Leapfrogging the West: Nigeria’s Clean Energy Revolution w/ Ifeoma Malo

Name: Leapfrogging the West: Nigeria’s Clean Energy Revolution w/ Ifeoma Malo | S05E04
Uploaded: 2026-10-12T08:04:45+00:00
Duration: 34 min 11 s
Channel: Tangelic Life

00:00It's not an either or renewable energy, clean energy versus, you know, gas and oil, a sort of mental.

00:07We want it to be cleaner energy.

00:09But those technologies are going to be built here because the cost of building them in Southeast Asia has even

00:14dealt.

00:15We want them to be built in Africa.

00:17We want the people who are building it to be Africans.

00:19We want Africans to take part in, be a part of the pie, you know.

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00:35Welcome to Tangelic Talks, your go-to podcast from Tangelic, where we dive into the vibrant world of clean energy,

00:42development, sustainability, and climate change in Africa.

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01:01Beyond the headlines of energy, infrastructure, and climate lie the real stories.

01:05Welcome to Tangelic Talks.

01:07We find out who's building our future, who's funding it, what actually works, and exactly what happens after.

01:13Today, we're joined by someone who has spent more than two decades sitting at the intersection of energy, infrastructure, policy,

01:19finance, and community development.

01:20Ifoma is the co-founder and CEO of Clean Technology Help Nigeria, and has worked across Nigeria's energy sector, from

01:27advising the Minister of Power, to driving decentralized renewable energy and community development initiatives across the country.

01:33Ifoma, welcome to Tangelic Talks.

01:36Thank you for having me, Victoria.

01:38We're really excited to talk to you a bit about how we finance the energy transition.

01:42How do we make sure this investment is actually delivering on communities?

01:46And I'd really like to start with you explaining to us what the landscape of the energy conversation is in

01:51Nigeria, and where Clean Technology Hub Nigeria comes in.

01:56Sure.

01:58Clean Tech Hub, we're a hybrid hub, focused on four key things.

02:01One of them is energy access, getting electricity to the last mile and the deep rural areas.

02:08The second one is climate mitigation and adaptation, working in those communities to address some of the climate challenges that

02:16they have in their communities.

02:18And then the third one is on sustainable entrepreneurship, looking at how to get those communities to have economic activities

02:28in a way that can make them afford to pay for the electricity that is generated for them.

02:35And then the fourth one is around community development and infrastructure, infrastructure financing, looking at how to aggregate financing

02:44that can get more developers, more distributors, more financing into those communities to even have bigger projects that go beyond

02:53the energy access.

02:54So that's what Clean Technology Hub does, and that's how we intersect with the broader electricity and energy access sector.

03:02That's quite cool.

03:04Yeah, no, it's fascinating.

03:07There's so many different ways you can take this, but maybe I can just start on the type of investments

03:12that you're getting

03:13and the type of investments that your clients are getting.

03:15So there's been a big rise across Africa when it comes to debt investments.

03:20So very interested in learning, are you seeing that yourself?

03:24What type of investments you're getting?

03:25Is it a blended finance approach?

03:28Is it still that equity is still kind of the flame of the month or is it a bit of

03:33everything that you're seeing there?

03:36I think it's a bit of both.

03:38And so it's both equity, it's both debt, it's both government funding and government intervention.

03:47And I say governments, but also philanthropic intervention.

03:52And there's still a bit of grants.

03:54We look at a lot of funding landscape in two ways.

03:57There's before COVID and after COVID.

03:59You know, before COVID, we were very grants dependent.

04:02And during COVID, there was a huge push to get all of the financing,

04:07all of the development financing focused on attacking this big mammoth, you know,

04:13health challenge that the world was facing.

04:15And so there were so many sectors like electricity sectors that were deprioritized at the time.

04:22And this was because, you know, there was more focus on getting vaccines to the last mile.

04:29Where electricity came in then was to see how to make sure that those vaccines were, you know,

04:34put in temperature controlled containers.

04:40But also with the advent of the shift in funding from with the U.S. pulling out of a lot

04:47of global agreements,

04:49we've also seen a lot of entrepreneurs, developers and distributors now more open to accepting debt financing and also looking

05:01at equity as well.

05:02In the past, what would happen was people were very siloed in their approach to how they run their businesses.

05:11They just wanted it to be their business and with no other person.

05:15But now you see that people are looking at more ways to infuse capital into that business.

05:20And so you see there's an openness into taking more private equity.

