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US Secretary of State Marco Rubio discusses the India-US bilateral relationship, stating that both nations are close to finalising an interim trade deal to provide continuity for businesses. Rubio addresses energy security, Washington's short-term purchase of Russian diesel, global crude oil supply, and potential refining ties linked to Reliance's Jamnagar refinery. He clarifies that updated US visa regulations apply globally and notes that relations with Pakistan will not compromise strategic ties with India. An expert panel further examines US sanctions, oil waivers, the Lindsey Graham Act, and potential trade tariffs. The bulletin also covers a political controversy in New Delhi after visual artist Rehan Vadra alleged that around 70 protest photographs were removed from his solo exhibition at Bikaner House, prompting allegations of censorship from Congress and counterclaims from the BJP. Finally, the report highlights US President Donald Trump's claim regarding Google CEO Sundar Pichai.
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00:00Good evening, hello and welcome. You're with the news today, your primetime destination news,
00:05newsmakers, talking points. It's Thursday night and we have a special exclusive.
00:10The US Secretary of State Marco Rubio talking to Raj Chengappa of India today.
00:16Is Donald Trump now reaching out to India is the big question and should India be trusting
00:22what Donald Trump and his representatives say? That's the big focus tonight.
00:27But first, as always, it's time for the Nine Headlines at 9.
00:32The US Secretary of State Marco Rubio speaking to India today says the trade deal with India
00:39will happen very soon. Rubio asserts that ties with Pakistan won't be at the cost of India.
00:46Also stresses on India's refining capability and the need to expand into Venezuelan oil.
00:57Home Minister Amit Shah's big attack on Rahul Gandhi's foreign trips and vote-chori charge
01:03claims Congress won't return to power for the next 30 years.
01:06Congress hits back, claims over 10 crore Indians may be losing their voting rights and Shah is silent.
01:17Election body in Uttar Pradesh orders legal action against officials responsible for discrepancies
01:23in the electoral rolls of the Pilibit Assembly Constituencies.
01:27FIR filed against SDM of Pilibit.
01:30All this taking place ahead of key elections in UP in a few months from now.
01:37Political heat rises after Rehan Vardra's protest photos are removed from an exhibition at Bikaner House.
01:45Congress alleges censorship. Bikaner House claims photos violated policies.
01:51BJP says Gandhis want to now launch Rehan.
01:57Delhi police denies nod to Diljit Dosanj's concert on 30th October security reasons cited.
02:04AAP alleges bias against him.
02:06CJP chief Dipke Vaitzin asks, is government now scared of concerts too?
02:14Influencer who racially abused Tripura youth in the national capital arrested.
02:19Accused Ameer Shaukeen, booked by the Delhi and Tripura cops, Shaukeen had earlier apologised after a backlash.
02:29Days after being targeted, Tiger Shroff releases the first video showing his injured arm with gunpowder burn marks.
02:36Probe reveals attackers had wrecked Ranbir Kapoor's house also after Salman Khan.
02:45Pollution season is back. Air, quality in Delhi and Mumbai worsens.
02:49MCD house on Delhi turns into a battleground amidst the debate over who is responsible for the foul air.
02:58Israeli Prime Minister Netanyahu speaks to Prime Minister Modi, invites him and Captain Smith Marcher for lighting a torch on
03:06Israel's Independence Day next year.
03:08Both also discussed the current situation in West Asia.
03:28But our top focus tonight is an exclusive interview with Team Trump.
03:33Two key members, U.S. Secretary of State Marco Rubio and U.S. Ambassador to India Sergio Gaur.
03:39From in India, U.S. ties to global energy scenarios to terrorism,
03:43Rubio spoke on a wide range of issues in a conversation with India Today's Raj Chengappa.
03:49Here are 10 big takeaways.
03:51Rubio claims India and the U.S. are very close to a trade deal.
03:55He's defended America's diesel deal with Russia, claiming that it benefits the entire world.
04:01Rubio says purchasing Venezuelan oil will help India diversify its energy sources.
04:08Rubio claims he went to see Jamnagar's Reliance refinery to see how the world's largest refinery works.
04:15He also claimed that Reliance is investing in expanding refining capabilities in U.S.
04:21and its investment in Brownsville should be online by 2029.
04:25Rubio insisted that the visa rule changes announced by the Trump administration are not targeted at India or Indians.
04:33Rubio has defended America's relationship with Pakistan,
04:36but added that U.S. ties with Pakistan are not at the expense of U.S.-India ties.
04:42Marco Rubio says Russia-Ukraine war is mostly about the Donbass region now,
04:46and he added that only diplomacy can end the war.
04:51We'll be joined by special guests on this big interview,
04:54but first, let's play what Marco Rubio said.
04:58Excerpts of it up ahead.
05:00Take a look.
05:06President Trump had said that India and the U.S. are pretty close to sign an agreement,
05:11and it would be different.
05:13What I'd like to know, is Washington willing to give India the competitive tariff advantage
05:17it is seeking for this interim trade agreement?
05:20Well, I'm not going to get into the specifics of any agreement until they're done,
05:23because there's still a number of items being negotiated, although very few.
05:26So we're very close, and I anticipate I can't foresee anything that will keep us from reaching agreement,
05:31but there's still some items that are being discussed.
05:33So I'd prefer not to go into the details of it until it's all fully worked out.
05:37Suffice it to say that once this deal is done,
05:39it has to be one that's beneficial to both countries,
05:42and that's what I anticipate it will be.
05:44And I think the concern is that India expects continuity rather than unpredictability,
05:49and there is a super 301 provision hovering around.
05:54So could we expect that there'll be continuity and not, you know,
05:57continuously have to revise our tax?
05:59Well, that's the point.
06:00The point of having an agreement is to be able to have certainty
06:03so that people know they can invest,
06:05people know what the rules are that are going to govern terrain and commerce between the two countries.
06:08That's the very purpose of having a deal.
06:11And so that's what we're working towards,
06:13and I feel very optimistic that we're going to get to a very good place very soon.
06:16When it comes to the investment relationship,
06:19where do you see the next big wave of American investment coming into India,
06:23and in which sectors do you think that will be?
06:24Look, our bilateral trade is at an all-time high.
06:28Our bilateral trade 15 years ago used to be $20 billion.
06:31Today it's $240 billion.
06:33And it goes both ways.
06:34You have incredible investment coming into the United States.
06:36The president recently hosted SR and Oval Office.
06:39They're opening incredible facilities,
06:41multi-billion-dollar facilities in the United States
06:43that are creating jobs in local communities for Americans.
06:46On the other hand, this is a win-win situation.
06:49We have American companies that have moved here,
06:51especially relating to IT.
06:53Now, when they move here, that complements a job back home also.
06:56This is not a one-way street.
06:58And so our goal is to keep increasing that bilateral trade
07:01and identify those win-win situations.
07:04Okay.
07:04Moving to Energy Secretary Rubio,
07:06can you please elaborate on the national interest cited by President Trump
07:10for the U.S. to buy Russian diesel
07:14and also a waiver of sanctions for India to buy Russian crude oil
07:18when earlier we were actually penalized for doing this?
07:21Well, a couple points.
07:21The first is, right now, you're looking at global economy.
07:24All foreign policy has to be balanced holistically.
07:26You can't just look at everything to the lens of one country or one conflict.
07:30And right now, while we remain very concerned
07:32and are doing all we can to bring an end to the war between Russia and Ukraine,
07:35we also recognize the impact that that war is having on the global economy,
07:39in addition to what we've seen in the Straits of Hormuz
07:41and now increasingly the Red Sea.
07:42And so I think the president made a very wise decision,
07:45which is to, for some short period of time,
07:48allow there to be additional energy flows into the global marketplace,
07:51not just to benefit us.
07:52Obviously, it helps the United States,
07:54but also diesel prices are high all over the world.
07:56In the case of India, look,
07:58India has made real progress in diversifying its portfolio of energy.
08:02And it's done so not because of threats or anything of that nature.
08:05It's in India's interest to diversify its portfolio,
08:07where it gets energy from.
08:08You never want to be overly dependent on one country versus another.
08:11So it was already on that trajectory to begin with.
08:14So it's not so much about buying less Russian oil
08:16than it is about buying more U.S. crude or Venezuelan
08:19or others from the Western Hemisphere.
08:21I think that's in India's interests.
08:23And obviously, we want to help facilitate it.
08:25And more importantly, where India has real capability
08:27is the capability to ramp up refining,
08:30which crude oil is great,
08:32but you need to refine it in order for it to be a usable product.
08:35And I think India has the capacity and the capability
08:37not just to refine more,
08:39but to, in a very short order,
08:41have the kinds of investments
08:42that would allow it to expand its refining capability even further.
08:46And that's why you went to Jamnagar,
08:47and was it to enhance energy cooperation between India and the U.S.?
08:50Well, we already have energy cooperation.
08:52It's more important to go see the facility
08:54and see how they're operating
08:55and understand a little bit more about how it works.
08:57It's a very impressive facility.
08:58But it also happens to be a company
09:00that has an investment in the United States in Brownsville
09:03that is hopefully going to be online by 2029.
09:06So it was a good opportunity to interact with a company
09:08that's investing in expanding refining capability
09:11in the United States
09:12at the same time as a facility
09:14that I think could play a role
09:15in helping refine more crude from the Western Hemisphere
09:18and thereby allowing the world
09:20to diversify away from the Middle East.
09:22I want to continue with this question of energy.
09:25And if you look at India recently opening up
09:28its civil nuclear sector for private investment,
09:31particularly in the small modular reactors
09:33that we're talking about,
09:35do you see now finally a breakthrough moment
09:37for American investment in technology in India?
09:40We've had incredible momentum on that.
