Christian Evangelist Kicked Out of Burning Man Breaks His Silence

Cliff Buell

Christian evangelist Philip Renner joins me to reveal his side of what happened after his team was kicked out of Burning Man just two days into sharing Jesus with attendees. In this exclusive interview, Philip responds to the accusations, explains what led to their removal, and shares what he says really happened on the ground.  Connect With Philip Renner here: Instagram: https://www.instagram.com/philiprenner/ Facebook: https://www.facebook.com/PhilipRennerMinistries Youtube: https://www.youtube.com/@UC0okOH4AGe20H2fGG92jkZQ   Are You Going To Heaven OR Hell?👇 https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hzmENeLZzb4&t=2s  All Important Links: https://linktr.ee/cliffbuell  Become A Channel Member: https://www.youtube.com/channel/UC3ap1CNrpXD-O0wWPANhQvw/join  Connect With Me: Facebook: https://www.facebook.com/CliffBuell Instagram: https://www.instagram.com/cliffbuell/ Tiktok: https://www.tiktok.com/@cliffbuell  #christian #jesus #god #bible #reaction #burningman #philiprenner #festival #evangelism #christiannews  FAIR USE DISCLAIMER This video may contain copyrighted material that has not been specifically authorized by the copyright owner. Such material is used for purposes of criticism, commentary, news reporting, teaching, research, or education, which constitute “fair use” under Section 107 of the Copyright Act. I do not claim ownership of any copyrighted material used in this video. All rights and credit go directly to their respective owners. This content is transformative in nature — adding new meaning, commentary, or context — and does not substitute for the original works. If any copyright owner has concerns or would like material removed, please contact me directly and I will resolve the matter promptly.

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00:00Before I got into Burning Man, there were already Burning Man chats that explicitly said, let's let him set up,

00:08call the Rangers, send people in there on a regular basis, let's find a way how to shut down Philip

00:15Renner.

00:15What was the reason Burning Man gave you?

00:17I haven't seen a full reason of why I was actually asked to leave.

00:20I said, well, bring them here, let's talk this thing through.

00:23And they said, actually, the person doesn't want to reveal their identity.

00:27There's a lot of stuff that we do not do that was said about us, false accusations, and there's no

00:33proof.

00:33While you were at Burning Man, approximately how many souls did you guys see in those two days?

00:37549.

00:38All right.

00:38I'm here with Philip Renner.

00:40Brother, thank you so much for coming on.

00:42For those who don't know, man, you are making a lot of noise right now online because of Burning Man.

00:50They were recently kicked out.

00:51If you've been following my channel, I've done some reporting on it.

00:54And so we have him here today to, you know, clear up some of that.

00:57But before we get into it, we're going to learn a little bit more about Philip, his ministry, what he's

01:01doing.

01:02And, man, just grateful to have you here, Philip.

01:05Hey, I'm excited to be here, Cliff.

01:06And I pray that this will be a blessing to many people.

01:11Amen.

01:11Yes, I agree.

01:13So, brother, tell us first, man, take us as far back as you want to go, how you came to

01:17know Christ,

01:17and what kind of led you on a path of, you know, living for the Lord?

01:23Well, I grew up in a Christian family, and when I was six, I moved to the Soviet Union at

01:32the time.

01:33So I moved to Regalafia.

01:35I lived there for 10 years, and then I moved to Moscow, Russia, for 15 years.

01:44Wow.

01:44And I was a youth pastor there.

01:47My father is a missionary there.

01:50He's a pastor there.

01:51Still, my brothers are there.

01:54And I did a lot of worship.

01:56I released a worship movement, and it was the first album to ever be released.

02:02During that time period, it went viral in 15 nations pretty much overnight.

02:07It was wild.

02:10I was seeing God move.

02:11That's amazing.

02:12I was seeing miracles.

