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02:33Special intensive revision, Guspaitiyas and a no-holds-barred attack against the Samajwadi Party.
02:40Yogi Adityanath has launched an all-out political offensive ahead of the 2027
02:44with the Pradesh Assembly elections at Pachayat Aajtak in Ayodhya.
02:48The Chief Minister trained his guns on Akhilesh Yadav,
02:52accusing the Samajwadi Party chief of indulging in vote-banked politics and in protecting infiltrators.
02:59He took a direct swipe at Akhilesh Yadav's PDA formula,
03:03revived his controversial ACBs or 80-20 pitch
03:08and projected a sweeping victory for the BJP-led alliance.
03:12And that's not all.
03:13The Uttar Pradesh Chief Minister also placed the special intensive revision exercise
03:17at the centre of his electoral narrative,
03:20alleging that genuine voters were missing from the electoral rolls
03:24while infiltrators needed to be identified and removed.
03:27Yogi Adityanath has brought identity politics
03:31and electoral arithmetic right to the heart of the Uttar Pradesh battle.
03:36On the show tonight, we will be decoding everything the Chief Minister has said
03:41to Ash Taks Shweta Singh with our panel of guests.
03:46But first up, let's take a look at what he said specifically in the context of the SIR exercise.
04:20To confirm, when the
04:23S.I.R. کے پہلے کی مداتہ سوچی بھی
04:26اور S.I.R. کے بعد
04:29جو مداتہ سوچی آئی وہ بھی سب کے پاس ہے
04:32ہم نے اس بات کو اس لئے کہا
04:34جو لوگ دوس پر چار کر رہے ہیں
04:36دیکھیں اس کے دو پہلو بہت سپسٹ ہیں
04:39ایک
04:42چناؤ جید گئے تو ان کا پرسارت ہے
04:47ہار گئے تو ای بی ام دوسی ہے
04:50پہلی بار ای بی ام کو دوسی ٹھہرایا
04:54دوسری بار
04:54S.I.R. کو دوسی ٹھہرایا
04:57بیہار میں ووٹ چوری یاترہ نکالی گئی تھی
05:02ووٹ ادھکار یاترہ نکالی گئی تھی
05:05الگ الگ راجیوں میں یہ لوگ
05:07الگ الگ پرکار کا ایک پروپوگنڈا کر کے
05:10ماحول کو خراب کرنے کا کچھ پریاس کر رہے ہیں
05:13یہ جو پروپوگنڈا ہے
05:18واسطوں میں یہ سچائی نہیں ہے
05:20یو پی کی سچائی کیا ہے
05:22کیوں اکھلے سیادوں کو بولو نا مانگ کریں
05:24کہ S.I.R. واپس لی لیا جائے
05:26وہ مانگ نہیں کرے گا
05:28اس لیے نہیں مانگ کرے گا
05:30کیونکہ یو پی کے اندر S.I.R. کے پہلے
05:32جتنے مسلم مدداتا تھے
05:34ان مسلم مدداتا ہوں میں
05:361.65% کی بردی ہوئی ہے
05:39S.I.R. کے بعد
05:40S.I.R. کے بعد
05:42اور ہندو مدداتا ہوں کی
05:43میں نے بتایا نا کیا ستیتی ہے
05:45تو آپ کو تو نقصان ہو جائے گا
05:46میں کیا کہہ رہا ہوں
05:47اسی لئے
05:49الیکسن کمیشن میں
05:50ہم نے بھی اپنا
05:51میمورنڈم اپلبد کروایا
05:54ہم لوگوں نے اپلبد کروایا
05:57کہ آخر یہ کن کارنوں سے ہوا ہے
06:00میں ایک کروڑ 27 لاکھ
06:02ان ہندو مدداتوں کی بات کر رہا ہوں
06:04جو اتر پردیس کی
06:08پنچائے چنوں میں جن کا نام ہے
06:11لیکن بھارت میں رواج ناڑیوک کی
06:13مدداتا سوچی میں ان کے نام نہیں ہے
06:14یہ گائب کیسے وہ ہیں
06:17کون اس کے پیچھے تھا
06:2066 لاکھ وہ مدداتا ہیں
06:2255 لاکھ مدداتا
06:24وہ ہندو مدداتا ہیں
06:25جو ساسن کی لافکاری
06:27یوشنائی پرابط کر رہے ہیں
06:29لیکن مدداتا سوچی سے ان کا نام گائب ہے
06:3218 اور 19 ورس کے
06:34ایسے 45 لاکھ مدداتا ہیں
06:36جن کے نام مدداتا سوچی سے گائب ہیں
06:38آپ کے شاسن میں ایسا کیسے ہوگی
06:40یہ شاسن کا استقصیب نہیں ہوتا
06:43یہ بھارت نرواشن آیوک
06:45ایک سوطنتر
06:47سمیدھانیک سنستہ ہے
06:49یہ بھارت نرواشن آیوک
06:51اس سب کا سنچالن کرتا ہے
06:52اور انہی کے ہم نے اپیل کی ہے
06:55کہ یہ پرمان ہیں
07:04ان کے نام آپ ڈلوائیے
07:11توڑا ایسے کرتا ہے
07:12ان کے ساتھ میں انہوں نے توڑا
07:131.27 مرحبوں
07:15ہندوonia
07:16The letters were deleted in Uttar Pradesh. Now, Arvind Kejriwal has said, and he has in fact put out a
07:23clip of the interview saying that EC does whatever those in power tell it. He has told Yogi Aditana, they
07:30are out to finish you. And he says, congratulations in advance, Akhileshji.