05:25There's more venture capital forming that is coming.

05:27And you see more on lending by by development banks, not so much commercial banks, but development banks in the

05:35sector.

05:37Awesome. Now, especially what you said at the start about America cutting funding, we've seen it with USAID, too.

05:45It's had a big impact on, say, in a weird way, beneficial because people are becoming a bit more self

05:50-sufficient.

05:51But others are saying that the resources that the U.S. would give was making a massive impact.

05:57And now that's been taken away. Maybe another question that I'll hand it to Victoria after is, obviously, a lot

06:05of the work you've done is with ministers in Nigeria and with politicians to people that can make a big

06:12impact.

06:12So on my end, I just want to ask, we've seen with initiatives like the Dangotee Refinery, where the government

06:19and, of course, the legal Dangotee has put a lot of effort into gas and energy and remove fuel subsidies.

06:28So is it still a priority for them, a lot of the governments, when it comes to helping a lot

06:33of those rural areas in terms of clean energy?

06:35And if so, do you think there should be maybe more of an initiative and more basically them trying to

06:43focus a bit more on clean energy rather than refineries, too?

06:48That's an interesting question.

06:52I think Africa needs as much energy and as diverse as energy sources as it can to be able to

07:01industrialize.

07:02Even those of us that are in the renewable energy and clean energy space will accede to that.

07:08So for us, we don't come from an either or sort of situation.

07:12It's not an either or renewable energy, clean energy versus, you know, gas and oil, a sort of mental.

07:19We want it to be cleaner energy.

07:21You know, we want to transition from coal.

07:23We want to transition from oil, especially because those forms of energy have not typically helped Nigeria

07:30or African countries where you have an excessive amount of oil or coal or even gas.

07:37Those resources have not been beneficial to those communities.

07:41But having said that, we applaud Dangote for building the biggest refinery in Nigeria.

07:47We understand that if Nigeria has to industrialize, we need a lot of that sort of energy that he can

07:56generate for people to be able to build businesses at scale.

08:07And when you look at the fact that, and I'm sure Dangote's team did all these permutations, that the amount

08:14of self-generation that goes on,

08:15whether you're a bank, whether you're a manufacturing firm, you're generating anyway through your generators.

08:21And you're buying petrol or you're buying diesel, right, to be able to power those things.

08:29And the congregated amount of pollution that that brings, if you go to any of the major markets or any

08:36of the manufacturing hubs,

08:38with each of them having their own industrial generators, is mind-boggling.

08:43So to have a central generating power or a refinery like Dangote, being able to produce refined oil that people

08:52can use

08:53or that can power gas-stop buying straight to plants is a great thing.

08:59But on the other hand, as much as we're industrializing the urban areas,

09:06there's a whole vast amount of Africa that is still rural.

09:11And that's where you find a lot of the land and the natural resources and people.

09:16And they also need to be electrified today.

09:20They don't have to wait for 10 years, 15 years for Dangote to be able to pipe into their communities.

09:26And so what you have is that we have renewable energy entrepreneurs,

09:29especially mini-grid and micro-grid entrepreneurs,

09:32who are building out solar mini-grids, solar micro-grids in those communities

09:37and helping them to start cottage industries today.

09:40So whether it's the smaller-scale manufacturing, whether it's the small-scale milling,

09:46the right milling, those mini-grids, micro-grids are able to power that.

09:51Right?

09:52And it helps with food production because a lot of our food production is also rural.

09:57You know, Africa, there's a report I read recently that says in another three years,

10:03we'll be facing the worst food crisis ever.

10:05And that's because the time it takes to get from farm to market,

10:12those rural farms to market, there's a lot of spoilage along the way.

10:16So there isn't any electricity to store.

10:19There isn't enough electricity.

10:21There aren't good roads to actually transport them.

10:24But there isn't also electricity to be able to process them at the places where they grow.

10:31And so you find that the mini-grids and micro-grids are addressing that through,

10:36you know, productive use of energy.

10:38Where if you're producing grains or you're producing fresh foods,

10:43that there are ways to have solar millers, solar dryers,

10:46that can help you package those things at source.

10:50And so what you're then trucking into the cities are already semi-processed goods, right?

10:57Or you even have them with the electric vehicles where you put solar on top,

11:01that you have cooling vans that can carry them through from farm to city.

11:05So these are some of the things that we're addressing,

11:07where we don't have to wait for the big moneyed people to come in and put in money

11:14to address them in another five, six years.

