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Audrey Hobert joins The Rolling Stone Studio at our New York office for a deep dive into her fantastic debut album ‘Who’s the Clown.’ She reflects on the wild year she’s had since releasing the record, bringing her whimsical, energetic live shows all over the world, connecting with fans, and gaining her first Billboard Hot 100 entry with “Sue Me.” The 27-year-old songwriter also discusses her love for Steve Martin and Nathan Fielder, her song “Phoebe” and how many times she’s been asked about watching ‘Friends,’ and her real-life friend, Gracie Abrams. She also touches on her relationship with social media, Grammys season, and opening for Charli XCX next year.
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00:00I'm okay to be annoying in real life like not really but I would really hate to be annoying
00:05on social media so I try not to be I don't know it's cool to have followers and likes though
00:10so that always brightens my day thanks to my followers check out my next post that's that's
00:16a perfect sell hey guys I'm Angie Martosio and we have a very special guest today in the Rolling
00:27Stone studio Audrey Hobart woo there you go thank you so much for being here how's your day going so
00:33far it's good I love New York so I'm happy I mean as we were saying it's officially the fall
00:38season
00:38it's happening yes I'm down for it need it yeah yeah you're also coming off a really busy summer
00:44we just celebrated the one year anniversary of your album we did how is that for you does it feel
00:51like
00:51the year kind of flew by or can you totally see that being a year yeah I can see it
00:55being a year
00:56it could have been three years I don't know yeah it's been great I've just been I think when you're
01:00on the road all the time time stops and also moves fast and slow and it's all been very fun
01:06it's
01:06awesome yeah I mean it's it's been this like wild ride I feel like it keeps growing a song like
01:11sue me
01:11you know it started out you performed on Fallon you've performed it all over the world I even heard
01:16it in a trailer for the Oh High movie yeah and then all of a sudden now it made it
01:22say debut on the
01:23Billboard Hot 100 what has that been like for you like seeing are you surprised at all
01:27I mean I guess it just goes to show like how unpredictable the trajectory of any one song
01:34or album can be when that song was in its infancy really kind of bad demo stage I still thought
01:43it
01:43was gonna change my life yeah now now that it it sounds better now it has changed my life in
01:50many ways
01:50and I can believe it I want to go back in time though before who's the clown can you walk
01:56me
01:56through how you decided to write an album and how you decided to make this you know your first record
02:01I was just not really a songwriter really I was writing with my friend Gracie I don't know if
02:09anyone knows that um and uh yeah I just then started writing by myself I was I got signed I
02:17was
02:18publishing deal and started doing sessions and had some issues with the way it made me feel and so
02:26then as like uh well okay I didn't just you know I can still save today so it's 8 p
02:31.m. I just got home
02:32and I'm gonna just write a little for myself and it was mostly just an interest in doing it and
02:37I and I
02:37and I was having a lot of fun kind of like sometimes um and then when I started writing by
02:42myself I became really obsessed with it uh and it just all kind of it's wild I used to have
02:49the
02:49story down pat really well because I quickly started meeting record labels and it was so fun
02:54for me to kind of tell the story and now it's been a while since I've told it so I
02:59wish I could go back
03:00in time and tell the story when it was happening to me because I was just it was it was
03:06so crazy and
03:06it still is yeah these are the only 12 songs I've ever fully written by myself so that's I guess
03:13how
03:14I that's the album yeah and you haven't had the traditional like pop trajectory where you were
03:19actually writing in television for some time did you always know that you wanted to try music out too
03:24no not at all I always loved music and I was very passionate about pop music and I was actually
03:29thinking about this the other day I wish for some reason I think since I've started making my own
03:34music I have lost this sort of passion and spark that a song used to give me I don't actually
03:41listen
03:42to music as much as I used to I don't know why I wish I did but yeah I've always
03:50loved it and I had
03:51not ever tried writing music myself I didn't feel like I wanted to be a singer I didn't feel called
03:58to
03:58write music so when I started doing it I guess all of those opinions that I had been forming all
04:03those
04:03years uh came into play do you see any relation between your television writing and songs because
04:11I do notice there's an arc uh I don't think any of the songs on the album exceed like four
04:15minutes
04:15like they're really tight concise how do you think that kind of like bled into your music I think it's
04:21just my taste and my sensibilities I always say like the most magical thing about writing this album
04:27was it was my first time doing it and so um I felt I felt very sort of overcome by
