00:27This is Tim Wassberg from Fest Track on Surf TV.
00:29I'm here in Toronto, Ontario for the Toronto Film Festival.
00:33But this is also an independent film, so you've got to keep moving.
00:36Could you talk about finding your guys' right energy?
00:40I think Yap and I work tremendously well together because Yap being the more experienced director would do the technical
00:50side of things.
00:50And I having a firm grasp of the script, but would also more pull on the heartstrings of especially the
01:03Inuit actors.
01:04And so let's say let's have this feeling at this stage of the conversation and then change at the end.
01:15I mean, those types of things that made sense to me, that made also sense to the Inuit actors.
01:21And the way Yap and Numi sort of worked were, you know, I said it the other day, he uses
01:32the director's beat and she understands it.
01:45Oh, shit.
02:20There has to be bridges in order to understand.
02:22Were there specific things that you did, Vinny, in order to, you know, make it feel sort of lived in?
02:29We're not drawing all these emotions out of thin air.
02:32These are real lived experiences.
02:35And everyone who knows a little bit about their history knows where the writing is coming from.
02:46I've dealt with some of those situations.
02:48I think Yap and I have the same philosophy in terms of tackling actors and the way they portray themselves
02:56in the moment.
02:58Let's make it feel natural.
03:01Let's try this feeling.
03:02Let's try this action with this feeling.
03:05And it was never more like how I want to see it like this, not James Cameron or anything like
03:15that, but the way, especially in theater, and it has to be felt by the actor themselves, that role you
03:29want them to take.
03:30And so it's our job to sort of say, let's try these two steps and then go one step back
03:40to the left and then see from there.
03:43And that's what I think worked best for how the actors, you know, gave themselves fully to the scene.
04:08Gotta lift before the mid-deats the rotors.
04:12Let's catch up.
04:12Gonna fight.
04:29Watch out.
04:29Today's the kill, it's our boss, because he's still playing.
04:30Watch out, Jake & Yagna, why were you all there?
04:30No, thanks, babe.
04:31Plan according to me at May 12, 2021.
04:31We might go one step back at the door.
04:31I interact, whereas we can notice them all.
04:34We'll fall in on, and take care of ange型, just be able to know how hard an Measure Legislative Objective
04:40Stateije education.
04:42they are on this path of no exit almost but yet it has to play itself out could you talk
04:50about
04:50that narrative device because it really encapsulates them internally externally even
04:56though they're on different journeys the way that you are putting that uh because it is true
05:04that it's there's a tunnel-like structure and and yeah for us we also worked a lot on feeling and
05:17and with intuition and with visual metaphors so for us it was often like woody is when the moment he
05:30hits that uh pipeline it's almost as if he himself is sucked into it and if there's a kind of
05:39a
05:39ongoing uh flow of uh oil that he that is pushing him and at first it seems that this is
05:47something
05:47uh life uh threatening and that he can uh he can hardly stay afloat and stay breathing let's say
05:54but uh the more we go into the film and we and we are uh with him and also with
06:00her because
06:01obviously they're always like going like this because she's going after him and so she's pushing
06:06he's pulling and and then uh we learned that actually there's also a kind of a bizarre because
06:12very dark life-giving uh force behind that because if he wouldn't enter that dark tunnel
06:21then it would have been the end of him right
06:23breach breach
06:26entry progress
06:35alpha three bedroom one clear
06:42alpha two bedroom two clear
06:46robo q contact email at rear entry
06:56you guys use all these visual metaphors using nature in many ways and the nature versus
07:03technology nature versus civilization um could you talk about that metaphor or the metaphor of that
07:10within the movie since that's so important and that's the push and pull one was had tried to deal
07:17with it in the past but buried it the other one is just dealing with it now uh or going
07:24through it
07:25and um doesn't know how to get out of it and so um
07:35uh new mischaracter
07:38uh thought she went through it but she hid it from herself and from from her her colleagues
07:45and then now is sort of saying okay i can't
07:50let someone go through that and so his journey is to to go through it uh not knowing if there's
07:58a way
07:58to get out and and sort of uh like you said that that barrier of that sin barrier that ice
08:05is is the
08:06it's the way that the two uh and and i believe that's the only time the two ever contact each
08:13other
08:13uh even though there's a strong force you know pushing and pulling them together at the same time a tug
08:20-of-war
08:24uh
08:47we talked about genre genre is the best way to talk about bigger themes you know while
08:55encapsulating it in a wrapper that people can digest this story was also brought to us right
09:03there was a guy i just i just met in passing by who told me i grew up in a
09:10small village in alaska
09:11and you know what happened one day it was this guy who shot the oil so so i think um
09:18and from there
09:19in alaska or did you meet where did you meet him he was he was doing europe so he was
09:25uh yeah yeah so
09:26we met him here and uh and it's like it's a story that stuck and then i started uh researching
09:32and
09:33then getting into the fbi side of that and so i think from very early on it was it was
09:38clear that
09:39that um uh genre approach was just part of the of the natural story that also it it appealed uh
09:49to me
09:49and i think that um once vinnie and i got uh much deeper into uh the characters that then um
09:58we
09:59started to uh to feel more and more uh the weight of what they were experiencing and where that came
10:06from and how can we tell that in a way that is uh respectful and doesn't like re-traumatize and
10:13all
10:13of those issues i think early on being subtle was always part of what i envisioned uh of of the
10:22social
10:22situations that come up um and and uh more to the point you know making sure it's done uh especially
10:33the arctic scenes here in the arctic uh and using real people um uh some of whom acted and some
10:41of
10:41whom had not and so
