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00:00is on kfh and now digging deeper with the teams you follow it's another sports daily insider
00:10interview on kfh all right welcome back in everybody it is sports daily jake balbrock
00:17brady bowman with you we are joined now by our chiefs insider joshua briscoe the chiefs taking
00:23care of business against the jets it is uh let's see it's about 9 17 on tuesday morning josh and
00:29harrison butker is still the kicker for your kansas city chiefs that's true jacob and i i just figured
00:34i'd let you know i do have an offer for a future fifth for brady uh i can't tell you
00:40what market
00:40we'd be sending him to but i feel like it's ultimately your call um i don't know if you've
00:45got a good if you've got backups behind if you're buying or selling at the trade deadline but we're
00:49all wheeling and dealing uh i don't know you might be able to know i'm gonna package up brady and
00:55max
00:55and send them to boston brady we're always on the block we're all on the block all the time
01:01that's how this works chopping block yeah look we'll we'll get to we'll get to butker and those
01:06shenanigans but the trade deadline is the topical moment we're seeing the jaguars make their moves
01:11um we've we've seen teams around the chiefs make moves this is interesting stuff man i i don't know how
01:21much a wide receiver helps this team i really don't hey we need our fifth option in the pass game
01:27but it seems like the only thing they can actually get done i don't think there's going to be a
01:33team
01:33that's going to trade them in a tackle and i don't think there's going to be a defensive lineman that
01:38they can justify losing high draft cap but we did the what is it what did we five or six
01:44defensive
01:45linemen picked in the in the first three rounds of the last three or four drafts like i don't know
01:50what i don't know what else they would do besides receiver i just still don't know how much i think
01:53they need it yeah i i guess i will say i do think they need help at wide receiver but
01:58to your point
01:59i don't think it's needing a fifth option i think they kind of still need a first option maybe a
02:03second
02:03option depending on how generous you're feeling about where rishi rice is at or even travis kelsey
02:07at this point but those are conversations that we had in april where it's like well if you could
02:11find yourself the future number one wide receiver in the draft or free agency was a weird class i'm not
02:17like mad they didn't sign alec pierce obviously right but it's just one of those things where you
02:22always end up having a moving target because it's so difficult to find those answers yet other teams
02:27have found those answers in different places and the chiefs have extra wiggle room because their
02:31quarterback is patrick mahomes and so there is that possibility of yeah we we not only can we have
02:37won super bowls with wide receiver rooms that other teams would turn their nose up at i do agree
02:43though i think the wide receiver is still the most likely move today because i think like and i don't
02:48know that it's going to be any of these guys but josh downs should not be a colt tomorrow there's
02:53no
02:53reason for them not to move josh downs brian thomas jr the jags still have some control they could make
02:58a move with him this off season if they want and obviously as you've said they're pushing their chips in
03:03but they can still recoup some picks with brian thomas jr ahead of next year's draft if they are
03:08feeling a little light in the pockets on the draft pick side of things then there are a lot of
03:13other
03:13guys receivers who could be i think a more direct um taequann thornton replacement which obviously
03:20they've really missed i mean taequann thornton for the fact that he was a a high draft pick who was
03:24essentially a bust in new england didn't get signed to the practice squad and now he's a savior of the
03:29chiefs deep passing game they're really missing taequann thornton and so if there's somebody that they
03:34could bring into the offense for a six that could turn into a conditional fifth or something
03:39i could still see that being useful the problem though to your point is that i don't think that
03:45there is a solution at offensive tackle unless josh simmons you know walks back through that door at
03:51some point and that's not something that we can predict it'll be watch it'll be marquez valdez
03:55that's who they're gonna i will need to take next week off that would be that would be something
04:03that'd be something oh he was really bad at catching deep balls from aaron rogers 12 years ago we should
04:08bring him in yeah yeah how is taequann thornton as far as his recovery process going have you heard
04:14anything about that is it still is it still the hope that he could be back for the postseason i
04:19think so
04:20i really haven't heard anything of any sort of consequence and that's what makes it a little bit
04:23tough where you go well man if and that that could be something obviously they have more information
04:28internally maybe they're thinking well if we think we're going to get thornton back in early january
04:33and so we don't need the direct taequann thornton replacement that's when like the idea of a josh
04:38down still makes some sense he would make the room better i i think he would be pretty close to
