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(Current Affairs)

Host:
- Kashif Abbasi

Guests:
- Shahbaz Rana (Economist Analyst)
- Saira Bano GDA
- Omar Ayub Khan PTI

Then vs Now: Former govt leaders' past statements | Electricity inflated Bills | Abbasi's report

"Yeh log tou kehte the ek Shehbaz Sharif hi kafi hai," Saira Bano lashes out at political leaders
Transcript
00:00 Assalam-o-Alaikum, you are watching the program with Kashif Abbasi.
00:14 The Tosha Khana case will be heard tomorrow.
00:17 So let's wait till 11 am tomorrow and see whether Islamabad High Court will give bail to Chairman Tariq Khan.
00:24 The issue that is dominating the country is electricity bill.
00:33 The prices have been increasing and the situation has come to a point where the common man is unable to pay the electricity bill.
00:42 People who have a salary of Rs 25,000 are getting their bills as Rs 30,000, Rs 35,000, Rs 35,000.
00:54 I am sure that you have seen the electricity bills and you have met many people who have come to you and told you their salary and income.
01:00 If you pay the electricity bill, then you will not even have money to buy food and ration.
01:05 This is the biggest problem that is currently affecting the majority of Pakistan.
01:12 What is the reason that we have reached this point?
01:15 Today, in Pakistan, people who go to get the electricity meter, they also have fights.
01:22 If you remove the electricity meter, there will be no electricity.
01:25 If you install the meter, there will be no money to pay the bill.
01:28 How did we reach this point? What mistakes have we made?
01:35 We will tell you the problems again.
01:38 Everyone knows where the problem is.
01:40 People in Pakistan are not ready to pay the electricity bill.
01:43 There are many areas where the electricity bill is not paid.
01:46 They put a lock on the electricity bill.
01:48 I remember that many speeches were made in the government of 2013.
01:58 They talked about the political entities that protect the electricity theft.
02:03 But today we have reached a point where the IMF is not letting us live.
02:07 The IMF says that we should plug the gaps and solve the problems.
02:12 But we do not have a solution to the problem.
02:15 The electricity bill has become a thorn in the neck of the poor.
02:18 People who do not earn or have a low income cannot afford this bill.
02:23 The government has held two or three rounds of negotiations.
02:26 Despite all the negotiations and all the settings, the solution to the problem has not been found yet.
02:35 We will see what the problem is and what the solution to the problem is.
02:43 But our country's politics has been revolving around these issues for a long time.
02:47 Everyone knew that the problem was very big.
02:49 When the previous government came after 2018, it increased the electricity bill or increased the cost of electricity.
02:58 The petrol bill was expensive.
02:59 So, the opposition was severely criticized.
03:02 What was said?
03:04 The electricity bill has become very expensive.
03:06 The electricity and gas pumps are being cut down every day.
03:09 The electricity fee is increasing by Rs. 5.
03:12 You are putting the same burden on the common man in the form of electricity bill.
03:16 How much is the electricity bill?
03:19 The bill has increased because the children are being fed.
03:25 Let the moon come. We will reduce the rate.
03:27 We will also show you the circular debt.
03:29 The electricity bill is increasing by almost Rs. 4.
03:35 After a few years, electricity will be expensive.
03:37 After that, gas will be expensive.
03:39 The media is talking to the sky.
03:42 The cost of electricity has increased.
03:44 The rates of electricity and gas have increased unpredictably.
03:47 The corrupt party has increased the electricity bill by 83.
03:53 The average price of Rs. 20-22 will be Rs. 12.
03:56 There is no problem.
03:57 We will reduce the bill.
03:58 And you will be Muslim.
03:59 Inshallah, we will reduce the line losses in two years.
04:01 If you ask for a vote, you have to bring the electricity bill from inside.
04:07 Take your vote.
04:08 Don't listen to the lies.
04:10 Take your vote.
04:12 If you eat the children, you will get the best roll.
04:17 But when the government came,
04:19 in the last 16 months,
04:21 it was said that these decisions are inevitable.
04:24 These decisions are very difficult for this country.
04:26 When the Prime Minister used to talk about such decisions, he could not sleep at night.
04:30 But this period of inflation, this was the case.
04:33 This is why the state is going on.
04:35 Whoever goes to the IMF program,
04:37 before that, we did the IMF programs like the shakharchas.
04:40 But now, when the government came in 16 months,
04:43 these difficult decisions,
04:45 these difficult decisions of all these decisions are said,
04:47 which were first the decision of the people, the enemy or the people,
04:50 then these difficult decisions have been made.
