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Willard and Dibs react to Steph Curry's oblique tear and discuss if there was anything dirty from Alperen Sengun and the Rockets that led to his injury.
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00:00Doc Pandia, do you have to let it linger?
00:03Typically not.
00:03If it truly is just an oblique injury, these heal pretty predictably.
00:07Where you get a little worried, which I don't think this is the case
00:10because they would have reported it,
00:11sometimes that oblique injury can kind of extend down
00:13and become that sports hernia thing that you hear about a lot,
00:16kind of like where the abdominal muscles attach to the pelvis.
00:19But it doesn't look like that would be the case.
00:21That really rarely happens with like one event
00:24where you're totally normal and it happens.
00:25So assuming this is just pure muscle, nothing else going on,
00:29he rests that this should not be a recurring issue for him,
00:32which is a good thing.
00:32You get much more worried about knees, ankles, hips, things like that.
00:36See him in a month.
00:38Yeah, it's a muscle.
00:39And I think it's almost better that it's not, you know,
00:43excuse me, a more recurring injury like, oh, the knee,
00:46and it's the ankle again and whatnot.
00:48Oh, God, yeah.
00:48So it's a new one.
00:49And you could see that when he shot the three, he immediately,
00:52and I didn't catch the expletive, but it seemed like it was one of those,
00:57I don't know if it was a Dibs or a Curtin Hayward Hills,
00:59but it was one of the two.
01:01He was not happy about the amount of pain he was in after the shot.
01:05What's up, brother?
01:06We're going to go to the phones in a sec.
01:07Do we need to talk about Alpi Shingun?
01:10Yes, absolutely.
01:11Okay, let's do it.
01:11I'm seeing a lot of text messages, a lot of tweets.
01:15Okay, what's your take?
01:17My take is, it's a, there's a wide swath to me between physical play and dirty play.
01:25Was it a physical play?
01:27Yes.
01:27And you saw this with Bassey and Marcus Smart, where they also got tangled.
01:31They had their arms intertwined, and there was a little tugging.
01:34And I think that Shingun and Steph got tangled.
01:37And Shingun, I don't know if he intentionally tried to wrench his arm.
01:41I've watched it about eight times.
01:42It looks to me like two players are tangled, Shingun kind of raises up Steph's arm
01:48as they're getting disentangled, and Steph's arm went into a spot
01:52where that muscle got stretched, and apparently it got torn.
01:55I didn't find it to be, like, quote-unquote, dirty.
01:59And I'm thinking about the play earlier this year where the Niners had a play on defense
02:04where the defender, like, dove at the, trying to get the ball carrier,
02:10and he accidentally, like, crashed into the offensive lineman in his knees.
02:13And people were saying, oh, dirty play.
02:16That's the dirtiest play.
02:16It was Grayson Halton.
02:18It was Grayson Halton.
02:19Your memory is phenomenal.
02:20So Grayson Halton, he gets off of a block, and he sees the ball carrier,
02:24and he's going to try to dive in there and make a play.
02:26And he dove into the lineman's knees, and immediately everyone's like, oh, dirty play.
02:31For me, you have to look at intent when you start to call things dirty.
02:35Like, Dylan Brooks on GP2, dirty.
02:38GP2 is going up for a dunk.
02:40Dylan Brooks absolutely takes him out in the air.
02:42That is dirty.
02:43This yesterday to me, was it overly physical?
02:46Maybe.
02:47But that's Houston.
02:49I don't know.
02:51This probably won't be popular.
02:54I'm going to stop even short of what you just said.
02:57I think this is a big, gift-wrapped, nothing burger.
03:03That's how I see it.
03:05By the way, everybody, be honest now.
03:08Who initiated the arm link?
03:12Say it with your chest.
03:15Steph Curry initiated the arm bar on Alpi Sengun.
03:21Then Sengun tries to go around him and get through what is an effectual screen,
03:26and their arms are linked, and there's an injury that happens.
03:32I don't see him excessively yank the arm.
03:35I don't see him hold on to it excessively too long.
03:39This is NBA basketball.
03:41There's a lot of contact.
03:42There's a lot of stuff going on.
03:44I'm not saying that this is absolutely perfectly clean.
03:48I'm just saying, like, I think a lot of people are triggered because he got hurt.
03:54Right.
03:54I've seen way dirtier stuff done to Steph, in fact, by this team, but he didn't get hurt,
04:00so nobody wants to talk about it.
04:03Dylan Brooks last year punched him in the damn rib cage.