11:16We're addressing them now.

11:18Yeah, and I think with a lot of energy projects,

11:21specifically in the African context,

11:23we always think of these macro big projects.

11:26And this is a great example of one of those that is not necessarily smaller scale,

11:30but it's not this national thing, right?

11:34It's very specific to context in rural areas,

11:37if I'm understanding that correctly.

11:39Yes.

11:40And the thing is that one of the things we see happening in the market right now

11:45is that there is now an aggregation of this model, right?

11:49People are now understanding this model and trying to build it to scale, right?

11:55So while the refineries are good to solve a lot of urban, peri-urban manufacturing problems,

12:03the more insular problems that seeping from our rural communities into the urban areas

12:11are things that a lot of the renewable energy, clean energy, solar energy are actually addressing today.

12:18And because people understand that,

12:20I think there's a lot of study that has been done to make people understand that.

12:24We also see that there are investors that are interested in how do you power agriculture

12:29from rural areas, from farm to fork?

12:32How do we make sure that that happens to address a lot of the synergies between energy and food systems?

12:41That makes sense, for example.

12:43And I guess with these sort of smaller projects, right,

12:47there's a lot of exciting pilot projects that then don't get scaled

12:52or aren't able to be introduced and implemented in the way that we would like.

12:56What do you think is the biggest pitfall there?

12:58Why is that happening?

12:59Is it a lack of funding?

13:00Is it policy regulations?

13:02Is, you know, lack of support from communities or government?

13:05What is that pitfall that all these exciting ideas have?

13:11I can say it's all of the above.

13:15But I think it's also, but it also bottoms down to not carrying the communities along.

13:23And that's why there's a huge focus around looking at community-owned and community-led projects, right?

13:30Renewable energy projects.

13:32That's now becoming a big thing.

13:35Where before you think about putting in a mini-grid,

13:39there are several steps around community entry, community design of the project,

13:45what you intend for it to achieve, understanding the nucleus of that state.

13:50For instance, in Benway State, we know that it's agriculturally heavy.

13:53You know, that's the, we call it the food basket in Nigeria, the food basket of Nigeria.

13:59So whatever systems, renewable energy systems that you're trying to build,

14:05must be built around food systems, right?

14:08And there are some other states where it's education, right?

14:12So the schools, they've built a number of, you know, high-achieving schools and universities.

14:20How do you make sure that you're providing adequate power to power their science labs

14:25and to make sure that, you know, their classrooms are upgraded?

14:29Some states have focused on health care.

14:32And I'm saying they want to become the health hubs of Africa.

14:37How are you making sure that you're building out the systems peculiar to those communities

14:41that are going to power those health systems?

14:44So that if people want to come to those states or those communities to see a doctor,

14:49to see, to access a health care facility, that, you know,

14:54they have enough generation power to power all the facilities there.

14:59So it's also understanding the peculiarities of each community

15:03and then building the electricity systems that can actually power that economic activity

15:08or that social development activity to scale.

15:13And so to answer your question on why this fails, it's because people don't,

15:18you know, there's a lot of projects that start with the best of intentions,

15:22especially when there's financing.

15:24And the amount of work you have to do to get community buy-in to make sure that the community

15:31owns the project or is part owns the project, is invested in the project succeeding.

15:39A lot of that work gets ignored in the beginning.

15:43And is this sort of preliminary work that helps attract investors as well?

15:48Is it something investors are asking or care about when it comes to, you know,

15:54funding these types of projects?

15:55Or is it more something that at Clean Technology Hub you guys are interested in?

16:02I think we've done quite a bit of research on this because we've been at communities

16:11where projects that were designed didn't quite succeed.

16:14There are some, one or two, that we've been involved in where after a couple of years,

16:21those projects died, right?

16:24And we realized that we could have done a lot more with sort of imbibing

16:32the culture of that community project, you know, into that community,

16:37making them feel like they owned it, that they were part of it.

16:40And it wasn't people from outside that they were coming to impose that project there.

16:45Because you remember, whenever there is an external project,

16:48there's also an influx of a lot of people that are not from the community.

16:53And these are people that they see that get the jobs.

16:56You know, they get the jobs, then they see them with cars.

16:59They live in secluded areas, you know, that the community can only hope or dream of

17:05or aspire to live in one day.

17:07And so turn that model around and make sure that the community knows that the people that

17:14you want employed, empowered, the people that you want as one of the core beneficiaries

17:21are the members of that community.

