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00:13Hello and welcome to Gangs All Here. My name is Ryan Sampson. That's our Jets beat writer
00:16Brian Costello, freshly off the plane from Kansas City. There's a lot to talk about on
00:21today's episode. Before we get to any of it, Kaz, how are you doing today, buddy?
00:26All right, Ryan. 3.45, wake up, 6 a.m. flight from Kansas City. Had a lot of barbecue last
00:34night too before I went to bed, so sleeping was not easy. So yeah, I'm powering through
00:41today. Get some of the meat sweats going from all the barbecue. Tell you what, you ever
00:48go to Kansas City, Ryan, Q39 is a great, you know, I'm not getting a paid endorsement here,
00:53but man, what a restaurant. Great restaurant. I love it, man. Give me all the smoked meats.
00:58Love barbecue food as well. Kaz, before we get into the game itself, we have to start with
01:03the report this morning of Will McDonald requesting a trade out of the Jets. What are you hearing
01:09and what do you think ultimately happens with Will as the trade deadline is tomorrow at four
01:14o'clock? Yeah, look, this has been brewing for a while. Will hasn't been happy for a while.
01:19I think it's been clear. His role has been reduced. It was clear in training camp, Ryan.
01:24When we show up in training camp, you know, we're not allowed to report depth chart stuff
01:29in training camp, but he was with the third team the first week of training camp, and it
01:32was like, okay, something's going on here. He never really fit Aaron Glenn's system, felt
01:38like. So, yeah, he's finally at the point. He requested a trade. I talked to a source
01:43this morning about, you know, he's trying to handle this with the coaches. They've tried
01:48to have conversations, you know, with the Jets, with the front office, with the coaches,
01:54and nothing's being resolved. You know, he feels like he's kind of been playing when they
02:00need him in terms of injuries. Obviously, Joseph Osai's been hurt for most of the season.
02:05And Imbari missed a game. David Bailey missed a game. And whenever that's happened, Will
02:10has kind of stepped in. And then he goes back to 23 snaps a game when the guy comes back.
02:15And at some point, Osai is going to return, and his role is going to be reduced again.
02:20So, you know, I think he wants to go somewhere where he can play. Obviously, these guys have
02:25a finite number of years to play football, and he wants to go somewhere where he's going
02:30to be used. And so I understand it. The Jets have been pretty steadfast. I mean, he was
02:35a guy people asked about last year at the trade deadline. The Jets said no. He was a guy people
02:39asked about during the offseason, and the Jets said no. He's a guy people have been asking
02:43about in recent weeks, and the Jets have said no. Does this change anything? I'm not sure.
02:48You know, I think it's going to be an interesting next 28 hours we have to the deadline.
02:56Aaron Glenn this morning said Will's not going anywhere. So that's clearly what they're thinking
02:59right now. Now, does a team come out of the blue today and or tomorrow and offer them
03:04something that they don't see coming? Like, you know, a second round pick or something
03:08like that? Then maybe they're singing a different song, and maybe they make a move.
03:14But I think it's going to be interesting to watch what happens here in the next 24, 28
03:20hours.
03:21Yeah, to what you're saying, Kaz, Aaron Glenn said we're in the business of keeping good
03:24players.
03:25Yeah, I'm a little tired of that line, Ryan, because this team traded away Sauce Gardner and
03:28Quentin Williams last year. So like, it's a lot easier to say that if you didn't just
03:32trade your two best defensive players last year. And I'm not criticizing those trades.
03:35They've obviously looked out great. I understand why they made them. But stop saying that line
03:39is my like, stop. No, you showed you will trade good players if you get the compensation, you
03:45know, get compensation for them that you desire. And that's the way the NFL franchise should
03:49operate. So I'm a little just tired of hearing, yeah, we don't trade good players.
03:53I thought what was interesting, though, this morning is he also said, you know, look, things
03:57can change, you know, like, I'm not going to say any, you know, anything's finite or definite
04:01that we're not going to trade will, then anything can happen.
04:04Well, I didn't say about will. He kind of said that overall about the trade.
04:07Overall, right. But I think, yeah, so that's where I would follow up with you.
