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00:31Good afternoon and welcome to Countdown Studio on what is often referred to as International Skeptic's Day, or is it?
00:38Because apparently, according to my notes here that's been dug out by the research department,
00:42it's also celebrated, that's to say International Skeptic's Day, on the 13th of January.
00:47So the skeptic in me is questioning what's right and what's wrong.
00:50Now what is so fascinating about all this stuff, Rachel, is that there are so many skeptics about.
00:57Apparently, in a recent survey, more than half of Britons questioned,
01:02doubted that the moon landings in 69 ever happened, that the whole thing was faked in some film studio somewhere.
01:09Can you believe it? 52%?
01:10And also, 64% of those questioned didn't believe that dinosaurs ever existed.
01:16It's good to question things.
01:18Yes.
01:18There seems to be a lot of people that think you can just say anything, and because you say it
01:22or have an opinion,
01:23it's equally valid to evidence and scientific, you know, theories.
01:27But having said that, you know, I would prefer not to be skeptical or cynical,
01:33but to believe people when they say something.
01:35Don't you think?
01:36It depends.
01:37There seems to be questioning, questioning, questioning, questioning.
01:39Well, just because someone's selling something or saying it's true and other people are buying it doesn't mean that there's
01:44anything in it.
01:45It's true.
01:46That's true.
01:46Now then, we have with us Andrew McLeod, business analyst originally from Peterhead, now in Edinburgh.
01:52Two good wins under his belt, and he'll be looking to go for a third one.
01:56Now, you're confronted today by Sam Gunning, an insurance customer advisor and artist from Elton near Peterborough,
02:02whose hobbies include photography and traveling.
02:05And you're a painter, too, working in large canvases, I think.
02:09Yeah, I do large-scale acrylics, so I don't use any, like, brushes or tools.
02:14I just use my hands and body parts.
02:17I mostly do it naked, and it's just a very organic process.
02:21These, I suppose, would, by definition, be sort of abstract.
02:26Yeah, no abstract.
02:28Pretty abstract.
02:29Well, good luck to you.
02:30Good luck to Sam and to Andrew.
02:32Big round of applause.
02:38And over in the corner, of course, Susie.
02:41Welcome back, Susie.
02:42Joined once again by Kate Williams, historian, author, TV presenter.
02:46And I talk about being an author because your book, I think your third novel, isn't it?
02:52Yes, third novel.
02:53The Edge of the Fall.
02:54It's a World War I tale.
02:56World, yes, it's a trilogy.
02:58And so this is number two of the trilogy about the family in the 1920s.
03:01So it's very kind of you to be reading it, Nick.
03:04Not at all.
03:05All right.
03:05More from you in a second, Kate.
03:07But now we turn to Andrew to kick off today's countdown.
03:10Good afternoon, Rachel.
03:11Good afternoon, Andrew.
03:12Can I have a consonant, please?
03:15Start with M.
03:16And a vowel, please.
03:41And here's the countdown clock.
04:15Andrew.
04:16Seven.
04:17A seven.
04:18Sam.
04:18A seven.
04:20Two sevens.
04:20Andrew.
04:21Beguile.
04:22Beguile and?
04:23Beguile.
04:24Both beguile.
04:25Just show that to Andrew.
04:28Well done.
04:29Any other sevens over there?
04:31Eights, nines?
04:32I had beguile as well.
04:34Yeah?
04:34Yes, that's what I had.
04:35You can change the L for an N and have beguine, which is a popular dance of Caribbean origin,
04:42similar to the foxtrot, begin the beguine.
04:45Exactly.
04:46Great song.
04:47Yes.
04:47Great song from way back, 40s.
04:49Yeah, I think so.
04:50The word itself is from West Indian French, meaning infatuation, begin.
04:54Well done.
04:55Seven points, Bs.
04:56And Sam, it's your letters game.
04:58Hi, Rachel.
04:59Can I have a consonant, please?
05:00Thank you, Sam.
05:02B.
05:02And another?
05:05L.
05:06And another?
05:08F.
