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06:09Well, I mean, once again, you know, this is not a war that was started by Europeans.
06:13We will be ready to take our part, really, to lead to freedom of navigation
06:18and to diplomacy to handle this nuclear issue.
06:21So the frozen Russian assets, most of them are held, as we know, in EuroClear, in Belgium.
06:27France came to the position after a while that we should be using them to pay for Ukraine.
06:32It shouldn't be up to European taxpayers. Is that still your position?
06:35We asked the Commission to look, especially technically, on what we could do with them
06:39because this is where, you know, both technically and legally, we could not find unanimity and consensus.
06:46And it is clear that these assets will remain where they are
06:50as long as there's still the Russian war of aggression against Ukraine ongoing
06:52and Russia refuses to pay reparations.
06:55So we're open to having, you know, the debate on what to do next with these assets.
07:00Ceuta is another issue because migration, once again, being instrumentalized,
07:04is something that's been happening for the last few years, but again, has been escalating.
07:08Do you think that Spain was given the right amount of solidarity by the European Union,
07:12by the Commission and by member states?
07:14Well, we have been in support of Spain.
07:15Yeah.
07:16And I think the Spanish authorities have clearly taken the measures to be able to respond to this situation,
07:23despite the emergency and the dramatic humanitarian nature of this crisis.
07:30Look, I'm absolutely convinced that the best way to deal with these extraordinary complex issues of immigration
07:36is to do it through European cooperation.
07:38But do you think, though, that Spain was given a hard time unnecessarily?
07:43Within moments of the whole thing happening, barely, you know, Italy had suspended unilaterally Spain from Schengen.
07:50As I said, this is not the approach that was taken by France.
07:53Yeah, indeed.
07:53Do you think it was a bit out of bounds?
07:56Well, what I can tell you is that France has shown solidarity with Spain,
08:00and that I think Spain has been effective in answering this crisis.
08:04You have a big election next year.
08:06And, you know, for the past two or three election cycles, we've been saying this,
08:09but this even is even more pivotal, let's say.
08:13First of all, are you concerned about interference in the election?
08:17You know, France has been a major target for foreign disinformation and interference.
08:21We've seen episodes, remember, when President Macron was attacked on a video when he was going on the train to
08:28Ukraine.
08:29The rule should be very clear.
08:30What's illegal in the real world should be illegal in the virtual world.
08:34And this is the criteria that presides in these instruments.
08:38Marine Le Pen goes from strength to strength, it appears,
08:42despite the fact that, you know, she has a conviction for misuse of funds,
08:46which is something you would imagine voters would be something that would put them off.
08:50What have you guys done wrong?
08:53You know, I think you see the rise of the far right and populist everywhere in Europe.
08:58And we should take this with a lot of humility.
09:00And our first responsibility, first, is to continue to deliver on results.
09:05All the issues that we're discussing here today, from migration and security,
09:09from competitiveness, prosperity,
09:11from defending the security of Europeans against foreign threats,
09:16we have a lot to continue to do and to continue to deliver and function.
09:20And then I will tell you something.
09:22You know, this will be, as every election, a tough election.
09:28It's still a long way to go.
09:30And I never trust the polls, because when I personally started supporting Emmanuel Macron in 2016,
09:37he was far, far behind in the polls.
09:39He was a newcomer then.
09:40Absolutely.
09:42But I know something for sure.
09:44The French are deeply pro-European.
09:46The French are proud of the role that their country is playing on the European stage.
09:51And Marine Le Pen, for a long time, has been the candidate of Brexit.
09:55She's been the candidate of leaving the Euro.
09:57It's still far.
09:59But I'm quite confident that the French, like they've done so many, many times, will refuse extremism.
10:07I am saying this with a lot of humility, because I think a campaign, you know, you need to campaign.
10:12You need to go meet the French.
10:14You need to listen to voters.
10:16You need to respond, propose a platform.
10:18We need to unify around a candidate, because right now we have a lot of talents in the centre,
10:24but we have a fragmented political offer.
10:26So I think by the end of the year, we will have one candidate that can rally the centre and
10:31the centre-right.
10:31And then we will make a case.
10:33Once again, France has shown repeatedly, the French people have shown repeatedly,
10:37that they have said no to extremism, Euroscepticism and populism.
10:41At the same time, they're getting stronger.
10:44And they did ever so well at the European Parliament elections.
10:46I think, you know, you have a broader sense of maybe loss of control in globalization.
10:53You have a world that's changing very rapidly, where a lot of the certainties that we had in the 90s
10:58and the 2000s are crumbling.
11:00You know, trade is being weaponized as a tool of pressure.
11:03You see the rise of China and the subsidized overcapacities that are coming to our markets are destabilizing our industries.
11:13You see our traditional alliances that are being questioned and a war of Russian aggression on our continent.
11:20And so when you have all this transformation, uncertainties, and a lot of the pillars on which we had built
11:27our systems,
11:28our European Union, our transatlantic alliance that are being questioned,
11:32Yes, I think, you know, these periods of transition paved the way very often for radical answers.
11:38I don't think they're the right answer.
11:39I don't think that in a world where you have the pressure from China, from the U.S., the threat
11:44coming from Russia,
11:45we would be stronger going it alone.
11:47I don't think we'd be stronger looking inwards.
11:49Benjamin Haddad, EU affairs minister for France.
11:52Thank you very much for joining us on Euronews.
11:55Thank you.
11:55Thank you.
11:56Thank you.
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