07:37So, you know, this, of course, is an interview which has generated a lot of political conversations. Joining me on
07:44the show tonight, Amitabh Tiwari, founder of Voter Wipe.
07:47Rashid Kidwai, author and political analyst, is joining us. We have Gansha Amtiwari, national spokesperson of the Samajwadi Party.
07:54Tuhin Sina, national spokesperson of the BJP. Tuhin Sina, many would say that Arvind Kejriwal is fishing in troubled waters.
08:01But is there really troubled waters here? Is there an acceptance of troubled waters here?
08:09Well, good evening, Mariya. Good evening, everybody. A very happy post-Tiwali and Kovardhan puja to everybody.
08:15I hope Gansha Am would also be celebrating Kovardhan puja.
08:19You know, Yogi Ji's interview has made one thing very clear, that the entire SIR is an absolutely neutral process.
08:28And that is perhaps why Akhilesh Yadav has not been participating aggressively in the vote-chory campaign.
08:35Of course, you know, the spokespersons have been doing a different time on television.
08:39But Akhilesh Yadav, per se, has been very circumspect.
08:43And that only proves that SIR has been a very neutral...
08:47How? I mean, maybe you have read something about his political moves in recent months,
08:51that we as political journalists haven't.
08:53So how do you think that Akhilesh Yadav has been circumspect?
08:59For him, vote-chory has never been the core issue like Rahul Gandhi,
09:04like it has been for Rahul Gandhi in state after state.
09:07Rahul Gandhi, per se, is also a negative person. That's another thing.
09:10But the point is, the SIR has been a completely independent process.
09:14What has Yogi Ji subsequently said?
09:16That we have raised the issue with the Election Commission
09:18because we believe in a democratic process.
09:20We believe in conversation.
09:22And we are also confident that our BLAs are large in number
09:28and they would make sure that a majority of those who have been unfairly deleted,
09:33if at all, will come back into the voting list.
09:37So we believe in a, you know, we believe in a democratic...
09:40Let's have Ghan Shyam on the screen, please.
09:42Let me bring in Ghan Shyam specifically on this.
09:44Ghan Shyam, here is Arvind Kejriwal congratulating Akhilesh Yadav, saying,
09:49Akhilesh Ji ko advance mein badhai.
09:51Will he accept that badhai?
09:54A good invite to you, the viewers and the Ferroco panelists.
09:56I'm very happy Diwali to everybody.
09:59We believe that even in the gas chamber of...
10:02And respond also to what Tuheen said,
10:04that he hopes that you are celebrating Govardhan Puja.
10:08Even in the gas chamber of Delhi,
10:10where children are coughing and the elderly are in trouble,
10:15led by BJP, created by BJP,
10:17each of us want to do our best for the country
10:20without doubting each other on what our fail is.
10:26All right.
10:28We'll...
10:28Okay, we'll try and fix that line with Ghan Shyam.
10:31Ghan Shyam.
10:33It is a tragic irony for General Shah and Gyanish Gupta,
10:36because what Adityanaji is saying is a template across any state in India.
10:41So you have the state election commission
10:43that maintains one set of roles for local polls.
10:46And then you have Gyanish Gupta and General Shah
10:48who has created another set of roles for the country.
10:51And there's a difference.
10:52Then there's an accusation,
10:54the entire Gen Z,
10:55who General Shah's police and goons of BJP beat black and blue,
10:58especially the Daughters of India.
10:59They came on the street because their names were not there.
11:02Adityanaji is saying the same thing,
11:04that the 18 plus new voters,
11:06the names are missing.
11:08The third thing that he is saying is,
11:10that beyond that,
11:11beyond these two differences,
11:13there are extra differences.
11:14So the adult population,
11:17by any census in India,
11:18any data research in India,
11:19is around 102 crores.
11:21As per General Shah and Gyanish Gupta,
11:24SIR has 88, 89 crore people.
11:25Where are these 15 crore people?
11:27This is what the entire discussion is about.
11:29So somehow Adityanaji got the wrong memo.
11:32Maybe he read the opposition speech
11:34in going into that interview,
11:35because he has to say one final thing,
11:37which is even Sherlock Holmes may not be able to crack it.
11:40How does Adityanaji know that
11:42how many Hindus are there,
11:43how many Muslims are there?
11:45No, he responded to that.
11:46To that specific question that was asked by Shweta.
11:49He responded by saying that,
11:53that based on,
11:55let's play that part specifically.
11:57I'm going to play that chunk of the interview again,
11:59so that if both of us find an answer
12:02to that specific question,
12:03I would request the producer
12:04to play that interview chunk again.
12:37We have a little bit more than that.
12:38Do you have any questions that you have to ask?
12:41Do you have any questions that you have to ask?
12:44on a personal level.
12:45The SIR was behind this one.