09:42And as you know, things take time.
09:44But to the government's credit,
09:46here's the Prime Minister Modi's credit,
09:48the Shanty Bill passed,
09:49which enables SMRs and private technology
09:51and this new equipment to be able to come to India.
09:57And so there has been some regulation challenges.
09:59Nothing gets done overnight.
10:00These are very complex issues.
10:02And they'll set up the relationship
10:03for decades to come, right?
10:04But India is one of the first places
10:06that the United States is looking at possibly
10:08to have our first SMRs internationally.
10:10And so we're on an incredible path there.
10:13We've had meetings in Washington.
10:14We've had meetings on this in Delhi.
10:15We've had some meetings right here in Mumbai
10:18because that regulatory agency for India
10:19is based here on that.
10:20So it is moving in the right direction.
10:22I do think we'll get there on that soon also.
10:25Being in the process of re-industrializing itself, right?
10:30And in that context,
10:32shouldn't it be welcoming highly skilled Indian professionals
10:35as in the past,
10:36rather than hiking the prices for their work visas
10:38and also for Indian students?
10:40Well, but that's a change in our immigration laws,
10:43and it's not one that's built on India.
10:45It's not one that's focused on India.
10:46It happens to impact Indians
10:48that want to come to the United States and work
10:49and that our businesses are trying to bring in.
10:51But it's not geared towards India.
10:52It is global.
10:54In fact, there's no meeting in the world that I do
10:56that they don't raise some visa issue.
10:58The United States has had a broken immigration system.
11:00We've had a system in which,
11:02maybe not in this program, but in others,
11:04we had 20 million people unlawfully
11:05enter the country across our border.
11:07We've had business-related immigration programs
11:11that in many cases have been rampant fraud and abuse
11:13and have been misused in ways that have not made sense.
11:16We have tensions in our own society.
11:18I mean, what country in the world people would not react
11:21if they see that some of the best jobs in the country
11:23are being taken from people that are coming from abroad.
11:25So these things have to be addressed,
11:27and we're trying to address them,
11:28but they're not aimed at India.
11:29They apply to any country, every country in the world.
11:32That's true on trade.
11:33That's true on immigration.
11:34I know that for countries that are perhaps disproportionately impacted
11:38by a policy change in the United States,
11:40it may feel like it's being targeted, but it's not.
11:43We're going to get it right,
11:44and we're going to have a system that works for our economy
11:46and for the American people.
11:47In the end, I will say this.
11:49I expect that the government of India
11:51will always put the people of India first
11:53and that you will always put the national interest of India first.
11:56But I also hope everyone understands that the United States
11:59under President Trump is going to put our people first,
12:01our workers first, and our country first.
12:03And where I think friends can work together
12:05is when there are differences on this,
12:07our existing, our common interests,
12:09our longstanding relationship, and our shared values
12:12will allow us to work through some of those differences
12:14to reach outcomes that are positive for both countries.
12:17What is America doing to assure India
12:19that its current closer ties with Pakistan
12:23will not come at the expense of India's fight against terrorism?
12:27Well, first of all, the United States
12:28has to have a relationship with as many countries in the world as possible
12:30because we have a global presence
12:32and a global interest in anything that's going on.
12:35So our relationship with Pakistan is not new.
12:39I think it's just developed in a way that allows us to have,
12:41hopefully, more influence over the decisions they make
12:45on a variety of topics.
12:46In no way does the relationship with Pakistan
12:48come at the expense of our relationship with India.
12:51We share the same concerns India does about terrorism.
12:54We have been victims of terrorism, as India has been,
12:57and we continue to, in fact, no country in the world does more
13:00to go after terrorism in the United States than the United States.
13:03It was the United States under President Trump
13:05that destroyed ISIS or Daesh in the Middle East.
13:07It's the United States that eroded al-Qaeda.
13:09It's the United States that went in and eliminated Bin Laden.
13:13It's the United States that's gone in now
13:15and unfortunately has had to go into parts of Africa
13:18and take on these elements as well.
13:20So I don't think any country in the world
13:21has shown a greater commitment to go after the terrorism,
13:24terrorism, global terrorism, the United States has done.
13:27And that includes many of the same sort of ideologies
13:29that also threaten India.
13:31President Putin said yesterday that Russia was willing
13:34for a tripartite meeting with the U.S.
13:36and Ukraine over ending the war.
13:38What do you see as a realistic path
13:40to ending the Russia-Ukraine conflict?
13:43Well, it's a very difficult conflict to end.
13:45I know the president has dedicated
13:46a tremendous amount of time to it.
13:49We have people that do nothing all day
13:50but work on trying to find a way to make a difference
13:52and bridge those differences.
13:54I would just say to you that that war,
13:55while people keep talking about it's a war in Ukraine,
13:57that war is about Donbass.
13:58It's about one region of the country.
13:59At its core, it's about 11% of one part of that country
14:03that Russia wants and cannot take militarily
14:06and that Ukraine is unwilling to give up.
14:09And they have the reasons why they don't want to do that
14:11for sovereignty and their own security long-term.
14:14And so the question is whether there's some accommodation
14:16that both sides will have to make some concessions
14:19in order to bring an end to the war.
14:20This war is not going to be solved militarily.
14:22This war is only going to end diplomatically.
14:24And the question is, can you arrive at an outcome
14:27in which both sides receive something, a benefit,
14:30but also give concessions and bring this to an end?
14:32So it's been difficult.
14:33But I can tell you this, as hard as it is,
14:35it is impossible to do unless both sides
14:38are at the table talking.
14:39And we're happy to play the mediating role in that regard.
14:41So that's really what we're trying to do.
14:43Not claiming that just getting them in the room
14:45is going to solve this problem,
14:46but we have no chance to solve it
14:47if we can't get them in the room.
14:49I'm glad you mentioned the Quad
14:50because how do you see, Secretary, the Quad evolving,
14:54particularly in the face of China's growing assertiveness?
14:57And what more can India and the United States do together
15:01to secure critical supply chains
15:04and reduce their dependence on China?
15:05Well, just on the Quad point,
15:07it's a relationship and it's a construct that we've developed.
15:10It's actually the first meeting I ever did
15:11as Secretary of State.
15:12It was a Quad meeting.
15:13I think we've had more Quad meetings
15:14in the last year and a half
15:15than probably the previous four years combined
15:18at the foreign ministry level.
15:19And I understand now,
15:21and we're going to have a leaders-level meeting now
15:23very shortly, probably in December at some point,
15:25and we try to arrange even more
15:27before the end of President Trump's terms.
15:29He's got two and a half years left.
15:30So this is a very important relationship,
15:32but I think it's important,
15:33not just because we have four countries
15:35that are coordinated with one another.
15:36We're beginning to see outcomes.
15:37We're beginning to see results.
15:39As an example, maritime awareness,
15:41the ability to know what's happening under the water,
15:43threatening cables and so forth.
15:45This is something that the Quad is working together on
15:47and real things are happening.
15:49I think the same is true.
15:50I think it's an area of cooperation
15:52that we can have
15:52when it comes to supply chains writ large.
15:54The one thing I think is a consistent theme
15:57across the world,
15:58but certainly in the U.S.-India relationship,
16:00is we do not want to be overly dependent
16:02on any country in the world.
16:04I'm not singling out China.
16:05I'm saying any country in the world.
16:06We don't want to depend on any single country in the world
16:09for 90% of anything that's critical to our economies.
16:11And we have to have the domestic capacity
16:13to do certain things for ourselves.
16:15I think that's an interest India has.
16:17That's certainly an interest the United States has
16:19under President Trump.
16:20And I think that's something we can work together on.
16:22And that is,
16:22where can we create domestic capabilities
16:26in a mutually beneficial way
16:27for both countries on various key sectors,
16:30be it artificial intelligence or technology
16:32or biomedicine or pharmaceuticals?
16:35I mean, the list goes on.
16:36And on critical minerals,
16:37obviously everybody talks about those.
16:40Okay, you heard that interview.
16:43You can read the whole interview
16:44in the latest India Today magazine.
16:46But the big questions,
16:47is Donald Trump now,
16:49through the likes of Marco Rubio,
16:51reaching out to India?
16:53Business first for Team Trump,
16:55which is why Marco Rubio went to the Reliance refinery.
16:59India Inc. as a result,
17:00getting a role in U.S.-India ties.
17:02And that big question that we keep asking,
17:05can India trust the Trump administration,
17:08given the blow-hot-blow-cold nature of it?
17:11Joining me now,
17:12Raj Chengappa,
17:13Group Editorial Director,
17:14Publishing at India Today Group,
17:15who did that interview.
17:17Amitabh Khan is ex-Sherpa
17:21and former CEO Neeti Aayog,
17:23and Javed Ashraf,
17:24Chairman ITPO
17:25and former Ambassador of India
17:27to France and Monaco.
17:28I'm also going to be joined later
17:30by Mark Linscott.
17:31He's Senior Advisor,
17:32Trade Policy
17:33and former Assistant U.S. Trade Representative.
17:36But I want to start with my guests from India.
17:38And I want to start with this whole buzz
17:40that we are close to a trade deal.
17:43Amitabh Khan,
17:44why don't you kick off?
17:45Because we've been hearing this
17:46for the last 12 months.
17:47We are close to a trade deal,
17:49but it hasn't happened.
17:50Do you think something has changed objectively
17:53for the U.S. now to be closing in on a deal?
17:56And can this be really a win-win deal?
18:00I think in this particular case,
18:03Rajdeep, patience is a virtue.
18:05We should just wait
18:08for the midterm polls
18:10to get over in the United States of America.
18:13The important thing to understand is
18:15that after the Supreme Court verdict
18:18in the United States,
18:19India is exporting to the U.S.