04:53 Those who use more electricity,
04:56 we had to fulfill the condition of the IMF.
05:00 Today the IMF tells us that we will not listen to you.
05:04 First increase the prices, then we will pay.
05:06 If we don't listen to the IMF, then Pakistan becomes Diwali.
05:11 The price of electricity, the condition of the IMF,
05:14 that your rebasing will be 3.5 to 4 rupees.
05:17 Our policy rate has increased, this was their demand.
05:19 Our tax of 215 has been imposed, this was their demand.
05:22 The price of 4 rupees of fuel has increased to 6 rupees.
05:26 Which comes in your bill, in the amount of fuel adjustment price.
05:30 All those losses are going into the circular debt.
05:33 And those who pay their bill on time, should pay a lot of their price.
05:38 All these people knew the problems before,
05:42 they used to hear similar answers before too.
05:44 But you will remember, when in the opposition they used to say,
05:47 that they will bring 12 rupees per unit of electricity.
05:49 Mifta Ismail sir,
05:50 Foreign, sorry, Finance Minister in waiting,
05:54 big claims were made that we will fix it and give it in 6 months.
05:57 And then it was said that all this has happened.
06:00 Now a supervisory government has come,
06:03 which has been for 10-15 days,
06:05 so a 16 month government on one hand,
06:07 now the electricity bills that have started to come,
06:09 again those parties that have been in power for the last 16 months,
06:13 they are making a program to come on the streets for protest.
06:16 Those who used to give clarifications,
06:18 now they are accusing someone else that all this is wrong.
06:21 And it was said that the elections will be postponed,
06:23 and 6 months time is required.
06:25 It is required so that this accusation is also put on someone else,
06:28 that who caused this.
06:30 PM LN's government was over in 2018,
06:34 after that PM LN's government has not come till today.
06:37 If a Prime Minister had a relationship with PM LN,
06:40 there were 13 Jamaats,
06:41 and how a compromised government was running,
06:44 and how everyone was involved in all the decisions.
06:46 If Birawal sir was the Prime Minister,
06:48 then I think that we would have harassed ourselves and given the public.
06:53 Two fan drivers and one motorist have received 35,000 bills.
06:58 The taxes that have been imposed,
07:00 should be taken back immediately.
07:02 The situation in the country,
07:04 the economic downturn,
07:05 electricity bills, gas bills,
07:07 how to get Pakistan out of the difficulties of the oppressed class.
07:12 They are now criticizing the 10-day government,
07:15 that now bills are not being given,
07:18 two fan drivers are getting 35,000 bills.
07:22 So the decisions that have been taken,
07:24 now these decisions should be owned,
07:26 either we should have an educated debate,
07:29 that why have we reached here,
07:31 but we still don't want to have an educated debate,
07:33 still we have to blame shifting,
07:35 still put the blame on someone else.
07:37 I was reading the newspaper today,
07:38 that till 2018,
07:39 the Muslim League will fight elections on the basis of efficiency.
07:41 Because obviously,
07:42 on the basis of the last 16 months of efficiency,
07:43 elections cannot be fought.
07:45 If they ask, who was the government for 16 months,
07:47 then someone will say,
07:48 that this was a joint government,
07:50 a joint deal that we made,
07:52 we had the People's Party with us,
07:53 the People's Party says,
07:54 if it was Bilawal's government,
07:56 then all this would not have happened.
07:58 Anyway, we talk in the program,
08:00 Omar Yub Khan is present with us,
08:02 the Secretary General of Tashaf,
08:03 but he was also a former power minister,
08:05 what problems have been there so far,
08:07 in this whole system,
08:08 our electricity system,
08:10 we will talk to him.
08:11 Sahira Bano Sahiba from GDSM is present with us,
08:13 Sahira Bano Sahiba,
08:14 thank you very much,
08:15 and Shabaz Rana Sahab,
08:16 covers the economy,
08:18 and will tell you the technical angle,
08:21 what all problems we have done,
08:24 even today,
08:25 we are going around in circles,
08:27 nobody wants to,
08:28 no one is talking about the solution to this problem,
08:31 that how is the solution,
08:32 meetings are taking place,
08:33 we will reduce,
08:34 we will freeze,
08:35 but the problem will be solved only with this,
08:37 but before that,
08:38 Sahira Bano Sahiba,
08:39 I will take a political angle from you,
08:40 then we will talk a little technical,
08:42 the statements that are coming,
08:44 all the protests,
08:45 that the People's Party is giving,
08:46 and the League Press Conferences,
08:48 are they free from the responsibility,
08:51 the inflation,
08:52 the electricity bill,
08:53 all the corruption,
08:55 who is responsible for all this corruption?