04:06We get to Thursday in the week, and you start reading my mind, and it's great because, I
04:12mean, you are so eloquent, and you say things in a great way, but I was just thinking the
04:17Dylan Brooks, Steph shoots a three, and he goes high to block it, and then he pops him
04:21in the stomach.
04:22He punched him.
04:22Oh, and the other time, he goes up to shoot a three, and Steph's got the bad hand, and
04:26so Dylan Brooks karate chops both of his hands.
04:28No doubt.
04:29Those are dirty.
04:30No doubt.
04:30I love the internet, Mark, because two people can see something, how they want to see it.
04:35I'm looking at Reddit, you know, because you go on Reddit, and you can post the video.
04:40Shen Goon grabs and twists Steph Curry's arm, and then the next Reddit, look at how Curry
04:46initiates the contact with Shen Goon.
04:48These are the same video, back-to-back comments, where Warrior fan says, Shen Goon dirty.
04:54Rocket fan says, Curry started it, and so, yeah, this one's not a very clear-cut case.
04:59Yeah, I just, it's like, I'm not here to, good Lord, cape up for Al P. Shen Goon, okay?
05:06But I just, it's like, and this is the way I've always looked at things.
05:10I know some people really do eye for an eye, and I'm like, I don't think that you can do
05:16that.
05:16Like, your act is your act.
05:18We're not going to punish you kind of based on the outcome.
05:22We should punish you based on the act.
05:25So, if you punch Steph Curry in the ribcage, and he doesn't get hurt, you still punch Steph
05:29Curry in the ribcage.
05:31You know, there's these people that are like, if you do something dirty, and it's suspension
05:35worthy, and that player is hurt, like you injured someone, you should be suspended for as long
05:41as they're hurt.
05:42And I'm like, no, the act is the act.
05:45The result, here we go, process and result again.
05:48The result is the result.
05:50The result, Steph Curry got hurt from something that I find to be a two and a half on the
05:55one to ten Richter scale.
05:57He got hurt.
05:58But stuff that's an eight and a half happens all the time where he doesn't get hurt.
06:02I'm more offended by the eight and a half, even though he didn't get hurt.
06:06You might be more offended by the two and a half because he did get hurt, but I'm sorry.
06:10Like, I just, I don't see anything here, especially from that basketball team.
06:15I, like, I could find 20 things that happened last night that were way worse than the play
06:20where Steph got hurt.
06:21Before we go to Grandy, I'll just say this.
06:23In the moment when you watch the play, not one of us thought that he got hurt, and not
06:28one of us thought that it was dirty.
06:30Yeah, Grandy, what's up?
06:31You're talking about other things that you found dirtier than what happened there with
06:35Steph and Shang-Goon.
06:36One of them probably was Marcus Smart swinging on Charles Bailey.
06:40Oh, Bassey.
06:41Oh, yeah, sorry, Bassey.
06:42The NBA is suspending Houston Rockets guard Marcus Smart for three games for what he did
06:47to Bassey, sources tell ESPN's Shams Sharania.
06:50One of my favorite low-key moments in NBA history is when a guy leaves before they've even
06:56ejected him.
06:57He just, he was like, see ya?
07:00I mean, he Jimmy Garoppolo'd that thing.
07:02Walk it out, walk it out.
07:04He left without really leaving.
07:06He wasn't ejected yet.
07:08He just, he's like, I'm gone.
07:09He was ejected.
07:11He was like, no, but he wasn't.
07:12Like, they had not announced, they had not reviewed it yet.
07:16They had not announced an ejection.
07:17He swung and left.
07:19And he, by the way, knew, he probably said to Odoka, I'll see you in about a week to
07:2410 days.
07:25Sure.
07:25I'm going to Cancun.
07:26When you're Marcus Smart and you've been a physical, sort of an agitating sort of player
07:32throughout your whole career, you know exactly what's going to happen.
07:35This is not new to him.
07:36And memo to Marcus Smart and every other punch thrower in the association, land the punch.
07:43Don't swing and miss and get three games.
07:45I don't think he got any part of Charles Bass' face.
07:48He got none of them.
07:48Yeah.
07:49He got none of them.
07:50So, listen, I hate the Rockets.
07:53I can't stand watching them play basketball.
07:56There is a certain sort of a vibe that the whole team, even their head coach, gives me,
08:02even when he sits at the podium.
08:04I'm like, I don't know this, but you look like a dude that's going to go into the locker
08:08room and be like, yeah, let's hurt them.
08:11Let's bounty these suckers.
08:13Like, that's the vibe he gives off.