18:22at 10% duty.
18:24Most of our exporters
18:25are actually front-loading exports
18:28and exports to the United States are growing.
18:30And they are expanding.
18:33If you get into a trade deal,
18:35you will get in from a 10%
18:37to an 18% duty rate.
18:40All this has to be linked up
18:42to a much larger play.
18:44And that play is
18:45that the Lindsay Graham exemption
18:49is for 60 days,
18:51which demonstrates
18:53neither predictability
18:55nor consistency
18:56in America's policy.
18:58The only thing
18:59consistent about American policy
19:02towards India so far
19:04has been its inconsistency.
19:07And therefore,
19:07my view in the long term
19:10is that
19:11while America is a very important market,
19:14while America is
19:15a $30 trillion economy,
19:17it accounts for about
19:1848% of the market cap,
19:20America must realize
19:22that India needs
19:25a consistent policy
19:26over a long period of time.
19:28It needs a policy
19:30which will demonstrate
19:32the Trump administration's
19:34willingness to partner India,
19:37and it must be
19:37a win-win relationship.
19:39It can't be a relationship
19:41where we are penalized
19:46for ensuring
19:47our energy security.
19:49Much as America
19:50believes in America first,
19:53India must believe
19:54in its energy security
19:55and its national interest.
19:57And for our policies,
19:58India must have
19:59India first.
20:01That is important.
20:02And we should wait out.
20:04We should clearly wait
20:06for the midterm polls
20:07to get over.
20:08We should clearly wait
20:09for the Lindsay Graham
20:1160 days exemption
20:12to get over
20:13before we commit
20:15to anything
20:15as far as
20:16the United States
20:17is concerned.
20:18Yavid Ashraf,
20:19your view,
20:20because trade has emerged
20:21as a visible source
20:22of discord
20:23and asymmetry.
20:24The US has been
20:25consistently seeking access
20:27to India's dairy
20:28and agriculture sectors
20:30in the ongoing
20:30trade negotiations.
20:32India was being pushed
20:34by the Americans
20:35not to buy Russian oil.
20:38the fact is
20:39it's only now
20:40because of America's
20:42own precarious condition
20:43when it comes to
20:44energy security
20:45that they've agreed
20:46to lift sanctions.
20:47It comes back to it.
20:49Do we trust the Americans
20:50when they say
20:50we are close to a trade deal
20:52it'll be win-win
20:53or do we have to be
20:54as Amitabh Kant
20:55is suggesting
20:56a little cautious
20:57and patient?
21:00Well, Rajdeep,
21:01the first question
21:02point I wanted to make
21:04and I'd make
21:04three points here.
21:05One is that
21:05since the transformation
21:07of India-US relations
21:08began and I've been
21:09working on it
21:10since 1999
21:11the same set
21:12of trade issues
21:13were always there.
21:14We've always had
21:15these irritants
21:16but they were
21:17in a sense
21:17set aside
21:18in the larger
21:18strategic dimensions
21:20of the partnership
21:21on building
21:22a sort of
21:23a relationship
21:24that served
21:25shared strategic objectives
21:27as it was seen
21:28in the earlier days
21:30also with regard
21:32to a civil
21:34nuclear agreement
21:35space
21:35and all of those
21:36things
21:36were the dominant
21:37issues
21:37defense cooperation
21:38etc.
21:40But now that has
21:41changed in the
21:42United States
21:43too.
21:43The strategic altruism
21:44that the United States
21:45actually practiced
21:46is no longer there.
21:48For the US
21:49the overarching
21:50global goals
21:50has become
21:51US primacy
21:53rather than serving
21:54or underwriting
21:55global public goods
21:56or upholding
21:57an international
21:57liberal order
21:58and its also
21:59strategy has changed
22:01to coercive use
22:02of its asymmetric
22:03power
22:04to extract benefits
22:06from its allies
22:07or from its adversaries.
22:09So almost every
22:10ally of the United States
22:11every partner
22:12of the United States
22:13has had a rough deal
22:14and that may stem
22:15from all the
22:17interviews
22:17that you've heard
22:19so far
22:19from everyone else
22:21that the United States
22:22actually believes
22:23that trade deficit
22:25is theft
22:25that it has nothing
22:26to do with
22:26macroeconomic
22:27and remember
22:28the United States
22:29has a trade deficit
22:30with almost every
22:31industrial East country
22:32and we have
22:34had a trade
22:36surplus
22:37and the United States
22:38is actually
22:39the largest
22:39exporters
22:40accrued
22:41it's extracts
22:41it's not
22:42even an advanced
22:43industrial manufacturing
22:44and let me tell you
22:45also something
22:45which is important
22:47for people to remember
22:48United States
22:50despite being
22:50an AI leader
22:51today
22:51imported
22:52$260 billion
22:53worth of
22:54AI related equipment
22:56mainly from Asia
22:57and it exported
22:58only $37 billion
22:59there's a structural
23:00problem
23:01but what are we
23:02dealing with
23:02two sets of issues
23:03one
23:04there is
23:05we are defending
23:06and opening
23:07open access
23:08that we've had
23:09United States
23:10is trying to
23:10pry open that market
23:12the second is
23:13that the stakes
23:14are much higher
23:14for us
23:15than it's for
23:15the United States
23:16India is just
23:173% of US
23:19exports
23:202-2.5%
23:21United States
23:22is 17%
23:23of our exports
23:24so there's
23:24an asymmetry
23:25of stakes
23:26that also
23:26puts pressure
23:27on the way
23:28we enter
23:28into negotiations
23:29and whether
23:31we can
23:31or cannot
23:32conclude
23:33a trade
23:33agreement
23:34will depend
23:34on a number
23:35of issues
23:35one of course
23:36that there's
23:37been a lack
23:37of consistency
23:39in the United States
23:40you've seen
23:41what's happened
23:42to South Korea
23:43Canada
23:43and many other
23:44countries
23:45which sought
23:45to enter a deal
23:46number one
23:47number two
23:48is that
23:48we would need
23:50certain
23:50clear guarantees
23:51on the following
23:52things
23:53one
23:53that there
23:54will be
23:54a sunset
23:55clause
23:55two
23:55that we
23:56will not
23:57be at a
23:58disadvantage
23:58vis-a-vis
23:59other competitors
24:00which means
24:01that you don't
24:02set a tariff
24:02for us today
24:03and change it
24:03the next day
24:04for somebody
24:04else
24:05which puts
24:06us at a
24:06disadvantage
24:07third
24:07you're not
24:08going to
24:08use
24:09withdraw
24:10what you
24:10have given
24:11us
24:11simply
24:11because
24:12you think
24:12that we're
24:13not happy
24:13but important
24:14point
24:15and this
24:15is
24:15the unilateral
24:17measures
24:17that they
24:18have
24:18section
24:19122
24:20201
24:21232
24:22301
24:23and 338
24:24and 338
24:25is so omnibus
24:26it doesn't
24:27require
24:27investigations
24:28it doesn't
24:29have any
24:29time limit
24:30so you have
24:31to basically
24:31guard yourself
24:32against all
24:33this
24:33now that's
24:34as far as
24:34trade is
24:35concerned
24:36then of course
24:37you also have
24:38this issue
24:38which has been
24:39a social
24:40bridge between
24:40the relationship
24:41and has actually
24:42been a
24:43foundational
24:43principle
24:44pillar
24:45which is
24:45the professionals
24:47from India
24:48and students
24:48from India
24:49have gone
24:49there and
24:50that bridge
24:50is getting
24:51ruptured
24:51slowly
24:52so all
24:53of these
24:53things are
24:53going to
24:54have an
24:54impact
24:55on the
24:56way we
24:57work on
24:57the trade
24:58clearly there
24:58will be
24:59an effort
24:59to reach
25:00a trade
25:00agreement
25:01before
25:01Prime Minister
25:02goes to
25:02the United
25:03States
25:03in December
25:04for the
25:04G20
25:05now but
25:06some of
25:06those
25:07issues
25:08will remain
25:08very important
25:09it's politically
25:10difficult in
25:11India also
25:11just as it
25:12is politically
25:13challenging
25:14for the United
25:15States
25:15or to
25:16achieve
25:17the goal
25:17is to
25:18achieve
25:18these
25:18agreements
25:19so I
25:20would say
25:21that we
25:21do
25:22proceed with
25:23caution
25:23now the
25:25other thing
25:25that we are
25:26looking at
25:26is this
25:26energy issue
25:27now clearly
25:28I'll come
25:29to the
25:29energy issue
25:30I'll come
25:31back to
25:31the energy
25:31issue
25:32I just
25:32want to
25:32break it
25:33up for
25:33our viewers
25:33we've spoken
25:34about trade
25:35we'll come
25:35to energy
25:35security
25:36in a moment
25:36but Raj
25:37Chengappa
25:37you did
25:38that interview
25:38did you
25:39get a
25:39sense
25:40that the
25:41United
25:41States
25:41is now
25:42far
25:43keener
25:43on a
25:43trade
25:44deal
25:44than it
25:45was
25:45even
25:45a few
25:45months
25:46ago
25:46I mean
25:47this is
25:47the same
25:47president
25:48of the
25:48United
25:48States
25:48who said
25:49the Indian
25:49economy