08:58 These people are responsible,
09:00 you were telling so many clips,
09:03 I was passing through a difficult situation,
09:05 I was laughing,
09:06 sometimes I was crying,
09:07 and sometimes I felt like,
09:08 I should stand in line for all the statements,
09:11 and they say,
09:12 Lal Vibhandar Chitra,
09:14 Mare Dast Gire Ik,
09:16 means you have been putting in the last few times,
09:19 you have been removing the 35 years,
09:21 so if you still have to use someone else's shoulder,
09:26 then what did you come to do in power?
09:28 He has been doing this drama for 16 months,
09:31 that our government was not there,
09:33 he is such a senior,
09:34 an aged person,
09:36 he is saying that if there was a minister of the Noon League,
09:38 then the government would have been ours,
09:40 so Rana Sanaw Allah,
09:41 Ahsan Iqbal,
09:42 the other Rana's,
09:43 the other Khwaja's,
09:44 which party were they from?
09:46 Or did they take a loan from somewhere?
09:48 And the statement of People's Party Bilawal,
09:51 that he is not as much of a minister as our ministers,
09:55 when there were so many loves,
09:57 when you could have boycotted,
09:59 that first keep 25 million for the flood relief fund,
10:02 God knows if it was to be used for the flood relief fund,
10:05 or for the next election.
10:06 Madam, you remember,
10:07 someone wanted Shabaz Sharif for Sindh.
10:10 Yes,
10:11 that he should give it for Sindh,
10:13 and he is saying that you should give us Naveed Qamar,
10:15 this is a change,
10:16 he was making a donation,
10:18 he said take it and give it.
10:20 So now these statements,
10:21 I don't think that the people will believe this.
10:25 I have even released a small video this morning,
10:28 that for God's sake,
10:29 don't believe what he says,
10:31 you should come out for your rights,
10:33 it is a very good thing.
10:34 The people say that the protest and the protest have their rights,
10:38 but don't come on their call.
10:40 Yesterday the JUI people were protesting there,
10:42 today the People's Party called,
10:44 and sir, this corruption that has arisen,
10:46 these IPPs agreements,
10:48 I have been a member of the Power Committee for the last 5 years,
10:51 3.5 years in the PTI government,
10:54 and 16 months,
10:55 I have been asking for IPP agreements for the last 5 years,
10:59 that is there a Godly person,
11:01 who can show me those agreements,
11:03 and find out that the poor people's
11:06 greedy rulers have made such agreements to fill their pockets,
11:10 that you increase electricity,
11:12 whether we take it or not,
11:14 whether we consume it or not,
11:16 but we will pay you in dollars,
11:19 because it is not going out of our pockets,
11:21 we have to peel off the skin of the 25 crore worms.
11:27 So all these are responsible,
11:29 all governments,
11:30 you can't ignore anyone in this.
11:32 You are absolutely right.
11:34 Mr. Umar Ayub,
11:35 because you have been the minister of this issue,
11:38 the issue of power,
11:40 and the circular debts that have been created,
11:43 the line losses,
11:45 the electricity theft,
11:47 tell me where the problem is actually?
11:50 In your opinion,
11:51 why have we not been able to solve this issue yet?
11:53 For the last 15 years,
11:54 at least 10 years,
11:55 we have been hearing that there are problems,
11:57 and that there are circular debts.
12:00 Thank you very much, Mr. Kashif.
12:02 Mr. Kashif, the solution to the problem,
12:04 if you look at it,
12:05 the solution to the problem is the previous government of the Muslim League,
12:09 what did they do in 2016?
12:11 I will give you just two minutes,
12:13 I will explain it to you in the language of common sense,
12:16 and to the viewers from your audience.
12:18 They say,
12:19 800 pounds of Gorilla Naroom elephant in the room,
12:22 that is what Mr. Sahib just talked about,
12:25 capacity charges,
12:26 whether you buy electricity or not,
12:28 these charges have to be paid to you.
12:30 And where did this come from?
12:31 They have planted imported fuel plants.
12:35 In Sahiwal,
12:37 the middle of the country,
12:39 the middle of the country,
12:41 and there you are planting imported coal.