04:11Well, he was pretty definitive. He said, well, what was going to be here?
04:14Well, it's funny, like you just mentioned 23 snaps yesterday. I have a possible 65.
04:19He's a rotational player at best right now. They are thin at the edge edge spot, but they're
04:23clearly not putting him in spots to be using his best tool as a pass rusher. He only rushed
04:29a passer on 14 out of 23 snaps that he played yesterday. So you're not using them every down
04:33when he is playing to be a pass rusher. And, you know, he's tried to say, like, you know,
04:37we use them in different spots. I like he talked about interior rush. He only used them once
04:43or twice on an interior rush slash twist. So that was a lie in itself right there. And I just
04:48don't think Aaron Glenn is being very truthful in these spots when you guys do press him on
04:52these questions in your estimation and everything you're hearing. Do you think at the end of
04:57the day, tomorrow, four o'clock, will McDonald gets traded or not?
05:02Oh, that's tough, Ryan. I mean, they've been, I've, they've been pretty adamant that they're
05:07not going to trade him. So I'm inclined to say no, but I don't just don't know how contentious
05:12it is right now between Will and the team. How far is he willing to go to try to force
05:17their hand? Is he going to be, Will is not a guy who I think can be disruptive. Like
05:21it's just not his nature. But do the conversations between his representatives and the Jets get
05:29that way? And again, does Mouji get a call from, from a team now like that, that says,
05:34you know, I mean, I, I think Will's value is probably low right now, uh, compared to where
05:40it was in the off season, but can, can he get something for him? Mouji's shown he's good
05:44at this. He's good at, at working out deals. So maybe they find something. So I, I'm really,
05:50I'm 50, 50, right. Whether he's going to be here. Cause they've been so adamant that
05:54they're not going to trade them, uh, be, be surprising to me. But again, maybe they,
05:58they get something that they can't say no to. And look, there's no defending Aaron Glenn
06:04as a head coach anymore. Uh, and we can get into the game tactics and, and, and his coaching
06:09style and all that. And it is what it is, but I am, I do have to bring up when
06:15he did
06:16talk to you guys last year as his first year as head coach. And you had all asked him about
06:21what's Will McDonald's role. Like, what do you expect to use him? Has he reached his full
06:25potential here? Can you get him to reach his full potential? He said, it's coaching.
06:29It's coaching. I can get it out of him. So doesn't that speak even more to Aaron Glenn,
06:34not being able to use Will McDonald to the best of his abilities here?
06:39Yeah, it was a stupid answer at the time. And it's a stupid answer now. Like, um, it was
06:45a shot at Robert Sala that that one was completely unnecessary. I thought the penalties one was bad,
06:50but that one was really unnecessary. Like when we all had 10 and a half sacks in a year
06:55with Sala and, uh, Jeff Ulbrich and he had potential the year before that as well. Um,
07:01so yeah, it, I feel like Ryan with Will, there's a disconnect between the coaches in the front
07:08office because the front office is so adamant about not trading him that clearly they see
07:12they have an athlete there who can rush the passer, but the coaches don't seem interested
07:18in using him. So like Riley, if you're not going to, if, if, if he's a rotational player
07:23that's playing 23 snaps and he's going to make $13.8 million next year, why wouldn't you trade
07:30him? Even if it's a fifth round pick at this point, just to get them off the books, like
07:33why would you want a rotational player on your books for that much money? So it tells me like
07:40the, that the front office thinks he should be playing more than he is, but the coaches just
07:44for whatever reason are not playing him. That's interesting stuff there cause, uh, and we'll
07:48see what happens. Like you said, over the next 28, 30 hours, if the, if Will McDonald's still at
07:54New York jet in terms of the rest of the trade deadline, again, what is your sense on how this
07:59team, what Aaron Glenn's saying, what you think the front office is leaning is, do they make any
08:05deals whatsoever? Are they going to continue to stand by the pact of we're not interested in
08:10trading away our players this year? Yeah. I think if they make any Ryan, it's going to be
08:14a minor, you know, nation right for a 2028 seventh round pick type of deal, right? Jarvis
08:20Jarvis Brownlee played two snaps yesterday. They made the switch to Ponds, Funga that we've been
08:25waiting for. So do they flip Brownlee for a day three pick, you know, stuff like that. Nothing
08:31that's going to move the needle, nothing with Bruce or Garrett or anybody else that's been
08:35rumored out there. Will's kind of the wild card on this, but I think it's going to be
08:40a pretty quiet trade deadline for them overall. And do you think that's a smart decision for
08:45this roster still? Like what you had told me last week of they need to keep this roster
08:49somewhat competitive with the players and you can't just trade away your best players.