25:50is dead
25:50a few
25:51months
25:51ago
25:51this is
25:52the same
25:52president
25:53of the
25:53United
25:59on oil
25:59sanctions
26:00when we
26:01were buying
26:01oil from
26:02Russia
26:03the fact
26:04is
26:04did you
26:05get a
26:05sense
26:05that the
26:06mood
26:06has
26:06changed
26:07when you
26:07interviewed
26:07Marco Rubio
26:08in particular
26:09certainly
26:10I mean
26:10the fact
26:11was that
26:11as
26:12Ambassador
26:13Javid
26:13Ashraf
26:14had pointed
26:14out
26:14there are
26:15two or
26:15three
26:15clear
26:16markers
26:16that
26:17India
26:17has
26:17put
26:17down
26:18which
26:18is
26:18one
26:19we
26:19must
26:20have
26:20competitive
26:20tariffs
26:21when
26:21compared
26:21to
26:22other
26:22people
26:23other
26:24countries
26:24that are
26:25competing
26:25with
26:25us
26:25so
26:26that
26:26we
26:26are
26:26not
26:26at
26:26a
26:27disadvantage
26:27when we
26:27finally
26:28reach
26:28an
26:28interim
26:28deal
26:29and
26:29second
26:29we
26:30cannot
26:30have
26:30all
26:31these
26:31section
26:32301
26:33and
26:33other
26:33trade
26:34and
26:35tariff
26:36penalties
26:37that
26:37could
26:37kick
26:38in
26:38once
26:38we
26:39sign
26:39the
26:39deal
26:39and
26:39have
26:40the
26:40problem
26:40again
26:41of
26:42the
26:42and
26:42so
26:42therefore
26:43continuity
26:43rather than
26:44unpredictability
26:45is what
26:46we are
26:46asking
26:46for
26:47and
26:48did
26:50you get
26:50a sense
26:51that
26:51because
26:52the
26:53US
26:53now
26:53finds
26:54itself
26:54suddenly
26:55facing
26:56numerous
26:56challenges
26:57particularly
26:58on
26:58energy
26:58security
26:59that
27:00suddenly
27:00America
27:01wants
27:01this
27:01trade
27:02deal
27:02it
27:02is
27:03certainly
27:03a very
27:04dynamic
27:04global
27:05environment
27:05Rajdeep
27:06what was
27:07good
27:08say a year
27:09ago
27:09has changed
27:10dramatically
27:10when it
27:11looks at
27:11various
27:11things that
27:12have happened
27:13you have
27:13two wars
27:13progressing
27:15simultaneously
27:15the world's
27:16in turmoil
27:17there's plenty
27:18of strife
27:18so I think
27:18what's happened
27:19in this
27:19particular
27:20case is
27:20what he
27:21did say
27:22at the end
27:22of it
27:22because he's
27:23certainly not
27:24the trade
27:24minister
27:24he kept
27:25emphasizing
27:25that
27:26when we
27:27spoke
27:27was that
27:28yes
27:29we want
27:30to have
27:30a stable
27:31business
27:31so that
27:32a stable
27:33tariff rate
27:34so that
27:34businesses
27:35could do
27:35their business
27:36to be
27:37confident
27:38enough
27:38to move
27:38ahead
27:39with
27:39investments
27:39they get
27:40it
27:40now
27:41we have
27:42to see
27:42whether
27:42that tariff
27:44that they're
27:44finally trying
27:45to push
27:45us to
27:45and also
27:46some of
27:46the concessions
27:47that they
27:47want
27:47and also
27:48some of
27:48the things
27:49we want
27:49from them
27:50will finally
27:50happen in
27:51the next
27:51couple of
27:52days or
27:52months
27:52I think
27:55G20
27:55is a bit
27:56of a target
27:56that they're
27:56looking at
27:57and if they
27:58could conclude
27:58it'll be good
27:59if we had
28:00a straight
28:00agreement
28:01and we knew
28:01that this
28:02is going
28:02to be
28:02the tariff
28:03that makes
28:03life easier
28:04for a lot
28:05of businessmen
28:06both in
28:06India
28:07and in
28:07the US
28:07let's
28:08let's come
28:08to energy
28:09security
28:10then
28:10because
28:10before
28:10he did
28:11the interview
28:12with India
28:12Today
28:13and Raj
28:13Chengappa
28:13you had
28:14Marco Rubio
28:16in Jamnagar
28:17visiting the
28:18Reliance
28:18refinery
28:19and even
28:19in the
28:20interview
28:20he seemed
28:21to encourage
28:22India
28:22to buy
28:23oil
28:23from Venezuela
28:24to diversify
28:26the risk
28:26now there
28:26are those
28:27who are
28:27questioning
28:27whether
28:29Reliance's
28:30relationship
28:30with the
28:31United States
28:31could well
28:32drive the
28:32Indo-US
28:33relationship
28:33how do
28:34you see
28:34that Amitabh
28:35Khan
28:35is energy
28:36security
28:36now going
28:37to become
28:37the critical
28:38issue
28:38going ahead
28:39given the
28:40precarious
28:40position
28:41that America
28:41finds itself
28:42to the point
28:43where it
28:43is now
28:43importing
28:44diesel
28:45from the
28:47Russians
28:49So Razeev
28:50let's be
28:50very clear
28:51that the
28:51American
28:51foreign policy
28:53is very
28:55greatly
28:55determined
28:56by energy
28:57security
28:58America
28:59today
28:59controls
29:00almost
29:00one third
29:01of the
29:01fossil fuel
29:02across the
29:03world
29:03after its
29:04control
29:04of Venezuelan
29:06oil
29:06if it
29:06had
29:07controlled
29:07Iranian
29:07oil
29:08it would
29:09have
29:09been
29:09controlling
29:09almost
29:1042%
29:11of the
29:11total
29:11fossil fuel
29:12in the
29:12world
29:13but today
29:14it's being
29:14badly hit
29:15on the eve
29:16of its
29:16midterm
29:17polls
29:17because of
29:18the rising
29:18prices of
29:19diesel
29:19and therefore
29:20it's very
29:21very critical
29:22for them
29:22they have
29:23struck a
29:23deal
29:24why you've
29:25got a
29:2560 days
29:25waiver
29:26is because
29:27they've
29:27struck a
29:28deal
29:28with Russia
29:29the waiver
29:29has come
29:30post their
29:31deal with
29:31Russia
29:31they are
29:32buying diesel
29:33from Russia
29:34so they
29:34have no
29:34face to
29:35tell you
29:36that you
29:36can't buy
29:37oil from
29:38Russia
29:38and therefore
29:39for them
29:41it's very
29:42very
29:42for India
29:43from an
29:44Indian
29:44perspective
29:45it's very
29:46important to
29:47tell them
29:48that 60
29:49days is
29:49neither here
29:50nor there
29:51there's no
29:51predictability
29:52in their
29:52policy
29:53there's no
29:54consistency
29:54in their
29:55policy
29:55what does
29:5660 days
29:57mean
29:57I mean
29:58the
29:58Linzer Graham
29:59Act has
30:00to be amended
30:01forever
30:01that waiver
30:02has to be
30:02made
30:03forever
30:03and therefore
30:04one must
30:05be very
30:05clear
30:06that
30:06America
30:07weaponizes
30:08both
30:09tariff
30:10and fossil
30:11fuel
30:11China
30:12on the
30:12other hand
30:13weaponizes
30:14clean energy
30:15in the
30:15midst of
30:16all this
30:16India
30:17is a
30:17major
30:18importer
30:18of fossil
30:19fuel
30:19we import
30:20almost 88%
30:22of our
30:22fossil fuel
30:23we import
30:2350%
30:24of our
30:24gas
30:25and it's
30:26in our
30:26national
30:26interest
30:27to be
30:27absolutely
30:28clear
30:28that we
30:29have to
30:29buy
30:30Russian
30:30oil
30:30to ensure
30:31energy
30:32security
30:32for our
30:33citizens
30:33if we
30:34do not
30:34do this
30:35we will
30:36not be
30:36able to
30:37run our
30:38economy
30:38properly
30:39and therefore
30:39this waiver
30:40has to be
30:41there
30:41forever
30:42and in
30:43the midst
30:43of this
30:44weaponization
30:44India must
30:45take care
30:46of its
30:46own
30:46national
30:47interest
30:47and its
30:48own
30:48energy
30:49security
30:50okay
30:50you wanted
30:51to make
30:51a point
30:52Javed
30:52on energy
30:53security
30:54because
30:54there's that
30:55famous saying
30:55what's good
30:56for General
30:57Motors is good
30:58for America
30:58could I
30:58change that
30:59what's good
30:59for Reliance
31:00is now good
31:01for India
31:02well I
31:03it could
31:04just be
31:04temporary
31:04remember
31:05the
31:05before the
31:06all this
31:07war started
31:08the
31:10you know
31:10the energy
31:11situation
31:11in the world
31:12wasn't too
31:12bad
31:12the long
31:13term
31:13trends
31:13were
31:14that the
31:14world
31:15was less
31:15dependent
31:16on fossil
31:17fuel
31:18for fueling
31:20its growth
31:20and more
31:21towards clean
31:22energy
31:22now
31:23in between
31:24also the
31:25demand from
31:26China
31:26had softened
31:27so we
31:28were in
31:28a pretty
31:28good
31:29situation
31:29then you
31:30have this
31:31if you
31:31look at
31:31the whole
31:32history
31:32of the
31:33conflict
31:33in Ukraine
31:34I mean
31:35you see
31:35a certain
31:36culpability
31:36also of
31:38the western
31:38countries
31:39and of
31:39the United
31:40States
31:40starting
31:40with 2008
31:42pronouncement
31:42of the
31:43NATO
31:43expansion
31:44plan
31:44to Ukraine
31:45and Georgia
31:46the Iran
31:47war has
31:48contributed
31:48to it
31:49and what
31:49was expected
31:50to be
31:50a few
31:51days war
31:52has become
31:53somewhat
31:54interminable
31:55you now
31:55see
31:56the
31:56conflict
31:57between
31:57Uthi
31:58and Saudi
31:58Arabia
31:58that could
31:59shut off
31:59the Red
32:00Sea route
32:00as well
32:01so here
32:02is President
32:03Trump
32:03facing a
32:04serious
32:04problem
32:05in the
32:05midterm
32:06elections
32:07because of
32:08the price
32:09of fuel
32:09at the
32:10pump
32:10and the