02:14I was seeing, like, you know, mosh pit worship, you know, with 2,000 youth jumping up and down like

02:20this,

02:21and things are going wild, but then they're on their face before God, and then God starts moving.

02:27So I was literally in revival.

02:31I got a hold of a book called God's Generals, and I started reading about a revival that happened

02:39in America in the 70s, in the 60s, 50s, even the 1900s, and my heart started burning for

02:48America.

02:50And everything was going great for me in Russia.

02:53Like, there was no reason for me to move to America whatsoever.

02:58But I just had a burden, and the Lord told me, he said, that you're going to be in America,

03:07and you're going to be a part of a revival, an awakening that is going to happen.

03:12And I said, okay, Lord.

03:15So we dropped everything.

03:17We left everything.

03:18We moved to America.

03:19America, it was a very hard decision.

03:21Not everybody supported us in that decision.

03:25It was a hard decision as far as ministry goes, but also financially.

03:29It was a big burden.

03:30And we moved here, and I thought, man, it was just going to start like this.

03:35Like, you know, that the ministry was going to explode within a second.

03:39But that didn't happen.

03:40And I actually ended up losing all of my support.

03:44And let me say, not all of my support.

03:48I did have one supporter.

03:49But I ended up in, like, what Christian would say, just this desert season.

03:58And I actually started to Uber.

04:03I became an Uber driver.

04:05And the interesting thing is just my introduction to Burning Man actually started when I was in that season.

04:12And I picked up two guys.

04:15It was, like, 1 a.m. in the morning.

04:18And I picked them up.

04:20And they said, hey, how you doing?

04:23I said, well, how was your summer?

04:24They said, oh, we went to this crazy place called Burning Man.

04:26And I said, really, what's that?

04:28And they got the vibe that I was a Christian.

04:30They just said, you wouldn't like it.

04:32And so I preached to them.

04:36I shared Christ with them.

04:38And I started dreaming about Burning Man.

04:42But really, the season why I became an Uber driver was so that I would stop being a star on

04:49the stage, a worship leader, you know, kind of star on the stage.

04:53But I'd get back to the fact that, you know, God sees you when nobody's looking.

05:01So, you know, everybody sees you when you're on stage and they take pictures and they're raising their hands and

05:07all that stuff.

05:07But when you're an Uber driver, nobody sees you.

05:10Nobody sees if you're actually preaching the gospel.

05:14And that changed everything for me.

05:16And I started preaching the gospel as an Uber driver.

05:19And demons were cast out.

05:22People were healed.

05:23Words of knowledge.

05:24All this revival happening in my car.

05:27And what was happening was there was an eruption of souls in my heart.

05:32And when I look back, really, from 2022, I'm in America.

05:38We're in COVID.

05:39And I started doing all these worship events all over America.

05:44But I would see Christians gather, but I didn't see really any, I didn't see anybody saved.

05:50And so that hurt my heart.

05:52So I said, Lord, what do I need to change this?

05:55He said, well, you need to go into the midst of the darkness and you need to preach the gospel.

06:02You need to bring worship, evangelism, and intercession all together.

06:08And since that time in 2022, we've seen over 30,000 people receive the word in gay parades.

06:18You're talking about satanic wish festivals.

06:21You're talking about places like Burning Man.

06:25Which, let me say this, that the people in Burning Man, the burners, they're some of the nicest people in

06:32the world.

06:32And I do not agree with everything that happens in Burning Man.

06:37But the people, they're wonderful.

06:39And they're very giving.

06:42And I actually think there's a lot that Christians can learn from hospitality in Burning Man.

06:49But it's been wild.

06:50It's just been a wild ride that God has taken us on.

06:55And here we are today.

06:57So that's a very quick nutshell of the last 11 years.

07:03Yeah, man.

07:04No, I appreciate it.

07:05I know I've seen some of your videos of you guys being at festivals and just praying and reaching people.

07:10And really, I think you're one of the only people I've seen doing this.