08:54Brees is a tricky one in my mind, right? If, if I got a day two pick for Brees, I
08:59think
09:00I'd move, I move them because I, what I've seen from Braylon, I think he could be the lead
09:05back and I would probably go that way. But yeah, I understand if they're not getting
09:13that offer, hanging out to Brees and Brees is a good player too. So yeah, I think everything
09:19is about next year, right? And who that, who they're going to draft that quarterback. We
09:24all assume they're going to draft a quarterback. That guy can't walk into what Sam Donald walked
09:29into or what Zach Wilson walked into where his best receivers aren't that good. He doesn't
09:34really have a good offensive line. Like this, this feels like if you look at it, if you're
09:39starting to go, okay, what do they need in the off season? They need to find that quarterback.
09:43They maybe can upgrade at center. I would say on the offense. Other than that, offensively,
09:50I don't think there's a lot of priorities. I think it's defense, defense, defense that
09:53they have to fix. So I wouldn't be trading away those, those players right now.
09:59I completely agree with you. I, I, I would be more apt to, Hey, Brees Hall. He's a luxury
10:07at this point. If there are teams out there willing to give us a day to pick, let's make
10:11the deal. Because like you said, Braille and Allen look like one of the best running backs
10:14in football the last four weeks. And let's get into yesterday's game because wow. Yeah.
10:21There you go. Good transition. Yeah. Look, let's start with that running back rotation. They
10:26only ran the ball twice in the second half. They went completely away from it. The Jets
10:30offense was not good in the red zone. Again, settling for field goals cause, how are you
10:34looking at this game overall? Now that you are 36, you know, less than 24 hours removed
10:40from the game.
10:42Um, what I expected, right? Like, uh, you know, it's, it's what I think I picked on the show
10:48last week, 35, 17, I was off by five points. Like it was what I expected. It's the same stuff
10:54we've seen from them. Um, um, the, you know, you just knew the first drive was awesome. Like
11:00it was like, Holy cow. They're marching down the field there. They use breeze. They use Braylon.
11:04They either Cooper, they use Sadiq. It was like, wow, they're throwing all over the place. They
11:09even threw to Mitchell. He didn't catch it, but they threw to Mitchell. Like they were really
11:12getting everyone involved. It was like, this looked like a freaking good offense. Like they held
11:16the ball for seven minutes, I think. And then they get to the five yard line and you know,
11:22the same stuff. They, they just stall out and they kick the field goal. And then it's
11:26field goal after field, after field goal, you knew that there was going to bite them.
11:30Um, and it did, yeah, the running, I think they ran four times in the second half. I think
11:34they each had two carries. Breece and Braylon had two carries each in the second half, but
11:38I don't know why they got away from it so quick. Again, these like, oh, we were down, you
11:42were down by nine points. And in my mind, they really weren't hitting explosive plays in
11:48the past game yesterday. Gino tried with that one to 80 Mitchell that he dropped.
11:52But other than that, they weren't really getting the ball downfield. It felt like
11:55to me, Breece was very close to breaking one. And we've seen Braylon break them.
11:59Like you're almost as explosive running the ball as you are passing the ball on a
12:03day like yesterday. So, and it keeps the defense a little off balance. Like they
12:07were just pinning their ears back and teeing off on Gino. So I thought they got
12:11away from the run too soon. Um, you know, and it's the same story offensively that
12:18we've seen there. They, they, they move the ball, move the ball and then they don't
12:22capitalize. Uh, like the, the, the biggest thing to me, Ryan of like watching that game
12:28yesterday was like, and this is, this is a bad team and the chiefs are a good team was
12:34the chiefs. Justin Fields comes in, sneaks, fumbles it, gives you the ball at the fucking
12:41around the 30. The jets go three, three plays and kick a field goal. Um, David Bailey crushes
12:49Patrick Mahomes, gives the ball in, in chiefs territory. They end up missing a field goal
12:55there. The chief Braylon Allen fumbles. The chiefs take two plays to score a touchdown.
