00:01لذلكين Thank you So much for joining us on
00:05Euronews you have made quite a splash in the media this week you've launched a
00:09new think tank the Ryan group and it's co-chaired by Patrick Coxolason and
00:13Mario Draghi who needs no introduction but my question to you is beyond the
00:18names what's the goal
00:19yes so it's not it's not quite a think tank it's a it's a group where we will
00:24seek to put together entrepreneurs business people
00:28جاهزة و المجميزة من المستقبل
00:33ويجب أن نتحدث عن مجتمع على ما يجب أن نخلص على المدينة
00:38ويرجب أن نكون مدينة معظمين
00:40ما يحدث عن مجتمعنا
00:44النتينية للتغنية للتعامل
00:47والتعامل في سنة المستقبل
00:48يجب أن يكون في المستقبل
00:52فيرسن الأخريف
00:53جداً للأخريف
00:55في المنزل والمطالي
00:56و يعتقد أن ما يحلل جميع المحوظات هناك، ونحن في أخرى عندك ونفقها جميع هذه المثالات من أهل التالي في
01:08الغريفات خارجوة
01:08كما تعرفت ذلك الوقت ممتازات ونفقها، ونفقها في الواقع م ended الـرغيين،
01:13من تجربة الدقيقة، الـدول والتطريق الأشياء والمغوظة التي تحدثت في العالم
01:19and Europe is not doing what it needs to do
01:24to really move forward on the reforms that we need
01:28to become again the innovation superpower.
01:31There's this idea that perhaps this is also an attempt by Mario Draghi.
01:34There's a lot of people who talked about his report
01:36but he authored it and maybe he wants to reappropriate his work.
01:39How did this come about?
01:41How many months has it been in the megan?
01:43No, I don't think it's in any way an attempt to reappropriate
01:48or anything like that.
01:50I mean it's really an attempt to really kind of confront
01:54the situation we are facing now
01:56which is a situation that I think is critical for Europe.
02:01We missed an entire technological revolution
02:03which is the IT revolution.
02:05We depend basically on American companies for that.
02:08We risk missing the most important change
02:11maybe in the history of humanity which is AI.
02:13We risk having it outside.
02:15So the way this came through is conversations
02:19between Mario Draghi and myself.
02:22For many months, for many months.
02:23When did you get the idea?
02:25Just to be clear on this,
02:26is this group the result of a form of frustration
02:29that this report is not being implemented
02:32the way that it should or at the pace that it could?
02:35No, I think it's very much a result of the diagnosis
02:39of what's happening.
02:40I mean you've heard many of Mario Draghi's speeches in 2025
02:44and you've read what I have been writing
02:47and Patrick Colson feels likewise.
02:50So we have been setting this up over 2026
02:53and we have been talking to people who could be interested,
02:59people who had written things about this,
03:01people who knew that they had been saying.
03:03So these are people who are basically concerned
03:06about what Europe is and want to move Europe forward.
03:09You're trying to send a message.
03:11The timing is not a coincidence.
03:12I mean the message is that we really are wasting a lot of time
03:18and things need to move forward.
03:20So I think September is the start of the year in many ways, right?
03:26For me as an academic for sure,
03:28but I think for politicians and policymakers
03:31it's also the start of the year.
03:32and it's the moment that we kind of set all of us the agenda
03:38for what needs to happen for sure.
03:40Is this a message to European capitals?
03:43Is this a message to the European Commission?
03:45Ultimately the job of the head of the commission
03:46is to implement this report.
03:48Is this also about connecting the dots
03:50between the public and the private?
03:51Who is your message ultimately addressed to?
03:54I think the message is going to be addressed to all Europeans.
03:59I mean, when we say the time to act is now
04:02and we say, hey, Europeans notice that the technological race
04:06is proceeding without us
04:08and the big decisions that affect the future of Europe
04:10are being taken in San Francisco
04:11and in Shanghai and in Guangzhou.
