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00:11Oblicidade é minha única arma
00:16Porque eu acredito que é muito difícil de matar alguém
00:20Quando o mundo está assistindo
00:55O regime que está em poder em nosso país
00:57É um regime de mortos
00:59E é importante dizer isso em pluramente
01:01E é realmente trágico, francamente
01:05Eu não tenho outra palavra para isso
01:06Que ele tomou uma guerra grande em meio da Europa
01:10Que Vladimir Putin está conduzindo contra a Ucrânia
01:12Para os líderes do Brasil finalmente abriram os olhos
01:15Para a verdadeira natureza deste regime
01:24Vladimir, você foi derrubado não uma vez, mas uma vez
01:27Você está preocupado que você vai ser mais tarde
01:31E talvez, essa vez, você vai morrer
01:37Bem, eu estou falando com você
01:38Olha, eu sou um político russo
01:39Eu tenho que ser em russa
01:41Eu acho que é minha casa
01:41Eu acho que o maior dono que nós podemos dar
01:43Para aqueles que estão em oposição
01:44Para o regime de Putin
01:45O que nós podemos dar para o Kremlin
01:46É só para dar e ir
01:48Eu acho que é tudo eles querem de nós
01:52Esse dia, um político russo
01:54O político russo
01:55Foi tomado pela polícia de Moscou
01:57Há horas depois de uma entrevista de CNN
01:59Como um dos críticos dos maiores doentes
02:01Ele foi uma figura clínica
02:03No ano global do Magnitsky
02:04O que apoia os abusos de direitos humanos
02:07Em Rússia e no mundo
02:08Seis pessoas conectadas com o caso do Magnitsky
02:11Acabaram mortos
02:13Sua esposa, Evgenia
02:14E seus três filhos
02:15Vão na U.S.
02:16Para a sua segurança
02:21Vladimir Karamurza
02:22Faces, you know
02:23A very bleak reality
02:24There's no execution day
02:26But this is a slow death
02:37So let's start with
02:39The most important question first
02:41How is your husband?
02:43Can you communicate with him?
02:45I haven't seen or talked to my husband
02:47Since April
02:49My only contact with him
02:51Is through his lawyers
02:53So far he's still kept
02:55At Moscow's 5th pre-trial detention center
02:57They're trying to silence him
02:59By putting him behind bars
03:01When I met your husband
03:03My last question to him
03:04Was why he decided
03:06To go back to Moscow
03:08Again and again
03:09Even after having been poisoned
03:11Two times
03:12Was there ever
03:13A moment when you told him
03:16Don't go back?
03:17If this is not too personal
03:19A question
03:19Please tell me
03:20If it's too personal
03:22We are a team
03:23We are
03:24We are
03:28I cannot tell him not to
03:29Because I know
03:31What this is about
03:32To him
03:33Calling on people in Russia
03:35To continue protesting
03:36From a safe distance
03:38Was never an option
03:46I am very new to all of this
03:48I am not a politician
03:49Like my husband
03:50I am not a diplomat
03:53I don't actually know
03:55What I am
03:56At this point
03:57But
03:58Now that he's been held
04:00By the same people
04:00Who tried to kill him twice
04:03I'm gonna be fighting for him
04:05For as long as it takes
04:24I guess I have one request
04:26Yeah
04:26Um
04:27Just not too much
04:29Okay
04:31Mom are you that worried?