05:10And another?
05:12T.
05:13And a vowel?
05:14E.
05:15And another vowel?
05:17A.
05:18And another?
05:20I.
05:21And another?
05:23A.
05:24And a consonant.
05:26And the last one, P.
05:29Stand by.
06:01Yes, Sam.
06:02Just five.
06:03A five.
06:04And Andrew?
06:06Seven.
06:07Sam?
06:08Plate.
06:09And?
06:10Flee pit.
06:12Flee pit.
06:13Yes, excellent.
06:14Good countdown word, that one.
06:16Flee pit.
06:17Yes.
06:18Right.
06:18Or cinema.
06:19Absolutely, yeah.
06:21Now, what else have we got?
06:22Kate?
06:23Susie?
06:24A pallet.
06:25Obviously, that's shorter.
06:26I mean, there's labiate as well.
06:28Yes, exactly.
06:30Botanical word, a plant of the mint family, the two-lobed flower.
06:35All right.
06:35Anything else?
06:36No, that was actually the best for seven, yes.
06:38Fourteen points to Andrew Sam on seven, and it's Andrew's numbers game.
06:43Andrew?
06:43Can I have two large and four small, please?
06:46Thank you, Andrew.
06:47Two from the top row, four little ones.
06:49And the first numbers game of the day is one, two, ten, nine, twenty-five and fifty.
06:58And the target, three hundred and thirty-six.
07:01Three, three, six.
07:02Two, ten, nine, twenty-six.
07:32And Andrew?
07:33Er, three, three, seven.
07:37Sam?
07:38Er, I think I've got three, three, six.
07:40Let's try.
07:42OK, so nine minus two is seven.
07:44Yep.
07:46Erm, times by fifty.
07:49Times by fifty, three fifty.
07:52Minus twenty-five.
07:53Three, two, five.
07:54Plus the ten, plus the one.
07:55Yep, haven't used any of those.
07:56Well done.
07:57Three, three, six.
07:58Good man.
07:59Well done.
08:02She's with a three-point lead now.
08:03Seventeen to, er, Andrews.
08:05Fourteens.
08:06We turn to our first tea time teaser, which is Ned's dogs.
08:09And the clue.
08:10Ned's dogs were absolutely invaluable to him.
08:14Ned's dogs were absolutely invaluable to him.
08:32Welcome back.
08:33A letter with a clue.
08:34Ned's dogs were absolutely invaluable to him.
08:37In fact, they were godsends.
08:41Godsends.
08:42Now then, Sam on seventeen, Andrew fourteen.
08:45Sam, well done.
08:47So, let us go.
08:48Er, could I have a consonant, please?
08:49Thank you, Sam.
08:51T.
08:52And another.
08:54M.
08:55And another.
08:57R.
08:59And another.
09:01L.
09:02And a vowel.
09:04E.
09:05And a vowel.
09:08A.
09:09And a vowel.
09:11I.
09:12Erm, and a consonant.
09:15S.
09:17And, erm, a consonant, please.
09:21And lastly, S.
09:24Stand by.
09:25S.
09:26And a vowel.
09:31And a vowel.
09:33A.
09:34And a vowel.
09:54And a vowel.
09:55Sam? Um, seven. A seven. Andrew? Eight. And an eight. Sam? Misters. Thank you. Andrew? Smarties. Smarties.
10:10Um, yes. Knowles. Or in the olden days, a smarter fashionable person. So it used to be quite popular and
10:16then became a little bit derogatory.
10:23Well done. What else can we offer? Kate and Susie? Mistrals. Yes, the mistral, the strong northwesterly wind that blows
10:34through the Rhone Valley, usually in the singular. Probably put the S on it for an eight. That was our
10:38best.
10:39The mistral. All right. And now, 22 plays 17. Andrew's back in the lead and it's Andrew's letters game. Can
10:46I have a consonant, please? Thank you, Andrew.
10:48N. And another. S. And another. D. And a vowel. E. And another. U. And another. A. And a consonant.
11:06W. And another. H. And a final vowel, please.