12:49And the SIR was behind this one.
12:54The SIR was behind this one.
12:55We got this one.
12:58The people are experiencing it.
13:01We got this one.
13:01We got this one.
13:05One.
13:05One.
13:07One.
13:11One.
13:15foreign
13:16foreign
13:18foreign
13:18foreign
13:18foreign
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13:50ॐ ॐ ॐ
14:20ॐ ॐ ॐ ॐ ॐ ॐ
14:22ॐ ॐ ॐ
14:54ॐ ॐ ॐ ॐ
15:05ॐ ॐ ॐ ॐ
15:15ॐ ॐ
15:17ॐ ॐ
15:23So he has given pranam, you know, evidence to suggest that there is a problem here.
15:29Gansha, I'm coming to you, but let me bring in Rashid Kidway.
15:31Rashid, what does it speak about what's happening between Delhi and Lucknow?
15:37You know, for Yogi Adityanath, first to say, talk about 1 crore, 27 lakh Hindu voters being deleted
15:45and then explaining it in details as to how he knows about it
15:49and why he is so concerned about the entire exercise.
15:52Then you have an overactive UP CEO talking.
15:56I know every time there is a model which is revealed, you know,
16:00be it by the Congress Party or by the Samajwadi Party, be it the Pili Bhut model or otherwise.
16:06They take action. What really is happening in the context of Uttar Pradesh?
16:10So, Maria, clearly the distance between Delhi and Lucknow is not just about 500 kilometers.
16:15It is much more deeper.
16:16However, this here is a situation where the Chief Minister is at variance
16:20with my good friend who is sitting here, Mr. Tuhin Sina.
16:23He is indicting the Election Commission.
16:26He is talking about what we all are saying, what the opposition is saying,
16:29what the thinking citizens are saying, that the Election Commission is incompetent.
16:33Election Commissioner has made a mockery of the electoral process.
16:37People who voted for Panchayat, people who voted for Lok Sabha 2024,
16:42do not figure in it to the magnitude of 1.27.
16:45I urge Mr. Tuhin Sina to hear, you know, Mr. Yogi Adityanath loud and clear
16:51and join the, you know, chorus for impeachment of Mr. Gyanesh Kumar Gupta.
16:56This is what better would you need?
16:59Here he is saying, and it's, I don't want to get into the Hittu Muslim binaries,
17:03but what is happening, and Maria, you understand politics very well.
17:07And this also reflects that, you know, what is there, the central, you know, high command,
17:11and what is there in Uttar Pradesh.
17:13Yes, why do you think, Amitabh Tiwari, why do you think, Amitabh Tiwari,
17:18here is the Uttar Pradesh Chief Minister, indicting the Chief Election Commissioner?
17:26I don't think it's about indicting.
17:29If you see the statement in the whole context and the question which Swetha asked,
17:34he is basically referring to the fact that if and when Samaj Baadi Party is going to lose the polls,
17:40then they will raise the bogey of EVM, or the opposition earlier used to raise the bogey of EVM.
17:46Now they have a reason of SIR.
17:49And it's time to say that in SIR, it's not that just the core voters of the Samaj Baadi Party
17:56or their names have been deleted.
17:58It's also that the voters of BJP's names have also been deleted.
18:04And one cannot argue that because of SIR later, I mean, post polls,
18:10and I think his confidence is also given a number as to how many seats he's going to win,
18:15is the reason that will come up.
18:17So it's largely trying to neutralize the attempt of the opposition at a later point of time
18:22to say that the elections were lost due to SIR.
18:26See, on SIR, if you see the spokespersons appearing on national televisions
18:31across channels of Samaj Baadi Party,
18:35you will see that different people give different reasons.
18:39In fact, I have heard Samaj Baadi Party spokespersons also claiming
18:42that they have been able to retain their voter bases,
18:45whereas the names of voters of the BJP have been deleted.
18:50No, but the similar claim was made also by TMC in the run-up to Bengal elections
18:56that, you know, they were not really worried about what's happening in the context of Bihar
19:01when RJD approached the Supreme Court.
19:03TMC was certainly confident that their BLAs had done all the calculations
19:07and they would ensure that their own voters are very much there on the voter list.
19:13That was the claim also that was made.
19:15Yeah, so that's what he is attempting to say.
19:19That either you have been able to successfully
19:23keep the names of your core vote base in the SIR draft list,
19:28if at all, you have not been able to do that.
19:31It's not a problem which only the Samaj Baadi Party is facing
19:35because this is a problem which every other party is facing
19:38because of lacuna in the system of the SIR.
19:41Because if you remember, there was a program launched by the BJP
19:46to add 200 voters per booth after the first draft was released
19:52because they were appreciative that the names of voters
19:56and the example which he is giving,
19:57that example even Samaj Baadi Party is giving,
20:01that the number of voters is not tallying in the Panchayat roles
20:06and the Assembly Elections role.
20:08So if he is saying the same thing,
20:10I don't know why there is controversy regarding that.
20:12Okay, Gansham, quickly, 30 seconds.
20:14And then we move on to another chunk of the interview.
20:17Yes.
20:17I thought Amitav was a man of numbers.
20:19He completely is undoing what he stands for.