13:02Like the chiefs made the jets pay for a mistake and the jets never make a team. They don't
13:08make teams pay for their mistakes. And that's like, that to me was a stark difference of
13:13like, this is what good teams do is like, if you, if you fumble at your own 20, you're
13:18screwed because they're going to get, they're going to get in the end zone. And then the
13:22jets, it was like, eh, okay. Great play by Bailey kills my homes. They get the ball and
13:28they get no points out of it. So, um, the jets just are a bad team right now doing bad
13:34things. And then defense is complete mess. And to what you're saying, the jets finally
13:40won a turnover battle yesterday, but they still can't capitalize like you're saying and converting
13:45them into actual touchdowns. Uh, what did you make though of the rotation between hall and
13:52Allen? Did you have any issue with the way that that was, that was being used yesterday?
13:56I mean, Allen actually got more snaps than Brees, but Brees, no, I mean, it was what I
14:01expected. I think I was, I think I said seven, seven and he had eight. Right. So it's what
14:09I expected. It's like, it's this mentality of Brees is the starter. He doesn't lose his
14:13job. Cause he got injured and it's very old school. They're like Frank Reich and Aaron
14:18Glenn are old school dudes. They're not going to do that. So, um, I thought early on, I thought
14:24it was a nice mix and then it seemed, they got away from Braylon. Um, once he, I'd like
14:29to see it, once he fumbled, they, they, they made him pay for it, obviously make him sit,
14:32but he kind of just, yeah. Didn't get the ball. I'd like to see more 50, 50 split. Right.
14:38Honestly, I think that's what you do. Brees was running well. So I don't think it was like,
14:42Oh, put Brees on rice. Like I thought he was running the ball pretty well, but it just, uh,
14:47yeah, I think, I think you need to go more 50, 50. And, and on the part that you're talking
14:51about where it's the same old stuff every single week with this jets offense, being able to move
14:55the ball well between the twenties. And then once they get close to that red zone, it just becomes
14:58really frustrating for the offense to operate it. Cause I just wonder the play calling again.
15:04It's just, it's, it's, it's not creative. It's not smart. Like they don't target Mason Taylor in
15:11the red zone. They don't target Kenyan Sadiq in the red zone. Like are we overreacting to these
15:18things just because we're so close to it all the time? Or is it's like, it felt like even
15:23JJ were like, what the hell are they doing in the red zone? They can't convert.
15:28I think what's frustrating is that you've seen them do it sometimes go back to the first drive
15:33of the season. Sadiq end around, right? Like, where's that gone? Or you can't run an end
15:39around all the time, but like fake off the end around, like they should be doing like adding
15:43onto that play and using it. And then, uh, I can't remember which game it was where Omar
15:48Cooper came out of the backfield running back. That was against the dolphins where he scored
15:53that. That was a nice play. That was a really nice play design by Frank Reich. Like where,
15:57but so like, can't you, if you're not gonna run that play again, can you do something off
16:01of that? That's just different. That's similar to that. And, and, um, there it's just like,
16:08like they come out and back shoulder to AD run the ball for a one yard loss,
16:14sail the ball out of the end zone on a third down. Like it's just straight like drop back
16:17passes. By the way, he had Isaiah Williams open. I looked, I watched the film again on
16:21that first drive. Williams is a walk-in touchdown. He beat his corner into the inside. The safety
16:27was way too far back in the end zone. And Gino's looking right at him. I just don't like
16:31they're, they're the missed opportunities. They're just like, I, I, I can't explain it.
16:36And then like, I go like the chiefs, right? They, their first touchdown, the one where
16:42Kenneth Walker's wide open, like you watch the play design and you're like, cause at
16:46first you're like, wow, why is he wide open? Then you watch the replay. Like, oh, they
16:50had three guys on the left who all went to the right. So the safeties were all flowing
16:54that way. Then they basically ran into the linebackers almost like almost caused the pick
16:58play. The linebackers get caught in the wash and Kenneth Walker's wide open. So it's
17:02like, that's an Andrew Reed touchdown. He designed that play and it worked perfectly.
