00:04and joining me now is one of our newsmakers of the day the AIMIM chief Asaduddin Ovesi
00:11member of parliament joins me he's just forged that alliance in Uttar Pradesh the Samajik
00:17Parivartan Morcha with Chandrasekhar Azad's Azad Samaj party Mr. Ovesi is this alliance of you
00:23and Chandrasekhar Azad against Akhilesh Yadav and the Congress the India alliance
00:29much more than it is against the BJP of Yogi Adityanath am I right in saying that
00:35no you're absolutely wrong this alliance was forged between our party and Mr. Chandrasekhar Azad party
00:43to ensure that we stop BJP and Yogi Adityanath from becoming the chief minister for third time
00:50and of course yes we'll have to fight with Samajwadi party they'll be our political opponents
00:57and whatever political parties will be there but the main objective was that the other parties
01:03have completely failed in stopping the BJP whether it's 2014 elections 17 elections 19 elections 22
01:14elections and 2024 and that is why we have come to the conclusion that we will form this alliance
01:22but with due regard sir you're saying that the other parties have failed to prevent the BJP's rise
01:29the fact is that the Congress Samajwadi party was party number one or alliance number one in 2024
01:35general elections in Uttar Pradesh and the votes that you are seeking are votes that traditionally
01:42the Congress has relied on Muslim Dalits Samajwadi party on Muslim so you will be breaking
01:49the anti-BJP alliance let's be clear you're saying that you are fighting the BJP but the maximum
01:56damage you're likely to do is to Akhilesh Yadav and Rahul Gandhi
02:01well is it an hegemony or is it a monopoly of one political party that some uh their old bank
02:08becomes
02:09their private property if one believes in democracy if you believe in free speech if you day in day out
02:16and talk about uh saving the constitution then what is the message of the constitution what did the
02:22uh make of the constitution talk about political justice in the preamble have you been able to stop
02:28BJP no have you been able to uh ensure that they're defeated no now when you talk about old bank
02:35why did
02:36Samajwadi party went and campaign against uh uh AIMIM in Bihar after taking our four MLA's was that
02:43taking a great Gandhian act why did you go and contest Uttarakhand uh where in BJP uh where in uh
02:49BJP
02:50won do you know that Samajwadi party went and contested in Jammu so so why isn't this question posed
02:57no the question will be posed to them sir the question will be posed to them but when I look
03:03at Uttar Pradesh specifically AIMIM you pulled just 0.49 percent of the vote share and won zero seats
03:10last time in 2022 Azad Samaj party 0.13 percent zero vote so by coming together I repeat by coming
03:19together you're not going to be able to defeat the BJP surely the BJP is the dominant party of UP
03:24the
03:24Samajwadi what stopped you from aligning with the Samajwadi party congress alliance why didn't
03:29you become part of that say why didn't you negotiate with them and become part of a wider
03:34alliance if your aim is to defeat the BJP well if if we believe you and I'm completely sure your
03:41assumption is wrong well if we believe you for for argument's sake why is there so much of pain
03:47leave it because if that is the old percentage we have got then you go and have a good night's
03:52sleep
03:52you know but now we are contesting together and as far as alliance is concerned I have repeatedly said
04:01that we are open for our alliance even now Chandrasekhar has said that if congress and Samajwadi party
04:08want to join us this is a formidable combination and we are willing to accommodate them in fact he
04:14he went to the extent of saying today that at the uh you know it might cause a loss to
04:20me I'm ready
04:20for it no no no you want them to accommodate you want uh uh them to accommodate you or you
04:28will
04:28accommodate them I mean let's be honest again they are the larger alliance I mean surely you would want
04:33them to accommodate you rather than vice versa that's the point I mean isn't there uh if I repeat if
04:40your
04:40aim is to defeat the bjp the sense would be all of you coming together arithmetic right your arithmetic
04:46would help uh the samajwadi congress now it will be division not arithmetic not one plus one is two
04:54rajdee please understand five years ago arm army party contested 300 odd seats yes samajwadi contested
05:03300 odd seats congress contested nearly 400 seats I had contested on about 80 or 85 seats because we
05:11are part of the alliance mr babu singh kushwaha who's now a john poor mp of samajwadi party now these
05:18questions are not asked please remember that you know in Bihar we had said give us six seats
05:24you took away our four mlas despite that we showed our magnanimity but no you blamed me you made
05:31wild allegations we won back uh those four seats which you have taken away i'm thankful to allah
05:38and to people of sri manchal rajasova election in Bihar rjd sitting thakur candidate despite my
05:46objections my party said no sir we will support them I said go ahead but be careful they blame us
05:51you know what happened in rajasova election in Bihar six congress mlas four didn't turn up
05:58rjd had one muslim mla that gentleman didn't turn up we did we did our part now that is why
06:06we are
06:06saying that there are so many internal contradictions of blaming us you have a party which is in power
06:13in punjab they want an alliance with achilles congress party calls them b team they call congress
06:20party with other kind of names I don't know to name them what is this hypocrisy at least we have
06:27a
06:27clarity as far as our alliance is concerned that we want to defeat bjp we want to stop them from
06:33from your government now raji please remember what has happened in the past is there a guarantee that
06:40will be repeated now now if you did you make no mr ovesi did you make an effort to reach
06:46out to
06:46akhilesh yadav is it true that you tried and the backroom negotiations failed is that true or not
06:53actually when when asad the novesi had publicly made a statement not once not twice not thrice but
07:00five to six times that please look into it we don't want bjp to come back in power but you
07:09assume that
07:10you are the biggest chowderis of so-called secular values and please remember you talk about secularism
07:18after independence when mr akhilesh yadav was the chief minister there was biggest displacement of
07:25people in the mudhafar nagar riots please read the report of neha dixit that that famous courageous
07:32reporter journalist eight women went to courts for justice because they were raped seven were forced to
07:39withdraw only one woman got justice who was the chief minister in 2017 mr akhilesh yadav
07:452013 2012-13 exactly he was a cm till 2017 he could have easily given them protection but where was
07:54the secularism he was busy in bringing those uh uh those two hour heroes to saifi and and see them
08:01dancing and very making was happening while these people were suffering in camps in
08:06sir you're questioning akhilesh yadav secularism when i speak to the so-called secular parties they
08:12question your islamism they say the moment we get ovacy on our platform the hindus will
08:17consolidate behind the bjp that's the reason why they are why they are reluctant to ally with you
08:23the reason for a reluctance to ally with you is that just as you are accusing them of flawed secularism
08:29they are accusing you today of practicing islamism of only focusing on a muslim vote bank
08:36rajdeep this is all rubbish what what is the majority vote they're getting what is the percentage of
08:45majority of the getting rajdeep you have done so many shows and as far as i know my opinion about
08:51you is
08:52i is concerned i feel rajdeep say that's like uh sachin tendulkar only when election happens and
08:59he comes out with the empirical electoral data that data clearly shows them where is the majority vote
09:03for them and what is this islamist you know am i trying to impose a a a a a a
09:10a teurocritic ideology
09:11in the country as rss is trying to do no i believe in democracy continue to believe in democracy my
09:18fight is that what our forefathers have told us that we should have a representative form of democracy
09:24is it good for our democracy that you have only four percent of muslim mps getting elected
09:29and who are the staunch people of secularism so who shamelessly blame me why is it that you're not
09:34not able to elect more muslims to the indian parliament how many seats did i contest
09:40and there i can go on and go on