12:44 You have to pick up coal from the coast and burn it here,
12:47 and make electricity from it.
12:49 You have planted LNG plants.
12:51 LNG plants,
12:52 and they planted it when they had to plant renewable energy plants,
12:57 they scrapped it and made this plant from imported fuel.
13:01 What is renewable energy?
13:03 Solar and wind.
13:04 They scrapped it and gave it 4,000 megawatts of power.
13:08 What happened with this?
13:10 The interest you have to pay for the loan,
13:14 you have to pay it in 10 years,
13:16 the life cycle of the project is 25 years.
13:19 So you have given the owners 10 years to benefit them.
13:24 Okay, with that, this is called front-loading in the technical term.
13:28 The root cause comes from here.
13:32 The second thing that goes beyond this,
13:34 this capacity payment used to be around 450 billion in 2018,
13:38 today it has come to 2,000 billion.
13:41 Because as their plants,
13:43 which they had contracted,
13:44 they kept coming online,
13:46 you have to pay interest,
13:47 you have to pay all the charges.
13:49 This is the basic reason.
13:50 After this, the Muslim League…
13:52 Where is the report of Hussain Asghar,
13:54 which was made on IPPs during your time?
13:57 That is also there.
13:58 The minister who is above him,
14:00 he was the head of the IPP committee.
14:05 The rates of IPPs were revised.
14:07 There was also savings.
14:09 It was done during our time.
14:11 The Muslim League and PDM did nothing.
14:13 You come beyond this.
14:15 Now these people are crying crocodile tears,
14:19 that they should be taxed.
14:21 They should have done it.
14:23 Why didn't they do it?
14:25 Today, the government departments,
14:29 the biggest idiots,
14:31 tell them to show you a chart,
14:34 which departments have to pay how much,
14:37 distribution companies,
14:38 you will know.
14:39 You will know.
14:40 A small farmer's SIN,
14:42 Balochistan, Punjab, KP,
14:44 or somewhere else,
14:45 they come and deduct it.
14:46 But the government departments,
14:48 no one is ready to deduct it.
14:49 Above that, you see the losses of distribution companies.
14:53 Sir, how is electricity theft done?
14:55 Why didn't you invest?
14:57 Sorry, you didn't hear me.
14:59 I said how is electricity theft done?
15:01 Electricity theft.
15:03 Electricity theft is done by these goons.
15:06 During our time, we ran the whole campaign.
15:08 And we reduced the line losses by 70%.
15:11 In our country, you see the record of that time.
15:14 We made 80% of Pakistan load shedding free.
15:18 We were fixing our fuel planning.
15:21 We were fixing distribution systems.
15:23 We were investing.
15:24 They didn't do anything.
15:27 They didn't do anything.
15:28 And today, you see the rate.
15:30 During our time, during PTI,
15:32 Kashif sir, we reduced your industrial rate.
15:37 We brought it to 12 rupees.
15:38 And we said that the more electricity you use,
15:41 the rate of using more electricity will be reduced.
15:44 Your normal rate was 16 rupees per unit.
15:48 Today, that rate has reached 64 rupees.
15:51 And remember my time and date.
15:53 It will go to 85 rupees per unit.
15:55 Because the September bill will come.
15:57 The dollar will rise further.
15:59 This is called true up.
16:00 The electricity you used 3 months ago,
16:02 will come in September's NIRF.
16:05 This electricity will be more expensive.
16:07 Your collection is decreasing.
16:11 Sir, the campaign you said for the coal mines,
16:14 we ran it.
16:15 If today, the situation you are in,
16:18 we work on war footings,
16:23 how long will it take to finish these coal mines?
16:26 Let's do it.
16:28 We do all the other work.
16:30 I don't know if you are saying no,
16:32 I think you are saying that it cannot be finished.
16:35 Is there political patronage?
16:37 Let me take a comment from Sahira.
16:39 She wants to say something.
16:41 I am sorry, I have been in the government for 3.5 years.
16:53 All the political interference that used to happen from the Governor's house,
16:57 and the transfer, posting, and our own people,
16:59 5-6 MNAs,
17:01 this was the work that was going on.
17:03 I will tell you about HESCO,
17:05 how I know HESCO.
17:07 I know about it.
17:09 Until there is no political interference,
17:12 that this SDO will be here, this engineer will be here,
17:15 and the money will be given.
17:17 Posting is done, it is monthly,
17:19 the voters, the feeders,
17:21 leave them.
17:23 People go and tell you the ways themselves.