04:43where
04:43where rishi rice is right now in terms of like the caliber of player and then they can choose this
04:48offseason to either tag and extend or or try to just get a deal done with either downs or rishi
04:54rice ahead of next year or you can let downs go and he would be a part of your compensatory
04:58pick
04:58formula so that that i if it's if they don't bring in a deep threat i'll feel like there is
05:03a slight
05:03a slightly better chance that thornton does return but man i have a really hard time i'd have a really
05:10hard time being like yeah the guy whose ankle was pointing the wrong direction in week four
05:13he's got to save us in january i just don't know if that's reasonable hopefully it is but man i
05:18mean
05:18i when you when you saw the injury at the time you were thinking i hope we see him in
05:22saint joe
05:23much less i hope we see him in january it's so hard we in the first hour we were just
05:29kind of looking
05:29back like the chiefs are in this weird place at the deadline a the receiver conundrum we just went
05:36through josh downs is a free agent how how much would he help him this year he probably doesn't cost
05:41much
05:42because he's a free agent but the other part of this is what's happening around them like i i feel
05:48like the chiefs in this season were both rebuilding and hoping that they could maybe be good enough to
05:57get to a super bowl but you know it's kind of a big maybe now that we're into it it's
06:02like god they
06:03totally could you know they you you can absolutely see a path for them now and so does that amplify
06:10their
06:11need to slow down the rebuild which also must happen how this team without chris jones and i
06:17know we got off to a slow start he had a nice game sunday but imagine this team without chris
06:21jones and
06:22travis kelsey or take it a step further without andy reed they also need to rebuild at the same time
06:30so
06:30i don't know how they weigh out this pressure to act because of what's happening around them versus
06:36also needing to stick to the plan of a rebuild which includes running the ball which includes all
06:41these other things it's it's a weird spot this year for them it is and i do think that we
06:46saw some
06:47of that being kind of telegraphed this offseason and it's what allows and you got to keep patrick
06:52mahomes at least healthy enough to do this but it's what allows you to still be super bowl contenders
06:56while not adding much in terms of the weaponry that's to remove the running backs from the conversation
07:01right obviously kenneth walker was a big investment to say hey mahomes and kenneth walker if we have
07:06both of them we can get by on offense with whatever pieces come around then again with a healthy rishi
07:13rice and a healthy taekwon thornton i think that there was a chance that was going to work in a
07:18way
07:18that we haven't really seen it come together since week four but this offense or excuse me this offseason
07:23was really about the defense it was it was kenneth walker you know flex seal over the leak on offense
07:29but then the entire first several rounds of the draft were about rejuvenating the defense
07:35finding a potential successor to chris jones finding a replacement for trent mcduffie and a
07:39guy that you can build around on the outside finding a speedy edge rusher that should also
07:43be able to give you a different gear in your pass rush in the years to come so that's how
07:47you end up
07:48with monster delay and peter woods or mason thomas and then even to a lesser extent the rest of the
07:51guys that followed like jaden kennedy getting some more playing time i think next offseason will be
07:57somewhat of an inverse of that if they do move on from chris jones after this year then maybe you
08:02spend a little bit of money somewhere on defense and they signed a lowey gilman as well and kyrus
08:06tonga to try to make sure that the defense really had its floor and its ceiling lifted gilman hasn't
08:12lived up to to the contract at this point i think tonga you've seen maybe you'd like to see a
08:17little
08:17more consistency out of him but he's you've seen why they paid him i think next offseason is going to
08:22mostly be about rejuvenating this offense for years to come like this year was about rejuvenating
08:28the defense for years to come and you don't want to hamstring your ability to do that by trading for
08:33a wide receiver right now but if you get a multi-year answer at wide receiver then you can a
08:39little bit
08:39get two birds with one stone you can you can improve right now and improve your long-term future but
08:44you're not getting garrett wilson i don't think i don't think davante smith is on the trading block
08:47um as much as i i hated watching the vikings offense last night i don't think there are enough
08:53first round picks that you can trade for justin jefferson right now although i would just i'd
08:57call roger goodell and i'd say could we get into the 2030 how how far out could we trade picks
09:02for
09:02justin jefferson make an nba trade yeah genuinely that is jacob that's exactly how i was thinking about
09:07it last night is this has to be an nba style trade where it's like okay we're going to give
09:11you every
09:11other first round pick for the next six years plus all of our seconds and then you just try to
09:18make
09:18that happen but it seems like the vikings it's like the vikings might try to fix their problems