04:36First of all I do not like make up
04:39Second I do not
04:40By being on live TV
04:42Thank you very much
04:43Good luck
04:46Next time you're doing it
04:48Okay
04:54Out front now with us
04:55Евгения Карамурза
04:56The wife of Владимира Карамурзе
04:58And now we are in the studio
04:59The wife of Владимира Карамурзы
05:01Евгения Карамурза
05:02Hello
05:03Hello
05:03Евгения
05:04What do you know about
05:05The situation of the situation
05:06Of the situation of Владимира
05:07Now
05:08He is in the window of the camera
05:10With three doors
05:11With three doors
05:12With the door
05:14With the door
05:15With no contact with внешним миром
05:17Except through the адвоката
05:19He asked for a phone
05:21To call him
05:22And he was in the window
05:23He was in the window
05:25He was in the window
05:25Evgenia Карамурза
05:26Was in the studio
05:27Thank you very much
05:28For the time
05:28You came to come
05:28Thank you very much
05:34Thank you very much
05:49Os filhos foram crescendo assim, vivendo em duas realidades paraleladas.
05:56Uma onde eles têm uma família amada, e outra onde o regime está tentando matar seu pai.
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06:15Nós nunca ficamos apartado por tão tempo.
06:18Em nossos 20 anos juntos.
06:22Nós somos irmãos de classe na Moscou.
06:24Nós nos encontramos quando ele era 10 e eu era 11.
06:27Eu não esperava que alguém se casse com um homem de 23,
06:34e tem três filhos, que na Rússia é um grande número de filhos.
06:43Isso, desculpe.
06:46Não, não, não.
06:47Esse é o meu lugar de força.
06:51Mas agora eu não tenho que gastar mais do que apenas alguns dias em casa.
06:58Eu não gosto de publicidade porque eu sou um introvertido.
07:03Mas Vladimir é cut de um diferente.
07:06Ele tem amigos de todo mundo.
07:08Ele está falando sobre os policiais de rússia para muitos anos.
07:15Antes de se tornar um policiais de rússia.
07:20Eu gostei dele estar em casa, trabalhando em sua casa.
07:24Ele está clando no seu computador.
07:26E eu gostei dele.
07:31Eu gostei dele.
07:44O que vocês ainda não foram?
07:45Eles foram os mocos por tudo isso.
07:49Eu disse que eles precisava de fazer minha roupa.
07:53Não estaria na rua.
07:56Eu preciso nos roguem em casa.
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13:19Vladimir is someone I like sharing breakfast with, who reads books, you know, he knows how to imitate different accents.
13:28He's amazing at that.
13:30Every time he would read to Daniel, I would crawl him in bed with them just to listen to him
13:36imitate all these accents. And that person is in this punishment cell.
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14:11An extraordinary 25 years in prison. 25 years in prison. That's an incredibly harsh sentence, even by Russian standards.
14:20They've slowly tortured these people to death in prison. It's not just Vladimir Karimurza, it's Alexei Navalny, it's Ilya Yashin.
14:2525 years is truly a life sentence for him.
14:34I am very much concerned about my husband's health because his health has significantly deteriorated over the past year. And
14:43he's now dragging both his feet and he's lost 22 kilograms. So over 40 pounds. I'm very grateful for these
14:50expressions of concern. But I need to see some actual actions.
15:13I am a U.S. citizen. All three kids are U.S. citizens. It is a green card holder.
15:18How are they doing?
15:20I know they are proud. I know they are all so terrified. Because, you know, they've been growing up with
15:25this. And they know that I twice brought him back. In 2015 and 2017. I brought him back and I
15:32know that they expect basically the same thing. That mom will go and make it right. Yet again.
15:37But the courage to go back to Russia. The courage when he didn't have to. And Vladimir is this type
15:44of leader who proven to be an outstanding character.
15:47And he's going to be transferred to the strict regime prison colony or prison. And they can just, you know,
15:55disappear him along the way and say they just dropped and died.
15:58Then they can say, oh, it's natural causes. Of course. Of course. We will work here on as many fronts
16:05as we can. And in a very divided Congress here, we have bipartisan support.
16:09Thank you all.
16:12Thank you for your time.
16:19Thank you for your time.
16:40Em uma forma estranha, essa vida com ele atrás de barras está apenas começando a se sentir mais real
16:44como o tempo passa.
16:45Me fazia que minha mãe escolheu continuar meu pai e que a força de trabalho
16:51é que o trabalho está em casa de carros de família.