32:11overall
32:12inflationary
32:13impact
32:13so there
32:14is going
32:15to be
32:15an effort
32:16to find
32:17solutions
32:17to it
32:18you've
32:18seen that
32:18with Russia
32:19so that's
32:19purely
32:20transactional
32:20that's
32:21the point
32:23it's purely
32:23transactional
32:24why should
32:25we trust
32:26someone
32:26who's
32:26purely
32:27transactional
32:27I see
32:29I can
32:29and this
32:30is the
32:30point
32:30that's
32:31why
32:31if my
32:31first
32:31statement
32:32was this
32:32could be
32:33very
32:33short term
32:34it will
32:34link to
32:35the
32:35immediate
32:35crisis
32:36second
32:36that it
32:38could well
32:38change
32:39after a
32:40few months
32:40and we
32:41may find
32:42ourselves
32:42in a
32:42difficult
32:43position
32:43if the
32:44calculus
32:45is that
32:45we must
32:46now harden
32:46our position
32:47on Russia
32:48for whatever
32:48reason
32:49because his
32:49position keeps
32:50changing every
32:50two three
32:51months
32:51you can
32:52sometimes hug
32:53someone
32:54and then
32:54kick
32:54someone
32:55so that's
32:56a problem
32:56I also
32:57wanted to
32:57add that
32:57it isn't
32:58US is
32:59already
32:59exporting
33:0030% of
33:01its exports
33:02to India
33:02is crude
33:03and then
33:03LNG
33:04and LPG
33:05is also
33:05coming
33:06there's also
33:07this issue
33:08of the
33:08Venezuelan oil
33:09and now
33:10you remember
33:10that the
33:11Venezuelan
33:12oil industry
33:14now and
33:14the finance
33:15and the
33:15revenues
33:16that are being
33:17generated
33:17from it
33:18in some
33:18senses
33:18being controlled
33:19by the
33:20United States
33:21and so
33:22Reliance
33:23imports a
33:25huge quantity
33:25and refines
33:26a huge
33:27quantity
33:27of Venezuelan
33:28oil
33:2873%
33:30of the
33:303.6
33:31billion
33:33dollars
33:34worth of
33:35imports of
33:36Venezuelan
33:36crude from
33:37April to
33:38August this
33:38year
33:39was by
33:40the
33:41Jamnagar
33:41Reliance
33:42so that's
33:43the other
33:43equation
33:44because
33:44Marco Rubio
33:46is particularly
33:46invested in
33:48the Latin
33:48American
33:50policy of
33:51the United
33:51States
33:51he's actually
33:52taking a
33:53lead in
33:53it
33:53so there
33:54is the
33:54Venezuelan
33:54angle
33:55can we
33:56buy more
33:56Venezueloid
33:57can we
33:57refine more
33:58and what
33:59happens if
33:59there is
34:00another chaos
34:01there in
34:01Venezuela
34:02and then
34:03suddenly
34:03President
34:04Trump or
34:05whichever US
34:06administration
34:06is there
34:07decides to
34:08sanction
34:08Venezuela
34:09as we
34:10were left
34:11in the
34:11court with
34:11ONJC
34:12as investment
34:13over there
34:14we've got
34:14to see this
34:16very carefully
34:16balance the
34:17short and
34:17long term
34:18very carefully
34:19on this
34:19and I'm
34:20sure the
34:21government
34:21will approach
34:22this very
34:23clear
34:23balancing
34:24and fully
34:26cognizant of
34:27the fickleness
34:28and sometimes
34:30the sharp
34:31volatility in
34:33the US
34:34policy which
34:34can vary from
34:35month to
34:36month so
34:36that can
34:37lead us
34:37in the cold
34:38so you have
34:38to see it
34:39in a somewhat
34:40overall picture
34:41we are looking
34:42at
34:43I just want
34:44to bring
34:44Raj Chengab
34:44because two
34:45questions that
34:45he seemed
34:46to dodge
34:46is Pakistan
34:49and H1B
34:50visas
34:50I mean saying
34:51that this is
34:52a common
34:52policy for
34:53all countries
34:54the fact is
34:54Indian
34:55immigrants have
34:56been hit
34:56the fact is
34:57that the US
34:58has gone out
34:59of its way
35:00to embrace
35:00field marshal
35:02Asim Munir
35:03I mean it
35:03seems that
35:04America at
35:05the moment
35:05wants to
35:07play
35:07as I said
35:08it's purely
35:09transactional
35:09you need
35:10Pakistan
35:10one day
35:11you embrace
35:11Asim Munir
35:12you need
35:12Indian
35:13oil refinery
35:14capacity
35:15you embrace
35:16reliance
35:16slash India
35:17I mean
35:19did you get
35:20a sense
35:21that they are
35:21not willing
35:22to commit
35:23themselves
35:23on H1B
35:24visas
35:24or on their
35:25special
35:25relationship
35:26with Pakistan
35:27I think
35:28they made
35:28it very
35:28clear
35:29Rajdeep
35:29that this
35:30is their
35:30point of
35:31view
35:31you may
35:31agree
35:32with it
35:32or not
35:33this is
35:34how they
35:34look at
35:35the world
35:35at the
35:36moment
35:36and they
35:37think
35:37that
35:37they are
35:38all
35:38powerful
35:39and can
35:39But the
35:40world has
35:40changed
35:41do they
35:41realize
35:41that this
35:42is no
35:42longer
35:42America
35:42first
35:43do they
35:44get a
35:44sense
35:45that the
35:45world
35:45is
35:45not
35:46Rajshan
35:46Gappa
35:47what it
35:47was
35:47with
35:48the
35:48United
35:48States
35:49in
35:49its
35:49pomp
35:49No
35:50I
35:50think
35:50we
35:50have
35:50to
35:50look
35:51at
35:51it
35:51the
35:51other
35:51way
35:51India
35:52has
35:53to
35:53navigate
35:53these
35:54very
35:54troubled
35:54waters
35:55what
35:55are
35:56the
35:56options
35:56we
35:56have
35:57what
35:57concessions
35:58we'd
35:58like
35:58to
35:59make
35:59now
35:59America
36:00is
36:00changing
36:00its
36:00approach
36:01would
36:01like
36:02India
36:02to
36:02and
36:03we
36:03get
36:03a few
36:03cards
36:04in terms
36:04of
36:04Russian
36:04oil
36:05or
36:05refining
36:06oil
36:06from
36:06Venezuela
36:07and
36:07getting
36:09other
36:09sources
36:10of it
36:10why
36:11not
36:11that's
36:12the
36:12point
36:12we
36:12have
36:12to
36:12look
36:13at
36:13and
36:13see
36:13where
36:14we
36:14can
36:14make
36:14it
36:14of
36:15course
36:15we
36:15must
36:15be
36:15tough
36:16with
36:16any
36:17changes
36:17that
36:17hurt
36:18our
36:18interests
36:19particularly
36:19those
36:20going
36:21abroad
36:21and
36:22wanting
36:22to
36:22study
36:22or
36:24work
36:24in the
36:25US
36:25but
36:26the
36:26US
36:26policy
36:27like
36:27tomorrow
36:28if they
36:28decide
36:28that
36:29they
36:29don't
36:29want
36:29it
36:29there's
36:30nothing
36:30much
36:30you
36:30can
36:31do
36:31you
36:31have
36:31to
36:32adjust
36:32a lot
36:33of
36:33these
36:33things
36:33I
36:33think
36:33what
36:34this
36:34interview
36:34does
36:34is
36:35try
36:35to
36:35present
36:36that
36:36point
36:37of
36:37view
36:37whether
36:37it's
36:37right
36:37wrong
36:38or
36:38not
36:38this
36:39is
36:39how
36:39America
36:39looks
36:45this
36:46is
36:46a
36:48country
36:49that
36:49we
36:49have
36:49huge
36:50amounts
36:50of
36:51stakes
36:51at
36:51not
36:52just
36:52in
36:52terms
36:52of
36:53trade
36:53which
36:53is
36:53the
36:53largest
36:54250
36:54billion
36:54dollars
36:55larger
36:55than
36:56any
36:56other
36:56country
36:56that's
36:57there
36:57so
36:57how
36:57do
36:58you
36:58navigate
36:58that
36:58we
36:59have
36:59great
36:59interest
37:00in
37:00artificial
37:00intelligence
37:01critical
37:01minerals
37:02we
37:03invested
37:03in
37:03the
37:03quad
37:04you
37:04have
37:04China
37:04on
37:05the
37:05other
37:05side
37:05that
37:05is
37:05highly
37:06assertive
37:06who
37:07are
37:07your
37:07options
37:07in
37:08doing
37:08it
37:08and
37:08therefore
37:09I
37:09think
37:09we
37:09have
37:09to
37:09look
37:09very
37:10hard
37:10eyed
37:10at
37:10all
37:11these
37:11things
37:11and
37:12see
37:12where
37:12we
37:12can
37:13do
37:13better
37:13rather
37:14than
37:14saying
37:14America
37:15you
37:15need
37:15to
37:15change
37:15and
37:15we
37:16put
37:16pressure
37:16currently
37:17I
37:17think
37:17we'll
37:18have
37:18more
37:18and
37:18more
37:18cards
37:18I
37:19think
37:20Amitabh
37:20Kant
37:20had
37:21mentioned
37:21that
37:22wait
37:22it
37:22out
37:22a
37:23bit
37:23see
37:23where
37:23we
37:24can
37:24negotiate
37:24harder
37:25and
37:25do
37:25it
37:25at
37:25the
37:25end
37:26of
37:26the
37:26day
37:26we
37:26do
37:26need
37:27a
37:27stable
37:27trade
37:28deal
37:28which
37:28with
37:29stable
37:29tariffs
37:30that
37:30will
37:30be
37:30our
37:31interest
37:31and
37:31we
37:31need
37:31to
37:31push
37:32for
37:32it
37:32can
37:33I
37:33therefore
37:33ask
37:34both
37:34of
37:34you
37:34quick
37:36concluding
37:37remarks
37:37do
37:38you
37:38get
37:38a
37:38sense
37:38do
37:39we
37:39have
37:39that
37:40kind
37:40of
37:40leverage
37:40you
37:41know
37:41we
37:41can
37:42argue
37:42about
37:43H1B
37:43visas
37:44about
37:44the
37:45unfairness
37:46at
37:46times
37:46of
37:46US
37:47policies
37:48towards
37:48us
37:48the
37:48inconsistency
37:49on
37:50Russian
37:50oil
37:50purchases
37:51but
37:51what
37:51options
37:52do
37:52we
37:52realistically
37:53have
37:53Amitabh
37:53Kanth
37:54you
37:54first
37:54and
37:54Javed
37:54Ashraf
37:55then
37:56to
37:56conclude
37:56very
37:56quickly
37:57so
37:58Radhi
37:58first
37:59and
37:59foremost
37:59Marco
38:00Rubio
38:00has
38:01been
38:01at
38:01his
38:01charming
38:02best