04:15That in Beijing, that message is for all of Europe
04:19to realize, hey, this is an important challenge.
04:22And I want to ask you about AI in a minute
04:24but you say the message is addressed to all of Europe.
04:27I do have to ask you about some of the criticism
04:29that we've seen this week that says
04:30when you look at the names, the country distributions
04:33it is still very much led by Western names
04:36some of the European names that we've seen very much
04:38in the elite circles of Europe for 20 years.
04:40It's certainly not the same.
04:41No, you don't agree with that?
04:43No, no, no.
04:44We have many, many entrepreneurs below 30 years old
04:49we have people who've set up amazing companies in Europe
04:55we have the distribution geographic concern
04:58has come up, always comes up in Europe
05:00there's always some areas that are going to feel underrepresented
05:03we are in process.
05:06But you have one, but you only have one
05:07it's a gentleman from the Baltics
05:09representing an entire blog, you're Spanish
05:11if that had been done with Southern Europe
05:13you would have said that's very, not nice to say the least
05:17and it's not very balanced.
05:19So are you working actively?
05:20I would just tell people this is work in progress
05:22they will see updates.
05:23It's not a done list.
05:25There's more names.
05:26They were, I mean, the list is done
05:28but the published list is not done.
05:30What I mean is we were in, when we posted
05:34we were in final discussions with some people
05:37and that will be updated.
05:39You also have a book that came out of this
05:40Messy Jobs on the impact of AI
05:43we've seen once again this head of the European Central Bank
05:45saying she is concerned that Europe is really falling behind
05:49the United States and China
05:50which are throwing all of these resources and money into AI
05:54are we really behind?
05:55Have we lost this race entirely already?
05:57Yes, Messy Jobs, my book is a hopeful book
06:00it says that it's a book of the impact of the labor market
06:04of AI on the labor market
06:06I've been working on technology in the labor market
06:08my entire research career
06:10and the book argues that jobs are not tasks
06:13that the fact that the AI can do a particular task
06:15doesn't mean the job goes away
06:17jobs are much more messy
06:18there is much more than we do
06:20the book starts with a vignette from a family
06:23you know, when you have all your kids ready to go
06:26and in the morning one of them says
06:27I don't want to go swimming
06:29and you know, AI is not going to change the fact
06:31that you need to manage the situation
06:33so that's what the book is about
06:35it's about the impact of technology on the labor market
06:38our sense is this is going to be
06:40it's written with two Chinese Hong Kong scholars
06:45this is
06:46our view is
06:47this is going to be a gigantic change for humanity
06:50AI
06:51and we do think Europe is massively behind for sure
06:55some would say the jobs are not going to be messy
06:58in the way that they operate and integrate with the AI
07:00but in some places in Europe
07:01they could just disappear altogether
07:03what is the big concern
07:05when you look at the AI models in Europe
07:07that at this point
07:08dominates your thoughts
07:10but also those of the Rhine group
07:12what is the concern around AI?
07:14we
07:14I personally believe that
07:16Europe needs to win the implementation race
07:19we probably have lost
07:20the first stage of the technology
07:23and the infrastructure race
07:26largely
07:26we are not going to be the ones
07:28doing the large language models
07:29that are the foundation models
07:31but this market is going to be very competitive
07:34and we need to be the champions on that
07:35Europe needs to be the best
07:37and stop putting so much barriers
07:38and start embracing it more proactively
07:41well
07:42Luis Garagano
07:42thank you so much for joining us on Euronews
07:44I'm sure you've had a lot of emails
07:45about participants
07:46who would like to
07:48join the Rhine group
07:49this week
07:50you've certainly made a splash
07:51but of course now
07:52we look forward to seeing
07:53the work
07:53thank you so much sir
07:55thank you very much
07:56it's great to talk to you
07:58thank you so much for joining us
07:59thank you so much for joining us
07:59thank you so much for joining us