11:12And a final I. And the clock starts now.
11:18H. And a consonant.
11:48Yes, Andrew. Eight. An eight. Sam? I'll try an eight as well. Thank you. Andrew? Unwashed. Unwashed? Yeah, unwashed. Well
11:59done. Just show Andrew. There we go.
12:07Unwashed. Any advances? Excellent. That was our best. If only we could have unwished. You can. Oh, okay. You get
12:12your wish. Yes, not wanted or desired, that sense, as an adjective. Really good. It's another eight.
12:18Thank you. All right. Thirty plays 25. And Sam, it's your numbers game now. Sam?
12:23I'll try four from the top, please. Thank you, Sam. Four from the top row. And two little ones. Try
12:27and get the advantage back.
12:28And these two smalls are four and five. And then the big ones. Fifty, one hundred, twenty-five, and seventy
12:37-five. And the target, two hundred and seventy-six.
12:41Two, seven, six.
12:43Two, seven, six.
12:43Three, four.
13:01Two, крепy, and ninety-six.
13:01Two, крепy, and thank you.
13:07One, two, that sin, and the magic here.
13:13how did you do Sam 276 thank you and Andrew 276 Sam 4 times 50 is 200 450 is
13:24200 plus the 75 275 and then 100 divided by 25 is 4 5 minus the 4 is 1 and
13:35add
13:35that one and you haven't used any of those lovely 276 well done and Andrew
13:41same at the bottom right there we go
13:49well done still that five point difference Andrew five points in the lead 40 playing 35 as we turn
13:56to Kate and Kate your latest book the edge of the fall we refer to it at the top of
14:01the show came
14:01out in paperback in March tell us more yes so it's a trilogy my first one was about what a
14:06one I
14:07talked a bit of it about it and the strange laws that we've got from history after my research this
14:12one's about the 1920s and the one that's coming out that I've finished is about the family in the
14:171930s taking them right up to the World War II but this one I really love because I it's about
14:23the
14:2320s and I just find the period so fascinating after the war so few women thought they were ever going
14:29to find a husband and so they began to carve out this whole life for themselves and so the flapper
14:34was born I think one of the few times in which we have a female tribe which doesn't have its
14:39male
14:39equivalent because you've got lots of you know the white van man and the white van girls and the
14:43punk girls and the punk guys but the flapper it was just pure women there were no kind of flap
14:48men
14:48I mean the word flapper I mean Susie will really know where it came from because this is a strange
14:52word to call girls who like wearing short skirts and short hair and yeah where does flapper come from
14:57in the in the Oxford English Dictionary the the historical one and um it's usually supposed to
15:03come from the sense of a young wild duck or partridge that's sort of flapping around but actually
15:08probably connected to a dialect word flap an unsteady young woman because there's all this
15:12sense of immorality and vice wasn't there yes well women could go quite wild and there's amazing
15:17essay I was reading by a young girl who's trying to defend flapperdom against the older generation who
15:22think it's shocking their parents and she's saying I hope you understand that uh attaining flapperhood
15:27is a great and serious undertaking because it takes a lot of brains to keep flapping at the proper pace
15:33it's that because it was also in a sense related to dancing you think about flappers and you think
15:40about the dancers of the dancers the amazing charlestons which are themselves is really quite wild
15:46it was a time of great sort of fashion too of course would Coco Chanel have been sort of just
15:51coming out of Chanel and the idea of the tan took off and it's really interesting because if you
15:57look in sort of economically uh in boom times women shorten their skirts I don't know why it
16:03happens but you can see it of course in the 60s when there was a mini skirt so you see
16:06this in the
16:0620s the skirts start to soar and you really have this new liberation and we see women writing women
16:12getting jobs women creating female architects and it is the great time of course of the female crime
16:18novelist as well such as Agatha Christie it's an amazing time but then you have the the great
16:24crash and that puts an end to it almost overnight the flapper pretty much dies but I think it would
16:29have been a great time to go back in my time machine and go go and experience the life of
16:33the flapper
16:34when they really thought that everything was possible for women particularly all right thank you
16:44now 40 plays 35 and we turn now to Andrew for a letters game Andrew can have a consonant please
16:51thank you Andrew R and another C and another L and another S and a vowel O and another I
17:08and another
17:14consonant please and a final consonant please and a final N stand by
17:22thank you so much for joining us on the next episode of the podcast so let's get started
17:38So let's get started.