38:03he
38:03said
38:04all
38:04the
38:04right
38:04things
38:05it's
38:06also
38:06important
38:07to
38:07understand
38:07that
38:08if
38:08India
38:09wants
38:09to
38:09be
38:09a
38:0930
38:11plus
38:11trillion
38:12dollar
38:12economy
38:12India
38:13needs
38:14to
38:14export
38:14to
38:15the
38:15United
38:15States
38:15and
38:16work
38:16in
38:16partnership
38:17with
38:17United
38:17States
38:18in
38:18a
38:18range
38:18of
38:18areas
38:19including
38:20cutting
38:20edge
38:23but
38:24there
38:25is
38:25still
38:25a
38:26lack
38:26of
38:26predictability
38:27in
38:27its
38:28policies
38:28I
38:28think
38:29we'll
38:29have
38:29to
38:29wait
38:29for
38:30the
38:30midterm
38:30polls
38:31to
38:31get
38:31over
38:31Are
38:32you
38:32saying
38:33if
38:33Trump
38:34loses
38:34the
38:34midterm
38:35polls
38:35he
38:35becomes
38:35even
38:36more
38:36vulnerable
38:36or
38:37even
38:37more
38:37unpredictable
38:38I'm
38:39merely
38:39saying
38:39that
38:40the
38:4160
38:41days
38:42exemption
38:43doesn't
38:44bring
38:44clarity
38:45if
38:45it
38:45changes
38:45after
38:4660
38:46days
38:47and
38:47you
38:47imposed
38:48100%
38:49duty
38:49then
38:49the
38:50trade
38:50policy
38:51has
38:51the
38:52trade
38:52deal
38:52has
38:52no
38:53meaning
38:53so
38:54you
38:54have
38:54to
38:55have
38:55clarity
38:56on
38:56the
38:56Lindsay
38:57Graham
38:57act
38:58being
38:58done
38:58away
38:59with
38:59and
39:00the
39:00waiver
39:00being
39:01forever
39:01in
39:02perpetuity
39:03for the
39:03trade
39:04deal
39:04to
39:04operate
39:05and
39:05then
39:05we
39:06should
39:06do
39:06we
39:06have
39:06the
39:09bargaining
39:09capacity
39:10secondly
39:12my
39:13view
39:13is
39:14that
39:14in
39:15this
39:15particular
39:15case
39:16we
39:17should
39:17hold
39:17on
39:17for
39:18a
39:18little
39:18more
39:18period
39:18because
39:19right
39:20now
39:20we
39:20are
39:20exporting
39:21to the
39:21United
39:22States
39:22at
39:2310%
39:23duty
39:24our
39:24exports
39:25are
39:25doing
39:25very
39:25well
39:26we
39:26are
39:26penetrating
39:27our
39:27exporters
39:28are
39:28penetrating
39:29the
39:29American
39:29market
39:30whatever
39:31trade
39:31deal
39:31you
39:32do
39:32will
39:32be
39:32at
39:32a
39:32higher
39:33rate
39:33of
39:33duty
39:33of
39:3418%
39:34so
39:35my
39:36personal
39:36view
39:37is
39:37let's
39:38have
39:38greater
39:38clarity
39:39on
39:39both
39:40the
39:40Lindsay
39:40Graham
39:41Act
39:41and
39:42let's
39:42have
39:42greater
39:43clarity
39:43on
39:44the
39:44trade
39:45only
39:46two
39:46countries
39:47have
39:47moved
39:47forward
39:48with
39:49trade
39:49negotiations
39:50with the
39:50United
39:50States
39:51and that
39:51is
39:51India
39:52and
39:52Vietnam
39:53all
39:53other
39:54countries
39:54have
39:54held
39:55back
39:55so
39:56my
39:56personal
39:57view
39:58is that
39:58in the
39:58interest
39:59in our
40:00own
40:00national
40:00interest
40:01much as
40:01America
40:02cares
40:02for its
40:03own
40:03America
40:04first
40:05interest
40:05we need
40:06to have
40:06greater
40:07patience
40:07we need
40:09not get
40:10carried
40:10away
40:11but
40:12Charming
40:12words
40:13in
40:14India
40:14but
40:15hold
40:15on
40:15for
40:16a
40:16little
40:16more
40:16period
40:16okay
40:17I
40:17take
40:18your
40:18point
40:18very
40:18quickly
40:19Javed
40:19Ashram
40:19do we
40:20have
40:20the
40:20bargaining
40:23capacity
40:23to be
40:24patient
40:25with the
40:25United
40:25States
40:26look
40:26I
40:27think
40:27we
40:27need
40:28to
40:28also
40:28depersonalize
40:29this
40:30relationship
40:30because
40:31it's
40:31not
40:31just
40:31there
40:31are
40:31deeper
40:32structural
40:32changes
40:33that
40:33are
40:34taking
40:34place
40:34in
40:34the
40:34United
40:35States
40:35that
40:35go
40:35back
40:36to
40:362008
40:36global
40:37financial
40:38crisis
40:38and
40:39it
40:39is
40:40in
40:40some
40:40senses
40:40President
40:41Trump
40:41is
40:42not
40:42an
40:42aberration
40:43he's
40:43a
40:43culmination
40:44of
40:44a
40:44process
40:45that
40:45is
40:45underway
40:45so
40:46my
40:46first
40:46point
40:46is
40:47that
40:47we
40:49need
40:49to
40:49world
40:50has
40:50changed
40:51the
40:51United
40:51States
40:51has
40:52changed
40:52India
40:52has
40:53changed
40:53we
40:54need
40:54we
40:55cannot
40:55extrapolate
40:56the
40:56past
40:57assumptions
40:57into
40:58the
40:58future
40:58or
40:59past
40:59patterns
40:59of
41:00relationship
41:00into
41:01the
41:01future
41:01we
41:02now
41:02need
41:02a
41:02new
41:02dialogue
41:03with
41:03the
41:03United
41:04States
41:04of
41:04the
41:04kind
41:05that
41:05we
41:05had
41:05after
41:06the
41:061998
41:06nuclear
41:07test
41:07which
41:08led
41:08to
41:08a
41:09complete
41:09transformation
41:09of the
41:10relationship
41:10from the
41:11abyss
41:11it was
41:12in at
41:12that
41:12point
41:13of
41:13time
41:13and
41:14I've
41:14seen
41:14that
41:14evolution
41:15over that
41:16period
41:16it is
41:16certainly
41:17possible
41:17but we
41:18must frame
41:18it in
41:18the
41:19context
41:19of the
41:19imperatives
41:20of the
41:20present
41:20and
41:21our
41:21strengths
41:21second
41:22Pakistan
41:23I don't
41:24think we
41:24should
41:24overplay
41:25that
41:25card
41:25the
41:26transformation
41:26the
41:27most
41:27consequential
41:28decade
41:29of
41:29India
41:30US
41:30relationship
41:31was
41:32precisely
41:32the
41:33time
41:33when
41:34the
41:34United
41:34States
41:35was
41:35so
41:35deeply
41:35engaged
41:36in
41:36Pakistan
41:37it
41:37was
41:38when
41:38it
41:38was
41:38fighting
41:38the
41:39war
41:39in
41:39Afghanistan
41:40and
41:40it
41:41was
41:41spending
41:41billions
41:42and billions
41:42of dollars
41:43supporting
41:44the F-16
41:45program
41:45and many
41:46other
41:46things
41:46the
41:47third
41:48thing
41:48is
41:48and so
41:49we
41:49were still
41:49able to
41:50insulate
41:50the
41:50relationship
41:51from
41:52the
41:52Pakistan
41:52factor
41:53and I
41:53can
41:54tell you
41:55about
41:55so many
41:56instances
41:56where
41:56the
41:57statements
41:57made
41:57by the
41:57United
41:58States
41:58to us
41:58in
41:58private
41:59were
41:59much
42:00more
42:00than
42:01what
42:01President
42:01Trump
42:02has
42:02said
42:02so
42:03it's
42:03possible
42:03for us
42:04to do
42:04it
42:04and I'm
42:04confident
42:05that
42:06government
42:06will be
42:06able to
42:07handle
42:07that
42:08aspect
42:08the
42:08third
42:08point
42:09is
42:09you
42:09related
42:10to
42:10what
42:10H-1B
42:11and
42:11whether
42:12we
42:12see
42:13again
42:13you've
42:13got to
42:14recognize
42:14that the
42:19challenges
42:19have
42:20changed
42:20much
42:20as
42:21the
42:21way
42:21you're
42:21seeing
42:21Europe
42:22having
42:22changed
42:23we need
42:23to
42:24understand
42:24that
42:24and relate
42:25to a
42:26new
42:26United
42:26States
42:27rather than
42:27hark back
42:28onto something
42:28that is
42:29not there
42:29we do
42:30have
42:31assets
42:32we do
42:32have
42:32strengths
42:33as long
42:34as we
42:34go back
42:35to the
42:35drawing board
42:36and
42:36recognize
42:37and talk
42:38to each
42:38other
42:38in the
42:39same
42:39way
42:39that we
42:40did
42:40in those
42:41years
42:41and
42:41Radha
42:42Cengapa
42:42has also
42:43written
42:43extensively
42:43about
42:44that
42:45period
42:45so let's
42:46look at
42:47it
42:47there are
42:48transactional
42:49issues
42:49there are
42:50immediate
42:50short term
42:51issues
42:51but we
42:53must look
42:53beyond that
42:54and as I
42:54said on
42:55all these
42:55three issues
42:57there can
42:57still be a
42:58road ahead
42:58and we
42:59need to
42:59put aside
42:59the
43:00Pakistan
43:00factor
43:01and focus
43:01on our
43:02own
43:02bilateral
43:02because we
43:03have done
43:03that in
43:03the past
43:04in even
43:04more difficult
43:05circumstances
43:06I want to
43:07thank all my
43:08guests for
43:08joining me
43:09I want to
43:09go though to
43:10Mark
43:10Linscott
43:11because he's
43:11been listening
43:12patiently
43:12and I want
43:12to get an
43:13American
43:13perspective
43:14you've heard
43:14from these
43:15fine Indian
43:15guests
43:16Amitabh
43:16Kanj
43:17Javed
43:17Ashraf
43:18and Raj
43:18and Gappa
43:18what's your
43:19sense
43:19has America
43:20as Javed
43:21Ashraf
43:21put it
43:21changed
43:22structurally
43:22whether it
43:23comes to
43:24H-1B
43:24visas
43:25whether it
43:25comes to
43:26the manner
43:27in which
43:27they now
43:29weaponize
43:29tariffs
43:30under
43:30Donald
43:31Trump
43:31is
43:32unpredictability
43:33part of
43:35US
43:35policy
43:37towards
43:37countries
43:38like India
43:38can we
43:39really expect
43:40any kind
43:41of continuity
43:42and consistency
43:44well thanks
43:45Rajdeep
43:47for having
43:47me on
43:48and I
43:48certainly
43:49have learned
43:49a lot
43:50over the
43:50last 20
43:51minutes or
43:52so
43:52from
43:52Mr.