16:59Bem-vindo ao 2023 Jeneva Summit para Human Rights e Democracia.
17:04Before we hear from our opening speaker, Evgenia Karvoza,
17:09I'd like you to pay attention to the screen where you'll see her husband,
17:12who stood on this podium several years ago.
17:18As so often in our country's history, the political cost
17:20and the personal cost of dissent in Russia today is high.
17:43Natalia changed her ticket and she flew back to the United States
17:46and she spent hours and hours with the FBI.
17:50They drained half her blood.
17:53So she has numbness.
17:57It was just like traveling symptoms throughout the body.
18:02At this point, she still has headaches.
18:08One arm is numb and along her spine.
18:13So yeah, someone's been doing this to activists, journalists.
18:19They can put food on your feet.
18:21I don't know.
18:22That's what they did in Natalia.
18:25Yeah.
18:26Use underwear.
18:27You can present yourself.
18:28And even if there are guards standing by my door,
18:31they can put it in my food.
18:33Yeah.
18:34Okay, just very quickly.
18:36Okay.
18:36Do you buy it in six hours later?
18:38Sure.
19:15I'm very concerned for Natasha because her symptoms are still there.
19:20She has these shooting pains throughout her body.
19:26Well, I will try to be more careful from now on.
19:31But on the other hand,
19:32how do you protect yourself from poisoning?
19:35I mean,
19:35how do you protect yourself from someone walking into your room
19:39while you're away
19:39and putting poison on your pillow
19:42or on your underwear
19:43like they did in Alexei Navalny's case?
19:46How do you?
19:47We still don't know how Vladimir was poisoned.
19:49Probably the same way.
19:53Okay.
19:55I was in a work meeting
19:56when I suddenly started to feel really sick
19:59and I went within about 20 minutes
20:00from feeling completely normal
20:02to feeling like a very sick man
20:03and I don't remember anything for the next month.
20:06When he was poisoned,
20:08we smuggled samples of his blood and hair and nails
20:12from Moscow to London
20:14so that I could take him on a train
20:15to a secret testing lab in Strasbourg.
20:18The Russian doctor's official diagnosis
20:20is an acute intoxication
20:22by an undetermined substance.
20:26When you're trying to breathe and you cannot,
20:28when you feel your organs shutting down,
20:30giving up on you one after another,
20:32and when you feel the life coming out of your body
20:33in the next few hours
20:34and you don't remember anything for the next month,
20:36and then for the next year,
20:37you're trying to relearn how to walk.
20:39Since then,
20:40how many people have died of poisoning
20:41at the Russian house?
20:42A lot.
20:43In the UK,
20:44there was multiple poisonings.
20:47It's just an old Soviet way
20:49of dealing with undesirable people.
20:59The plane was landing,
21:01and I looked out and I was like,
21:02oh, London,
21:03it'd be funny to be killed here,
21:05thought I.
21:07You thought that?
21:08Yep.
21:09Why did you do that?
21:10Because so many people
21:11were actually killed in London.
21:14I didn't go further into that salt.
21:17I brushed it off,
21:17and that plane landed,
21:19and I was off the plane
21:20and running to meetings.
21:23What was that?
21:31I believe there was going to be
21:33kind of big hostage swap at some point.
21:38And there's two types of hostages.
21:39There's the random hostage,
21:41and then there are the political hostages.
21:43Vladimir Karamorza,
21:45Alexei Navalny,
21:46Ilya Nyashen.
21:47Do you want Vladimir to be excluded
21:48in that rampart?
21:50Novalny's team have been,
21:51you know,
21:52on my kills over this.
21:53I then say,
21:55we need to talk about
21:56a prisoner swap
21:57for Norin and Novalny,
21:58but for Calderon's as well,
22:00and for others.
22:01Their pushback between
22:02Foreign Office
22:03is absolutely full.