17:26 If you have 4 ACs at home,
17:28 they will give you Rs 25,000 per day.
17:30 You can use as much as you want.
17:32 And they come and put up the pillars themselves.
17:35 But the political interference should end.
17:38 It was 3.5 years ago,
17:40 and it was in this 16th month.
17:42 They have taken away HESCO,
17:44 and the right to choose, in this 16th month,
17:46 the board of directors,
17:48 the board of directors,
17:50 they give it to them.
17:52 So, Umar Ilyas,
17:54 the problem is that the governments are involved.
17:57 No one has tried to end it the way it should be.
18:01 I will interrupt you for a second.
18:04 What Sahira Sahiba said is very important.
18:07 I will tell you,
18:09 we have a senior level officer,
18:12 in Sindh, he caught a people's party MNA's brother,
18:17 stealing electricity.
18:19 We moved to file an FIR against him.
18:23 The chief minister did not let it happen.
18:25 The people's party chief minister did not let it happen.
18:29 We called IG and said,
18:31 we will move against you, or not against him.
18:33 Sir, was your governor involved in the transfer posting?
18:36 Was he involved?
18:38 The governor was not involved.
18:40 The governor was not involved.
18:42 The government of the people's party did not let it happen.
18:47 The police was with the provincial government.
18:53 We did not have any issue in any other province.
18:55 Here in Sindh, we had a huge problem.
18:58 Because the police and their intervention was everywhere.
19:02 The biggest issue for me was when I was the power minister.
19:05 I did not let them operate on the land.
19:08 So, the common citizen is facing now,
19:12 all these agreements, all these imported fuel plants,
19:16 PMLN brought them.
19:18 And now their ministers and other people,
19:20 their MNA's, your MNA's, say,
19:23 we are with the people.
19:25 Why are you doing the work of hypocrites?
19:28 Why are you lying?
19:30 All these plants are yours.
19:32 The agreements you have made,
19:34 their significance is in your hands.
19:36 So, the agreements are wrong, it is imported fuel.
19:38 I remember when the Prime Minister was elected,
19:40 when Shabaz Sharif Rana Sir,
19:42 he was asking Shabaz Rana Sir,
19:44 he said, "Sir, the people's party is involved in this."
19:46 I remember Shabaz Sharif Sir was giving a speech,
19:48 he said, "Who has planted these imported fuel plants?"
19:50 I will try to remove that sound for you.
19:52 He suddenly realized.
19:54 You remove the Kargay plant.
19:56 The one that came from Turkey.
19:58 The one that came from Turkey,
20:00 the one of rental power.
20:02 We went and settled it at zero cost.
20:04 I myself went to Turkey,
20:06 and at zero cost,
20:08 their corruption came in front of us.
20:10 First, they took an order from the foreign court
20:12 against Pakistan.
20:14 When their corruption came in front of us,
20:16 when we confronted them,
20:18 we finished it at zero cost.
20:20 This is the Kargay's,
20:22 the Arbor Dollar's,
20:24 I will ask Rana Sir,
20:26 I will ask him too,
20:28 because you will remember,
20:30 Rana Sir was the Water and Electricity Minister
20:32 at that time,
20:34 and he was also given the title of Raja Rental,
20:36 during the Muslim League Noon.
20:38 Rana Sir, where do you see the problem?
20:40 In the name of Allah,
20:44 the problem that our sister,
20:46 Mother Sahira, identified correctly.
20:48 The theft is also correct.
20:50 And what Omar Ayub Sir is saying,
20:52 that you have added so many power plants,
20:54 that you don't need electricity.
20:56 Or, you need it,
20:58 but you are not producing electricity
21:00 and selling it.
21:02 This is a very interesting aspect,
21:04 that a plant that can produce
21:06 100 megawatts of electricity,
21:08 you are saying that no,
21:10 if I run the plant and buy electricity
21:12 and sell it,
21:14 then 30 rupees will be wasted in theft,
21:16 and the recovery of bills,
21:18 I don't have enough capacity to recover,
21:20 I will put 70 rupees in my pocket.
21:22 So what they do is,
21:24 the government does not order
21:26 the dispatch of the plant,
21:28 and the government closes the plant
21:30 and pays the idle capacity.
21:32 This is a very big issue.
21:34 Sir, if you say idle capacity payment,
21:36 or for a common man,
21:38 what does idle capacity mean?
21:40 Does the government have to pay 100% of the plant?
21:42 I think Omar Ayub Sir will correct me,
21:46 maybe 60% of the plant has to be paid.