17:23It changes the entire orientation of the project from the word go.

17:26And I think the rest of us also now begin to understand that because they'll ask you

17:31in a lot of the questions, investor questions or investor term sheets that they send to us

17:35and say, what is your relationship with the community?

17:38How will they receive this project?

17:41Has there been external projects that have come in before?

17:44And what was the reaction of the community?

17:47You know, like they want to know whether you know enough about how this will be received

17:52and whether this will be beneficial and how it will be long sustaining after the capital,

17:59the capital that has been infused has been taken out, whether you understand whether this

18:03is going to be sustainable.

18:04They ask all of those questions.

18:06So investors are also very much aware that this is the model that that is long, longer

18:12lasting.

18:12And that makes me really happy to hear that, to be honest, because there's always all these,

18:18you know, there seems to be a disconnect many times when we talk about

18:22money coming from one side and the community that's actually going to be affected by whatever's

18:28being done.

18:29But on the other side of that, what is something that investors misunderstand about the realities

18:34of developing energy projects in an African market, specifically in a Nigerian market?

18:42It's how I think the biggest thing is the amount of money you have to spend building your

18:47own infrastructure.

18:49I'll tell you that, Victoria, there was a community that we went with one of our developer

18:55friends to support them in building this.

18:57So at Clean Tech Hub, we do a lot of community entry, community engagement, demand simulation,

19:03custom enumeration in those communities.

19:05We work with developers that are building the mini grids and micro grids to do those things.

19:10And so going into some of these communities, there are no roads.

19:14In this community, there was a, I think, a little tinge of a road somewhere, but then

19:19it was washed away a week before we're supposed to get there.

19:23And so when we started to do project development and we had to go into those communities, we had

19:28to go in with camels.

19:29I actually had to climb a camel to be able, because the bridge had been washed away.

19:35Oh my goodness.

19:37Yes.

19:37Anytime my team wants to make fun of me, they bring up that picture during our team bonding

19:41activities.

19:43But that for me was, no, that for me was really investment 101, right?

19:49Because we had to rebuild the bridge.

19:51I mean, how else are you going to carry solar panels over a stream if you do not have road

19:56access to get it into that community?

19:59And that community was one of the biggest communities that produced, I think, corn, corn

20:05cobs.

20:06So it was such a big thing for us, you know, to get there, to be able to build a

20:12lot of

20:12that solar project.

20:13It wasn't just building the mini grids.

20:15It was also the solar irrigation for some of the solar farms, for some of the farms that

20:19were there, right?

20:21Yeah.

20:22That's cool.

20:23Yeah.

20:23But the things that investors don't know is that you have to sometimes build

20:26your own infrastructure.

20:28The infrastructure doesn't exist.

20:29So you're building it from scratch.

20:31Right.

20:32No, that's so, it's a thing that I think many people maybe in the West and other regions

20:38don't recognize that when we talk about building an ecosystem, and we've talked about that a

20:43few times in different episodes, it is literally building every different input that is needed

20:49to make your investment project worthwhile and important.

20:53And it kind of leads to my next question.

20:56So we've talked about the solar farms microgrids quite a bit, and I'm really interested to

21:02know about the inputs that are used to make some of these products, whether it is the microgrids,

21:08because what I mean by this is where you're sourcing the products from.

21:13Africa, of course, has abundance of natural resources when it comes to solar energy, even

21:21wind energy, hydro, and also critical minerals we've seen in Congo and for the other continents

21:26too.

21:26But I noticed that China has quite a bit of a chokehold on a lot of the materials that are

21:32used in solar.

21:33For instance, polysilicon or solar cells.

21:38So when you're doing the research and companies are creating some of these products, are you

21:44seeing that most people are sourcing a lot of the products used to make some of these microgrids

21:49solar farms from other countries like China or a lot of the raw materials that are used to

21:55make these products, made domestically or in Africa too?

22:00That's a loaded question.

22:04And I'll address that question in two ways.

22:07Okay, go.

22:08A lot of what we use is still imported, right?

22:12But there are now a few companies that are producing panels and cells in concrete.

22:25But it is so difficult for those companies to get money or investors to believe in them.

22:32There seems to be the impression that they should get, that you import products, right?

22:42To be able to do these projects.

22:46You know, so one of the solar companies, you know, that is now producing solar cells in

22:54Nigeria, they've gotten quite a bit of funding from Orlon and from, Orlon is an impact investor

23:02in Nigeria and also from a number of other investors.