20:22With that aside, the question that I asked
20:25and no one addressed it,
20:27how does Adityanath know how many Hindus and how many Muslims?
20:30He doesn't mention in that answer.
20:32By the way, the numbers he is quoting is,
20:34even those numbers are wrong, Maria.
20:36The State Election Commission has 16.91 crore voters in their list.
20:41Pre-SIR, there were 15 crore voters.
20:44Post-SIR, 2 crore voters were deleted.
20:46So what Gyanesh Gupta and General Shah have done
20:48is he has created a maddening set of numbers.
20:51They don't match with one another.
20:52My final point, final point.
20:54If Adityanath says that 1.27 crore Hindu voters are missing,
20:58there is a mismatch between the State Election Commission
21:00and the SIR, which is more than 3 crores.
21:03The mismatch from pre-SIR, post-SIR, 2.58 crores.
21:07So if it is 1.6 crores...
21:18Yeah, first of all, since my friend Ganshyam keeps asking,
21:24how do you know their Hindu votes, you know?
21:26We know largely by the names and the surnames.
21:29Unless Ganshyam also, like Khargeji,
21:32believes that Diwali is a Khusiyoki Eid,
21:37I would consider him a Hindu.
21:38Similarly, from the names, you would know
21:41whether they are Hindus or Muslims.
21:42But the point is, you know, what strikes me about the interview
21:46is Yogi Ji's confidence.
21:49You know, he's not complaining.
21:50He's not being a crybaby like Rahul Gandhi.
21:52Look at the confidence.
21:53He says, we have put up the issue with the Election Commission.
21:56We are confident it will get sorted.
21:59And yet, we are confident about a grand victory.
22:02I think this is what matters in the end.
22:04And I think opposition parties should also draw a lesson
22:07and stop being...
22:08I'll move on to look at another part of this interview.
22:11While Yogi Adityanath is banking on his ACBs
22:14or 80-20 arithmetic, Akhle Shah,
22:16Yadav, remember, is countering with what he says
22:19is moving ahead of MY,
22:21which was earlier Muslim Yadav,
22:23to now PDA, which is Pichhara Dalit Al-Sankhyaq.
22:27Two political formulas,
22:29two rival strategies,
22:30and a high-stakes battle.
22:32Can Yogi's 80-20 really trump
22:36Akhle Shah Yadav's PDA?
22:38Here's a report.
22:40And then I bring in the guests.
22:46Uttar Pradesh CM Yogi Adityanath
22:48is setting the tone for 2027
22:51well before the campaign officially begins.
23:15At Panchayat Archduk in Ayodhya,
23:18the chief minister said 80% of votes
23:21would back the BJP and its allies,
23:24leaving just 20% with the opposition.
23:27He has projected a 350-plus seat target
23:30in the 403-member assembly
23:32and pitched Suraksha, Sushasana,
23:35and Samridhi as the BJP's electoral plank.
23:3980-20 ki terevye chunau jayega.
23:4280% the voters
23:45joh
23:47rastvahat ko lhe karke,
23:48sanskritik rastvahat ko lhe karke,
23:50Suraksha ko lhe karke,
23:51Sushasana ko lhe karke,
23:52samridhi ko lhe karke
23:54apna ashrivahat o samrthan dhenge,
23:56wap BJP or NDA ke saath mein hooga.
23:59Jinnye in wye mudde patsannd naiheen hai.
24:02Jinn,
24:03joh dhanggaon,
24:04dhanggaiyong ko patsannd kartay hoon,
24:06jinnye arajakta patsan hai,
24:08jinnye karfyu patsan hai,
24:10vye BJP or NDA ki virodh mein jayenge.
24:16But the 80-20 formula is not new.
24:20Yogi Adityanath had used a similar formulation
24:22ahead of 2022 elections.
24:25And its political interpretation
24:27has repeatedly triggered controversy
24:30with critics linking it
24:31to the state's religious divide.
24:55The Samajwadi Party's counter is PDA,
24:59Pichra Dalitra Alpsankhyaq.
25:02Akhleesh Yadav has accused Yogi
25:04of targeting marginalized communities
25:06and has positioned PDA
25:08as a coalition of backward classes,
25:11Dalits and minorities.
25:37But Yogi Adityanath is turning the tables
25:41on Akhleesh Yadav.
25:42In his latest interview,
25:44he mocked PDA as Pariva Development Authority,
25:48accusing the SP of putting one family
25:50ahead of social justice.
26:26So, the political battle is clear.
26:29Yogi is banking on governance, security and welfare
26:33to consolidate support.
26:35Akhleesh is betting on social representation
26:38and the PDA coalition
26:40to challenge the BJP.
26:4380-20 versus PDA.
26:46Two slogans,
26:47two competing political narratives
26:49and one crucial question.
26:52Who can turn their arithmetic into votes
26:54when Uttar Pradesh goes to polls in 2027?
26:59With Shweta Singh, Bureau Report, India Today.
27:07Tuhin, in 2024 Lok Sabhai elections,
27:1180-20 didn't work.
27:12It is the PDA and the formula of Akhleesh Yadav
27:15which actually turned the table.
27:20You have to unmute yourself, Tuhin.
