कांग्रेस नेता सचिन पायलट ने चुनाव आयोग और मुख्य चुनाव आयुक्त ज्ञानेश कुमार को लेकर केंद्र सरकार पर गंभीर सवाल उठाए हैं। एक खास इंटरव्यू में उन्होंने आरोप लगाया कि वोटर लिस्ट से बड़ी संख्या में नाम हटाए जाने और चुनाव प्रक्रिया में पारदर्शिता को लेकर कई सवाल खड़े हो रहे हैं। पायलट ने 13.3 करोड़ वोटरों के नाम कटने के दावे, बंगाल में SIR प्रक्रिया, चुनाव आयोग की निष्पक्षता और राहुल गांधी के विरोध प्रदर्शन पर खुलकर बात की। उन्होंने यह भी बताया कि कांग्रेस मॉक इम्पीचमेंट क्यों कर रही है और निष्पक्ष चुनाव को लेकर विपक्ष की मांग क्या है।
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00:00We all work with the blessings of people of this country the voters and I think
00:05what we are doing as party to the Congress Party
00:08as India Alliance is that we are reaching out to the people into the masses
00:12you all know very well that there has been enough tangible data and
00:16documents proof given for the wrongdoings that Mr. Yanish Kumar has conducted
00:20through his term where Chief Election Commissioner
00:23now people of India I think the most fundamental right that we have is right
00:29if 13.3 crore people's names are known to be struck off the electoral rolls it's a big challenge to
00:36what we believe is the most fundamental issue in our republic which is right to vote like i said
00:40when things like this happen and gyanesh kumar being chief election commissioner first his
00:46the process of how you choose a cec earlier to the prime minister the lop and the chief justice
00:52now it's prime minister and one minister and lop that means two to one advantage government will
00:58have and they can choose whoever they want the second more important part is that what was the
01:02need for the government to pass a new law which gives the chief election commissioner immunity for
01:06life now he's the only person in the country not the prime ministers not the chief ministers
01:13not the director of intelligence or the army chief but the only man post emitting his office will have
01:17immunity for life now that sort of a legal immunity is given only when somebody wants
01:23assurance for when they feel that they might do something wrong so what we are doing is we are
01:27creating an awareness and people already know this across the country young people especially are aware
01:32that what we took for granted for 75 years cannot be taken anymore if the institution that is supposed
01:37to be transparent unbiased and above ideology and political likings and that is why we believe that
01:45parliament is not in session parliament it doesn't run very at all and i think there are
01:52no answers given when the questions asked within parliament so therefore i think it's quite fair and
01:57quite fine for the people of india the opposition to raise the uh you know issues in public domain
02:02sir but you don't think that fight is already going on at multiple levels you also went to supreme court
02:07and the case is ongoing subjudice also also i think election commission has given clarification which
02:14obviously you are not you know convinced about so do you think this is the only way out now
02:21look ultimately we all work on faith we have to have faith in a system when the system itself is
02:28challenged and by someone who we feel is compromised then how can you have neutrality in elections
02:33you are playing a match and empire you know is biased then you know what is the point of playing
02:38any
02:39uh any any any match uh so therefore i believe that the election commission which is sacrosanct which
02:44is above uh party politics individuals and governments should is the custodian of conducting fair
02:49elections up sir lelo uh bad practices in the border list lelo the way the elections are conducted all
02:56these things and you know small small things like when we ask the election commission for uh machine
03:00readable uh files for voters list when the court ordered the election commission to give the uh
03:08machine readable uh documents a voter list which is all right they went and amended backjet
03:13karke apna rules amend karli hai now jo poli boot ke hoote cctv cameras they want to delete the
03:20recordings all these things lead us to understand believe that there is something wrong in how mr ganesh
03:25kumar has conducted and more so his fellow colleagues the two other election commissioners
03:29uh really have not and smartly so have not sided with him and therefore i think nothing is left
03:34now to be proven of course hum court mein gai hai we put up uh uh yachka dali court ken
03:40that we