08:16And then his team plays like that.
08:18So, I hate the Rockets.
08:19So, I'm with y'all.
08:21And, yes, Warrior injuries seemingly keep happening against that basketball team.
08:27So, I'm with you.
08:28This, for me, just didn't it.
08:30This one didn't, that's all.
08:33This one didn't get me.
08:34This is, somebody got hurt.
08:36And it sucks.
08:37It sucks that it's the Warriors' best player.
08:39But, I just, I didn't see anything from Alpy Shingun that knocked me off my spot.
08:46Me either.
08:47And you watch it again and again.
08:49And Steph goes over to set the screen.
08:51And, you know, their arms got tangled.
08:53And Shingun just raises his arm to try to get disengaged.
08:56And Steph's arm was locked up.
08:58And Shingun is 6'10 or 6'11.
09:00So, if he raises his arm and your arm is tangled and you're 6'3,
09:04your arm's going up eight inches higher than you probably want it to go up.
09:07And his arm goes up and immediately he goes down and feels the oblique.
09:11Steve Kerr is going to join us today on Willard and Dibs.
09:14We're a little loose on the timing because they've had some travel delays.
09:18But, I think loosely somewhere between 3 and 3.30.
09:22Does that feel safe-ish?
09:25Maybe.
09:25Kind of.
09:26Sort of.
09:27Or no predictions at all.
09:28We'll see.
09:28It's more than just when they land in San Antonio they've got to get to the hotel.
09:32Sure, sure, sure.
09:32I would think maybe 3.30 at the earliest.
09:34But, we'll find out.
09:35That'd be awesome if Steve did what the rest of us do.
09:37When a plane lands.
09:38Go to the phone immediately.
09:41And, like, just call us.
09:43Call us from the.
09:44The team bus or whatever.
09:46The middle seat in aisle 13B.
09:49Like, just call us straight from there.
09:51While you're waiting for all those tall people to get up and get out of your way.
09:54Yeah.
09:54Probably not in the middle seat based on their plane.
09:57He's probably in, like, 8A or 9A.
10:00There's no, like, B or C or E on that plane.
10:03I know.
10:04You're either in an A here or you're a B over there.
10:07Remember what he told us last week, I think?
10:09He's like, I don't even see the players on the plane.
10:13They're in their wing.
10:14Right.
10:15And we're in ours.
10:18Awesome.
10:19Steven in Oakland.
10:20Hi, Steven.
10:20Thanks for calling.
10:21What's up?
10:23Hey, guys.
10:24I just wanted to say that, you know, I feel better about our scoring abilities this season
10:31versus last season.
10:33I mean, last season we were kind of down to pods as our main scorer for a bit there while
10:38Steph was out with runner's knee after Jimmy went out.
10:41So, but, you know, oblique, it's two, what, two weeks to a month where he'll be back.
10:50So, the road trip, I wasn't expecting us to do well, but I was, like, it should be good
10:58to see how Yaxle and, you know, pods work together in terms of figuring out if we can
11:07string along enough wins.
11:09We really got to just play 500 ball until Steph gets back.
11:15And, really, I was hoping we just played 500 ball for the rest of the season so that we
11:22could actually wait until we get Jimmy back and then we can talk about playoffs.
11:28But I wasn't really considering this season until we got Jimmy and Moody back anyway.
11:37So, this is kind of par for the course, I hate to say.
11:41Yeah, and Stephen, you might be right.
11:43We're still early.
11:44I think we're still getting to know what's on the table for this team.
11:46Thanks so much for calling.
11:48But I'll just say this.
11:50Maybe I was more affected by an eight-game win streak and what I thought was a solid enough
11:55performance last night.
11:56Like, they certainly held up well, especially without Steph Curry.
12:00I'm no longer looking at it that way.
12:02And, again, this isn't championship lens and all of this stuff.
12:05I think that these guys have a chance to be a good basketball team.
12:09They're going to acquire well over $100 million in players over the next two months of our lives.
12:16And that is without even making a trade.
12:19And they're already 8-4.
12:22They've already found a young stud who's averaging over 20 a game.
12:26Remember when his goal was 15?
12:27He's like, maybe I can score 15 a night.
12:29Maybe, yeah.
12:30He's almost scoring 22 a night.
12:31We're 12 games in.
12:33I'll just say this on behalf of the Warriors, and I bet Steve will trumpet it when he comes on.
12:39If I played on the Warriors right now, and my name was not Steph Curry, I'm one of these other
12:44healthy guys,
12:46I would be so offended by what I hear the fan base say when Steph Curry gets hurt.
