00:00We give Jason Tatum such a pass, like any other super, super, super star
00:06where winning is not the most important thing gets rightfully destroyed.
00:10And this is about his comfort, not the success of the team.
00:14It is so selfish.
00:16So tie around.
00:17So you think what?
00:18It's tie around because I would like a shot off of that.
00:20We give Jason Tatum a pass.
00:22Yes.
00:23We blame Jalen Brown.
00:26Where have I been living for the last five, seven, eight years?
00:30Jason Tatum gets absolutely destroyed around here.
00:34The fact that we – who gives him a pass other than me?
00:39Well, I think what this is –
00:39The vast majority of Celtics fans.
00:41Stop it.
00:41Curtis, you're saying essentially that Brad Stevens –
00:44Okay, let's focus on this.
00:45Is this making – is what they did the best interest for the basketball team?
00:50No, you're saying they did it for Jason Tatum.
00:52Of course.
00:52Because they got rid of Jalen Brown.
00:53Because I have a functioning mind.
00:55Yeah.
00:55I mean, of course, everything he just said was like he was programmed to do everything Jalen Brown didn't.
01:00Well, he's not a superstar.
01:01He's not lying, though.
01:03Like, I don't get this.
01:04Everything he said.
01:05Paul George is an old man who hasn't been good in the NBA in a long time.
01:10And Jason Tatum wanted him over Jalen Brown.
01:12What does that tell you?
01:13No, no, no.
01:14Look, how many times do you got to go down this road?
01:16No, I'm asking you.
01:17Brad Stevens made the decision to trade Jalen Brown.
01:21Greg, do you believe that?
01:22Is Jason Tatum –
01:24Is Brad Stevens – I think that Bill Chisholm said you got to do something.
01:28You got to figure the money out some way.
01:29I do believe that.
01:30But do you think that it's a coincidence that a guy that's friendly with Jason Tatum comes in and says
01:34all the right things and is playing his caddy?
01:37Absolutely not.
01:37Of course not.
01:38I think he was the perfect guy, and Brad was like, this will be great, and he's going to come
01:42in here.
01:43Jason Tatum said, let's do this.
01:45Paul George will defer to Jason Tatum, and everything will be fine.
01:49Which he should.
01:50Which he should.
01:51You don't think Paul George should defer to Jason Tatum?
01:54You don't think Paul George should come in and go – and not that they probably – yeah, they probably
01:59tell him this, but you don't think Paul George knows like, yo, this is Jason Tatum's team.
02:03No, but I think Paul – 100%, but I think Paul George also has seen the narrative surrounding the Jays
02:08in the last year, especially since he's been with the Celtics, and I think he was subtweeting Jalen Brown the
02:13entire answer there.
02:14That's the issue I have with it, and I don't think that – I don't think Brad Stevens necessarily would
02:18have done this deal if it wasn't for Jason Tatum wanting Jalen Brown out of town.
02:22Of course not.
02:23I think Jason Tatum was pissed last season when Jalen Brown started, you know, Instagramming or tweeting or streaming the
02:34results of the – how better the team was without Jason Tatum.
02:39Like, I think that pissed him off.
02:41Right.
02:41And so I think he's –
02:42But they've been pissed forever, though.
02:44Like, that's the thing.
02:45Like, I'm – they have been pissed forever.
02:47Jalen Brown was pissed the very next year when they drafted Jason Tatum.
02:52Like, basically the same guy, same position to basically replace you.
02:57And Jalen Brown has been pissed his whole career here.
02:59Wiggy, how do you feel about this 978 text on the Subaru of New England text line?
03:04Jason Tatum is the least accountable superstar in Boston by far.
03:12What do you mean least accountable?
03:14Meaning he doesn't show up and play in game seven when they really need him.
03:18He missed one game seven and he had the injury.
03:21I was elimination – I mean, they got eliminated from the playoffs.
03:25You know what?
03:26Do you know who was there?
03:26Your alpha dog.
03:28How'd the team do – everybody tells me Jalen Brown, they traded the wrong player.
03:33So why didn't your alpha dog –
03:34Of course he says that.
03:35No, but why didn't they –
03:36She might be right.
