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Writer/Director Tony Vahl and Actress Jella Haase talk to Fest about the concept of "cadaver gehorsam", the psychological impact in the aftermath of war and about parallels to contemporary anxieties like climate change and the rise of fascism in talking about their new film: "Krux" playing the Discovery section as a World Premiere at the 2026 Toronto International Film Festival in Toronto, Ontario.

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00:27This is Tim Wassberg from Fest Track on Surf TV.
00:29I'm here in Toronto, Ontario for the Toronto Film Festival.
00:49You know, everything starts with the idea that I didn't want to make a war movie.
00:58So that was for me the first thing that I am not such a fan of war movies.
01:03And I asked myself, what can I add?
01:05And then I'm really interested in the psychology.
01:10And how is it possible that or what's happened when the protective zone of a community collapsed?
01:17And how do people behave in this kind of extreme situation?
01:21And so I started with, yeah, I read a book from Florian Huber.
01:26It's 10 years ago.
01:27Child Promise Me to Kill Yourself.
01:29And it's inspired me and gives me, yeah, yeah, the feeling that it was, yeah, I forgot a story to
01:39tell.
01:39Because my grandmother told me some stories about corpses floating down the river when I was a little child.
01:48And she...
01:49Was she near the border or where was she?
01:51She was in East Germany.
01:53It was East Germany where I grew up.
01:56And this time it sounds for me like a horror story.
02:01But then I read the book from Florian Huber and recognize it was a problem all around in Germany.
02:07So, so, so, and that everything starts there.
02:10And then I make some research and, and, and, and find interesting words.
02:15For example, you know, they have all the special words like a hero cult or death cult or a cadaver
02:22gehorsam, for example.
02:24Yeah, yeah, it's cadaver gehorsam.
02:25It means there's no English translation.
02:28It means to behave like a dead piece of meat.
02:32Okay.
02:32So, that the people were trained from the government or from the state to behave or behave without the will,
02:42just function in the body and don't ask any questions.
02:47So, this means the, and this was for me a red line to, to, to try to understand these people
02:54in this period shortly before the wars.
02:56And, and, and also the question, um, yeah, how is it possible the war is ending and they, they, they,
03:02they start to kill themselves.
03:04So, that was the main entrance.
03:08Die Liebe höre niemals auf.
03:10In guten wie in schlechten Zeiten.
03:14So seid ihr nun Mann und Frau.
03:27Die Krieg kommt ein.
03:28What did that take?
03:29Obviously you're a couple generations removed from that, but what did you have to do psychologically, physically to get into
03:36her head?
03:37Maybe to start with, Gritta stayed with me for a long time and her emotions did.
03:44And I felt quite wounded after our shooting, to be honest, because it was really heavy to deal with all
03:55those questions.
03:56And I really asked myself, what are humans actually capable of?
04:00Um, but let me unpack that maybe a little bit, um, because I think I, I can draw some parallels
04:14to nowadays.
04:16Um, because I guess we are also feeling that danger is drawing ever closer, whether we name it climate change
04:29or AI.
04:30Or the, the, the rise of fascism.
04:35So, I think we're kind of paralyzed as well, because if we're really honest, we, and if we would really,
04:46um,
04:47saw the problem in detail or the danger, which is approaching unstoppably, we would have to, to fight every day.
04:59And we don't do, do we?
05:01I think we, so in a political way.
05:05So, I think there was something very, very, um, contemporary about it.
05:12So, that was my approach.
05:14And then again, of course, I, I, I did a lot of research, but, um, my objective is to go
05:21from the inner, from the into the outside.
05:24So, I asked myself questions like, what would Rita's life be if the war hadn't happened, for example?
05:35And when does she realize that something is really going off the rails and how does this affect her life?
05:44But, coming back to what you asked me in the first place, there is this parallel.
05:50So, I could approach this character in, in, in, in, in not an easy way, but, somehow, it was clear
06:01to me.
06:19In war, war, and everything, the extraordinary becomes normal.
06:23We talk about AI, we talk about these things.
06:25And these things will become a part of life, uh, whether we want them to or not.
06:31Now, the idea here is the notion of fate, is that, you know, the policy that was implemented, it, it,
06:38the problem is, it's hard to say yes or no.
06:40It's not about choice, it's about survival.
06:43Yeah.
06:43Could you talk about that and finding sort of that, because there's a sense of dread that overtakes the film
06:48on purpose.
06:49It was an approach for me to, to bring it in contrast and also was the question, um, uh, one
06:58approach that we, uh, the cinematographer and I, we try to find an epic way, don't exhibit the, the, the
07:09suffer, suffering.
07:10So, so, so, so how we can bring it in balance, you know, this, how we can show this, this
07:19dark side of, uh, humanity.
07:22So, and so, uh, yeah, uh, it was approach to, to bring it in contrast.
07:30You know, I like to puzzle and I want the audience that they have the chance to decode something.
07:38You, you can bring your own interpretation inside and I like to work with some builds and everything has a,
07:44has a, a meaning, you know, everything is very, also the details.
07:49And so I try to, to combine it in a way, but it's also, uh, to bring everything in a
07:55kind of claustrophobic, uh, mood.
07:58Okay.
07:58So, uh, it's going deeper and deeper and deeper and darker.
08:03Yeah, so it's, there is not that much hopes, but we have our wonderful character who brings it up and
08:09gives some lights in the story.
08:22That was quite important for me as well, because I think through all the times people were just living.
08:29And, um, therefore I wrote a biography for my character and, uh, as I said before, just asked myself, what
08:40would Greta have been like if the war hadn't happened?
08:43And I thought she would, yeah, I, I thought she would, she would be, uh, she was, she, she would
08:49like to be a young woman.
08:51She's, she, she, she, she, she's, um, sensual, she's alive, she's a little bit clumsy.
08:57We had fun in shaping her.
08:59And I also thought that maybe she was in love with her husband and they, he promised to marry her
09:07when he comes back from war.
09:10And so that posthume marriage made it even worse and more incapable.
09:40And so that posthume marriage made it even worse and more incapable.
09:53So, and it's also, uh, um, it, um, um, it looks like a little bit.
09:54Okay.
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09:55seven, seven, seven, seven, seven, seven.
10:16One, two, five, five.
10:16One, two, six, seven, seven, seven, seven, seven, nine.

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