00:15As a team, I would say that this baton you are carrying now, this has a very serious implication
00:27and I keep on telling to my colleagues in assemblies and to members of the Parliament in National Assembly
00:33and I spoke to the members in Sindh, specifically with the Speaker Sindh and many other friends
00:43that the vacuum is not left, it is always filled.
00:48These places, parliaments and assemblies, they were actually to discuss these things
00:55as these universities have taken this baton and passing it on every single week.
01:01I have been to this particular university at least ten times now.
01:06First when I came, it was local government.
01:09Then I came, it was a subject of smaller provinces, for and against.
01:13People were giving reason, people of letter and intellect, people debated it over
01:19and hours and hours we sat here.
01:21I also sat here for hours and hours, listening to the good arguments, listening to the substantiated versions.
01:30Then I came here, it was the Makkah Pact, there were arguments, whether it is a diplomatic front
01:36or a defence pact or it will have any economic implications in these regions.
01:43And now this water, specifically Indus Water Treaty and then the issues of Sindh and Punjab
01:49and then the issues between the provinces, between some canals being the six monthly canals
01:55and some canals, whole year canals and shortages of Q6 of waters, what type of water is being given or
02:02not.
02:02Everything being discussed, different perspectives and points of view came in here, all substantiated, all meaning reason.
02:11So thank you very much, Munir-e-Khan sahab and Awais sahab, this is something remarkable you have done.
02:19We sitting in the assemblies need to see, I have seen that, at least from the last 25 years, I
02:27am part of that assembly.
02:30I have seen governments, I have seen oppositions, I have seen hybrid regimes, I have seen the military control,
02:36I have seen the political dominance, I have seen the party rush where no opposition is allowed, I have seen
02:42everything.
02:43But one thing, for sure, which I can say, the quality and that,
02:48the quality of the people who said that this place will be the first time of the year,
02:53there will be budgets which will be passed, people will be making decisions for a life of 260 million people.
03:02It is just marred with chaos and I don't know what, I can't call it what I have to call
03:09it.
03:09It is just taking everything away, it is taking constitution away, it is taking procedure away,
03:16it is either politicized or biased, so this vacuum is being filled and we are all witnessing it.
03:25As far as this water treaty is concerned, I am a keen student of water.
03:32I just don't take my study and I just don't keep it limited to the ambit of Pakistan, India and
03:39China.
03:40I agree to Suhail Odaich, he has left the Danube River, it is the beauty of the world and people
03:47are co-sharing it.
03:49People have treaties there and people have disputes there and those disputes have been settled on the settled norms,
03:58on the settled principles which the International Committee have agreed to.
04:09If a party breaches in a particular manner, this is what the decision would be.
04:17For a treaty, there has to be a fundamental change of circumstances if it has to be done whatever is
04:27to be done in revoking it.
04:29There is no such thing as abeyance, I agree with Hassan, he has left.
04:33It is either suspended or it is not obeyed.
04:38Putting in abeyance is something, our Supreme Court came out with that word,
04:45which I had a great difference on that,
04:49that constitution is not something which could be
04:51kisi taak me rakh diya in abeyance, when we will need it, we will bring it back.
04:56No, that is not the case.
04:57So we just don't do it or we do it.
05:02So this suspension unilaterally, it has to be some fundamental change of circumstances.
05:10And fundamental change of circumstances, India is not eyeing at this just on pretext of this Pahlgaam.
05:20Prior to Pahlgaam, they were pleading with Pakistan bilaterally or on different occasions,
05:27they were pleading that there is a circumstantial change and environment was one of their cause.
05:33They were talking of it.
05:35And the reason I clapped upon the gentleman's remarks that we are living on the drains,
05:40may that be hadyara, I hail from Kasur.
05:43I am living in that environment.
05:47That stream is passing through my villages.
05:50Those are hundreds of villages, millions of people being affected.
05:54And you can't live there, it is inhabitable.
05:56You can't even think of living there.
05:58It is a place where you just feel like just migrating from that place.
06:03Our groundwater is contaminated, it is arsenic, we can't drink it, we can't irrigate our fields.
06:08It is just taking our life away.
06:10We know that.
06:11I have a problem, as Irfan Sahib had at Lahore.
06:15I have a problem, I live on the Sutlej bed.
06:17I have a problem, why my rivers were given.
06:20But yes, once you have to think collectively, then some sacrifices have to be made.
06:29If my Sutlej was given, if the Bias does not exist, and the Ravi is not there,
06:37living in Punjab, I might have the same case as Badeen has.
06:42They are under the fear of intrusion of sea.
06:45I am without the water at all.
06:48I am living upon the underground water.
06:52But I am not just the Pakistan.
06:54Pakistan is too big an idea.
06:57Can sub-nationalism take over the nationalism?
06:59This is a debate.
07:00People can have their point of views on that.
07:04Political correctness is a must.
07:05And this dialogue, I wonder whether the Council of Common Interest.
07:11I have been through the papers of Muslim League's government, of PTI's government,
07:20of People's Party's government, of military rule by different people, in hybrid regimes,
07:27and I yet have to find a conclusive document in Council of Common Interest,
07:32except the IRSA Accord.