12:53Season's over?
12:54Like, maybe we could win once a week?
12:57I would be, it would piss me off something awful.
13:00And I'm sure, like, they get it.
13:03But I guarantee you, this idea of, like, boy, hopefully we could just win a game or two or something
13:10like that while he's gone,
13:12if my name's Yaxo or Pods or Draymond or Melt or, I mean, Guy never gets mad.
13:20But do you know what I mean?
13:21Like, I would take that to heart.
13:24They can still win basketball games.
13:27They can and they should.
13:28I firmly believe that.
13:29Not all of them, but I think that you can go out and compete and, you know, tomorrow you're 10
13:33.5-point underdogs on the road at San Antonio.
13:36Steph didn't have the oblique.
13:38And let's say you still lost to Houston by 7 and Steph played his usual 30 minutes or so, and
13:43you still lost.
13:44Well, you'd be 6.5-point underdogs probably against San Antonio.
13:48So it's not like, oh, Steph is gone.
13:50Now all things are lost.
13:52You still have a chance to go out and win, and you can compete.
13:56Tomorrow is going to be tough no matter what.
13:57And so all these other people, we mentioned Cryer before, Will Richard playing with a torn UCL in his thumb,
14:05in his non-shooting thumb.
14:06So he's playing through pain.
14:07And so you have to look at who you are going to have available and hope they step up.
14:11All right, so let's go to the Warrior Clipper game about a week and a half ago.
14:17Now, I do think Brandon Williams is a significant loss while Steph is out.
14:23That's tough because that's another source of offense while Steph's out.
14:27But Brandon will be back before Steph.
14:29But the Warriors won that game by double digits.
14:31I understand it's the Clippers, and they're no good.
14:33I totally get that.
14:36But this is what it looked like.
14:38Yaxo Lendeborg scored 37 points, had six assists as well, and four rebounds.
14:48Charles Bassey was in the starting lineup, had 10 boards, put up six points.
14:52DeAnthony Melton was a team-high plus 20, scored 21 in that game.
14:57Pods did his kind of normal night, 17-8-8 for a plus 11.
15:03Now, Brandon Williams had 17 off of the bench.
15:05He was the lead guy off of the bench.
15:07And so, yeah, they'll be searching a little bit.
15:10But that starting lineup that night, because that was no Draymond either,
15:14that starting lineup was Mel, Pods, Niang, Lendeborg, and Bassey.
15:20And the Warriors scored 124 points, and they won the basketball game by double digits.
15:26That's your formula, and it can work against some of the teams.
15:33My prediction is, over these next, because we're calling it around 14 games,
15:38that's a loose number, but I think they're going to miss, he's going to miss 14 games.
15:42I think the Warriors will hover around 500.
15:45I think that they will lose a couple of games that you don't think they should lose,
15:49but they're going to win a couple games you don't think that they would win.
15:53And that's what I see this team doing.
15:56And the first example we got of it was last night.
15:59He left six minutes in.
16:01They played the game.
16:02They played the game very well, actually.
16:04They played it pretty well, but they never could get that over-the-hump moment.
16:08I mean, they get close, and then they're back down double digits.
16:11They get close, and same thing.
16:12But Steve Curran, he'll join us in 20 minutes or longer.
16:16Who knows?
16:17But he will mention how much he was heartened by the fact that even though they went to the white
16:21flag lineup,
16:22EK and Leons and those guys, they all came out, and they were a plus 11 down the stretch.
16:27They took a game that was an 18-point blowout.
16:29They made it not threatening, but they made it at least closer,
16:33and you kind of kept their starters on the floor all the way through.
16:36I'm looking for just kind of the moment that Steph Curry goes out.
16:43We said it was five minutes and 35 seconds into the game.
16:46It was after he hit the three.
16:47Okay.
16:48He could barely even do the chest point because he was already in so much pain,
16:53but he went through it anyway.
16:54You know, he makes a three, and he taps the chest, and he points to the heavens.
16:57Right.
16:58He did that, and then he said a word or two, and then he immediately goes to the bench and
17:02says,
17:03yeah, that's it.
17:03Yeah.
17:04I'm looking at Warriors.
17:05I think we're down by nine.
17:07So, I mean, I don't know if this matters to anybody, but the Warriors outscored the Rockets after he left.
17:13He was a minus nine, so that makes sense.
17:15Yeah.
17:18And, again, some of it was a little backdoor-y there at the end.
17:21They kind of put up for it.