04:36what I felt was
04:37the truth that is there are no rules to this as long as I can go to bed having written
04:43a chorus wake up
04:44and remember it as long as I feel it's catchy as long as I feel like I'm saying something true
04:50about
04:51myself or my life then it's a hit yeah I've been reading some interviews of yours lately and I was
04:59like laughing that we have a very similar story where oh do we I got a peer review of like
05:04a paper
05:05that I wrote in school and this like kid was reviewing my paper and he was like this is fine
05:09but you feel like it reads like you're talking like it's too casual and like it's not formal enough
05:14and it's not like academic enough and I like took that to heart and thought about it for years and
05:19then you had a very similar story and I was like wow I haven't thought about that in so long
05:23but I
05:24do see it in your writing too where you you've had a voice for a very long time well before
05:28the album
05:28yeah certainly I think that's um I remember talking to someone who's a writer established screenwriter
05:36um when I was still in college just to get advice she told me that I clearly had a personal
05:42voice
05:42but uh that I needed to work on my craft the voice has never been the issue for me but
05:47I think
05:48yeah just craft is equally important would you ever write a film or like any other outlets of that
05:55beyond music yeah definitely if someone wanted to do that with me yeah yeah what I love about sumi is
06:01that at times you do perform it twice in your show I always do yes yeah would you ever perform
06:07in the way of like two hollis and do it like 10 times in a row I would yeah I
06:13was playing a festival
06:14where I was only supposed to play it once that was like the slotted amount of time I had um
06:19but it
06:19was such an amazing it was electric picnic in um Ireland and it was so great that I did it
06:25again so
06:26that was I keep it I like to keep it to two but yeah maybe maybe one day I'll do
06:30more yeah and you
06:31know you've talked about the song now for over a year but I I do have to ask because the
06:34second it
06:35came out I had the most like first of all it's really just like a fun song but it will
06:39never not be
06:40genius to me that you rhymed Bacardi with Pilates yeah thank you yeah did that come like just
06:48instantly to you what was that like yeah well that that sumi was a really early song that I've written
06:53so I don't remember really what I was thinking I wasn't actually thinking too hard so there I have
07:01songs like bowling alley and sex in the city and then all of my like later songs that I would
07:07think
07:08really long and hard about sometimes borderline overthink but sumi yeah no there wasn't much
07:13thought going into that it just yeah natural sensibilities for rhyming yeah and you've said in
07:19the past that at times you'll be writing a song and it takes you like eight hours in a sitting
07:23walk me
07:24through your day when you're thinking about a single line like what are you are you sitting in
07:28the room still writing are you going about your day what does it look like it's usually I'm sitting
07:33in my room writing and then I'll just be stuck on one line for way too long I'll decide I
07:41have to
07:42get up and go do something else usually that something else is something very menial like
07:48laundry or walk or grocery store naturally once I decide I'm stopping this I'll just think about it
07:56and I'll either decide oh you know that third line wasn't so bad or oh this is what it is
08:01now and
08:02are you currently writing this next album I mean aren't I always yeah writing the story of my life
08:09yeah are you able to write on the road at all is that easy yeah I would say write is
08:14a broad term so
08:15yeah I'm able to write on the road you've spoken about Steve Martin influencing you can I ask how
08:21because I'm very curious about that it was really just that my dad was such a big fan of him
08:25okay so
08:26his comedy albums were playing a lot when I was a kid and my dad was always like this guy's
08:32the
08:32reason why I want to be a comedy writer this is the most genius comedian we have right when I
08:37was
08:37starting to write songs by myself I watched his documentary that's on Apple TV and I really liked
08:44the story of his early career where I'm probably botching it a little bit but it seems like he tried
08:51a few different personas and schticks on stage and when he decided to just sort of let his freak flag
08:58fly and be totally strange is when everything clicked and he got mega famous so um not saying
09:05that's what I want but I just thought that that was really cool and he is a genius is there
09:10any
09:10relation between him and like the nose glasses that yeah because the is the let's get small album
09:16yeah let's get small that's what my dad played a lot also I just think it's a classic sort of
09:20yeah joke something in like a bag of props and jokes and I also liked the idea when I was
09:27thinking
09:27about using them of like posing semi-sexually but then having that on my face I just thought that
09:33was funny and what about other comedians because I see I just saw the history of concrete the other