07:15I don't even know if I can think of anyone doing it, especially in the capacity that you guys are

07:18doing it.

07:19And you're going to some of these EDM festivals.

07:21These are places that, as myself, even as when I was not living for the Lord, I knew the Lord.

07:26But I wasn't living for them for a season.

07:27And it's like, man, these are places that I wouldn't have gone to because it's like, this is not my

07:31crowd.

07:31They're doing things that I would still deem as wickedness.

07:35And so to see Christians going in there and reaching the lost and really just bringing the love of Christ.

07:40Like, we know that these people are searching for something.

07:42They're finding community there.

07:44They're finding fellowship there.

07:45They're finding what they believe is a purpose or fulfillment there.

07:48And you guys are bringing the truth of Christ there and reaching people really that are ultimately in dark places.

07:54And, man, I just I love so much what you guys are doing.

07:56And I'm so grateful for it.

07:57So, yeah, thank you for sharing that backstory.

08:00We can get in then to kind of what happened at Burning Man.

08:03Now, you know, in case anybody doesn't know, I'll give I'll give my synopsis and then you fill in any

08:09details that I miss here.

08:10So you guys were at Burning Man.

08:12It took you four days to set up.

08:14Is that correct?

08:15Four days.

08:16Yes.

08:16Four days.

08:17So four days you set up this camp.

08:19You guys are then ministering to people.

08:23So from my understanding, Burning Man is all about this giving type of relationship.

08:27So you guys are giving out water, tea, coffee, different things.

08:31Right.

08:31And people can come in.

08:32They get shade and shelter.

08:34But you guys are using this as an opportunity to preach the gospel, spread the love of Christ.

08:39And people are you're seeing people get saved.

08:41And I know we'll go into some of those details as well.

08:43And then after two days, all of a sudden you're getting kicked out, which, from my understanding, is very uncommon

08:49for Burning Man to kick people out.

08:52It is a very rare thing to happen.

08:54And there's really no reason.

08:56Like, you don't know why it's happening.

08:58All of a sudden they're just like saying, hey, you guys are doing these things and you need to go.

09:02And from the outside looking in, it's like, okay, this is Christian persecution.

09:06People are spreading the love of Christ.

09:09And now they don't want these Christians here.

09:10Now, I do think there's more details to this.

09:12And obviously, I'm seeing so many comments online on my posts of reporting on it.

09:16I have Burners that are commenting, this is what actually happened.

09:19This is what the Rangers are saying.

09:21This is what they were doing, that they crossed the lines and all these things.

09:25So I wanted to get it from you and say, okay, well, I'm hearing all these things.

09:28But, Philip, what is actually going on?

09:30So anything I missed there, fill in those details.

09:32And then let's start with just kind of like what was the reason Burning Man gave you?

09:36And we'll go from there.

09:39Well, here's the truth.

09:40I have been in Burning Man twice before.

09:45And I was filming things.

09:49And I was filming things in places where I didn't know that I wasn't supposed to be filming because everybody

09:57is filming.

09:57And even in the places that I wasn't supposed to be filming, people were also filming.

10:03And we made a couple of posts last year.

10:09And Burning Man reached out to us and they said, this is sensitive material.

10:13Please delete it.

10:15And because I want to have a good testimony, I deleted these videos.

10:22And so when I came in this year, I kind of have a reputation of the guy that films where

10:29he's not supposed to.

10:31So I kind of had a chip on my shoulder already.

10:35But before I got into Burning Man, there were already Burning Man chats that explicitly said, how are we going

10:44to troll Philip Renner?

10:46How are we going to take out his camp before he even gets here?

10:50Let's let him set up, call the Rangers, send people in there on a regular basis.

10:55Let's find a way how to shut down Philip Renner.

10:59So that's how the whole thing started.

11:02And even when we set up, it was pretty interesting how just complaints out of nowhere just showed up.