17:07Like you just need that stuff in the red zone and the Jets feels like they go so basic, like
17:14basic drop back passes, uh, run up the middle stuff. Um, you just, just like, yeah, I like
17:21to see a little, it doesn't have to be a double reverse pass, but you just want to see them
17:25design more plays where you're like, oh wow, that's a good play design. And they've done
17:30it a few times this year. Like I mentioned, it's just not consistently. And I was thinking
17:34about this, right? I don't know how much you fly, right? But I, I fly frequently, obviously
17:39with this job. And one of the most frustrating things for me is like you, your flight, you,
17:46it's amazing. Air travel is amazing when you think about it, right? I get from Kansas City
17:50to Newark and New Jersey in two and a half hours. And then you'll, you land on the tarmac
17:57in Newark and I go, the gate's not ready. So you're like, you're looking out the window
18:02and you can see the airport. You're ready to go. You're ready to go home. Then you get
18:06to the gate. We got to the gate today. Uh, the bridge, the jet bridge was driven, uh, incorrectly
18:14and it's not lined up with the door. We have to start all over again. Like this is like the
18:19Jets offense. You get there, you get there. You're seeing the freaking end zone. You're there. You're
18:23right there. You're right there on the five yard line and you can't get it in. So it's just, I'm,
18:28I've never seen anything like it, right? With this and with this team and how there's such flashes of
18:34good offense and then nothing. It's one step forward, two step back. It feels like that's been the
18:38mentality and ultimately the execution of this team all season long. Cause I I'm curious what
18:44you think about this. Do you think that there's just, cause everyone else is talking about social
18:49media. There's so much talent on this jets team, especially on the offense. They are just not
18:55getting the proper execution and results because of the coaching. Do you blame that on the coaching
19:00or do you blame it more on the players? Uh, I think it's a combination and, and to be clear,
19:06right. The talent is on offense outside of David Bailey. Oh yeah. He's talented. The rest of the
19:11Jets defense, let's, let's stop with this. They're so talented. The, the, the, the offense is, has talent.
19:16What the offense has is young talent around, right? And so they're just, I would put Garrett and
19:21Brees in a different category. They're experienced, right? So they, they, but these other guys are
19:27still learning on the job. Omar Cooper is barely played. Uh, Kenyon Sadiq is, is learning on the job. Uh,
19:34even 80 Mitchell, he's like, he's played, but he hasn't had, he doesn't have a lot of experience.
19:40He hasn't played a ton of games yet. So I think that's part of it is just the consistency isn't
19:48there with the younger players. Mason Taylor, I'll throw in there as well. Um, but clearly the,
19:53the coaching is part of this. And again, you look across town at what's happening with John
19:59Harbaugh and like coaching makes a difference and coaching is that, you know, when there's,
20:08there's things in the margins, red zone, third downs, two minute drills, that's, that's where
20:14you see the coaching. Like some of the years when you guys were screaming about coaches,
20:18whether it was Todd Bowles or Adam Gase or early on Robert Sala, that wasn't talent on those teams.
20:24It was like, you're looking at you like, you're screaming the guy, the guy's, you know, number
20:28one receiver is Deontay Burnett. Like what, what is he supposed to do? Like they, they, they're
20:33counting on, uh, who is the guy they brought in from the Buccaneers? Uh, Perriman, Perriman,
20:39Rashad Perriman. Yeah. Like they're counting on Rashad Perriman as a number one wide receiver.
20:43Like, no, uh, no, it's not going to work. So yeah, like coaching, I think comes into it when
20:49is just pushing that over the, over the top. I do think in fairness to the coaches,
20:54there are some, some guys here are still learning things and Gino has been good, but he's just,
21:01he's got such limitations, Ryan, because of his mobility. Like I look today, he doesn't lead the
21:07league in sacks. He's thinking he's third, but he leads the league in sack yardage. Like it feels
21:13like he's always losing like 10 yards on a sack. Yeah. And it's always on down too. It's brutal.