23:07In those sorts of companies, you can't expect private equity or venture capitalists to invest

23:14because they need patient capital.

23:18And that's why for those sorts of companies, you need grants and you need really, really

23:23long-term development grants that are patient, that are not looking for returns in five years,

23:29seven years, you know, maybe 10 years.

23:33But yeah, but you know, you need patient capital for those.

23:38But you seem to, we seem to experience a resistance to people funding, manufacturing and assembling

23:43plants for solar products in Nigeria.

23:46They want to fund developers to do projects, but they don't want to fund those who are taking

23:52the risk to say, we can produce a lot of those things here.

23:56And that for me is very dodgy because, you know, why do we want to continue to import

24:00everything when we have, I mean, think about the numbers.

24:05I, you know, like we have the youngest number of young people on the continent in Nigeria.

24:13And it's going to grow in another 10 years, you know, to be almost at par with any other

24:18country that you can think about.

24:20So the potential for employment, if we're building these things here, manufacturing these

24:25things here is huge, right?

24:28So why isn't there, why would I come and try to build charge controllers in Nigeria?

24:34And you cannot give me a grant or patient capital for it, but you want to give a mini grid

24:41developer, you know, $2 million, $5 million to go build mini grids.

24:46Why can't we start from building, you know, the bottom of the pillar when it comes to building

24:52out the infrastructure that is needed to power the system?

24:56So that's, that's the way that I'm answering that, you know, there needs to be more funding

25:02made available to people who are taking the risk to build a lot of those products and components

25:07in country.

25:10Sure.

25:12Yeah.

25:13That makes sense.

25:13Yeah, I get it.

25:15And it's the reason I was just, it goes back to that ecosystem about how are we benefiting

25:22the community?

25:23So I can understand that maybe sometimes it might be cheaper to source the products in

25:29China, but if you're able to increase, as we said, the employment in other regions across

25:35Africa or in Nigeria in particular, that's the main aim, isn't it?

25:41And maybe just leaving it here.

25:43So look, we've talked about, and I've asked questions about refineries and energy too.

25:49And a lot of the time people say that in terms of climate change, Africa is actually quite

25:55low in terms of the amount of carbon dioxide that it produces.

25:58And so, well, relative to places like China and U.S., so could you maybe give reasons as

26:05to why we've talked about how it benefits communities, but how and why should people care more about

26:11climate change and the impact that it's happening on Africa?

26:16Because the science is clear.

26:19I mean, the science is there, you know, the numbers are clear.

26:25You know, last year during COP, we heard that we had all exceeded the ceiling, right?

26:31And even though we're the lowest polluters, Africa has always borne the brunt of the world's

26:37excesses.

26:39So while the impact of climate change might be least here now, I feel like down the line,

26:48and we see it's coming with the increased flooding, with the changing weather patterns we have.

26:54Listen, if you've been in Nigeria the past two or three years, you see the kind of torrential

27:00rainfalls we have that completely destroy farmlands, you know?

27:05So the food crisis is not just that we're not able to get food out of farms to market.

27:11It's not just the insecurity.

27:12It's also what the rains are doing to farmlands, washing away gigatons of food that people plant,

27:19the farmers plant, right?

27:21And we haven't seen this sort of rains before.

27:24This wasn't how it used to rain before.

27:27And then, you know, then when it's hot, you think that you're in hell because it's so scorching.

27:32You know, we're reaching temperatures we've never seen before at the same time.

27:37And unfortunately for us in Africa, we do not have the science or the technology to mitigate

27:42these things.

27:43I mean, we're talking about the basics of not having electricity.

27:47In the West and in Southeast Asia, they can put on ACs.

27:50They have all sorts of technologies that they've built to sort of mitigate against heat and

27:54heat waves, you know, to manage rains and how to channel the rains into other places for

28:00water conservation or whatever.

28:02We don't even have those things.

28:04So it is of most importance that we talk about climate change in sub-Saharan Africa, even

28:10when we're the least polluters.

28:12It does not mean that we don't want to industrialize.

28:16And that's why I made that distinction in the beginning.

28:19We feel like we have to industrialize and industrialize at scale.

28:23But to the extent that there are now climate smart technologies that are being built,

28:28we want to be able to leapfrog to make sure that we're using them.

28:31It's like the cell phone revolution, right?