03:40but besides that as a political party we are within a right to raise this issue and ask demand for
03:45answers
03:45going to the court issue itni bade hajum lege you went to the court which many sees as a pressure
03:51tactics on the court please understand the court gai they were india alliance leaders gai
03:55they i think we were there at india gate but when we went everybody was stopped and the premises of
04:03the court only those 20 people went who were the signatories of the pil yeah i did not go there
04:07because
04:07i'm not a signatory but only the 20 india alliance leaders went there to sign those documents so there's
04:12also an argument from obviously the government's side he jab aap jit teo tab koi word chori
04:18in fact they have given recent instances i'm saying to you during the tenure of this election
04:24commissioner if any election is won by any party and there's wrongdoing do it whether we have won or
04:30we have lost i don't it's not important so you are okay with if they if there is a scrutiny
04:36done for
04:36all actions that in that obviously includes actions taken when you know we have won that election it must
04:42be scrutinized it must be data must be given out it would check honi chahiye polling booth voter list
04:47everything must be checked sir ekor joe bat dekhani me ariya abhi halmen joe mlc elections
04:52usmen to ballot say voting hui right so pm ne tweet kya or let your viewers know mlc election is
04:58not
04:58like mla election i know it is not mass voting it is limited voting it is 500 200 but people
05:04see it
05:05as a microism of a trend or sometimes no not really and by the way bjp didn't do very well
05:10in nagpur
05:10where the rs's head is in nagpur so and banaras may be one student elections so these are elections which
05:16sporadically conducted important but what is far more important is that people who have a right
05:20to vote i'll give you an example bangal mein chuna hua 90 lakh voters were deleted of which only 22
05:26lakh people had the resources the opportunity and the access to legal justice system 22 lakh people
05:33apply to the courts court ne bula abhi in ka final karo only i think 1 lakh cases were disposed
05:39of the 1 lakh cases about 97 percent court ne ka ki you're right you have a right to vote
05:44if you
05:44put the same number and prorate it that means you 90 lakh vote kate hain maximum people were voters i
05:49if
05:50someone has died someone is missing someone is not a citizen of course his or her name should be
05:54deleted but it can't be abadi bada rahi hai voter bada hai haap 13 crore nam to
05:59is
06:03but never was their confusion never were people deprived of their voting uh
06:08पर पर पता था अभी गैनेश कुमार जी ने क्या किया जो एरो होता है थे एलेक्राइड रिटरिणिंग ऑफिसर एस्डिम
06:15होता है वो उसको तेसील का पता है
06:17अभी जी ने प्रफिसर एकर शो किया जोता है उसको आफिसर एक्से वोट ज पार भांट मेंट विश्टरिणिग ऑख एसा
06:35इसा इसा इसा वहार जैस्टाम ने नहीं किया अभाने बाजी कर रहे है यह एंद पानेश कर ने आई पार
06:42जाए ने अशुछ अट्वर्ट बढ़ने
06:43I have faith in the judiciary.
06:45What I am saying to you is that these issues never happened in the previous SIRs.
06:49This SIR has been done with a political objective
06:52and Yanish Kumar ji has been either willingly or coerced into doing things
06:57which we feel are not in the interest of a healthy democracy.
07:00India is an epitome of how grassroots democracy functions.
07:05All around a neighborhood democracy,
07:07चुनावर्दे के होते हैं भई,
07:08Singapore में होते हैं, Pakistan में होते हैं,
07:09लेकि इंडिया में इसली होते हैं,
07:10वारे इसली होते हैं कि हमारे इसली होते हैं,
07:12हमारे एक वोट की कीमत है.
07:14And no one takes votes for granted.
07:15आपको पहले हम देखते थे, बढ़ते थे,
07:17यह black box होते थे,
07:19तो एक पहाड में अगर एक गाह में चार वोट भी हैं,
07:21तो पोलिंग पार्टी, खच्चनों और गढ़ों पे लेके जाते थे
07:25पोलिंग बॉक्स को एक वोट की किमत हैं.
07:27EVM भी जाते हैं, sir.
07:28जाते हैं, EVM.
07:29That is the process that we've adopted for decades.
07:32But now, EVM भी लाएं.
07:35आप वोटों के नामी काट दोगे,
07:37तो पिर क्या चुना रहे जाएगा?
07:38तो, sir, अभी जो एक और issue बार-बार वीजेपी कहती है,
07:42कि this is just an excuse.
07:44They want to bring anarchy and this is some foreign powers.
07:48And why are also एक और सवाल जो है,
07:50why is Congress using the back of the students?
07:54Like, जो अब भी ने देखा है,
07:56कई student leaders भी आपके उसके साथ जुड़ गाए.
07:59तो ये इस तरह से कैसे साथ-साथ सब मिल रहे हैं?
08:03आप जब विरोध करेंगे, जिसका विरोध कर रहे हैं,
08:07अगर वो uncomfortable नहीं हो रहा है,
08:08तो विरोध का फाइदा ही क्या है?