22:04And they will say,
22:05the reason why
22:06we have fewer hostage issues
22:08is because our policy
22:09of not talking
22:10was painful
22:12is actually the way to go.
22:13That's what they feel.
22:14I'm not saying,
22:15I agree.
22:15I should say that
22:16we don't want to get involved
22:17in hostages
22:18because that encourages
22:19other hostages.
22:20It's just nonsense.
22:35Do your kids know
22:36about Natalia's poisoning?
22:37I don't think
22:39that they know
22:39this story specifically.
22:41Um,
22:43I haven't discussed it
22:43with them because,
22:44you know,
22:45it's enough for them
22:46to be afraid
22:46for the life of their father.
22:48I want you to give them
22:49a ride in the next hour.
22:50The guard of the eyes
22:51will be at 19-20.
22:56What's in your diary?
22:58My life.
23:00My work life.
23:03What does tomorrow look like?
23:07I'm trying not to think about it.
23:11Yeah, it's,
23:13you know,
23:14just giving all these interviews,
23:16talking about, um,
23:18difficult stuff,
23:19endlessly.
23:22It's already hard
23:23without them
23:25trying to exploit
23:27my vulnerability
23:28when they ask
23:30personal questions
23:31and I can't
23:32hold back tears.
23:38And, of course,
23:40in the face of something
23:40so many monstrous,
23:42you won't be strong.
23:43And that's,
23:44that's the image
23:45that you're going to project.
23:46Not just for your sake,
23:48but for the sake
23:49of everyone who's behind you.
23:51That's, that's,
23:52sort of, um,
23:55you have to be strong
23:57for others' sake.
23:58You have to be this
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24:01You know,
24:02and, yeah,
24:03I don't want to be seen
24:04with tears in my eyes.
24:05And I know that sometimes
24:07it's hard to
24:08come back.
24:09So, yeah.
24:12Ugh.
24:36And what are the,
24:38the diagnoses that have been given to you?
24:40It was, uh,
24:41exposure to nerve toxin.
24:44Basically,
24:45my nerves were burnt.
24:48Even in exile,
24:50we are not safe.
24:51The Kremlin's regime
24:52has very long tentacles
24:53in the West.
24:54but it also means
24:56that we are very,
24:57um,
24:58very effective.
25:01Yeah,
25:02I, I often ask
25:03in my interviews,
25:04but how about
25:05the personal side of it?
25:07Because this is
25:08personal.
25:10Oh,
25:10of course.
25:11This is definitely personal.
25:13Very personal.
25:14As it is
25:15for Marsha Naskalova's father.
25:18As it is
25:20for
25:28I miss so much.
25:31So much time
25:32with Vladimir,
25:33so much time
25:33with the kids.
25:36God,
25:37it's just,
25:38um,
25:41very often
25:42it does feel like
25:43there is no light
25:44at the end
25:44of this particular tunnel.
25:57you
25:58I
25:59I
25:59I
25:59Amém.
26:29Amém.
26:45Amém.
26:47Amém.
26:51Amém.
26:55Oh.
26:58Well, that's the inside.
27:03Or anything, Dan.
27:04I don't know.
27:06Oh, cassettes.
27:09The Beatles, yeah?
27:10The Beatles.
27:11The Beatles.
27:12The Beatles.
27:14The Beatles.
27:16The Beatles.
27:17The Beatles.
27:20It's kind of like...
27:21It's like a Russian world.
27:23Yeah.
27:25Look, the cassettes stay.
27:27You idiot.
27:30The cassettes.
27:32Let's go.
27:33Let's go.
27:39Let's go.
27:45The world expresses outrage and mourns the death of Russia's opposition leader, Alexei Navalny.
27:51He'd been serving out that 19-year sentence at a remote Pino colony in Siberia.
27:56The 47-year-old appeared gaunt, but seemingly healthy.
28:00Putin is responsible for Navalny's death.
