00:00Turkey is calling on governments to ensure that more than a third of the world's energy comes from electricity by
00:062035.
00:08The country is hosting the latest United Nations Climate Summit, COP31, in Antalya.
00:12More than 180 companies and financial institutions have already signed up to back that goal,
00:17but governments and investors continue to argue over how to fund it.
00:22CGTN's Juliet Mann is in Antalya.
00:25Electrification is the big push here in Antalya, but read the small print.
00:30The Pledge sets out a target for the world's global energy to be powered by electricity.
00:36But it doesn't say that that needs to be clean, so it could just as easily come from coal or
00:42oil as it does renewables.
00:45Now, how green is it really if it's being powered by fossil fuels?
00:49Yes. And as every COP, the real tussle is over money.
00:55Developing countries want there to be fresh financing.
00:58Europe says there's no more on the table.
01:01Let's bring in our guest. It's Sir Jonathan Taylor.
01:04He's the chair of the Green Finance Institute and former vice president of the European Investment Bank.
01:09Great to have you. Come around a little bit more.
01:11Now, power companies have committed more than $150 billion a year to back this electrification pledge.
01:18Nothing says that power has to be clean.
01:20Could some of that investment end up building coal and gas plants?
01:24Well, I think it's clearly much better if the electricity itself is generated by clean power sources.
01:32So we need to move to that as quickly as possible.
01:34And the way of doing that is to ensure that we have the finance available to do it.
01:38And in turn, that means getting private money in.
01:40Now, oil prices have been swinging wildly, particularly since the war with Iran began.
01:46Has the oil price done more to sell electrification, do you think, to public and private companies than any pledge
01:55signed here?
01:56Certainly a higher oil price is a further driver in the direction of moving towards clean energy sources and alternative
02:02energy sources,
02:03because it's an encouragement to diversification.
02:06So I think that it's definitely pushed things in that direction.
02:09Prime Minister Andy Burnham and Brazil's Lula, they're among the leaders that will be heading to COP31 this week.
02:16What do investors need to hear from them?
02:19I think they need to hear from them a continuing firm commitment towards taking all the action necessary to continue
02:27to move in this direction.
02:28But this COP is about implementation, so we want as much detail as possible.
02:32And where should that detail come from?
02:34Because a lot of organisations have come here with a list of asks.
02:38What should be top of that list?
02:40The Turkish incoming presidency has an action agenda which is going to be taking all these things forward.
02:45So I think that if we can make progress on all those things, we will be doing well.
02:48Now let's talk about this goal of $1.3 trillion a year in climate finance by 2035.
02:54Europe says there's no more money on the table.
02:56So who is going to write the checks?
02:59I think that's something that really underlines the need to bring private finance in.
03:02We have a $1.3 trillion goal by 2035.
03:06And remember, that's a goal to finance clean energy and climate-friendly investments in the developing world.
03:13But we still need also to finance those investments in the developed world, if I can use that phrase.
03:18And that means even more money is required.
03:20At this point, just looking at the developing world, debt aid support worldwide for climate action is about $50 billion.
03:30You're talking about $1.3 trillion.
03:32And you're getting from the development banks about another $100 billion, which leverages it a little bit more.
03:37Private capital, of course.
03:39But maybe even two to three times.
03:40But there's still nothing like the amount required.
03:43So it's absolutely necessary to be getting money in from the private sector if we're going to meet the goals
03:47which we need to do.
03:48And that means enabling the private sector to invest.
03:52Sir Jonathan Taylor, thank you very much indeed.
03:55That was Sir Jonathan Taylor there.
03:57Now, the hosts want Antalya to be the summit that delivers, turning those promises into projects that can be built,
04:05financed and trusted.
04:07The test is going to be the money.
04:08Who lends it at what cost and who carries that risk, all the while with this big emphasis and ambition
04:15around electrification.
04:17And all of that will shape what this COP achieves.
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