27:28Well, Lok Sabhai elections had different considerations
27:30and assembly elections will have different considerations.
27:33What matters in the assembly elections
27:35is 9 lakh government jobs
27:37out of which 2.25 lakhs were given
27:42in the police department.
27:44One of the reasons,
27:45one of the key reasons
27:46why Samajwadi party goons
27:48are spending their time at home.
27:49The huge development of Kashi,
27:53Mathura and Varanasi.
27:56Today, if Ayodhya gets you
27:57an yearly GST collection
28:00of 10,000 crores,
28:01imagine the economic development
28:03in a radius of 50 kilometers
28:05in these cities.
28:06So I think these are the core issues,
28:08the eradication,
28:08the elimination of Japanese insiphylitis
28:11which every year on an average
28:13used to take 600 to 700 reported deaths.
28:16The development of Bundelkhand
28:18which used to be a barren zone.
28:19These people never opened
28:21any industry in Amethi.
28:22Today, Amethi is in the process
28:24of becoming a defense corridor.
28:26It would pass through that.
28:28So I think these are the core issues
28:29and there is no distinction
28:31that people in Uttar Pradesh
28:33clearly identify BJP
28:36as the party which has delivered,
28:39which has raised the GDP
28:40from 13 lakh crores to 31 lakh crores.
28:43I think these are issues
28:45which really matter in the elections
28:46and there we are way ahead
28:47compared to the Samajwadi part.
28:49Okay.
28:50Ghansha, will you respond?
28:5280-20 has surfaced again.
28:55Well, to your viewers,
28:57let's think on a day
28:58when BJP thinks that
29:00calling Diwali Eid
29:02is a national security issue
29:03and is against the religion.
29:10Let's look at this panel.
29:13According to Aditya Nat,
29:14Mariya, you are in 20.
29:16Rashid Kidwa is in 20.
29:18This mediable politics
29:19in the age of AI
29:21is dumb.
29:22There cannot be a better word for it.
29:24People have defeated it
29:25in Uttar Pradesh in 2024.
29:27And again, according to BJP,
29:29General Shah,
29:30the daughters of India
29:31are not in there
29:32whatever 80-20 they want to create.
29:34Muslims are not there.
29:35Christians are not there.
29:36Sikhs are not there.
29:37Booths are not there.
29:38Pishra, Dalit, Al-Sankhikar
29:40are not there.
29:41The youth who want jobs
29:42are not there.
29:43The 20 or 80,
29:44whatever they want to create,
29:46are the set of people
29:46who donate to BJP,
29:4720 to 25,000 crores
29:49in 10 to 12 years
29:50that they have amassed.
29:51A handful of industrialists
29:53they want to sell their nation to.
29:55The people who US
29:56puts a complaint against.
29:57Maybe Epstein is also
29:59in their 80-20 formula.
30:01But the common man
30:01is not there in 80-20.
30:03I'm sure Epstein
30:04will not be a talking point
30:05in UP elections.
30:08Where is Epstein's
30:08church in the U.P.
30:09in the U.P.
30:09where is Epstein's
30:10going to be?
30:11When we go to Hardi Puri
30:12and we will show
30:14our poster
30:14and talk to Epstein's poster
30:16but that aside,
30:19people defeated BJP
30:21on this hate speech
30:22none other than
30:23the Prime Minister of India
30:24conducted hate speech
30:26in 2024 elections.
30:28He was defeated.
30:29Even in the MLC elections
30:30they were defeated.
30:31So people who are defeated
30:33on hate speech
30:34they don't trust themselves.
30:36Amit Shah doesn't trust Adityanath.
30:38Adityanath doesn't trust Amit Shah.
30:39That's why the electoral role issue.
30:41They don't trust their government.
30:43After 10 years in power.
30:44You know what increasingly
30:45we are seeing
30:46and Amitab and...
30:47Just 10 seconds.
30:48Just 10 seconds.
30:49Go ahead.
30:49Go ahead, Tameen.
30:50I think Ghanshyam has got
30:52the distinction between
30:5380% and 20%
30:55horribly wrong.
30:56Right now
30:5780% is nationalist
30:5820% are dimagi naqsals.
31:00I think that is the distinction
31:01over here
31:02and that is what it will be.
31:04Okay.
31:04So at least
31:05both of you are smiling
31:06on the show
31:06even when we are talking
31:07about the most divisive issues
31:09that's really disturbing.
31:10But yes
31:10let me bring in
31:11Amitab Tiwari
31:12and Rashid Kidwai.
31:13Amitab
31:14you know
31:14in battlegrounds
31:16such as
31:17Uttar Pradesh
31:18Bihar
31:19we have increasingly seen
31:20that caste
31:21is the dominant issue.
31:23That it is
31:24Pichadas
31:25the Dalits
31:26and which way
31:28they will go
31:28will decide
31:29who wins
31:30these elections.
31:31After winning
31:3337
31:33in
31:352024
31:35elections
31:36are there signs
31:38that any of these
31:39PDA
31:40parties
31:41or PDA
31:42castes
31:43which Akhilesh
31:44managed to
31:44win his side
31:46would have
31:47disintegrated
31:48this time
31:48in two years time?
