrants
23:37attend
23:37to the apples
23:38of care
23:39and delegate
23:40to some extent
23:40time
23:41care
23:42and in that
23:43let's say
23:44It's progress
23:44but without regularization
23:46They cannot access
23:47to many other programs
23:49of the apples
23:50care
23:50then regularization
23:52and infrastructure
23:53care
23:53And I believe that
23:55finally
23:55the book
23:56and the way
23:57as it is written
23:58which is a way
24:00which he follows very closely
24:01the stories
24:02and everyday life
24:03of the same women
24:04It's an invitation
24:05for everyone
24:06and all the citizens
24:07in general
24:07approach these stories
24:11to put on hold
24:13a bit
24:13all the ideas
24:14preconceived
24:15that we have
24:15migration
24:16and that have circulated
24:18let's say
24:18in the public world
24:20for a long time
24:20that associates migrants
24:22with criminals
24:23that associates migrants
24:24with illegal people
24:25I think approaching
24:27to those stories
24:28It shows us
24:28first
24:29who are human beings
24:30that come
24:31of contexts
24:32very difficult
24:33and that perhaps
24:34we can exercise
24:36empathy
24:36and say I
24:37what I would have done
24:38if I had been
24:38in that place
24:39maybe it would be
24:40in the same boat
24:42and also
24:44delete that word
24:45or try
24:46don't use that word
24:47illegal
24:48because actually
24:49what they show us
24:50It is also that
24:51regularization
24:52It's a procedure
24:53administrative
24:54It's a procedure
24:56administrative
24:56no one is committing
24:57no crime
24:58and migrate
24:59It is a right
25:00human
25:00recognized
25:01and in general
25:03I am sure
25:04that everyone
25:05in our families
25:06or in our
25:06close circles
25:07We have stories
25:08migration
25:09because human beings
25:10have migrated
25:11throughout
25:12its history
25:13on this planet
25:14just like
25:15human beings
25:16have taken care
25:17throughout
25:18its history
25:19on this planet
25:19So there are two.
25:20two conditions
25:22that have
25:23characterized
25:25to our species
25:26migrate and care
25:28and we must
25:29do it
25:29under conditions
25:29worthy
25:30It's a great reflection
25:31and always
25:32that migration
25:33be a topic
25:34rights
25:35We're talking
25:36that migration
25:37It's not just one issue
25:38isolated
25:39in an office
25:40within power
25:41and the decisions
25:42public
25:42but
25:43as you explain
25:44Daisy
25:44It has to do with gender
25:45It has to do with economics
25:47It has to do with care
25:48and even with society
25:49and housing
25:50because from
25:51of those women
25:52Venezuelans
25:53or migrants
25:54caregivers
25:54it is held
25:56the support
25:58of society
25:59and of the families
26:00This was Margarita Martínez
26:02gender coordinator
26:04of Justice
26:04the investigative portal
26:06and academic legal
26:07and we invite you
26:08so that they keep watching us
26:09Side by Side
26:10Impact Women
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26:12thank you so much
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