09:37day oh my god I'm going tomorrow morning it's really it's incredible I can't wait I did draw some
09:42parallel just in my mind while prepping for this about how you guys both have like this unmistakable
09:48aesthetic that's completely you you're comparing me to John Wilson I mean thank you only the way
09:54that it's like it's so different and it could only have been you that makes these songs yeah that's how
09:59I feel about him that's why I feel about like Nathan Fielder yes you know that's why that's my taste
10:03I feel like generally in music fashion and film I love comedians he yeah him Nathan Connor O'Malley
10:12like Dan Licata I saw Dan Licata live in LA he was prepping to do his comedy special where he
10:20was
10:20going to go back to I think his middle school and perform to just all of the boys at that
10:24middle
10:24school currently and it was so funny I like Joe Pera too like they're all kind of come from the
10:31same
10:31world you know it's like that kind of guy I really like that guy yeah if you don't know them
10:36you're
10:37like oh that seems just like awkward and then the more you get into it you're like this is actually
10:40like very intentional calculated humor yeah I don't I think a lot of people do find Nathan's
10:45like Nathan for Nathan for you the show uncomfortable and hard to watch I'm not that way like I I
10:51don't
10:52find it awkward or uncomfortable at all I think it's like devastatingly hilarious yeah and he's spoken
10:58about the differences between Nathan on Nathan for you and Nathan Fielder himself do you see any
11:03difference between like Audrey the performer and Audrey Hobart yourself I'm sure there's some
11:09differences um I probably the performer's a little bit more demonic I don't really know I don't think
11:14so when you've had like this this past year has been really you know life-changing for you at what
11:20point did you start getting like recognized in public oh if at all like do you does it happen
11:26no I've never been recognized in public I'm waiting for the day no definitely I can't remember
11:31but it's it's frequent it's all the time I can't leave my house what about like social media like
11:37what's your relationship with it like I noticed that um you use a brick which I'm really wanting
11:42to use lately it's fraught I would say I don't always like to make big blanket statements but I
11:49would go as far as to make the blanket statement that I think it's bad um more than it is
11:55good I
11:55know that sometimes people will list like 10 bad things about social media and then be like but it
11:59brings people together um and I'm like in what way I don't I mean I guess people may have met
12:04their
12:04friends via social media I can respect that but I remember before I was a singer I would often get
12:13really annoyed by singers specifically on Instagram I just was like can you get out of
12:19my face and now I feel that I'm just in people's faces too much so that is kind of the
12:24compass from
12:26which I move from I'm okay to be annoying in real life like not really but I would really hate
12:33to be
12:33annoying on social media so I try not to be I don't know it's cool to have followers and likes
12:37though
12:38so that always brightens my day thanks to my followers check out my next post that's that's a
12:44perfect sell do you read the comments or did you ever early on in your career well early on in
12:49my
12:49career I guess was last year yeah um I have read comments before I like to read comments on my
12:56music
12:57videos okay I feel physically gross if I keep reading comments like I my body will not allow me to
13:05and I just don't want to see something that might hurt my feelings so I just stay away but I
13:11did laugh
13:12that when you unbricked you said every time I unbrick I'm in hell yeah it's true the brick really
13:17shows you how just because I think when you're checking Instagram say like 20 times a day you're
13:23gonna see like one new post every time you check it but then when you bricked all day and you
13:28you're
13:29about to go to bed and you're just like I'm gonna unbrick for two seconds you see then 20 posts
13:34and
13:34you're just like I'm gonna actually it's like thrown in your face almost yeah it's just gross to
13:38everyone looks so no one knows how stupid they look including myself not to be that person that's
13:44like but it brings people together I did love the tiny desk performance yeah and that people were
13:50literally calling it Audrey Hobart day they're like happy that's awesome yeah your your reddit is like
13:55really like a fun place it's just like so many fans actively discovering your music so it's like such a
14:00nice positive place a year later after this album comes out what has it been like to gain fans
14:07continuously through things like tiny desk or this like billboard charting and you're performing and
14:12you're you're still on tour like has it just been like accumulating over time I think so I think
14:18spreading the good word sometimes feels no I think spreading the good word is worth any time that I'm
14:26like not in the mood to I I knew that like but the fact that I've gotten the chance to
14:31promote this
14:32album and the way that I have the opportunities I've gotten press wise it's just really amazing