31:51Now if you see
31:53even the
31:54social coalition
31:56which was created
31:57by BJP
31:58is built on caste
31:59and the social engineering
32:01which they created
32:03consists largely
32:04of the general category
32:05plus non-Yadha OBC
32:06plus non-Jadha Dalit.
32:07This is around
32:0860% of population.
32:10So if
32:10even if 75%
32:12of these
32:14cohorts
32:14have been voting
32:15for the BJP
32:16that translates
32:17into 45%
32:18vote share
32:18and they have been winning.
32:20So the Samajwadi party
32:21or the opposition
32:22was largely left
32:23with 40%.
32:24Now what happened
32:25in 2024
32:26is this non-Jadha Dalit vote
32:28because of the
32:28Sammidaan Khatriya Meha narrative
32:30which is around 10%
32:31shifted towards
32:32the Samajwadi party
32:33or the India bloc.
32:34So it became 50-50.
32:36And
32:36for the
32:38trouble of the BJP
32:40the contest
32:41in UP
32:42has shifted
32:43from a triangular
32:44battle
32:44to a bipolar
32:45battle.
32:46So in 2017
32:47when they came
32:49into power
32:49BSP got
32:5122%
32:52vote share
32:52and NDA
32:53got
32:54325 seats
32:55325 seats
32:56but in 2024
32:58Lok Sabha election
32:59the BSP
33:00fell to just
33:019% vote share
33:02and if you convert
33:03the assembly leads
33:04the 37
33:05Lok Sabha seats
33:06into assembly leads
33:07BJP's tally
33:08or the NDA's
33:09tally is 174.
33:11So BSP
33:12falls from
33:1322 to 9
33:14and NDA
33:15falls from
33:15325 to
33:17175
33:17150 seats.
33:19Now which are
33:20the vote blocks
33:20which were damaged?
33:21Largely the
33:22non-Yadav OBCs
33:24and also
33:25the non-Jatav Dalits.
33:27Now there is
33:27an argument
33:28that the
33:29Samvidhan
33:30Khatriya Mein
33:30narrative
33:31no longer
33:31exists.
33:32So where
33:33does this
33:34non-Jatav Dalit
33:35who had
33:35voted
33:36in large numbers
33:37for the
33:38Samaj Wadi
33:38Party alliance
33:39largely because
33:40of the presence
33:41of the Congress.
33:42Congress is
33:42the softening
33:43factor in
33:44that alliance
33:45because the
33:45Samaj Wadi
33:46Party has
33:46been trying
33:46to vote
33:47the Dalits
33:47for a long
33:48time but
33:48it was not
33:49happening.
33:49So I think
33:50this is the
33:51vote base
33:51which could
33:52again go
33:54back to the
33:54BJP if
33:55they come
33:56up with
33:56something like
33:58the cash
33:59incentive scheme
33:59which was also
34:00spoken on in
34:01the interview.
34:01Correct.
34:02So this is a
34:02vote.
34:04That narrative
34:05is no longer
34:05on the ground.
34:07Okay.
34:07So if
34:08Samvidan
34:08Khatriya Mein
34:09is no longer
34:12a selling
34:13point here
34:13Rashid,
34:14then what
34:15is the
34:16Congress
34:16Party
34:17bringing on
34:17the table
34:18as far as
34:19this alliance
34:19is concerned?
34:20What is
34:21their
34:21combination
34:22in terms
34:22of narrative
34:23or caste
34:24factors?
34:25So
34:26we must
34:26understand
34:26that 80%
34:27business is
34:28all Jumla
34:29Bazi,
34:29it's a
34:29bravado,
34:30it's just
34:30to keep
34:31your
34:31carder
34:32happy.
34:33You know
34:33in
34:33Uttar Pradesh
34:34the BSP
34:36World Bank
34:37that Amitabh
34:37was referring
34:38to
34:38traditionally
34:39acting in
34:40past two
34:40elections
34:41as the
34:41biggest
34:41insurance
34:42policy
34:42for the
34:43BGP
34:43in State
34:43Assembly
34:44elections.
34:44Now
34:45that is
34:45disintegrating.
34:46Mr.
34:47Amit Shah
34:47in 2017
34:48had very
34:48painstrictly
34:50built this
34:51kind of
34:51social
34:51coalition
34:52of smaller
34:53caste
34:53and non
34:54Yadav
34:54OBCs.
34:55Now
34:55that is
34:56also
34:56disintegrating
34:57because
34:57the way
34:58Mr.
34:59Yogi Adityanath
35:00likes to
35:01operate
35:01is something
35:02that he is
35:03not a
35:03coalition
35:03builder,
35:04he is
35:04not a
35:05consensus
35:05builder.
35:06So
35:06these
35:06kind of
35:07things
35:07are posing
35:07a lot
35:08of problems
35:08for the
35:09BGP
35:09at the
35:10ground level
35:10and I
35:11think the
35:11Congress
35:11is there
35:12as Amita
35:13was saying
35:13rightly so
35:14to get
35:15this kind
35:15of a
35:16chunk
35:16of
35:16Dalit
35:17vote.