17:52Andrew seven a seven Sam six and that six croons croons incisor incisor very
18:02nice clever now then Kate and Susie what have you conjured up between you sir
18:09loin yes but yeah it's a good seven silicon another seven there are a few
18:13sevens there all right forty seven to thirty five Sam that is time can't
18:20a continent please Rachel thank you Sam J and another H and another Z and another
18:31P and a vowel please E and another vowel I and a vowel E and a consonant D and a
18:49consonant please and lastly are standby
19:00so
19:24yes Sam
19:27uh just five five and Andrew stick with a six Sam tired tired Andrew teared
19:37teared yes absolutely fine T I E R E D yeah all right yeah very good and can we beat
19:45six
19:45uh not really uh dither and zither yes I was hoping that zithered might be a word but I don't
19:55think
19:55zithered is really a word
19:57sadly no just there is a noun or a zitherist somebody who plays it but not so that sadly
20:02thank you fifty three to thirty five Andrew it's numbers too large for a small please
20:08thank you Andrew two from the top for a little coming up and this time the little ones are six
20:14eight six and ten and the large ones one hundred and seventy five and the target nine hundred and fifty
20:23two nine five two
20:28so
20:40so
20:42so
20:56Andrew.
20:57952.
20:58952, Sam?
20:59952.
21:01Andrew.
21:0210 times 100 is 1,000.
21:03Yep.
21:056, 8, so 48.
21:07Yep.
21:08I'm quite nice with this one.
21:10952.
21:11There we go, Sam.
21:12Yep, the same way.
21:13There we go.
21:14Yeah, that's right.
21:18So, same difference, 63 to 45 as we turn to our second Tea Time teaser, which is Hap Disco.
21:25And the clue, he had a mishap at the disco and broke this.
21:29He had a mishap at the disco and broke this.
21:47Welcome back.
21:48I left with a clue.
21:49He had a mishap at the disco and broke this.
21:51He broke his scapoid, apparently.
21:55Where is that?
21:56It's a large bone just below the thumb.
22:00It's the scaphoid bone.
22:01Oh, yeah.
22:02The radius below the thumb.
22:03What, that bone there?
22:04Yeah, I think so.
22:05What was he doing at the disco to break that?
22:08Straight dancing.
22:10Clearly.
22:11Now, then, 63 to 45.
22:13And, Sam, it's a letters game.
22:16Can I have a vowel, please?
22:18Thank you, Sam.
22:19O.
22:19And another?
22:21A.
22:22And another vowel?
22:24O.
22:25And another?
22:27A.
22:29And another?
22:30O.
22:32Oh, dear.
22:33And a consonant?
22:35L.
22:36And another?
22:37T.
22:38And another?
22:40V.
22:41And another?
22:41And the last one, G.
22:43Stand by.
23:15Sam?
23:16Five.
23:17Five?
23:18Well done.
23:19Andrew?
23:20Five.
23:21Two fives, yes?
23:22Me?
23:22Gloat.
23:23Gloat and?
23:24And gloat.
23:26Gloat, gloat.
23:27Any more gloating?
23:28Kate?
23:29Susie?
23:29You can get that one.
23:30What have we got?
23:31Another five was love it, which is a muted green colour.
23:35Oh, yes.
23:36And then as a six, a galoot, which is a great word when a clumsy or stupid person uses a
23:41term
23:42of gentle, I think, abuse.
23:44Scottish and North American, a galoot.
23:46A galoot.
23:47Yes.
23:48All right.
23:4868, please.
23:5050.
23:50And it's Andrew's letters game.
23:52Andrew?
23:53Can I have a consonant, please?