09:21with kirk cousins today they should they should they totally should their defense is unbelievable
09:26and they cannot find competent quarterback play and i mean competent i mean the lowest possible bar
09:33josh uh we played some of uh andy reed's posts uh well it was it wasn't post game was it
09:39it was uh
09:40it was post conference it was talking about the quarterback sneak yeah okay okay i i found his
09:45thoughts when he was asked about harrison bucker a little interesting because it was basically more
09:49like more the same as if like he missed for the first time this season and he was acting like
09:55you
09:55know ultra sound and see how it goes and evaluate blah blah blah and i'm just thinking like what more
09:59do you need to see at this point um how are how are things looking there do you expect harrison
10:05bucker to be out there uh trotting on the field for kicks uh at atlanta or is justin tucker finally
10:13gonna get some action what do we see in there i i guess if i had to call it right
10:18now i would think
10:19that there's a really good chance that it's tucker in atlanta um maybe it even being a road game makes
10:25it a little more palatable i don't know um i i wish desperately that there was any part of the
10:31kicking game that was any level of fun to talk about at all it's another reason that justin tucker
10:35signing on multiple levels just didn't make sense to me the the combination of all of the off the
10:40field stuff and the suspension and everything that's followed him around in addition to him
10:44being an old kicker who wasn't good the last time he kicked in the nfl just it takes all of
10:49the interest
10:50out of it like all of the excitement if it was some young kicker and saying you know maybe maybe
10:54he's
10:54going to be a little bit wild but he's going to kick one in from from 63 every once in
10:58a while
10:59then then there's at least something to watch for but again justin tucker wasn't good the last time
11:04he was kicking and everything else that comes with him is just like a i don't know vibes catastrophe
11:10meanwhile i don't know how you send harrison butker out there again and again it hasn't been any
11:15different at any point in these last several weeks missing the back-to-back kicks where you you get the
11:20benefit of trying the exact same kick again five yards closer and it has the exact same problem
11:25i thought butker's post-game comments were interesting i don't know if you guys saw or
11:29heard any of those i'll give him credit for being there in the locker room to answer questions like
11:33that when i feel like most players in that circumstance would be getting out of there as
11:36quick as possible but he's as lost as anybody i mean he doesn't know why the ball isn't going in
11:41anymore so i don't i don't know how you could send him out there in a big moment maybe you
11:47say also
11:48and again like you combine the optics with the practical choices of all of this maybe you say hey we
11:53don't need to to make a big change we should be able to beat the falcons and cardinals and that's
11:58a dangerous game but you know if the chiefs are feeling this way we should beat the falcons and
12:02cardinals give them two more weeks against two bad teams and although the falcons are in the mix of
12:07the division but two two games against two bad teams and and give them two more weeks to figure it
12:12out
12:13then are you bringing justin tucker out when everybody's watching on prime time on thanksgiving
12:17that's icky um so yeah i don't know they they just there aren't good options for the chiefs
12:23kicking game right now and and that's a huge bummer well i mean it is the trade deadline today
12:29um josh downs and spencer schrader give them say the colts are trading everybody in a heartbeat like
12:35i don't it wouldn't it wouldn't cost you anything that's that's not even a joke for me what would
12:39you give up for spencer schrader would you give up would you give up a third no no it would
12:45have it
12:45have to be it would have to be lower than that for me i was gonna say like i was
12:49gonna say i could
12:49talk myself into like a sixth they've given up they've given up worse they've given up weird low
12:54picks for players like peyton hinder shot and cam thomas and joshua lusche what what fourth round
13:00pick could you imagine having a bigger impact on this chief season than harrison butker is having
13:06i mean that's any any corner if they take a corner in the fourth round i assume he's gonna be
13:11a hall
13:12of famer sure at least at least a pro bowler you know what i mean like he's having that
13:15big an impact on everything like i might get a little i might get a little aggressive and just
13:21see what teams would be well everybody would like everybody would be like oh the chiefs are idiots
13:27they can't believe they did that and then if he came in and was a great kicker it would have
13:32as big
13:33an impact on this team as anything else they could do and and to this point also like so much
13:37of the
13:37butker stuff has been like kind of theoretical it's like oh he's missing all these kicks but we're not
13:41in a playoff game yet where it's been a winner go home kick and you know i when you're a
13:45team
13:46that exists on the margins and has super bowl aspirations your kicker matters more i know that
13:50because that was the argument for extending harrison butker when they did and he made critical kicks