43:54Kant
43:54and Mr.
43:55Ashraf
43:56and Mr.
43:56Chen
43:56Gappa
43:58you know
43:59it's
44:00and this is
44:00a Trump
44:01administration
44:01I mean
44:02let's
44:03be realistic
44:04there's always
44:05going to be
44:06unpredictability
44:07there's going
44:07to be
44:08provocation
44:09I mean
44:09that
44:09is the
44:10modus
44:11operandi
44:12of the
44:13president
44:13we saw it
44:14in the
44:15first Trump
44:16administration
44:16we've seen
44:17it on steroids
44:18in this
44:19administration
44:20and certainly
44:21there have
44:21been structural
44:22changes
44:23over time
44:24I focus
44:25on trade
44:26policy
44:26and trade
44:27negotiations
44:28and I think
44:28that's been
44:30clear
44:30we've gone
44:31from an era
44:32of the
44:33World Trade
44:33Organization
44:34and multilateralism
44:35being predominant
44:37in trade
44:38relations
44:39to it
44:40being very
44:41much about
44:42bilateral
44:43efforts
44:43and tariffs
44:44and it's
44:45not necessarily
44:47unique to
44:47the United
44:48States
44:48I think
44:48we saw
44:49this trend
44:50beginning
44:50even during
44:51the Obama
44:52administration
44:52I was
44:53a senior
44:53trade
44:54official
44:54going back
44:55to the
44:56Obama
44:56administration
44:57and even
44:58before that
44:58but we are
45:00definitely
45:00in a new
45:01era
45:01on trade
45:02we are
45:03definitely
45:04in a new
45:04era
45:04on immigration
45:05with respect
45:06to the
45:07United States
45:07the United
45:08States
45:08historically
45:09has had
45:10very open
45:11immigration
45:12policies
45:13there's a
45:14huge
45:14diaspora
45:15Indian
45:16diaspora
45:17in the
45:18United
45:19States
45:19it's a
45:20very
45:20successful
45:21one
45:21I found
45:22over time
45:23in my
45:23career
45:23at the
45:24United
45:24States
45:24Trade
45:25Representative
45:25and that
45:26spanned
45:26nearly
45:26three
45:27decades
45:27that
45:29many
45:29of my
45:29colleagues
45:30were
45:31second
45:31generation
45:31South
45:32Asian
45:33and
45:33Indian
45:35it was
45:37truly
45:37a diverse
45:38workplace
45:39and I
45:40think that
45:41continues
45:41now the
45:42administration
45:43on immigration
45:43has taken
45:46a much
45:46more
45:46restrictive
45:47perspective
45:47and that's
45:48been its
45:50signature
45:50policy
45:51and I
45:51personally
45:52believe
45:52that
45:53the H-1B
45:55program
45:55has been
45:56beneficial
45:56to the
45:58United States
45:59has brought
45:59real value
46:00but can I
46:02can I
46:03though ask
46:04you I
46:04mean can
46:05we therefore
46:05in conclusion
46:06separate these
46:07boxes energy
46:08security
46:09trade H-1B
46:11visas
46:11policies
46:12strategic
46:13policies
46:14towards the
46:14subcontinent
46:15can we
46:16are they all
46:17separate boxes
46:18in your view
46:18so you can
46:19have a strong
46:19trade
46:20you can
46:20build a
46:21trade deal
46:21with the
46:22United States
46:22irrespective
46:23of what
46:24happens with
46:24H-1B
46:25visas
46:26or indeed
46:26Trump's
46:27attitude
46:27towards
46:28Pakistan
46:28do you
46:29believe
46:29that is
46:30possible
46:30in a
46:30Trump
46:31administration
46:31and that's
46:32the way
46:32to deal
46:33with Donald
46:33Trump
46:33keep it
46:34transactional
46:35at all
46:35levels
46:36well I
46:37these are
46:39all areas
46:39that are
46:40interrelated
46:41there's no
46:41doubt about
46:42that
46:42certainly
46:42energy
46:43security
46:43and
46:44trade
46:44but I
46:45think to
46:45some
46:46extent
46:46there has
46:47to be
46:47some
46:47separation
46:48H-1B
46:50issues
46:50are not
46:51going to
46:51be
46:51negotiated
46:52as part
46:53of a
46:53trade
46:54deal
46:54and these
46:55issues
46:56have been
46:56on the
46:56table
46:56frankly
46:57going all
46:58the way
46:58back to
46:59the Obama
46:59administration
47:00I was a
47:01senior
47:01official
47:01then
47:02and my
47:04Indian
47:04counterparts
47:05would raise
47:05H-1B
47:06and it
47:07simply was
47:08not something
47:08we were
47:09negotiating
47:09as part
47:10of a
47:11trade
47:11agreement
47:12but I
47:13do think
47:14it's
47:15time to
47:15seize the
47:16moment
47:16on a
47:17trade
47:17deal
47:17perhaps
47:20differently
47:21from some
47:22of my
47:22colleagues
47:23here
47:23I do
47:24think
47:24it's
47:24mutually
47:25beneficial
47:25of course
47:27there's
47:27uncertainty
47:28there always
47:29will be
47:30with a
47:30Trump
47:32administration
47:32but I
47:33think a
47:34trade
47:34agreement
47:34an interim
47:35agreement
47:36I should
47:36emphasize
47:36this is
47:37not
47:38a full
47:39blown
47:39free trade
47:41agreement
47:41it's an
47:42interim
47:42agreement
47:42I think
47:43there will
47:44be more
47:44certainty
47:45going forward
47:46than we
47:46currently
47:46have
47:48I'm going
47:48to leave
47:49it there
47:49I appreciate
47:50my guests
47:51joining me
47:52and listening
47:53to all of you
47:54has been a bit
47:54of an education
47:55about the
47:56complexity of
47:57negotiations
47:57and particularly
47:58when you're
47:59dealing with
48:00such asymmetry
48:01of power
48:01between countries
48:03thank you very
48:03much to all
48:04of you
48:04for joining
48:05me
48:05let's turn
48:06to the
48:06political
48:06controversy
48:07of the
48:08day
48:08where an
48:08exhibition
48:09titled
48:09No Idea
48:10Is Final
48:11has triggered
48:12a row
48:12at Delhi's
48:13Bhikaneir
48:14house
48:14because the
48:15man at
48:15the center
48:15of it
48:16is Rehan
48:16Vadra
48:17Priyanka
48:17Gandhi
48:18Vadra's
48:18son
48:18who alleges
48:19his photographs
48:20including one
48:21featuring the
48:22tricolor
48:22were removed
48:23he claims
48:24he was given
48:24just 30
48:25minutes
48:25to take
48:26down 70
48:27of his
48:27artworks
48:28the congress
48:28party has
48:29stepped in
48:30and alleged
48:30censorship
48:31the Bhikaneir
48:32house which
48:32is run
48:33through the
48:33government
48:34of India
48:34says the
48:35photographs
48:35violated
48:36its policy
48:37against
48:37political
48:38artwork
48:38take a
48:39look
48:45an exhibition
48:46titled
48:47No Idea
48:48Is Final
48:48but the
48:50photographs
48:50on display
48:51have triggered
48:51a debate
48:52with no
48:53easy answers
48:57Rehan
48:58Vadra
48:58Priyanka
48:59Gandhi's
49:00son
49:00says
49:01several
49:01photographs
49:02from his
49:03exhibition
49:03at Delhi's
49:04Bhikaneir
49:05house
49:05including
49:06one showing
49:06the tricolor
49:07were removed
49:09the exhibits
49:10included
49:11images of
49:12recent protests
49:12in the
49:13capital
49:14in this
49:15hall
49:16all the
49:16pictures
49:17almost
49:17around
49:1770
49:18pictures
49:18have been