14:37because I would have probably made something like this regardless any time that I can get up and talk
14:44about it or just show myself so that maybe I do something one second that intrigues you and you go
14:49check out my music um is always worth it I feel specifically very grateful for the way I've gotten
14:56to spread the word do you feel like this will a lot of this stuff of your fame and your
15:00past year will be in
15:01your head when you're making your second album has it gotten in the way already are you are you able
15:05to kind of tune it out yeah like of course yeah I'm gonna try I don't know I keep saying
15:12I'm gonna do
15:13this and do that but the truth is we just don't even know if tomorrow is guaranteed so true so
15:18I've
15:19said it before but I I think all I can do is like be present know what's bad for me
15:25know what's good
15:26for me try not to rot my brain out of my skull read books see movies spend time by myself
15:34spend time
15:35with my loved ones and um not become so concerned that uh I am not gonna make something as good
15:43as I
15:43did the first time uh the sophomore curse if manifesting is real and I think worry brings more
15:53of the same why worry like life is short life is also good so if it if it's bad that'll
15:59be my fault
16:00um and if it's good that will also be my fault there you go I love that you know you
16:05have done a lot of
16:07press for this album and I feel like you were asked constantly about Gracie Abrams I'm not gonna do that
16:12but what I do want to know is did you guys have conversations about you going into this next album
16:17and has she given you advice on like dealing with all the pressures of fame yeah of course she's been
16:22an amazing friend to me through this and I always say there's no one I would rather look to or
16:30know so
16:30personally just the way that she runs her business the way that she is creative her soul I just I
16:39feel
16:40it's it's very helpful just for me to watch her and watch how she's gone about all of this also
16:47she's really funny so it's just fun to crack jokes about how like silly this all is is it possible
16:52that
16:52there's a reality that you and your brother could both be nominated for Grammys this year
16:57oh have you thought about that at all yeah of course I've thought about that or like just the two
17:01over like the fact that like your mom would be like having a conversation with you about like
17:05which kid is going to win it's like kind of crazy oh yeah I mean that would be so cool
17:10did you grow up
17:11in like a musical family did you guys listen I know you mentioned Steve Martin but what kind of music
17:16did you listen to my parents are big music people my mom's a very good singer and my dad loves
17:23me like
17:23it was just the Beatles and musical theater like in the car it was either rubber soul or into the
17:30woods
17:30and I think that sums up yeah really influence yeah or the influence the Beatles oh um um but yeah
17:39it was a very musical household we all took piano lessons Malcolm taught himself bass and guitar I
17:45taught myself guitar we always had to sing at Christmas for the rest of our extended family and
17:51it just was always like oh god here we go have him sing again um but yeah yeah it's just
17:58very musical
17:58and what about country music because I do hear like some chicks lineage and yeah yeah the chicks
18:04was huge does Fleetwood Mac count I think that's because the record's right there that's what I was
18:08just thinking yeah yeah definitely country my my parents are always bumping country but I've really
18:13kind of found country I feel like on my own as an adult through like which artists many I like
18:18I like
18:18just pop country okay yeah and then that obviously brings up like Taylor Swift yeah what would you say
18:24your favorite Taylor album is Reputation I love okay and 1989 those two yeah 1989 was like the first
18:30time I really got into her and I feel like it holds up so well yeah I remember when she
18:35was releasing
18:35singles for 1989 I was in high school and I remember when out she put out Out of the Woods
18:41I think second
18:41after Shake It Off and I remember sitting on my couch after dance class and listening to Out of the
18:49Woods
18:49and being like this is different for her but I like it you've lived in LA your whole life do
18:54you
18:54think you'll stay there props I love it there what would you say is the most like LA thing about
18:59you
18:59probably my valley girl accent um I don't know what is an LA thing I like to go out to
19:04dinner
19:04I don't know maybe that's LA do you go to Erewhon at all of course I go to Erewhon of
19:09course I go to
19:09Erewhon I love it there I'm a member I wish I was a member do you live in LA no
19:14but when I go there a lot
19:16yeah imagine and they're always like are you a member and I'm like for the last time guys you
19:19know I'm not I don't even know what the benefits are I think it's that like you get to say
19:24it and
19:24it's yeah yeah or it's like the honestly it's kind of a nuisance because it's like being you know
19:29getting points that's you get points so but the thing is is an Erewhon when you're buying something
19:36at Erewhon it's always like more expensive than the amount of points you have and so they're like do