13:55for them oh yeah win super bowls he's a future chiefs like ring of honor member sure um he's just
14:01right now can't get it between the uprights brady i assume you saw the tweet that i just saw
14:05uh no actually i was looking at spencer schrader's stats he's eight of nine from 50 yards plus so far
14:11this season i didn't realize he was that good wow what's the tweet you saw josh i did jeremy
14:16fowler says the jags plan to keep brian thomas jr through the trade deadline they have relayed that
14:21to interested teams so okay now now again now jeremy fowler ends it with coming off multiple big
14:28trades monday jacksonville plans to keep its roster intact barring a surprise so that tweet could also
14:34mean like hey brett veach it's got to be a second is it going to be a second and yeah
14:38exactly uh i
14:39want to ask the defense so i still feel like and i'm really glad the pass rush looked like it
14:45did
14:45but the defense was not very good in the first half the jets thankfully the jets couldn't convert
14:52and can't convert at a at a really bad rate in the red zone but i'm still i still think
14:59there's a
15:00little bit of fool's gold here now that pass rush was promising i hope so we've seen defensive players
15:05flying at the deadline i'm kind of maybe to the point for the chiefs where any defensive player
15:11could help them like i i think i agree with that actually yeah you could take one at any level
15:17and
15:17it's gonna make them better i i agree um i will say so on the defensive side again like geno
15:24smith
15:24had been sacked i think it was 23 i was tied for second most in football going into that game
15:28but the chiefs defensive line has struggled to bring down quarterbacks who have gotten sacked a
15:33lot right so like you got to give credit on both sides of that equation and i do and it
15:38was very
15:39encouraging to see that out of chris jones because we hadn't had a game like that this year
15:43encouraging to see george karloff just be able to finish a couple of times he's been really good
15:47that contract is going to age really well i think the contract goes for like four more years and
15:52it's his age 30 season down i mean it's we forget how young karloff this is because he's been in
15:56the
15:56league for so long all that to say i'm kind of with you that if if there was a report
16:01that came
16:01down the line of like okay the chiefs have traded a sixth round pick for linebacker whoever or safety
16:08whoever or or slot defensive back hybrid whoever that would that might be a little more surprising
16:14because i think they still like chris rollin wallace and i think jaden kennedy getting a little bit
16:18involved is a good sign um and then obviously the defensive line you can always have more
16:22defensive linemen the interesting thing on edge is that whoever you would acquire would have to be
16:27better than jaden excuse me then ashton gelati and our mason thomas probably won't be and they
16:32probably won't be at least at least not as one guy if you could give me ashton gelati on every
16:38rundown
16:39and then a magical switch flips if it's a passing down and that guy becomes our mason thomas yeah that
16:43guy might be a pro bowler right like but that's that's the balance is our mason thomas isn't that guy
16:48against the run and ashton gelati doesn't have quite that pass rush juice but i i'm seeing the
16:53the future in the defensive line a little more clearly a little more optimistically than i
16:58probably was a couple of weeks ago and that was without peter woods on sunday and it's been a long
17:03time since we've seen or heard from this guy but omar norman law is on his way back and he
17:07should be
17:07back very soon i'd imagine from the acl rehab he wasn't an impact player before he got hurt but we
17:14we saw what like four games from him five games from him maybe and he was a 63rd overall pick
17:20a year ago uh so i i do think that there's still some reason for optimism on the guys they
17:26have on
17:26that defensive line right now but again they've played a lot of jack cochran and cooper mcdonald
17:31hasn't gotten a ton of playing time since coming back from his injury at linebacker they clearly
17:35don't trust jeffrey bossa safety has not been quite as good as you'd like it to be oh i actually
17:40thought they played well against the jets and were asked to do a lot against the jets specifically
17:44in that first half um there's they were making a lot of the tackles which is a downside for the
17:49front seven but a pretty good day for the safeties it's gonna be really really interesting and i'd
17:54agree with you if there's if there is a player at a bargain price on defense and spag says oh
17:59i
17:59could use that then i would i'd be willing to make that happen yeah i would too uh we'll see
18:04what
18:04they do the deadlines at three o'clock today i bet they do something i bet it's not something that
18:10we get very excited about that's kind of where my gut's at today but we'll see are you still calling
18:16the jets you're still talking about garrett wilson uh we'll see what they do you'll find josh on the
18:21radio network before during after the game this weekend we didn't even talk about the game this
18:27weekend oh well oh well they'll be okay i gotta get to new jersey i gotta start banging on a
18:33door
18:33yeah give me garrett wilson let him out