11:11And we did have a DJ and we were put right in front of Hushville, which is Hushville, and Kidsville.

11:22So we were placed in a place where we're supposed to be very, very quiet.

11:27Did you get to choose that location or were you given that location?

11:31You are placed in that location.

11:35Now, when I spoke to Burning Man, I did say that I would be praying for people and that I

11:43would be leading them into encounters with God in my description of my camp.

11:51So, you know, maybe they decided that it would be best that I would be in a quiet place.

11:57But immediately before there were any issues with filming, there was immediate issues with sound.

12:05And my neighbors came up to me.

12:06We actually turned off the sound.

12:08The following day they came up to us.

12:10They said, thank you so much.

12:13You guys are awesome.

12:15Thank you for listening to us.

12:17We're so grateful.

12:20And I gave gifts to all of my neighbors because that's what you do.

12:26You give gifts.

12:27And so we did everything that we could to be a good neighbor.

12:31And even when we left, our neighbors were like, why are they leaving?

12:34They were so nice.

12:39Yeah, so the reason I asked the question I did ask is because I heard or saw multiple accusations that

12:46you guys set up in the kids area and you shouldn't have been there.

12:48But if you didn't have a choice of where you went, then, you know, that's that's no harm to you.

12:54Someone compared it to like being like an adult going to the kids playground or something.

12:58And that seems a bit harsh to me.

13:00But especially knowing what I know now, it's like that's not even a fair accusation because you didn't have a

13:06choice in the matter.

13:07And then when you were told to turn down your music and, you know, be quiet, you guys listen.

13:12And you did that because you're not trying to cause problems.

13:14Right.

13:14You know, the Bible is clear about being peacemakers.

13:17And so it's like you did that.

13:18You're like, OK, how can we make peace here so that we can continue the mission?

13:22We can continue the work of the Lord.

13:23So, yeah, when I even had Rangers that came up to me and they said they said that honestly, Phil,

13:34you went over and beyond last night.

13:37You can actually turn it up a little bit.

13:39You went over and beyond to to serve your nature, your neighbors.

13:43And one neighbor actually came over to us and said, hey, we miss you.

13:48Please turn up the music.

13:49You know, don't don't get out of here.

13:52We love you guys.

13:54And so we also had permission.

13:58I have an email that states that, yes, you were allowed amplified music because I made sure before I went

14:06in there that I had amplified music.

14:08So I had permission to do so.

14:11OK, yeah.

14:13So when Burning Man or the Rangers, you know, they came up and they're saying, hey, you have to go.

14:19I know there's the clip of you kind of talking with them and you're like, hey, I want in writing.

14:22What's the reason?

14:23Did you get that in writing?

14:24Did they give you a good reason?

14:27I haven't seen a full reason of why I was actually asked to leave.

14:33When I asked for evidence of why I left, they basically said that we've had conversations and people are unhappy.

14:45And I said, well, bring them here.

14:47Let's let's talk this thing through.

14:49Yeah, I'd like to figure this thing out.

14:52And they said, actually, the person doesn't want to reveal their identity.

14:56So it's really my word against yours.

15:01And I just don't believe you.

15:04And there was this whole thing about consent.

15:07And you have to understand how we minister.

15:10This is very important.

15:11We don't walk around anywhere.

15:14I mean, you can say Burning Man.

15:17You can say EDM festivals.

15:19We don't walk around anywhere with a blow horn screaming.

15:23You're all going to hell like that is not what we do.

15:27That is not Christ.

15:28It is not Christ like.

15:29And I don't like it.

15:31In fact, it makes me extremely angry.

15:33So what we do is always with consent.

15:36We walk up to people.

15:38We say, hey, can we sing a blessing over you?

15:42And this time when they spoke to us and they said, you have to get consent.

15:46We asked everyone, can we can we film you?

15:50This is for this is for a Christian Internet, you know, podcast or audience.

15:57Right.

15:58And they said, yeah, sure.