21:19Yes. It's brutal. Um, I want to switch to the defense because there's a lot of discourse again,
21:26amongst the fans on that. The, the jets defense gave up yesterday in the second half, Aaron gave
21:31up. I've seen that. And Aaron Glenn said, I will never question a player's, uh, effort on the second
21:37half. What did you see yesterday from that jets defense? Yeah. Effort is a tricky word, right? Yeah. Um,
21:45I don't like, I'm not one to question players efforts either. I, I don't think, I don't think
21:50NFL players quit necessarily, but I think what happens is you just get bloodied and beaten and
21:58you start to weaken. Um, and I think that can look like quitting on film. Uh, so to me, it's
22:05the
22:05jets just got the crap beat out of them yesterday. And by the end of that game, the defense just
22:10had
22:10nothing left. I don't think it's like, they're going to ask for it. I don't feel like playing
22:14anymore. They're there. These guys are very proud competitors, but I think it was like, if, if you're
22:20in a boxing match and you just take him blow after blow, after blow, after blow by the 10th round,
22:26it's hard for you to get your hands up anymore. And I think that was the jets yesterday. I think
22:31it
22:31was just hard for them to defend, uh, because they just got bludgeoned by a really good team.
22:36Um, so that that's my take on it. Uh, I just, I don't, I've never watched a game and thought
22:43people quit. I just, I don't know. I don't, I don't believe in that really. Well, one of their
22:49highest paid players, uh, was the worst graded defensive player according to PFF and Demario
22:54Davis yesterday on all the defense. Was he really? Yeah. He was at 28.1 grade according to pro football
22:59focus. Uh, age, age is always a factor here cause because age comes for everyone. And
23:06you start to wonder it, did the jets make a smart investment by bringing him in? Because
23:11I know he was brought in for his leadership, the play we all knew was going to be solid
23:16to maybe, maybe somewhat below average, but it feels like it's really dropped off these
23:20last couple of weeks. What was the breakdown of a run versus pass? Because I thought he was
23:26good against the run. And I think, and I think all season he's been pretty good against the
23:29run. So the, uh, the run grade, he had a 41, uh, PFF grade against the run. That was
23:37the third lowest on the team yesterday. So I haven't watched the film yet, but watching
23:43live, I didn't, he didn't jump out to me as a problem against the run. He, I thought
23:47the chiefs would be an issue for him because they have two running backs that can catch the
23:52ball. Now they ended up not really going to the rookie. He even ended up playing at the
23:55end of the game. He didn't, he had 130 yards against the Broncos and then didn't really
23:58play yesterday, but Kenneth Walker early on, they were throwing him a ton. Obviously we
24:03know what Travis Kelsey can do. So those are linebacker assignments, you know, tight ends
24:07and running backs. So I had a feeling it'd be a rough day for him, uh, in coverage. You
24:13know, I'd have to go back and watch the runs. I know he got, I saw the screen, the touchdown
24:17by Kenneth Walker. It looked like he kind of got washed out there. He was the lowest graded
24:23defender in past coverage yesterday too. Yeah. That's the risk you take, right? With
24:27an older guy, they wanted his leadership at some point, you know, father time is going
24:32to win and you're going to drop off. And I definitely think he's dropped off. Uh, I still
24:39think he can play okay against the run. I think you're going to have a tough time when you get
24:42teams that like to throw to running backs and tight ends though. It's going to be a long
24:46days for the jets. Ultimately, who would you blame then for signing someone like Demario
24:51Davis? Is this an Aaron Glenn or Darren Mugee or are they both deserve the blame here for
24:56forgetting? They share it. Yeah. They share. Cause in fairness, right? I think I brought
25:01this up before here. There was a point like in this off season where I felt like every
25:05move jets fans liked got Darren Mugee got credit for and anything they didn't like it
25:09was Aaron Glenn. I was, it's both of them. Now clearly Aaron Glenn's fingerprints are on
25:14signed to Mario Davis. They were together in new Orleans. That was something he wanted, but,
25:18but, but Mugee went along with it. Like, you know, Mugee, we can't just give Mugee credit
25:24for the things that have worked out. Well, not many of the signings have worked out to be
25:28honest with you, but, um, yeah, they both share, I think. And, uh, looking at the defensive
25:36moves, it's hard to praise any of them. I guess sweat played well before he got hurt. Uh, he
25:42was playing okay, but you know, Minka doesn't look good. He's another one. And he, he looks
25:47old to me. Um, Oh, so I can't get on the field and the bar is okay. Um, but they're
25:54paying
25:54him a lot of money. Yeah. Yeah. So it's hard, hard to get excited about any of these moves.