49:19taken
49:19down
49:19by the
49:20management
49:20saying
49:21that
49:21these
49:22pictures
49:22are
49:24actually
49:25political
49:25in nature
49:26and
49:26essentially
49:27Rehan
49:28Vadra
49:28has
49:29breached
49:29the
49:29booking
49:30policy
49:30of
49:31Bikaneir
49:31house
49:32management
49:32that
49:33that
49:34is
49:34to not
49:35have
49:35any
49:35sort
49:36of
49:36political
49:36conversations
49:37via
49:37these
49:38art
49:38exhibitions
49:40speaking to
49:41India
49:41today
49:41Rehan
49:42alleged
49:43political
49:43bias
49:44claiming
49:45he was
49:45given
49:45just
49:4630
49:46minutes
49:47to
49:47remove
49:4770
49:48artworks
49:52they
49:53basically
49:53did
49:53not
49:54give
49:54any
49:54time
49:54for
49:55me
49:55to
49:56you
49:57know
49:57have
49:58any
49:58other
49:58option
49:58than
49:59to
50:00leave
50:00the
50:00walls
50:00empty
50:01and
50:01then
50:03we
50:03tried
50:04to
50:04come
50:04up
50:04with
50:04remedies
50:05which
50:05were
50:05artistic
50:06in
50:06nature
50:06which
50:06was
50:07flipping
50:07the
50:08photos
50:08putting
50:09them
50:09in
50:09a pile
50:09on
50:09the
50:10floor
50:11leaving
50:11the
50:11photos
50:12of
50:12the
50:12flag
50:12but
50:12then
50:12they
50:13kept
50:13pushing
50:13kept
50:13pushing
50:14and
50:14kept
50:14going
50:14overboard
50:15I
50:15mean
50:15I
50:15wouldn't
50:16this
50:16is
50:16not
50:17an
50:17ideal
50:17situation
50:18for
50:18me
50:19His
50:20mother
50:20Congress
50:21MP
50:21Priyanka
50:21Gandhi
50:22Wadra
50:22came
50:23out
50:23in
50:23his
50:23support
50:26His
50:26father
50:27businessman
50:27Robert
50:28Wadra
50:28also
50:29took
50:29a
50:29swipe
50:30at
50:30the
50:30BJP
50:30questioning
50:31why
50:32a
50:32photograph
50:32of
50:33the
50:33national
50:33flag
50:34could
50:34not
50:35be
50:35exhibited
50:37The
50:38Congress
50:38accused
50:39the
50:39government
50:39of being
50:40hostile
50:40to
50:41young
50:41people
50:42expressing
50:42themselves
50:43throughout
51:01Bikaner
51:02House
51:02has
51:02defended
51:03its
51:03decision
51:03It
51:04says
51:05that
51:05photos
51:05were
51:06inconsistent
51:06with
51:07its
51:07policy
51:08and
51:08thus
51:09it
51:09requested
51:09that
51:10certain
51:10photos
51:10be
51:11removed
51:11Bikaner
51:12House
51:13said
51:13that
51:13the
51:13remaining
51:14photos
51:14continue
51:15to
51:15be
51:15on
51:15display
51:16and
51:17the
51:17exhibition
51:17must
51:18follow
51:19policy
51:19The
51:21Bikaner
51:21House
51:21guidelines
51:22prohibits
51:23political
51:23artworks
51:24and
51:25orders
51:25the
51:25removal
51:25of
51:26such
51:26exhibits
51:26immediately
51:27The
51:28policy
51:28says
51:29that
51:29violations
51:29may
51:30lead
51:30to
51:30event
51:31cancellation
51:32Bikaner
51:33House
51:33is
51:34administered
51:34by the
51:35Bikaner
51:35House
51:35Management
51:36Society
51:36under
51:37the
51:37Rajasthan
51:38Government's
51:39General
51:39Administration
51:40Department
51:40Rajasthan
51:42is ruled
51:42by the
51:43BJP
51:44The BJP
51:46has rejected
51:46the Congress's
51:47criticism
52:10censorship is not
52:11new to India
52:12but the
52:13Rayyan
52:13Vajra
52:14Rao
52:15raises
52:15uncomfortable
52:16questions
52:16Were the
52:17photographs
52:18removed
52:18for violating
52:19rules
52:20or because
52:21of what
52:21they depicted
52:22and would
52:23this controversy
52:23be the
52:24same
52:24if the
52:25artist
52:25had a
52:26different
52:26surname
52:29Bureau
52:30Report
52:30India
52:31Today
52:41Okay
52:41on that
52:42note
52:42we've
52:42just
52:43about
52:43had
52:44we've
52:45just
52:45about
52:45wrapped
52:45up
52:46thanks
52:47for
52:47watching
52:47but
52:48since
52:48Donald
52:49Trump
52:49has been
52:50the
52:50focus
52:50of
52:51the
52:51show
52:51today
52:51or
52:51certainly
52:52US
52:52policy
52:53as
52:53expressed
52:53by
52:53Marco
52:54Rubio
52:54in that
52:55exclusive
52:55interview
52:56we thought
52:56we'd end
52:57the show
52:57tonight
52:57with
52:58President
52:58Trump
52:58and his
52:59plan
52:59to
52:59rename
53:00the
53:00Atlantic
53:01Ocean
53:01that
53:02hit
53:02choppy
53:03waters
53:03when he
53:03took
53:04it
53:04to
53:04Google
53:04at
53:05a
53:05Wednesday
53:05rally
53:06in
53:06South
53:06Carolina
53:07Trump
53:07said
53:08he
53:08considered
53:08putting
53:08his
53:09name
53:09or
53:10America
53:10on
53:11one
53:11of
53:11the
53:11two
53:11oceans
53:12that
53:12flanked
53:13the
53:13US
53:13the
53:14Atlantic
53:14and
53:14the
53:15Pacific
53:15then
53:16he
53:16said
53:16he
53:16called
53:16Google
53:17to
53:17ask
53:17about
53:18making
53:18the
53:18change
53:18on
53:19Google
53:19Maps
53:19but
53:20Google
53:20CEO
53:21Sundar
53:21Pichai
53:21rejected
53:22his
53:22plan
53:23listen
53:24in
53:24to
53:24the
53:25American
53:25president
53:26unplugged
53:27on
53:28trying
53:28to
53:28rename
53:28oceans
53:29some
53:30people
53:31need
53:32a
53:32reality
53:33check
53:33thanks
53:34for
53:34watching
53:34stay
53:35well
53:35stay
53:35safe
53:36good
53:36night
53:36Shubratri
53:36Jai
53:37Namaskar
53:39my
53:39father
53:39said
53:40that
53:40kid
53:40has
53:40the
53:40greatest
53:41eye
53:41for
53:41locations
53:42so
53:42I
53:42only
53:43I
53:44only
53:44like
53:44two
53:45oceans
53:45the
53:46Atlantic
53:46Ocean
53:46and
53:47the
53:47Pacific
53:47Ocean
53:47I'm
53:48not
53:48going
53:48to
53:48put
53:48either
53:49Trump
53:49or
53:50America
53:51on
53:51any
53:52other
53:52ocean
53:52but
53:53these
53:53two
53:53so
53:53we
53:54seriously
53:55looked
53:55at
53:55the
53:56Atlantic
53:56Ocean
53:56and
53:57I
53:57called
53:58Google
53:58Maps
53:58who
53:59were
53:59really
53:59great
53:59with
53:59the
54:00lake
54:00and
54:00really
54:00great
54:02and
54:03I
54:03spoke
54:04to
54:04a
54:04brilliant
54:04guy
54:05Sundar
54:05he
54:05heads
54:06all
54:06of
54:06Google
54:06he's
54:07a
54:07brilliant
54:07guy
54:07Sergei
54:08and
54:09Sundar
54:10totally
54:11brilliant
54:11guys
54:13you know
54:13they're
54:14still
54:14rattled
54:15from
54:15the
54:15Gulf
54:18and
54:19I
54:19said
54:20Sundar
54:22I'm
54:22thinking
54:22of the
54:23Atlantic
54:23Ocean
54:23can
54:24you
54:24handle
54:24it
54:24no
54:25no
54:25no
54:25this
54:25time
54:26I'm
54:26not
54:26doing
54:26it
54:28he
54:28said
54:29he
54:29said
54:30oceans
54:30are
54:30different
54:31sir
54:32you
54:33know
54:33they
54:33cover
54:33they
54:34cover
54:34a
54:34lot
54:35of
54:36countries
54:37please
54:37don't
54:38ask
54:39us
54:39to
54:39do
54:39that
54:39so
54:40I'll
54:40probably
54:41pass
54:41should I
54:41pass
54:41it
54:42I think
54:42let's
54:42keep
54:42it
54:42the
54:43Atlantic
54:43Ocean
54:43right