08:10हमने नौजवान के बात को उठाया,
08:12राहूल गांदीजी ने धर्ना दिया,
08:14दर्मेन पदान का स्थीफा करवाया,
08:15और बच्चे और नौजवान किसी एक पार्टी दल के नहीं,
08:18पर देश की अमानत है,
08:19उन पर आप लाठी चल रही है,
08:21प्लेट गन चल रही है,
08:21बिहार में के 47 चला दी थी,
08:23उनको मारा पीटा गया,
08:25उनको उठाया गया,
08:25केसिस करे गए,
08:26उनके अकाउंट सीज कर दिये गए,
08:28तो इतनी दबिश और 50,000 पुलिस लगाई दिल्ली में आपने,
08:31पूरी दिल्ली के आपने नाकबंदी कर दी थी,
08:33किसके डर से,
08:34वो का आतंगवादी हैं,
08:36वो देश विद्रोई हैं क्या,
08:37वो अपनी हक अधिकार अकर धरना देना,
08:39मांग रखना, हर्ताल करना,
08:40मार्च निकालना हमारा अधिकार है,
08:42अगर कानून की बात करते हैं,
08:44अगर कानून को अलंगन कहीं होता है,
08:45मैं उसको गलत मानता हूं,
08:47लेकिन पीसफुल डेमोंस्ट्रेशन,
08:48कोई आपको बुगरताल कर आप उठाके ले जा रहे हैं,
08:50आप नेतापतिपक्ष, राहूल गांदी जी,
08:53पेंगा कांदी जी,
08:53धाइसो सांचत मिलना चाहते हैं,
08:55सीजी सी मिलने को तयार नहीं है,
08:56आप उनको खदेड के बसों में डाल रहे हो,
08:59मैंने देखा नेतापतिपक्ष,
09:01सुष्मा जी होती थी,
09:02और उन्जेटली होते थे,
09:03किस अदब से किस सम्मान संग्स को टीट के आज़ा था,
09:06अब क्या कर रहे हैं,
09:07उनके कपड़े फाट रहे हैं,
09:08धक्के दे रहे हैं,
09:11यह कोई अच्छा संगेत निया लोकतंस के लिए,
09:13बट लेकिन वो गौर्मेंटी कहती है कि जो लोपी हैं,
09:16वो भी लैंग्वेज अपनी किस तरह की इस्तेमाल कर रहे हैं,
09:31और लैंग्वेज की बात करने चाहते हैं,
09:34मैं आपको नाम कहना हूँ,
09:40और वो अदब से प्यार महबबत की बात करते हैं,
09:44लेकिन आप अगर वो कुछ मुद्दा उठाते हैं,
09:47इतना विचलित होने की क्या बात हैं?
09:48आप जवाब दीजिए, आप तर्ग दीजिए, आप डेटा दीजिए,
09:51आप संभाद किये, डिवेट करिए,
09:53लेकिन आप पुलिस को भेज देंगे,
09:56आप नाकाबंदी कर देंगे,
09:58आप CBI को भेज देंगे,
10:00ED को भेज देंगे, यह कहा का लोग पर इंतर है?
10:02विपक्ष में कोई है,
10:04तो इंकम टैक्स, CBI और ED उनी को टैक करेगा,
10:07जैसे ही वो सत्ता दाइदल में आ जाएंगे, वो भी ठीक हो जाएंगे,
10:11तो आपके समने प्रमान होगा नो,
10:13और ED का कन्विक्शन रिट पता है का आपको,
10:15एक परसंट है,
10:17तो आप चापे डाल देजेए, करी का चरी तरनन कर देजेए,
10:19बद्नाम कर दीजे, सफाई दे रहिए,
10:21दस सल वात उसमें निकलेगा नहीं कुछ भी.
10:23But we have recently also seen Mr. Kharge
10:25talking about Prime Minister's father
10:27in a very understanding manner.
10:29Mr. Kharge was talking about the ideological
10:32genesis of
10:33the BJP where it comes from,
10:35and he was trying to say that
10:37that thought will lose,
10:39that you know, एक सोच
10:40सब को थोपने वाला जो हता है,
10:42India is a very broad, secular, thriving democracy,
10:45वह पर एक सोच में लोगों को पाद करना, उनको पर दबाव डालना, उस सोच को करना चाहता है.
10:50But sir, don't you think the level of overall,
10:52irrespective of parties, the discourse
10:55and the, you know, level of
10:56language which is used now,
10:58is, has to, should improve.
11:00I think some part of it also is because there is a new age media.
11:03आज कल इतना social media है,
11:05एक एक एक वर्ड, एक आद,
11:06everybody wants to get into the lime guide very quickly.
11:09तो कभी-कभी आप लोग यो बढ़ावा दे देते हो,
11:11बार चलती रहती हैं.
11:12But generally, I believe that in a democracy,
11:15and I think from the Congress Party,
11:16we're a very old party.
11:18We've been in power, we've been in opposition,
11:20but I think there has to be a semblance
11:22in terms of how we debate,
11:24how we address.