25:59I mean, it speaks volumes when your best player on the field yesterday, defensively
26:02was your rookie or number two overall pick. Like, and I was saying this to Frankie yesterday,
26:06like it's amazing what we're seeing for David Bailey. And I want to hear your take on him,
26:10but it also speaks to me, the state of this defense, your number two overall pick on defense
26:15should not be your best player right away like that. Like it, and I mean that like, that's the
26:20state of the NFL. Like you want those guys to make impacts for you when you make early
26:23picks like that, but you also want them to, to learn and slowly progress their way into
26:28the NFL. The Jets defense is that awful though. Like they don't have any high impact players.
26:33You've said it before on this, on this podcast many times, there's just no high impact players
26:38in this defense, but let's talk about the one guy that was making an impact. David Bailey,
26:41another two sacks yesterday, another two forced fumbles. He's putting up numbers cause that only
26:46Julius peppers has put up in his career in terms of first eight games in his career. What are you
26:50seeing from the kid? Yeah. I mean, he was relentless yesterday, especially the first half. I thought the
26:56second half, the chief started running the ball a little bit more kind of, you know, took, took that
27:00away and it might've been because of David Bailey because he was, he was, you know, he hurt my homes.
27:05I can't believe my homes got back in that game the way he looked, but yeah, he's had a much
27:12quicker
27:12impact than I anticipated. I tried to talk you guys down from the like double digit sack expectations
27:17in the off season. Cause I didn't think we were going to do that. I mean, I'll be shocked if
27:21he
27:21doesn't have double digit six sacks now, he's got seven and a half with eight games left. So I, I
27:27think
27:27he's going to definitely have double digit sacks. Yeah. He is an elite path rusher. And I know I've seen
27:34on
27:34Twitter, it's become a fun to dissect every aspect of his game. Like, don't worry about the other
27:39stuff. Like he'll, he can learn how to be, get better at that stuff. Like this is like, you know,
27:45complaining about Rebus is tackling to me. That's not what, what they drafted him for. They drafted
27:52him to affect the quarterback. He's affecting the quarterback. It's great. And, and both things can
27:58be true. David Bailey can be really good. And Arbel Reese can be really good. And let's, let's hope we
28:03have two good young defensive players in New York that we get to watch for the next 10 years.
28:07That'll be fun. Absolutely. And you know, I, I, I just, I don't understand why that has to be the
28:14discourse today is like, Oh, you know, yeah, they're going to get compared forever, but just
28:20enjoy what you have with Bailey. And the run, like I thought called Dunbar's answer this summer was
28:25like, yeah, we drafted in the rush of the passer. I'm not really worried about how he's against the
28:28run. I thought that was good. And the jets have to get people to things that you just have to
28:34get
28:34people around him that are better against the run. Right. To help, to help that aspect that
28:40linebacker and defensive tackle specifically, they need better players next year and he will develop
28:46over time. I think, you know, he's going to, as he gets more and more comfortable in the NFL,
28:50he can add more things to his bag of tricks and you know, he'll, he'll get that. He's shown
28:54flashes against the run too. He, it's not like he's a disaster, uh, against the run to me. So
29:00I think that pick looks really, really good right now. Uh, and it's going to be fun to watch to
29:06see
29:06how he develops. I mean, he's to me, he's the one bright spot off of yesterday that you can take
29:10no doubt cause. And in your spot on, on everything you just said there, the kid is making a high
29:15impact, especially in the, against the past, uh, teams know they have to chip him now. Uh, even when
29:20they leave him on an Island, he's, he's taking advantage of those matchups. He, the chiefs could not
29:24block him yesterday. He should have had three sacks yesterday when he had my homes wrapped up.