17:22But, I mean, the larger picture is Steph Curry left, and the Warriors took that mental and emotional blow,
17:30and the fact that they were down by almost double digits on the road in a game where they're not
17:35favored,
17:36and they went, all right, let's play ball, and they were kind of toe-to-toe the rest of the
17:40way.
17:41Yep.
17:41Okay, you can take something from that.
17:43You sure can, and you talked about 14 games, and I love it.
17:46It's a loose number, and we don't know if it'll be 12 or 16, and who knows how many it'll
17:51be,
17:51but just looking ahead at the next 14, 10 of those are on the road.
17:56You've got four more here.
17:57You've got a trip to Portland.
17:59Then you've got a five-piece where you take on mostly the East and Memphis,
18:03but I went through the next 14 games, Mark, and I got the Warriors going six and eight.
18:09Okay.
18:10Okay.
18:11They play some Dawgs.
18:12I got the Giants going.
18:1482 and 75.
18:15You want to play win-loss, don't you?
18:18I don't.
18:19You want to play win-loss.
18:20In a broad sense, though, I will say that you've got Sacramento and the Clippers.
18:24You've got Utah and Milwaukee all in that stretch, and those are teams that I think that are beatable.
18:32You've got New Orleans coming up on Monday, which I also think is winnable.
18:36How many of those games, if we did do the 14 games, let's say he returns Tuesday for the home
18:42game against Dallas on December 22nd.
18:43Yep.
18:44Let's say the 14 games that happen between now and then.
18:5010 or on the road?
18:51How many would you say the Warriors are going to be favored in?
18:54I would say...
18:55Instead of playing win-loss.
18:57Monday's interesting at New Orleans.
18:58Yep.
18:59I'm going to say that's one.
19:00Okay, that's one.
19:01Home to Sacramento for sure.
19:02Yep.
19:03Home to the Clippers for sure.
19:04Yep.
19:04Home to Utah for sure.
19:06And then...
19:07How about at Indiana?
19:10That's a tough one, but I was just looking at Milwaukee.
19:15Indiana's 4-8.
19:16Yeah, Milwaukee is 1-11.
19:18So that's...
19:18Yes, that's another one.
19:20And I'm going to say at Indiana as well.
19:24So that would be 6 of the 14.
19:266 of the 14, the favored.
19:28So, I don't know.
19:30Grab five of those and steal two more.
19:33Go 7-7.
19:35And you pop out the other side, 15-11.
19:39And I guess there probably will be a cup game in there, Grandy,
19:42because they play December 1st,
19:44and then there's nothing scheduled until the 12th.
19:46That's correct.
19:46So if they don't cup it up in the Final Four,
19:50then there will be at least one cup game in there.
19:52There will be at least another game added into there,
19:55no matter what happens in the cup.
19:56Okay.
19:57So who knows who they'll have to cup it up against, but...
20:00Likely not a good team, because if they're now without Steph,
20:03I don't think they're going to win the NBA Cup,
20:05and therefore if they don't go on the trip to Hoosierville
20:08or wherever the hell everybody's going this year...
20:10Butler University.
20:11Yeah, then...
20:11Hinkle Fieldhouse.
20:12Okay.
20:13Yeah.
20:14Wonderful old gym.
20:15I bet.
20:16It's cool.
20:17It's just kind of a funky old barn.
20:19And yeah, don't walk from Indianapolis, though.
20:22Up to Butler.
20:22I wouldn't recommend it.
20:24I hope the Warriors do make it to Hinkle,
20:27and I hope that they're down by one with six seconds to go.
20:32And I hope that Steve or Jimmy Butler draws up a play,
20:36and they want to pull one on the opponent.
20:39They want to hide pods in the corner.
20:42You know what that play would be, right?
20:44No, what would it be?
20:45They're going to run the picket fence.
20:46Oh, yeah.
20:47But then Yaxo looks at Steve and goes,
20:51I can make it.
20:53And the whole team just looks at Coach,
20:56and they're like, yeah.
20:58And then Yaxo just clears out and wins the game.
21:02Jimmy Chitwood.
21:02And everybody just rushes the court.
21:05I don't like Vontae defaming that movie.
21:07Yeah, it was rough.
21:08I'm not saying it's the best sports movie ever,
21:09but I wouldn't say it's a straight-up snoozer.
21:12It's a period piece.
21:13That's all.
21:14He said he goes to sleep to it.
21:16Damn.
21:17The guy has like five jobs and two kids.
21:19How does he stay awake for anything?
21:20And you're a guy who falls asleep to everything.
21:22I can't believe I make it through this show.
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