35:17If that
35:17happens
35:18then the
35:18BGP
35:19will have
35:19a lot
35:19of
35:19problems
35:20to face
35:21Akhil
35:21Aish
35:21Adha.
35:22Okay,
35:22another
35:23talking
35:23point
35:23in this
35:24election
35:24is going
35:24to be
35:25Chadhava
35:25Chori.
35:26When that
35:26specific
35:27question
35:27was asked,
35:27remember
35:28the
35:28Ram
35:29Mandir
35:29issue
35:29has
35:29once
35:29again
35:30triggered
35:30a
35:30political
35:31war
35:31of
35:31worse.
35:31Chief
35:31Minister
35:32Yogi
35:32Adityanath
35:33has
35:33called
35:33the
35:34Chadhava
35:34Chori
35:34incident
35:35unfortunate
35:35asserting
35:36that his
35:37government
35:37along with
35:37the
35:38temple
35:38trust
35:38did
35:38everything
35:39possible
35:39to
35:40bring
35:40the
35:40culprits
35:40to
35:41justice.
35:41He
35:42took
35:42a
35:42swipe
35:42at
35:43Samajwadi
35:44Party
35:44Chief
35:44Akhil
35:44Aish
35:45Yadav
35:45who
35:46is
35:46scheduled
35:47to
35:48travel
35:48to
35:48Ayodhya
35:49along
35:50with
35:50his
35:50wife
35:50Dimple
35:51Yadav
35:51on
35:51December
35:5112th.
35:52Yogi
35:52Adityanath
35:53has
35:53said
35:54that
35:54those
35:54who
35:54once
35:55ordered
35:55fighting
35:56on
35:56Ram
35:56devotees
35:56subjected
35:57saints
35:58to
35:58Lati
35:59charge
35:59and
35:59neglected
35:59the
36:00holy
36:00city
36:00must
36:00apologize
36:01before
36:02visiting
36:02the
36:03shrine.
36:03Let's
36:03listen
36:03in.
36:25Dura
36:26Bhaagya
36:27Poon
36:27Ghatna
36:27Pera
36:28Siram
36:28Jan
36:28Bhum
36:29Tirit
36:29Chhetra
36:29Trust
36:30which
36:30made
36:32trust
36:32is
36:35Raja
36:36Sargaar
36:37Koi
36:37Bhum
36:37Kha
36:37not
36:37trust
36:38in
36:38Raman
36:38Me
36:38It
36:39is
36:40trust
36:41is
36:42autonom
36:43is
36:43to
36:43be
36:43made
36:44because
36:44Manny
36:45Chitam
36:45Na
36:45Lai
36:46has
36:46been
36:46made
36:46by
36:48Suraqsa
36:48K
36:48Suraqsa
36:49Suraqsa
36:50Suraqsa
36:51Suraqsa
36:51Suraqsa
36:52Suraqsa
36:52Suraqsa
36:53Suraqsa
36:54We have to keep our friends by our friends, we have to go and get our friends and our friends.
37:01We have to go and get our friends,
37:04and our friends will get us.
37:09We have to support them.
37:16Marene ki ri rihta hai hai lekin ci siyèi se ni aurne touse se senti Preni ha umana ka
37:22ha bhi is maiale me tadkal karwaiya ya tarwee aaga var hy cha yur harua ha
37:28hai am is karwaiya ko aaga ya Fiyari lodge kiya do si te up labdh saakse
37:34o parman ke adhar pa unke khalaq karwai ki mamla supreman kote MA ne
37:39we have böedest many other matters that we haven't written here
37:49We have all the things we have done in our society.
37:54Our society has done this work and I will give it to you.
38:01The people who have taken care of the trust,
38:04the people who have taken care of the trust,
38:24।
38:26some people who were sentenced to 6-7
38:32because of the reason
38:33they will have to wait to get rid of the rams
38:34among the rams
38:39they will do to get rid of the rams
38:41but they are still
38:43even if they are not
38:44from the rams
38:45if they want to
38:48they can act
38:50on their feet
38:51and they will
38:52make them
38:54against their
39:16Today you will see that in the SIRRAM JANBHUMI PARISAR
39:22So
39:24All right.
39:54foreign
40:00foreign
40:01foreign
40:01foreign
40:01foreign
40:02And this is not that in the Ramajanam Bhoomi Parishar in today's day Gidra Jatayubi is the first one in
40:11Ramayana.
40:13This is our Krityatah. This is our Krityatah. This is our Krityatah.
40:17These are the Krityatah who are the Krityatah.
40:24Lekin Ayodhya mein kahi bhi Ravan ka, Marich ka, Subahu ka, Tadka ka, koji chinn nahi hai.
40:37To jab unka chinn nahi hai to unke bhakt kyun ana chahte hai mein yehi prashna karna chahta hoon.
40:45What's taking Khilesh Yadav to Ayodhya?
40:49Ghanshyam Tiwari, is it more like he wants this issue not to be part of the election conversations and hence
40:56just be done with it kind?
40:59In the line of the examples he gave, kants ka ayodhya mein kya kam hai?
41:05Jo kants hi hain, wohi oppose kar sakte hain jab koi mandir jata hai.
41:09Or jinn logon ke acharan kants jaisen hain, hum unke, unse namhafi wangenge, na unke kehne par ayodhya jane na
41:15jane ka nindne karenge.