28:34Where at some point in the 80s to early 90s, Nigeria had only 30,000 landlines, you know,

28:41the one, the rotary phones where you, yeah.

28:45My kids look at those things and think it's AI.

28:48And I'm like, no, those things really existed.

28:51You know, we use them, you know.

28:54They're so vintage.

28:55Yeah.

28:55Because, you know, they are so used to punching things on their screen and they think that's

28:59how the world has always been.

29:01But I've told them, you know, like, and I say to them, I say to also, because I have a

29:05very young workforce, the average age of staff at Clean Tech Home is 32.

29:11You know, we have people who are 21 to 32.

29:14That's the range of a majority of our workforce.

29:18And I say to them, there are climate technologies that are being built today in the West, in Southeast

29:25Asia.

29:25We have to leapfrog to be able to meet them where they are.

29:30So if we had waited for what Nigeria did with its telephone and mobile phone revolution

29:37was that it leapfrogged.

29:38It went from 30,000 lines to God knows, you know, 20 million cell phones immediately, where

29:46people were now able to use it to transact and start small businesses, micro businesses.

29:51We have to make that leap when it comes to clean energy technologies rather than wait for the

29:57traditional, you know, ways of doing.

30:00And I think that that's because these days, look at the electric vehicles that have been

30:04built, electric motorbikes, electric tricycles, right?

30:09I'm happy that we're seeing a lot more Africans that are building charging stations for three

30:17wheelers and two wheelers rather than waiting for when it becomes ubiquitous and, you know,

30:23we're trying to catch up.

30:24We're saying, well, you know, these days are here to stay.

30:27How do we then build solar power charging stations that people can use?

30:32How do we teach people to drive the two wheelers and three wheelers to be able to read the gauge,

30:40to know when to charge, to charge them?

30:43You know, there's a whole orientation.

30:44There's a whole social psychological orientation to using electric two wheelers and three wheelers

30:51versus using petrol and diesel to drive those things.

30:55So what the work is going on now, we don't want to be playing catch up all the time.

31:00And that's exactly what we're saying here.

31:04Yeah.

31:05And you're sort of getting ahead of the curve of other societies that have to do all this

31:10behavior change because if it's already part of the day-to-day for you, then there's not

31:16much, you know, changing you have to do that down the line.

31:19It's more progressive, progressively adapting.

31:23Yeah.

31:24And to add to that, the technologies also would eventually begin to be, I mean, if you look

31:29at the cost of building out anything, I listen to the CEO of Apple a lot and he complains

31:34about the cost of labor and the cost of doing anything in China these days, it's coming to

31:40Africa.

31:41You know, they are building plants in Africa.

31:42There's a part of Ogle State.

31:44There's a part in Kenya that has been completely overtaken by the Chinese where they are building

31:49plants to manufacture here.

31:51Right.

31:52The labor is here.

31:52What we want to see actually is to have more local industrialists taking the lead in building

31:58these things.

31:59Right.

31:59We're not against foreign investors.

32:01We like it, but we also want our people to have skin in the game like a Dan Gote.

32:05Right.

32:06So we are very happy that there's a black man who's on the billionaires list and who's

32:11building big things that can fundamentally change the course of the continent.

32:16But those technologies are going to be built here because the cost of building them in Southeast

32:21Asia has even dealt.

32:22Right.

32:23So, but if you don't understand the technology, how are you going to get the workforce that

32:26is going to build it here?

32:28And so when we're talking about climate technology and clean technology and how, you know, we're

32:32not saying don't industrialize.

32:34We know that there are technologies that are being built for the future.

32:37We want them to be built in Africa.

32:39We want the people who are building it to be Africans.

32:41We want Africans to take parts in, be a part of the pie, you know, and not just be consumers

32:48of the pie.

32:50Right.

32:51And, and that's where we are coming from to say, well, if this is, is this, is happening

32:56and there's going to be climate change and there's going to be a reorientation of how

32:59technology is being built.

33:01Africa needs to be a part of that conversation from the get-go.

33:05Definitely.

33:06Especially when you have the workforce and the resources to kind of lead it.

33:11Yeah.

33:12And I want to get more into the policy conversation on our Q&A.

33:15So Ifoma, thank you so much for coming on Tangelic Talks.

33:18You can follow up with Ifoma's work and clean technology, Nigeria.

33:24We're going to put everything on the blog at tangeliclife.org and we'll catch you guys

33:28on the next one.

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