29:28I would love to see him finish there. Like that's how great he was yesterday and rushing the passer
29:32and the second half, they just kept running the ball and they try to run away from him too. Uh,
29:37cause final thoughts here, man, as we head into a week against the bills before the, before the,
29:42you know, lighter matchups, but you really can't say that with this jets team. Uh, it Aaron Glenn's
29:49answers yesterday were very scrutinized in terms of, Hey, what were the adjustments or,
29:53or things you saw in the second half where your team really let down what, what, what they were
29:57doing? Um, is this coach just like, he's, he just going through it and he's trying to get through
30:04this season. Like, I don't know what, I don't know what else there is to say about Aaron Glenn,
30:09you know? Yeah. I mean, he's a coach without any answers right now, Ron, which is tough spot to be
30:14like, he, he does not have fixed this clearly. He would have fixed it already. Like we're,
30:19it's November 9th. Like this is, you're supposed to be well established. The identity of your team
30:26by now hitting your stride, you know, making the push for the playoffs. That's, that's what teams
30:32do at this time of year. Not still trying to figure out what you are. Like what do they do
30:38well defensively? What's their defensive identity? Like they don't have one. So that's a problem.
30:43And he just, I've seen this look many, many times from coaches, right? Where the job,
30:49this job is a big job. I think it's just swallowed Aaron one hole right now. And yeah,
30:54he's going through it. Um, I'm sure he's not sleeping at night, you know, while he's trying
31:01to figure this out. I, he does care, right? He's, I think he's probably very upset about this.
31:08He's, he's not showing it publicly, which I think might help him if he showed it a little
31:12bit more publicly and showed a little more fire. I'd like to see the defiance that was
31:17there last year, pop up at some point, but he clearly does not want that message to his
31:21team right now. Uh, and like, you know, they just, Oh, I gotta look hard, long and hard
31:27for answers. That was what Jeff Ulbrich used to say every week. And it was, it's just a broken
31:32record. Um, they got to win some games, right? That's all. That's what, that's what Aaron
31:37Glenn needs. Even if he wins like two more games this year, there's no saving him going
31:42into next year, right? Not saving, but it might just lower the pressure a little bit. I just
31:46the temperature might get go down a little bit. And he, the other problem is they just,
31:51they look like they're getting worse on defense. That's not good for him, right? You're a defensive
31:56coach and your defense, they started off pretty strong. Um, and it was, the Packers were one
32:03of those teams they were strong against. So it wasn't like they were just beating up on bad
32:05teams. And now it's been four weeks of, I think it's 140 points, 145 points, something
32:13like that. The last two second halves, they've just been got their doors blown off in the
32:17second half. And yeah. And now here comes Josh. So short week, maybe ride, maybe short
32:24week. Maybe they catch the bills on a short week. No, no, not with this defense. Well,
32:32last week you were getting last week, you were like, you probably like the ray of hope
32:36of like, Oh, well, the chiefs really haven't beaten some of their teams. And so, right.
32:42It was a, you were trying to give a little shred of hope.
32:45Wasn't I right though? The first half, it would be close. I mean, the Jets should have been,
32:49the Jets should have been winning in the first half. If we're being honest, like they look
32:53like the better team than the chiefs to start the game, but then the better coaching staff
32:57made the adjustments at half the chiefs showed up. Yeah. And they said, Hey, they can't stop
33:02the run. They can't cover a tight end. Let's just do that. It was bizarre how they didn't
33:08run the ball in the first half. They got cute. So strange. They got cute. Yeah, I guess it
33:14was so strange. Cause like the jets have, you know, he can't stop the run and the chiefs
33:17have Kenneth Walker. I'm like, wow. I thought he was gonna have 150 yards yesterday. I think
33:21he could have, if they ran the ball the first half, cause he had 102 yards. He basically
33:25didn't play the fourth quarter. So, you know, cause we appreciate you coming on here. We're
33:30looking forward to your coverage throughout the trade deadline and throughout the week
33:33as we see what happens with will McDonald and we'll catch up with you later this week,
33:37man. Thank you. All right.