19:41you want to spend your points or keep racking them up and I'm like I guess keep racking them up
19:45so what can you eventually get with them that's the thing maybe one day when I have 300 to 600
19:51dollars I'll do like a full grocery shop there I usually just go and get a jar of peanut butter
19:55and blah so maybe one day I'll do a full shop there and just keep racking up my points and
19:59like what
20:00else do you do in LA because I know that you sometimes go to psychics and get tarot readings
20:04is that right I didn't know actually I went to a Burberry dinner in for Valentine's Day and there
20:11was a tarot card reader there okay it was one time but she did tell me that this summer I
20:15was
20:15gonna blow up and she was right you have a bunch of shows in New York coming up what is
20:20like
20:20performing to a New York crowd is it any different it's been a while so yeah I did a really
20:24small tour
20:25in December of last year it was the one I was most excited for this is my last leg that
20:30I'm about to
20:31embark on it's short it's it's gonna be fun and I get to play three nights at Brooklyn Paramount so
20:37I think it's gonna be the closest I've ever felt to doing like glee regionals like I don't know I
20:43just like there's gonna be a lot of cool people there and um I've been doing this show all year
20:48I've never been more ready and I'm gonna just yeah I'm very excited I imagine at this point you could
20:55do like the trampoline and the stilts like totally blindfolded if you wanted definitely the stilts but
20:59the trampoline always is every night before I start jumping I'm like what is this about to be and
21:04you've consistently done this every show right even when you're feeling like a little off oh yeah
21:08like a cold or something at this point I have not canceled a show um that was a goal of
21:13mine that's
21:14amazing I know and I've been sick but I haven't been like the flu it's it's not been terrible my
21:19show is
21:20so this one thing and every night I put on the show that I wrote in my head and I
21:27I would never not
21:28jump on that trampoline just because I wasn't in the mood or not get on that ladder because I wasn't
21:32in
21:32the mood it's it's what I feel I have committed to doing this show and and that's what I want
21:39to do
21:39I'm curious about the genesis of the show and how you came up with this because it's obviously
21:44different but it's so I mean I've been using this word a lot but it's like very calculated and
21:48perfectly timed like it's so tight at this point you have it down as you said how did you come
21:53up with
21:53this whole concept when I knew I was gonna tour like after the album it was basically like clockwork
21:58where I couldn't even conceive of putting on a show until literally the day after my album came
22:04out I woke up and just started having ideas and I knew that that was the next step so for
22:09a few months
22:09I would naturally let myself think about it and have ideas and then when we got to like a month
22:14and a half
22:15out from rehearsals I uh sat down and just put together all the ideas that I'd had over those few
22:22months and added some things and I was very sure about the order of songs and the pacing and where
22:29I'd speak where I wouldn't speak and blah blah what about your music videos because those are equally
22:33just like so impressive yes my music videos are so fun to make it's kind of the aspect of this
22:40that
22:41weird I mean it's a very stressful thing to kind of make a music video happen there's a lot of
22:45moving
22:46parts yeah always even just like the pre-production process it's like oh zero we're gonna shoot this is how
22:50much money we have whatever it's the most stress-free it just feels like it's pure collaboration and I've
22:57met such amazing people making these music videos that are all my age and everyone is interested and
23:03committed if only for you know the 24 hours we're the day we're shooting it's just pure expression and
23:10I again I like to do something a little bit different each time and I just like to have fun
23:15point blank period
23:16and I love the video for bowling alley and how if I have it right when you wrote the song
23:20it wasn't
23:20initially like thought of as like the bowling alley right well no I just sort of like I didn't set
23:25out to write a song about a bowling alley yeah and now there's really adorable fans coming to your
23:30shows with like bowling pins on their heads I know like that's great you've as you just said met a
23:37lot
23:37of people I imagine this year I imagine at this point doors have opened to do like other collaborations
23:41for this album for my next album yeah are you still going to keep your like group of producers are
23:46you going to like expand a little more do you think I definitely will always work with Ricky we
23:50just have so much fun together it's the reason why I wanted to work with him in the first place
23:54because I had been in this cycle of meeting a lot of producers and he just stood out as a
24:02human being
24:03to me and I knew that it was going to be long days and true commitment and I just knew
24:11from the time
24:12I met him that if I'm going to do this with anyone it's going to be him he's so gifted
24:16musically he