03:37But why didn't the text or anybody else, why didn't the alpha dog say, hey, Jalen Brown had –
03:41If Jalen Brown got hurt in game seven and the Celtics lost, what do you think we'd be talking about
03:49the next day?
03:52Tell me.
03:52We'd be talking about how come Jason Tatum can't put the team on his back and go out there and
03:57win a game seven.
03:58Jalen Brown's not there.
03:59He's supposed to be the better player.
04:01Yada, yada, yada, this, yada, yada, that.
04:03He had an opportunity to do it.
04:05But yet, the only thing that we're talking about, and Curtis says we give him a pass, we're talking about
04:09the fact that Jason Tatum didn't play in game seven.
04:13And Jalen Brown was healthy.
04:15So he's the alpha in everybody's mind who says, oh, they traded the wrong guy.
04:20Well, the guy that they traded had multiple opportunities to be able to win critical games without Jason Tatum there.
04:29All right, so then we'll see if Jason Tatum can do it without Jalen Brown this season.
04:33I'm not saying that –
04:34That's what it comes down to, though.
04:36I think that's why me personally –
04:39But how do you defend that?
04:39What do you mean, how do I defend that?
04:40How do you defend the fact that when everybody goes, oh, Tatum soft, he didn't play in game seven, how
04:45do you defend your guy, Jalen Brown, not stepping up?
04:47He did – like, he stepped up all season long.
04:50Yes, they lost that game.
04:51He couldn't do that game.
04:52Okay, sorry, it falls on Jalen Brown, I guess, in that instance.
04:55If they had played together, they would have won.
04:57No, you're asking for my –
04:58That's kind of sarcasm right there, the way you're saying it.
05:01It's not sarcasm.
05:02Yeah, it is.
05:02It's not.
05:03Because if Jason Tatum –
05:04Jason Tatum didn't play because he did not want anything good to happen for this team moving forward, in my
05:09opinion.
05:10Anything good?
05:11Yes.
05:11So why'd he come back?
05:13Because Jalen's gone.
05:14Yeah.
05:14No, no, no.
05:15I'm saying at the end of the season, off the injury.
05:17Because he wanted to show that he could come back quicker than anybody else.
05:20He had a documentary that he did.
05:21It was all about him.
05:22So let me get this is the world I live in, right?
05:25Yes, yes, it is.
05:26So let me get this.
05:27Because he comes back to show the documentary, helps his team get up 3-1.
05:31Excellent documentary, by the way.
05:33Helps the team get up 3-1.
05:35Then gets to game seven and goes, you know what?
05:39I don't want this to happen.
05:40I'm going to sit out game seven so we can lose.
05:42Because I don't want to see nothing good.
05:44That just sounds moronic.
05:45It doesn't really.
05:46It does.
05:47It kind of played out exactly how we wanted it to do.
05:49Potato, tomato.
05:49Because what are we doing right now?
05:52If you want to talk about what we're doing right now, I will as well.
05:54You're sitting here saying that Jalen Brown couldn't get it done.
05:57He couldn't.
05:58Okay.
05:58That's facts.
05:59And that is that place.
06:00Courtney says that's what Jason Tatum wanted.
06:02Exactly.
06:03But once facts, what I'm saying is facts, what you're giving me is your opinion.
06:07Okay.
06:08Those are two different things.
06:10I think we're getting your opinion a little bit mixed in there as well.
06:12Jalen Brown.
06:13Did you see the starting five in game seven?
06:15But Zula didn't think they could win.
06:16Well, there's two sides to every coin.
06:18There is Jalen Brown.
06:19Can I ask a question?
06:20Is that the wrong phrase?
06:22No, it's a great phrase.
06:24Two sides to every coin.
06:24Because I always wonder when we play it, I'm like, did I screw that up?
06:27No, you nailed it.
06:28It's just a great phrase.
06:29There are two sides.
06:29I also have like, we have bigger fish to fry.
06:32You nailed that one, but it's fun.
06:33Okay.
06:33Sorry.
06:34I'm sorry.
06:34Do you know what the two sides are?
06:37Heads and tails.
06:38Yeah.
06:38Nailed it.
