00:00 But now, Pakistan has a lot of legal challenges in front of Tariq Insaaf.
00:04 The first legal challenge is posed by Mr. Akbar S. Babar.
00:07 Today, he has held a press conference.
00:09 Apparently, he wants to take over Pakistan Tariq Insaaf.
00:11 He wants to make it a real political party.
00:14 He has offered Tariq Insaaf a job in his press conference.
00:17 What was the offer? Listen to his words.
00:19 The founding chairman of PTI should nominate three people.
00:22 We will nominate three people.
00:23 He should nominate his lawyer.
00:24 We will nominate our lawyer.
00:26 We will make a framework which is written.
00:30 Tariq Insaaf is angry that Mr. Akbar S. Babar is not a member of Pakistan Tariq Insaaf.
00:38 How can he fight the elections?
00:40 Today, he is standing on his position again.
00:44 He is not only a member of Pakistan Tariq Insaaf.
00:47 The Supreme Court has not given any solid evidence for the challenges posed by Mr. Akbar S. Babar.
00:57 Mr. Akbar S. Babar thinks that he is still a member of Pakistan Tariq Insaaf.
01:00 Listen to his words.
01:02 My membership has been lying for 14 years.
01:06 I have proved to be truthful in the Supreme Court.
01:08 Those lies have been proved.
01:09 When the Supreme Court of Pakistan has written in its decision that Akbar S. Babar is not only a member but a founding member,
01:15 then this question is not being asked.
01:18 So, the legal, political and all kinds of challenges are being faced by Pakistan Tariq Insaaf.
01:24 Senator Barista Ali Zafar is with us.
01:26 He is leading the legal matters.
01:28 He is also a political leader in the parliament.
01:31 We will ask questions from all these aspects.
01:35 Thank you very much, Barista.
01:37 Let's start with Mr. Akbar S. Babar.
01:39 Today, he said that he will appoint three people and you will appoint three people.
01:43 Then, the election process will take place.
01:45 This matter is getting complicated because he is claiming that he has been appointed as a member in the Supreme Court.
01:52 Do you think that when the time of election will come, you will have to nominate this panel for transparency?
02:02 As far as Mr. Akbar S. Babar is concerned, he is claiming that he is a member.
02:09 But, it is not right that he is relying on the judgment of the Supreme Court.
02:15 The Supreme Court has said that he is a founding member.
02:19 The Supreme Court has not decided whether he is a founding member or not.
02:24 He will have to prove his membership in the court and he will have to prove that he is a founding member.
02:30 I think that whenever the intraparty elections will take place, I will suggest that he should be allowed to fight for the elections.
02:39 He should be made a member and he should see if he has enough votes to make his panel.
02:48 First of all, he does not want to get a panel of so many members.
02:51 But, if he gets a panel, he should run for the elections.
02:54 I do not see any harm in that. He does not have any support.
03:01 He is saying that he should be treated like an equal partner.
03:05 He should sit with me as a party and I should sit with him.
03:09 He should make Gokhla a COR and then he will have to decide.
03:14 That is fine. He has a value. He has a nuisance value.
03:18 He keeps talking on his TV.
03:20 But, I do not see any legal status in him.
03:25 Sir, in the case of the bullet mark, he was quite right in saying that you have been put in a dent.
03:30 So, are you underestimating him?
03:32 Because, earlier also, he thought that there will be no nuisance value.
03:35 But, a lot has gone for PTI. Are you underestimating him?
03:40 Maria, you are saying that PTI has been harmed by the symbol.
03:45 I think that PTI has been harmed by the symbol that was taken.
03:49 But, you should think about who has been harmed.
03:53 The main harm has been done by the public.
03:55 It has been done by the voters whose right has been taken.
03:57 Because, they were confused for a long time.
04:00 They wanted to vote for a party.
04:02 But, they were in a state of confusion because a lot of symbols were visible in front of them.
04:08 So, this right has not been taken by PTI.
04:10 This right has been taken by the people.
04:12 I think we should see it this way.
04:14 Article 17.2 has been made for the people.
04:19 The symbol was put for them in the election laws.
04:23 So that, it is easier for them to vote.
04:25 So, when you take a vote for a party, you are saying that the party has been harmed.
04:30 Akbar S. Pawar must be saying that the party has been harmed.
04:33 But, I see it from a different angle.
04:35 Sir, there is a point.
04:36 But, because there are numbers in the election, it is very complicated to say that there is a free candidate.
04:39 I want to come to this.
04:40 But, first of all, you have made the election a free party.
04:44 You have said that everyone is busy.
04:46 They cannot participate in the election.
04:48 All the procedural work has to be done.
04:50 So, why did you hold the election?
04:51 Because, you knew that…
04:52 I will tell you the reason.
04:55 Because, we thought that we will hold the election.
04:59 Before the general election.
05:01 But, when we held the first meeting, the raids started.
05:07 And, our central office was seized.
05:11 And, after that, the office in Quetta was attacked.
05:16 Some people who were going, were arrested.
05:19 So, our candidates said that we are very busy.
05:23 First, we thought that we will do it on 5th.
05:26 We will take out our time in the intraparty election.
05:28 We will participate.
05:30 But, now, the threat is that we will make a venue.
05:34 There, the venue will be sealed.
05:35 And, we will be arrested.
05:37 Our crucial 3-4 days of the election will be over.
05:42 So, it is better to do the inauguration and take it after the election.
05:46 So, this debate was reasonable for us.
05:52 So, we thought that instead of 5th, we will do it on 8th, 9th, 10th.
05:56 There is no major issue in that.
06:00 The intraparty elections have to be done in the office.
06:02 So, this debate was reasonable.
06:05 There was no confusion.
06:06 The reason was that you are seeing how it is happening nowadays.