28:03Yes, of course, after this brutal assassination of Navalny, we all started to think who is next.
28:08And I'm very worried that a very high on this target list of Putin is Vladimir Karamurza.
28:14Evgenia joins us live now.
28:16Evgenia, thank you so much for being here.
28:18How do you cope with the awful emotions you must have experienced the last 24 hours?
28:24When was the last time you spoke with him?
28:25Do you expect to see your husband again?
28:30Of course I do.
28:32Are you, as a family, prepared to receive the worst news?
28:37Because that's what seems to happen to the families of Russian dissidents.
28:54I woke up and saw all these requests from journalists.
29:01Again.
29:03Yeah.
29:05Mm-mm.
29:11What kind of requests?
29:13A comment.
29:16On the murder of Alexina Valny.
29:18On the death of Alexina Valny.
29:19Since then, I've been continuously repeating that it was a murder.
29:24Not just death.
29:25He did not just die.
29:27At least you got this devastating news when you would be with your family.
29:32And how was that?
29:34Easier?
29:36No, you just, uh...
29:41Do you have anyone that you talk to?
29:43I don't know how to answer that question.
29:46You ask ridiculous questions.
29:48How did you feel here?
29:49How did you feel there?
29:50I feel devastated and heartbroken.
29:54100% of the time.
29:56Every single day.
29:58Steven, seriously.
29:59You're just like that journalist who Captain Cap just...
30:02No, sorry.
30:04Yes.
30:05I hear you.
30:06No, it's true.
30:07Because how can I explain?
30:09I don't know.
30:11I don't have the words to explain that.
30:16Imagine that just, like, put yourself in my shoes.
30:20In the shoes of any family member of a political prisoner.
30:24You live with the understanding that your loved one can be killed any given day.
30:30How would you feel?
30:32Devastated.
30:36And I have to put on these lovely faces, you know?
30:39And go and talk to these people who tell me no, they would not kill him because he is too
30:44high profile.
30:46So what, what, how can I?
30:49I don't hear you.
30:54Have you heard from Vlad at all lately?
30:58Any letters?
31:00Yes.
31:04A couple of days ago.
31:09Did he talk about pneumonia?
31:11Oh, he was devastated, of course.
31:13This is just yet another political assassination.
31:28Now to the escalating crisis in Ukraine.
31:31Two years since its invasion, Russia launching a new offensive.
31:34Dozens of protesters have been arrested.
31:36With the help of tear gas and stun grenades.
31:40Wife of jailed Kremlin critic Vladimir Karamorza is calling for prisoner exchanges to secure the release of her husband and
31:47other political detainees.
31:48The number of political prisoners has grown under a Russian government crackdown.
31:57Everyone has a breaking point.
32:00And you don't know what your breaking point is until you're basically faced with it.
32:05It's truly a life sentence for him.
32:08My father's health has deteriorated.
32:09...limited access during the trial.
32:11The only thing that he won't survive.
32:16We do have some breaking news we want to get to.
32:21At this hour, there is a massive prisoner swap internationally taking place.
32:26A multinational deal considered the biggest in post-Soviet history.
32:29Involving 24 prisoners and multiple countries.
32:32We're not hearing any confirmation just yet, Ana, of who may be included in this prisoner swap.
32:38Again, we don't know who is in this exchange, but it's extraordinary.
32:41These are the first images of the American prisoners leaving Russia.
32:46Their first taste of freedom.
32:48Among them, Wall Street Journal reporter Evan Gerskovich.
32:51Today, we're bringing home Paul, Evan, also Vladimir.
32:55Oh, my God.
33:04Thank you, Dad.
33:09Thank you, Dad.
33:13Thank you, Dan.
33:15Thank you, Dad.
33:21I'm so sorry, Dad.
33:27I'm so sorry...
33:28Sorry...
33:29But then, she down.
33:31Please aren't going这样 by Georgeann, it's his screamed.
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