11:25A Parliament, I see sometimes the kinds of things that happen,
11:28and running a Parliament is the job of the ruling party.
11:31बाई जब भी बख्षमिती वो भी वेल में आते थे बातों को रखते थे,
11:35लेकिन एक समाद होता था, चर्चा होती थी,
11:37अब आप समाद बंद हो गया है,
11:39अब तो आप आप आप आप सांसेटों को सुस्पंड कर दी एक दिन मही,
11:41इस प्रकार के काम हो रहे हैं.
11:43But sir, we have seen in the recent protests that abuses which are hurled on leadership on,
11:48how would you agree with that?
11:49Not at all. I think any language that is not acceptable should not be used.
11:56Absolutely. I think we have no space for violence.
11:58We have no space for language that is not appropriate.
12:02But at the same time, I think the right to ask questions, ask tough questions, to be critical,
12:07to be not in agreement with everything that the government of India does, it's within a right.
12:11and I think to oppose, not for the sake of opposing,
12:13we also want the country, right?
12:15We want to not be paper leak, we want to be corruption,
12:18we want to be safe in the campuses which are such a bad thing.
12:23And the university campuses, they have to have the freedom of thought and expression.
12:27You may agree, disagree, but they want to confine,
12:31to make cases, I think that is absolutely wrong.
12:34But don't you see, sir, like what happened in our neighborhood like Bangladesh or somewhere,
12:38that anarchists have taken over, you know, the protest.
12:41So don't you fear that something like this may,
12:44this may encourage something like this here also?
12:46No, I think we are a healthy democracy,
12:48but the constitution gives us certain rights.
12:51As long as the people who run the country
12:54are able to put the constitution above themselves,
12:57it is not for negotiation, no compromise.
13:00It's a sacrosanct, you know, it is the most important document of our republic.
13:03We must believe in its word and in deed.
13:07Ambedkar Ji has also said that what we have written in the world is very important.
13:11But what we have written in the world is very important.
13:12What we have written in the world is very important.
13:16So I think India is a peaceful democracy.
13:18We are the land of Mahatma Gandhi.
13:20I think we all believe in those principles.
13:22And whatever has to happen has happened,
13:24should happen through the will of the people.
13:26And where will of the people comes from?
13:27From China.
13:28China will be clean, clean,
13:31and we all want it.
13:37If you all look at the political parties together,
13:39you will both be together.
13:39It is like this.
13:41If you look at the world,
13:42it is a BJP versus all.
13:45Now you have all parties in the land of Mahatma Gandhi,
13:48and you have all non-political actors.
13:50क्योंकि एक मुद्दा बड़ा हो गया है मुद्दा किसी एक policy पर difference का नहीं है मुद्दा किसी एक procedure
13:56पर difference पर नहीं है मुद्दा यह है कि देश में जो विवस्ता है उसको यातावत रखने के लिए उसको
14:03honest and transparent रखने के लिए कौन-कौन हमारे साथ है उसमें NGOs भी हैं चात भी हैं
14:10है political platforms है हर वेक्ती है जो सचा देश पक्त है जो देश को एक और देश को सुरक्षे
14:15दखना चाहता है उमारे साथ आना जी जहां तक भाजपा की बात है BJP की सरकार खुद की तो है
14:21नहीं यह तो एक coalition सरकार है एंडिया सरकार है तो ऐसे नहीं कह सकते है we are against only
14:26BJP anybody who's running that government I think we oppose them in our
14:29principles but more importantly यह जो है सुनो हम पूछते हैं चुनाव आयोग CEC से सवाल जवाब BJP के प्रवक्ता
14:37जेते हैं ऐसा क्यों है भी the CEC is above party if I'm asking a question to the CEC they
14:42must clarify why is the BJP and the BJP spokesperson defending them all the time तो यह तो बड़ा open
14:47game हो गया भी
14:48so don't you think that it's one versus all it is people of India wanting what we believe is truly
14:54ours the right to vote the right to fair election because अगर चुनाव ही फेर नहीं होगा आप यह सापित
14:59कर दीजिये कि ज्यानेश कुमार अपना पत छोड़ें एक निश्पक्ष चुनाव आयोगा आजा है all we're looking for is a
15:05fair fight हार जीत तो जन्दा तैगरेगी हम चाह दो बार जीते हैं चार बा
15:14अगर वही मैलफाइड है उसमें अगर आपको लग दिख रहा है और राहूल गांदी जे प्रेस कॉमेस करकर के दस्यूमर
15:21दिखाया है कि यह आंक्रे हैं यह तत्थ है प्रमाण है डेटा है टैंजिबल डेटा है तैंजिबल डेटा इस बिन
15:25गिवन बिस्पाइथ देश्प
15:43झाल