07:34This is one consensus document we have.
07:36So it's a few objections.
07:38Historical use objection is there.
07:40Yes, we have it.
07:41That is a problem.
07:42We have to address that.
07:44Sindh has a point of view on that, and it has a lot of merit also.
07:48Undoubtedly, it has a merit.
07:50If Sindh has a problem that C is intruding in,
07:54and it might take away their agriculture, their livelihood, their districts, their cities,
08:02yes, there is a problem.
08:04Then, the Attorney General sitting on my left, he just asked a question there sitting with me.
08:11He said, can we do some intervention into it?
08:15Can we stop it?
08:17On our far side, we have seen in GCC countries,
08:23they have done it miraculously.
08:26They have done it for tourism purposes.
08:28It is our livelihood.
08:30Why can't we do that?
08:32We have such a huge wabda.
08:33This wabda is a body which can do many things.
08:39And as General Muzumil just told us,
08:41that there is a plan in which irrigation could be made possible,
08:46in which this intrusion could be stopped,
08:49so it could be spoken of.
08:53And the way to do it is that there should be an amalgamated approach.
08:59I suggest that the worthy President People's Party, Sindh,
09:05I invite him to the Punjab Assembly.
09:08Come there and sit with those who do not know it.
09:11Give your perspective.
09:13Let us forge a political consensus.
09:15The people from wabda and hydraulic experts
09:19should be going to the regional assemblies in Sindh, in Punjab.
09:23It should be in the committees of the National Assembly.
09:25These discussions should not be left here just for the declarations.
09:29Whole booklets should be published.
09:31And I, in conclusion, would suggest,
09:37as Suhail Wodaj, sir, pointed out,
09:39and I tried to jog my memory on that,
09:43in my law school I was a student of this dispute.
09:47That was between probably Hungary and Czechoslovakia,
09:54if I rightly recall it, Mansur, sir.
09:56That was the case.
09:57And in that case, Czechoslovakia disappeared on the globe as Czechoslovakia.
10:12It's split into two nations, they decided.
10:18And Hungary, in response to that,
10:22they said that our agreement is no more an agreement
10:26because state does not exist.
10:28Even that was not taken as a basis,
10:33as a foundation, as a principle,
10:35as a ratio of decidedly,
10:37that circumstantial change has happened.
10:40They said the river flows the way it flows.
10:42This was the decision of the International Court of Justice.
10:45So it is basically common sense.
10:48It's no hard thing to be understood.
10:50Now, my friends are saying that we are live in the media.
10:55So I can say that,
11:07I can say that.
11:09I can say that.
11:20and there was a sign that we could not be able to take our water and divert our water.
11:27And then we saw the protest in the sign. It was so much protest.
11:32In this way, in the same way, in the same way, in this form,
11:36that there was just dusted with the sand of that,
11:43that, that, that, that, that, that, uh,
11:49that there were 9,000 canal wrong engineering. I heard about the Indian Punjab,
11:56the today's chief minister, then he was the member of the parliament,
12:02the governor of the parliament. It's a treat to read that.
12:08It's the that the water, which is,
12:10it's, it's that the water, which I am talking about,
12:15the three eastern rivers, which I am talking about,
12:17on key diversions
12:19are the fault lines
12:21in Hindustan, how many
12:23and at which height are
12:24so these water issues are very
12:28let's say they need
12:29a serious consideration
12:31it needs
12:34an attention of an amount
12:36in which our
12:37academia, in which our
12:39people are the
12:41decisions of our
12:43security
12:45I am afraid of
12:47wars, I am not shocked
12:50that I am talking about any war
12:52I am afraid of those
13:07visuals, I don't want them here
13:09I don't want it
13:10I am going to listen to a liberalism
13:11I am going to listen to a good thing
13:13progressive
13:14I will listen to a good thing
13:15I will listen to a good thing
13:17I will listen to a good thing
13:18pero if somebody will try to
13:21impose it his
13:22hegemony on us
13:24so then it's important, it's important, it's important, it's in my humility that I will not accept someone's fault and
13:31I will fight with him
13:32and if he will do something in my own self-worth, in my freedom, in my water, then that is
13:40an act of aggression and we will take it as an act of war and we will respond to it
13:45that is the right position which we have taken
13:49so, ladies and gentlemen, in the end, thanking you all, the amount of time which we have given
13:56I must say, Mansoor, I know that you have many commitments, Khodo Sahib coming from sin, it means a lot
14:03یہ ان آوازوں میں سے ایک آواز ہے جن کو ہم سن کے اپنے ریے راہ عمل تلاش کرتے ہیں
14:10راہو صاحب آپ کا آنا جل مزمل
14:12and I would say Mohsin Lagari Sahib is one man
14:17جن کو میں نے کم از کم میں نے خود ذاتی طور پر تین دھائیوں سے مشاہدہ کر رہا ہوں
14:22کہ یہ سپانی کے مسئلے میں کتنی کوشش کرتے ہیں
14:26all of the gentlemen, Irfan Sahib, Rasmusud Sahib, they all gave a wonderful contribution
14:32and thank you all for being so patient listeners for that long time
14:36thank you
14:40thank you very much sir
14:42I would
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