41:16But to the substantial issue, on 15th July 20, this year 2026, and on 19th July 2026, Aditna twice mentioned
41:25that
41:26Ayodhya mein jo chori hoi hai, Prime Minister said 45 crore devotees have gone to Ayodhya.
41:38Aditna ji said that on twice, doodh ka doodh paani ka paani ho jae ga.
41:42Now he says in the interview that the Home Secretary States is appointed by him, the DM appointed by him.
41:49Every member of that trust is appointed by either Amit Shah or Prime Minister and their office.
41:54So in every person guarding the donation is appointed by either the Prime Minister or Aditnaath.
42:01These are the two people who go there with cameras alongside CCTV.
42:04Sohin, is this an issue which is a matter of concern for the BJP?
42:07There is no place to hide.
42:09Will it hurt you? Are you fearing that it can hurt you?
42:13Basically, Akhilesh Yadav has shown that like Rahul Gandhi, he is a Chunawi Hind.
42:18You know, it took him three long years.
42:20We invited, he was invited for Pran Pratishtha. He refused the invitation.
42:23He could have gone when the mandir construction was completed last November.
42:28In fact, what happened at Pran Pratishtha, one of their MPs, Shafirul Rahman Bark, who is no more,
42:34in fact said that I am waiting for the day when a masjid will be recreated over here.
42:38So this has been the attitude of the Samajwadi Party.
42:41But I have been asking all Samajwadi Party spokespersons, since they are all devout Hindus
42:47and they believe in, you know, Sanatan roots.
42:49I am just asking them and I am sure Ghanshyam may be able to do that.
42:53Put your hand on your heart and say that the Krishna Janma Bhumi temple is a Krishna temple.
43:00It's not, you know, an Eidga.
43:02We will all wait for the court verdict.
43:04We are all committed to the rule of the law.
43:06But I am sure you must be having your voice of conscience
43:09and that voice of conscience I am sure will make you say that the Krishna Janma Bhumi temple is a
43:14Krishna temple.
43:14You will not be able to say that.
43:18Well, it is only BJP that asks people to prove their faith on television.
43:22And it is only BJP whose leaders go to the temples with camera.
43:26And it is only BJP that ensures that when theft happens those cameras are off.
43:31My name is Ghanshyam.
43:32Ghanshyam Krishnabhagwan ka bhi naam hai.
43:34तो इस तरह के जुमले भारती जनतापाटी ने पिछले 12 सालों में famous कर दिये हैं
43:39कि TV पर बार बार रो भार लोग लोग को बोलो
44:09Let me bring in Amitab and Rashid.
44:14Rashid, you know, will this be a talking point or will the chief minister appear to be a man who
44:23walked the talk?
44:23Will he be seen as a strong leader who actually ensured that justice is delivered in terms of timeline?
44:30He said within 24 hours an SIT will be constituted, SIT will submit its report, action taken.
44:36Will he be seen as a man of words and actions?
44:39The fact that it happened, you can make a technical point that this was the Supreme Court had said there
44:44should be a trust, etc.
44:46All the appointments were made by the government of the day, so it's a political, you appoint SIT and all
44:51just like a case of theft and you have a probe.
44:53So, I think this has hurt, you know, the sentiments and it has shaken people's face.
44:58Whether it will translate into votes or vote against the government or not, I'm not so sure.
45:03But it is something that, you know, people are very alive to this and they feel betrayed.
45:08Okay, so there is another part in this interview which is about contesting in Ayodhya.
45:14Remember, both the leaders, both the present chief minister and the former chief minister and Achillesh Yadav have dared each
45:23other to contest from Ayodhya.
45:24Let's listen into what Yogi Adityanath said specifically in that context.
45:30So, Yogi Adityanath, do you have to fight with Ayodhya?
45:33Look, we did not fight with Ayodhya.
45:37We did not fight with Ayodhya.
45:37Those who gave me the answer to me, I gave them the answer to the answer to the answer.
45:42But when they were standing up, then what would they do?
45:46So, you will not fight with Ayodhya here?
45:58We have a fight with Ayodhya.
46:13Our peace is going to be on the other side.
46:20You have to fight with Ayodhya.
46:42All right, we have really come to the end of this discussion.
47:01Prime Minister Narendra Modi has spoken to President Zelensky of Ukraine.
47:07President Zelensky shares his perspectives on recent developments and ongoing conflict.
47:13Prime Minister Modi has conveyed India's readiness to contribute to peaceful resolution of the conflict.
47:19The two leaders discussed ways to further strengthen India-Ukraine bilateral cooperation.
47:24Prime Minister Modi had a telephone conversation.
47:27That's what has been shared by the Prime Minister's office.
47:31And in fact, President Zelensky has also put out a tweet where he says that
47:37I spoke with Prime Minister Narendra Modi and briefed him on the latest diplomatic developments.
47:43We are actively preparing on every item on the agenda for the meeting in Abu Dhabi.
47:49The Prime Minister has said more than once, including directly to the Russian leader,
47:54that now is the time to end the war, not to continue it.
47:57border Questo friends.
47:57me
47:58And here's, bro.