21:48 The capacity available,
21:50 the special condition for that,
21:52 if I take electricity from you or not,
21:54 there are two factors,
21:56 one is the plant is operational,
21:58 but due to some operational reason,
22:00 it is not available,
22:02 then you will not have to pay for it.
22:04 One plant is ready to give you electricity,
22:06 the government of Pakistan is saying
22:08 that I cannot take electricity,
22:10 because of any reason,
22:12 then you will pay it.
22:14 The figure of this financial year is estimated
22:16 to be around Rs. 3,010 billion.
22:18 The total requirement of this year
22:20 for the power sector is Rs. 3,475 billion.
22:22 Out of that,
22:24 Rs. 2,010 billion will go
22:26 to idle capacity payments.
22:28 There is a fixed component,
22:30 that whoever is the owner of the plant,
22:32 on an average,
22:34 25% of the plant is his own capital,
22:36 and 70-75% is borrowed from him.
22:38 So, that will also be half,
22:40 and it is going through your tax.
22:42 Is the politician serious
22:44 about stopping the electricity theft, Mr. Rana?
22:46 Zero.
22:50 There is no politician who is serious about it,
22:52 whether it is the PTI,
22:54 or the government of Pakistan Muslim League,
22:56 or the Coalition Partners.
22:58 I will give you another example.
23:00 This is a very sad example.
23:02 How are we running this country,
23:04 despite the fact that people were dying,
23:06 and their electricity bills were increasing.
23:08 Just now, before leaving,
23:10 the government has approved
23:12 a new power plant,
23:14 which will be able to
23:16 generate 1,200 megawatts of electricity.
23:18 Earlier, you were not using
23:20 the 40,000 megawatts,
23:22 and now you are charging
23:24 more than Rs. 2,000 per unit,
23:26 without using it.
23:28 On an average,
23:30 Rs. 17 per unit is generated.
23:32 Mr. Rana, tell me,
23:34 if there is so much electricity,
23:36 then why are you making so many power plants?
23:38 And why is there a load shedding?
23:40 I am bringing this up,
23:42 why did the government approve
23:44 the addition of 1,200 megawatts?
23:46 When you have so much electricity,
23:48 and you are not using the power plant
23:50 because of the fear of theft,
23:52 or the fear of low electricity bills,
23:54 and you are adding another 1,200 megawatts.
23:56 This is a very big issue.
23:58 That is why I say,
24:00 they are not being intentional.
24:02 Secondly, the theft factor,
24:04 you can check the boards
24:06 of power distribution companies,
24:08 which parties are involved.
24:10 Tell me.
24:12 The ones who were in power,
24:14 check in Sindh,
24:16 people from Pakistan People's Party
24:18 will come out, check in Punjab,
24:20 people from Pakistan Muslim League
24:22 will come out.
24:24 When there was PTI,
24:26 they had their own people involved.
24:28 This is the dilemma.
24:30 And then there is your SDO,
24:32 meter reader,
24:34 and XEN.
24:36 I have received a call from Faisalabad.
24:38 A person from Faisalabad
24:40 wants to transfer to Gujranwala.
24:42 He is ready to pay.
24:44 I asked him why.
24:46 He said it is an industrial zone.
24:48 We recover from there.
24:50 Not the government's recovery,
24:52 but personal recovery.
24:54 I am not telling you this.
24:56 I have had a direct conversation with him.
24:58 If the government wants to fix the issue,
25:00 then their approach is wrong.
25:02 First of all, they will have to end the theft.
25:04 This can be done from tomorrow morning.
25:06 But why not?
25:08 Will the government not save electricity
25:10 by shutting down the AC?
25:12 If you shut down the AC,
25:14 and wipe the picture of the minister
25:16 with imported tissue,
25:18 it will be a good thing.
25:20 I will come back to the issue.
25:22 What is the solution?
25:24 The minister is asking
25:26 to shut down the AC.
25:28 Where are we going with this?
25:30 I will tell you very briefly.
25:32 I have spoken to the board of directors.
25:34 Shahbaz Rana has spoken to them.
25:36 We have put together a professional board
25:38 to fix the record.
25:40 We did not have a PTI.
25:42 We interviewed them professionally.
25:44 Secondly, what is the solution?
25:46 We said that we will create
25:48 a competitive trading market.
25:50 Why is there a capacity payment?
25:52 Because the current system
25:54 is that the companies
25:56 that are making electricity
25:58 are selling it to the same government.