23:55Thank you, Andrew.
23:56T.
23:56And a vowel.
23:58U.
23:59And a consonant.
24:01D.
24:02And a vowel.
24:04O.
24:05And a consonant.
24:07K.
24:08And a vowel.
24:09E.
24:10And a consonant.
24:11And a consonant.
24:13N.
24:13And a vowel.
24:16And a final consonant.
24:18And a final S.
24:20And here's the countdown clock.
24:23And a vowel.
24:41And a vowel.
24:42And a vowel.
24:43And a vowel.
24:43And a vowel.
24:43And a vowel.
24:43And a vowel.
24:43And a vowel.
24:43And a vowel.
24:43And a vowel.
24:44And a vowel.
24:53Andrew?
24:54Risky seven.
24:55Seven. How about Sam?
24:57Six.
24:58You're sick, Sam.
24:59Staked.
25:00Thank you, Andrew.
25:02Stonked?
25:03Stonked.
25:03I think that should be OK.
25:06Stonking.
25:07Yeah, certainly stonking would be in.
25:09Yeah, absolutely fine.
25:10To bombard with concentrated artillery fire is to stonk.
25:16Absolutely fine.
25:17When did that come into usage, then?
25:201940.
25:20Said to be formed from elements of the artillery term standard regimental concentration.
25:27Americanism then, stonked.
25:28Yeah.
25:3075 plays 50.
25:31And Susie, we're back with you for your origins of words.
25:36What have you got for us today?
25:37Well, I'm going to talk a little bit about religion and wine.
25:41You wouldn't always think that they go together.
25:44But certainly in the Middle Ages, and Kate will know this, monasteries, they had to survive somehow.
25:51They had to often undertake commercial ventures in order to feed everybody there and also to be able to offer
25:58pilgrimage to other people.
25:59So they very often would grow grapes.
26:02They would produce cheeses, et cetera.
26:04And these they would sell on a commercial basis.
26:07When it comes to wine, you will often find great monasteries attached to vineyards.
26:13And some of our best wines, indeed, come from there.
26:16Chateauneuf du Pape.
26:18That was a chateau that was dedicated to the Pope, the Pape.
26:21But there's often been a sort of intertwining or an interconnection between religion and wine.
26:25Which leads me to Liebfrau Milch, which is a very sweet German wine.
26:32But that's got an interesting name.
26:34It goes back to the German city of Wurm.
26:36And there's the historic structure there called the Liebfrauenkirche, which is the Church of Our Lady.
26:43In fact, hundreds of churches in Germany with this name.
26:46But the one in Wurm's achieved distinction primarily because of its extensive, gorgeous vineyard.
26:52And that was known as the Liebfrauenstift, which was the endowment of Our Lady.
26:56And the wine produced there has been known for centuries as Liebfrau Milch, which means literally the milk of Our
27:02Lady.
27:03So they saw this as liquid that was certainly dedicated to her.
27:08And the name eventually became so widely known that it was adopted as a general brand for all wine from
27:13that area, whatever its quality.
27:16But, yes, think twice.
27:17If you're going for a Liebfrau Milch, it does actually have incredibly sacred beginnings.
27:21Indeed.
27:22Well done.
27:22Very good.
27:23Fantastic.
27:24How fascinating.
27:25How fascinating.
27:26The work of Our Lady.
27:27Yeah.
27:27Amazing.
27:28And if you're reaching for really good champagne, you might go for Dom Perignon, which presumably is from the wine.
27:33Absolutely, yes.
27:34And so it goes on and on, actually, if you look at it.
27:36It does.
27:37Very close connection.
27:3875 plays 50.
27:39Andrew in the lead.
27:40And it's Sam's letters game now.
27:42Sam.
27:43I'll have a vowel, please, Rachel.
27:46Thank you, Sam.
27:47E.
27:48And another.
27:49O.
27:50And another vowel.
27:52Q.
27:53And another.
27:56O.
27:56And another.
27:59I.
28:00And a consonant.
28:01F.
28:02And a consonant.