06:39Yeah.
06:39Crushed it.
06:40Here you go.
06:40Don't post this, Mitch.
06:42And you're right.
06:43It's all going to now depend on what Jason Tatum does with this team in the postseason.
06:50But all I'm saying for all the Jalen Brown defenders who have said they traded the wrong
06:54guy, he had an opportunity to close out game seven this year in the playoffs and didn't.
07:00Are you watching the Subaru of New England text line?
07:04No.
07:04It's a 401 texter from Rhode Island, where we'll be in a couple weeks for the Audrain Motor
07:11Week.
07:12Says, JT bagged out of game seven as an FU prove it to JB Wiggy.
07:19And you'll find that out this season.
07:20That's what that texter says.
07:22So why didn't he prove it in game seven?
07:24He wanted Jalen to prove it.
07:26That's my point.
07:27Why didn't Jalen prove it in game seven?
07:28Because I guess he couldn't.
07:29So that's what you're saying.
07:30And that's what and that's what Courtney's saying.
07:32But what I'm also saying is that if it was the other way around, we would be criticizing
07:37the fact that Jason Tatum wasn't able to do it.
07:40Yeah, right.
07:41People have been so on Jalen Brown's ass since the moment you and I are never going to see
07:48eye to eye on this, honestly.
07:49And I love you, Wiggy.
07:50I feel like you and I watching the Celtics team for the last couple of seasons, we're watching
07:55two different teams.
07:56Like in the fan reaction, the national reaction to the way in which Jason Tatum is treated
08:02and Jalen Brown are treated in this city.
08:04We're so vastly different.
08:06So let me ask you this question.
08:06I feel like I have a blind spot for Brady.
08:08Shyam has one for Drake May.
08:10Courtney has one for Taylor Swift.
08:12I have one.
08:12I have one for Chef Boyardee.
08:14I was going to get to a freaking...
08:17So Courtney, let me ask you this simple question.
08:19And I want you to be honest.
08:21And I'll know if you're being honest by the way you're answering this.
08:26If Jason Tatum played in Game 7 and Jalen Brown didn't, would we be talking about the
08:35fact that Jason Tatum wasn't able to get the job done or the fact that Jalen Brown tapped
08:40out of Game 7?
08:41Probably that Jason Tatum couldn't get the job done.
08:43Okay.
08:43So then they are not treated equal.
08:45Because all we talked about in that Game 7 was the fact that Jason Tatum did not play.
08:51The difference here is that Jason Tatum is made out to be the number one and Jalen Brown
08:57is not.
08:58No, no.
08:58But that was the conversation that...
09:00The conversation was...
09:01But you have to take that into account when you say...
09:03No, I don't.
09:03Because it's fact.
09:04Yes, you do.
09:05Courtney.
09:05And Curtis just said it.
09:07If Jason Tatum is the number one and he can't get it done without Jalen Brown, that's
09:10far different than Jalen Brown not the number one, not being able to get it done
09:13without the number one.
09:14I was an MVP in the NBA Finals.
09:17Who didn't think he was a number one?
09:19Can I interrupt just so we can take a quick break?
09:21Sure.
09:22I'm getting a popsicle headache.
09:24Really?
09:24I am too.
09:25Oh my God.
09:25Mine's more of like a pretzel.
09:26Because I'm speaking facts and everybody's just kicking opinions back.
09:30I'm not.
09:31Yeah, it is.
09:32You don't even have a popsicle.
09:33Yeah, exactly.
09:34So now Jason Tatum's not the number one on this team and hasn't been.
09:37Nobody said...
09:38I said that Jalen Brown was looked at as a...
09:41We got to take a break.
09:42I don't want to get into it.
09:44I don't want to get into it.
09:45Where do you guys stand on the bomb pop?
09:47I do love you, though.
09:48I'm about to go lay down on I-90 right now.
09:51No!
09:52Jazz Chisholm loves him in game.
09:54He sure does.
09:55The bomb pop.
09:56Okay.
09:57So when we come back, we'll get to They Said It.
09:59And that includes Paul George on his thoughts on being a part of...
10:03Remember, they're not his thoughts.
10:06You got to...
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