26:00 It is a single buyer market.
26:02 We said that we will create
26:04 a competitive trading market
26:06 for the buyers.
26:08 We will increase the number of buyers
26:10 and sellers.
26:12 We will call it wheeling.
26:14 We will say that
26:16 Mr. Abasi is making electricity
26:18 in Kohistan.
26:20 He needs electricity in Faisalabad.
26:22 We will make a deal.
26:24 We will set the rate of electricity
26:26 and remove the screen of the stock market.
26:28 We started this work.
26:30 After us, the government
26:32 closed the deal.
26:34 After that,
26:36 the contracts
26:38 are a little technical.
26:40 It is a take and pay.
26:42 Whether you buy electricity
26:44 or not,
26:46 it is a single buyer market.
26:48 You have to take the capacity charges.
26:50 Once it is over,
26:52 it will go from take and pay to take and pay.
26:54 So, basically,
26:56 there is a solution, a time frame,
26:58 and there are laws.
27:00 Sir,
27:02 I am being asked to take a break
27:04 for the TV program.
27:06 I will come after the break.
27:08 The last thing,
27:10 the plants that we are talking about,
27:12 we made a model
27:14 on a least cost basis
27:16 that where you have to make electricity
27:18 at the lowest cost and when you have to bring it.
27:20 This government
27:22 has also made a deal for that.
27:24 When you don't do it scientifically,
27:26 when you don't do it scientifically,
27:28 I think your skype has blown up.
27:30 Or Zoom, whatever it is.
27:32 So, I will take a break.
27:34 But we should have a deal.
27:36 There is a deal.
27:38 Who will stop these deals?
27:40 Because the real problem is
27:42 that everyone knows the solution to this problem.
27:44 Everyone is telling you what can happen.
27:46 If you stop
27:48 the theft of electricity,
27:50 then your problems will end.
27:52 Why hasn't anyone tried this till now?
27:54 Someone should answer the real question.
27:56 Welcome back, Nazeem.
27:58 Theft is a big element,
28:00 Sahira Bano Sahiba.
28:02 But no one catches this theft.
28:04 What is the reason?
28:06 Why these thieves, goons,
28:08 you were also saying earlier
28:10 that SDO is free to do whatever.
28:12 Why doesn't anyone want to catch them?
28:14 Why doesn't anyone come and put their hands on them?
28:16 They are caught
28:18 to do their own work
28:20 and to do the work of the people
28:22 who are responsible for it.
28:24 They do all this
28:26 to do their own work.
28:28 They said that all these orders
28:30 come from the Governor's House.
28:32 I have been a member of the Power Committee
28:34 for the past five years.
28:36 I have done my work
28:38 with all my heart.
28:40 I have done my work with all my heart.
28:42 I have done my work with all my heart.
28:44 I want to tell you that
28:46 when the PTI government issued a bill,
28:48 I had abolished it.
28:50 I had a lot of
28:52 people listening to me.
28:54 But I said that
28:56 I cannot be a part of this.
28:58 You can do it, but I will not be a part of this.
29:00 And 16 months ago,
29:02 a bill came,
29:04 I abolished it.
29:06 And all these things,
29:08 no one wants to do it.
29:10 There are such areas in Karachi,
29:12 towards Gulshan-e-Mewar,
29:14 where there is no sunlight,
29:16 there are so many vaults.
29:18 They themselves do the theft.
29:20 We sit here and tell stories
29:22 that this should be like this,
29:24 or like that.
29:26 No one is serious.
29:28 I think the politicians have kept it as a weapon
29:30 that in the next campaign,
29:32 But that time has passed.
29:34 As they say,
29:36 water has passed from the head.
29:38 Now, to return what is happening,
29:40 even if you freeze some things,
29:42 then
29:44 there is a relief,
29:46 but you will have to stop these thefts.
29:48 No one is serious.
29:50 They have been told many times,
29:52 I have told the secretary many times,
29:54 that there is a small village towards Sindh,
29:56 Jhol, Duthro,
29:58 that there is no other facility here.
30:00 I told them that
30:02 why do the SDO or the linemen
30:04 want to post there?
30:06 Have you ever seen this thing?
30:08 And they did not go to another energy.
30:10 The coal that came from Africa,
30:12 you just
30:14 spent the money to get it,
30:16 he opened his eyes
30:18 that we are getting coal from there
30:20 and running this electricity house.
30:22 And he had said earlier that the coal
30:24 that comes out in our Sindh is not worth it.