28:04D.
28:05And a consonant.
28:07Q.
28:09And a consonant, please.
28:11And the last one.
28:12W.
28:13Stand by.
28:14A consonant.
28:16Be tension.
28:35And a consonant.
28:36Do i ever need to closer to this time.
28:36You're getting a consonant.
28:36Do iね.
28:42I.
28:42I-
28:43My when i get a consonant.
28:43Then you just Vu,
28:44Yes, Sam six six Andrew six and a six and wooft wooft
28:52Thank you. Thank you, sir, and Andrew worked. Oh, two wolves
28:58And over in the corner Kate and Susie come
29:04I don't even know that this is a word
29:06But I was at school with a little boy whose surname was wood and we used to call him
29:10Is this a thing as woody like yes, there is actually like it's a kind of American station wagon
29:15Absolutely, a station wagon with wood exterior paneling
29:19It's got a slightly
29:21More vulgar slang sense, but station wagon stick with that one 81 plays 56 Andrew on 81 and it's Andrew's
29:29letters game
29:29Can I have a consonant please? Thank you Andrew D and another
29:35S and another
29:37R and a vowel
29:40O and another
29:42E and another
29:44I
29:46And a consonant
29:47P
29:48And another
29:51X
29:52And a final vowel please
29:55And a final
29:56U
29:57Stand by
30:00The
30:00J
30:00And a
30:00And a
30:03The
30:03And a
30:26And a
30:27And a
30:28The
30:29Yes, Andrew?
30:31Seven.
30:32A seven, Sam?
30:33Just a six.
30:35That's it.
30:36Pored.
30:37Pored and...
30:39Soupier?
30:40Yes, soupier.
30:41I used a mist, for example.
30:43Yeah, very good.
30:44Soupier.
30:45Soupier fogged them yesterday.
30:47Kate?
30:48Best thing I had was proxies, which doesn't beat it.
30:52Just the same.
30:53Good seven.
30:53Yes, it's an abbreviation of procurator or procuracy.
30:59Yeah, and Roman law.
31:01But it's good there for seven.
31:0288 plays 56.
31:04And now, Sam, it's the final numbers game.
31:07I'll have four from the top, please.
31:09Four big ones.
31:10Four large ones and two little ones out on the bank.
31:12And these two small ones are nine and five.
31:16And the big four, 75, 25, 50 and 100.
31:21And the target, 699.
31:25699.
31:54So, Sam.
31:57uh 700 and andrew 700 so sam um nine times 75 nine times 75 675 and then add 25 and
32:12then add
32:1325 andrew 50 over 25 is 2 50 over 25 2 9 minus 2 7 yeah times 100 4 1
32:23away yeah 700 there we go
32:26that leaves you with the problem 699 rachel help us leave it with me certainly certainly will
32:33so andrew 95 just short of 100 sam on 63 well done as we go into the final round fingers
32:40on buzzers let's roll today's countdown conundrum
32:46so
32:50so
32:54so
33:14well we're stymied up here anybody in the audience nope let's see what it is
33:20let's roll it slice meat is oh timescale well there we are so difficult andrew well done
33:26so i'm coming to you bad luck will you take this back to peterborough i will do well elton anyway
33:31yeah yeah thanks for having me now it's been a great pleasure well done well thank you
33:37andrew we shall see you tomorrow well done man that's uh how many have you got now that's three
33:42good man now we have to say goodbye to kate you come and see us again won't you love to
33:48please do
33:49thank you for having me susie we'll see you tomorrow now then rachel you've been busy yes come on
33:55a couple of ways in here um you could have said 100 divided by 25 is 4 50 minus 4
34:0346
34:0575 divided by 5 is 15 times them together for 690 and add the nine on
34:11well done well done
34:17well done see you tomorrow see you tomorrow join us then same time same place you'll be very sure of
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34:39forward slash countdown just a heads up guys countdown will be moving to 210 from monday
34:46why you ask well it's to make way for the return of deal or no deal
34:49cue joyful gasps from all over the country that's on at three