24:18is so funny he's so smart I could spend hours and hours and hours and hours with him and I
24:24have and I
24:25will and was it always intended to have silver jubilee and the album well that was the last song I
24:29wrote
24:30for the album so I needed one more song I wanted to write a closer because I was actually closing
24:35the
24:36chapter of writing this album so how many times were you asked about watching the show friends because of
24:40the song Phoebe I think I've probably been asked 200 times if I if I watch friends and I love
24:44that
24:45you didn't even finish the show right no you don't really need to yeah I mean I think it's a
24:49great
24:49show again I would never pay homage to something that I didn't think was a timeless classic but no I
24:54I know do you ever think about what your career would have been a year ago if you had not
25:00done music
25:01and you kept doing tv writing I no I don't really think about that well I think about like what
25:06if I
25:06were less busy or what if I were still feeling somewhat directionless but it's safe to say I
25:13have not looked back I'm catching you at such a different time it's like so much is still happening
25:18have you thought about like do the grammys is it important to you like do you try not to worry
25:23or
25:23think about it or are you thinking about it I'm definitely a dreamer I love and have loved since I
25:29was a
25:29child award shows I just watch every single one I love watching people win awards I got to go
25:35to the grammys with gracie she took me in 2024 it was the best night of my life it was
25:40charlie and
25:41sabrina and chapel and dochi and that was the summer of all no it was I cried the entire night
25:47they kept bringing me champagne I couldn't see straight I was telling people things I was telling
25:52people crazy things it was the best night of my life so um I just love award I just love
25:57award shows
25:58they're so fun so if you did it again and you went this time would you still I mean I
26:02still would
26:03have a bunch of champagne I feel like yeah I mean I like to have fun but I think when
26:08it comes to
26:09champagne and stuff in those settings it's like there's a clear time where I'm like I'm gonna let
26:13loose and then there's a clear time where I know I'll be better off if I don't which is sounds
26:17like
26:17an Audrey Hobart song right yeah literally next year you're opening for charlie xcx which you know
26:23sorry at the grammys it's kind of like a full circle moment how did that happen did she like
26:28reach out to you and ask yeah she knocked on my door and um it was like you guys just
26:34like hung
26:34out yeah it was super cool no I mean I just have been silently to myself all year really obsessed
26:41with
26:42her like really into brat this year her new album was my favorite favorite thing I remember when it
26:50came out I was in Columbus Ohio and I took a walk through this park that was nearby my hotel
26:55and it
26:55didn't have a clear path so I kept having to walk in zigzags and I was just listening to that
26:59album
26:59and it's always a good sign it's like the highest compliment I feel like I can pay is when I'm
27:04listening to something and then I just start being like I want to write a song like I just was
27:08so
27:08inspired by it and Von Dutch plays before I take the stage these are all just things that like it's
27:14just
27:14been my year of charlie and then to cap it all off with an offer to open I just yeah
27:19it was very
27:19crazy it makes me think like god the devil works in mysterious ways and I this wasn't something that
27:26I was like screaming from the rooftops I want this I didn't even know if it was an option um
27:31and then
27:31it happened so I'm very very excited and I saw the show at Lollapalooza and thought it was
27:36so amazing I just saw it last week yeah it was just unreal yeah she's just like Mick Jagger she's
27:41she's a rock star yeah and a pop star and an artist what other albums this year have you enjoyed
27:47I
27:47know you said you hadn't been listening to a lot of music but yeah I really don't listen to music
27:50that much I'm trying to think well my brother put an album out this year that is so amazing
27:56Gracie put an album out this year it's so amazing listening to all of that and then I
28:01listen to Tapestry by Carole King a lot because it just puts me in a good mood that's an amazing
28:05answer though I don't think that album will ever get old no it's a it's hit for hit for hit
28:11for
28:11there's not a bad song on that album what would you say is like your favorite one on there
28:14mine changes a lot beautiful oh my god I wish that Phoebe was beautiful you know like it's
28:21well I put that record on when I'm cleaning my house and whenever that song comes on I just sing
28:26along and I smile and it gives me confidence and brings me joy I think that might be the most
28:30LA
28:31thing about you that you're around in your house in LA listening to Tapestry probably that see I didn't
28:36even like I'm always going LA derogatory but that's very LA positive there you go that's amazing
28:40thank you so much for coming in today I loved it yes um and I cannot wait to watch your
28:45show next
28:45week me too I mean I can't wait I can't wait to perform I can't wait that you're watching
28:48yeah thank you thank you