30:26 And neither is there
30:28 enough space or capacity in our refinery
30:30 that it would need
30:32 double its capacity
30:34 for the use of our coal.
30:36 But just now,
30:38 8-9 months ago, Shabaz Sharif came
30:40 and he said that the coal of Sindh
30:42 is a game changer.
30:44 So, these are just words to say,
30:46 nothing serious.
30:48 Rana sir,
30:50 on one hand,
30:52 Shabaz sir himself
30:54 and the government
30:56 let me explain to the people,
30:58 just now someone called me and asked
31:00 what are the installed payments?
31:02 That is, the electricity house that we have built,
31:04 we have made a contract with all of them
31:06 that whether you build electricity
31:08 or not, you will get your money in dollars.
31:10 If I say something wrong,
31:12 Rana sir, please correct me.
31:14 So, these are the installed capacities,
31:16 you have to give them the money.
31:18 So, the electricity houses have the advantage
31:20 that if they don't have to do any work,
31:22 they don't have to build electricity
31:24 because they will still get the money.
31:26 So, we made the second decision
31:28 that we built electricity on imported fuel.
31:30 We said that we will run LNG plants,
31:32 we said that we will run it with coal,
31:34 we will run all things from outside Pakistan
31:36 and we will run it.
31:38 We had plants on furnace oil,
31:40 when we made a lot of agreements,
31:42 the dollar was around 100 or 120.
31:44 Now the dollar has gone to 300.
31:46 So, we have to give them money in dollars
31:48 because of which the electricity is getting more expensive.
31:50 Rana sir,
31:52 stealing or
31:54 importing fuel,
31:56 that is, ordering things from outside
31:58 and making electricity on it,
32:00 didn't we know what we were doing?
32:02 Or did we know what we were doing?
32:04 Kashif sir,
32:06 we know very well what we are doing.
32:08 A power minister is still with you
32:10 who has experience.
32:12 He has been to 2-3 other ministries.
32:14 Everyone knows what was happening.
32:16 And even today they know what is happening.
32:18 I am telling you very honestly,
32:20 for the past 2 years,
32:22 I have been writing this thing
32:24 that you have taken the work
32:26 that the power sector will be damaged,
32:28 you will increase the price of electricity
32:30 and recover it and the circular debt will not increase.
32:32 You are living in the heaven of fools.
32:34 What is happening at the moment?
32:36 When the government of PTI ended,
32:38 our circular debt was 2,253 billion rupees.
32:40 I am giving you the number of June.
32:42 Their government will end in April
32:44 because the number of the end of the financial year is a little relevant.
32:46 The government of PDM
32:48 increased 8 rupees in July,
32:50 increased 3 rupees 23 paise per unit in February,
32:52 increased 8 rupees again in July
32:54 and in the meantime,
32:56 quarterly tariff adjustment
32:58 and other things,
33:00 they put a burden.
33:02 Despite this, the circular debt
33:04 was 2,253 billion rupees.
33:06 It has become 2,310 billion rupees
33:08 and they have given an additional
33:10 subsidy of 335 billion rupees.
33:12 The government has given.
33:14 And you remember that
33:16 a mini budget came in February.
33:18 IMF made that mini budget for you
33:20 so that the target of budget deficit
33:22 remains there and the electricity subsidy
33:24 is paid by taxes.
33:26 If you do not give money from here,
33:28 then you will give money from there,
33:30 but you have to give money.
33:32 Power Division
33:34 gave a presentation to PM
33:36 Joshua Shahbaz Shiv
33:38 a few months ago
33:40 that how we will recover 100 billion rupees
33:42 and bring improvement from different places.
33:44 Today, someone will call him and ask
33:46 where is the recovery?
33:48 The power division team is still sitting there.
33:50 Look, the work is very simple.
33:52 You can do it tomorrow morning.
33:54 It will not happen, I am telling you again.
33:56 What is the work?
33:58 The system of electricity in the country
34:00 will be one of the cost of electricity.
34:02 End it. Why should we end it?
34:04 Our sister was saying that there are
34:06 potholes in Peshawar and Quetta.
34:08 Who is paying for it?
34:10 Faisalabad, Islamabad, Gujranwala,
34:12 Lahore and Multan.
34:14 When this Yaksa tariff will end,
34:16 whoever will steal will have a higher tariff.
34:18 Whoever will not steal will have a lower tariff.
34:20 Then your first improvement will come here.
34:22 Secondly, the debt service charge
34:24 of 335 billion rupees.
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