15:59Film.

16:00And and we would sing a blessing over them.

16:03And they're touched.

16:04We sing the blessing.

16:06And then after that, we say, hey, there's another gift that we would like to give to you.

16:11And it's when you become the temple of the Holy Spirit, you become a vessel, a vessel of God.

16:18And it happens when Jesus Christ is your Lord and Savior.

16:23And we say all of us have fallen short of the glory of God, which means I can't judge you.

16:28You can't judge me.

16:29Now, it's very important.

16:30If they say, I don't want that right now, we say, hey, have a good day.

16:33We love you guys.

16:34You don't force hold anybody's hand, tell anybody you must listen to us.

16:41We don't do any of that.

16:43We don't baptize without permission.

16:47There's there's a lot of stuff that we do not do that was said about us that is false accusations.

16:55And there's no proof.

16:57We were given no proof for the reason why we were asked to leave.

17:03Yeah.

17:04Yeah, I heard that that I just heard accusations about like you guys were like being physically forceful with people,

17:11like touching people.

17:12And yeah, just accusations.

17:15I was like this.

17:16This doesn't make sense.

17:16Like I said, Philip and Gabriel would have to be just blatantly lying about what is happening or what they

17:23said is true, where it was just false accusations.

17:26And it wouldn't make any sense for believers to go in there with a mission to win people to Christ

17:31and then break all these rules, treat people poorly.

17:35It's like that's not winning souls to Christ.

17:37Like that's not doing anything effective.

17:39And so, yeah, the whole thing seemed kind of crazy to me.

17:42There was there was one thing.

17:43And I want to make sure I ask you about that.

17:44There's one thing that was I was like, maybe this was one reason that they could have given.

17:48And it was about the dunk tank.

17:50Someone says something about dunk tanks like you can't have them.

17:52And obviously you guys were baptizing.

17:54So did you hear anything about that?

17:55Are there any rules around that?

17:58There are rules.

17:59You cannot get water on the playa.

18:01And that's why would they would say no to the dunk tank.

18:07But you have to understand that this was not a dunk tank.

18:13This was a baptismal.

18:15And it was like a metal trough, a large metal structure where we put water into it.

18:22But it was placed inside of a waterproof pool.

18:28So if any water is dripping out, it's dripping into the pool.

18:33And then on top of that, there are all these these rubber mats that were over the playa so that

18:41you wouldn't get any water on the playa.

18:43And then we would give them towels so that they would wash themselves off.

18:48So there was no water on the playa whatsoever.

18:51So it's not a dunk tank where people jump in and then they get water all over the playa.

18:57That is absolutely false.

19:01We did everything so that there would not be any water on the playa.

19:05I was doing everything that I could to be compliant with Burning Man.

19:09And even when I found out that I that I did some mistakes last year, I actually went to the

19:15administration of Burning Man and I asked for forgiveness.

19:19And I said, hey, I've messed up.

19:21What do I need to change?

19:25And I found out what I need to change.

19:28I changed that.

19:29They actually said, don't post until this time.

19:33We'll come to your camp.

19:34We'd love to see you.

19:37And unfortunately, they didn't show up.

19:39But that's when the Rangers showed up about three or four hours later and they asked us to leave the

19:44camp.

19:44So from my side, I tried to do everything that I could to be compliant with Burning Man, not to

19:53break the rules and to bring a great experience.

19:58I mean, people love coffee.

19:59They loved our matcha.

20:01They walk into our camp and they would say, oh, my gosh, this is so cool.

20:04We love your art.

20:06We love your atmosphere.

20:07We love the DJ.

20:08I mean, we were becoming pretty popular.

20:14We were fixing bikes.

20:17We were having, you know, just conversations with people.

20:21And honestly, I think we were having around 150 to 200 people a day come in.

20:31Wow.

20:33And it was getting pretty big, pretty fast.

20:36So it was a blessing to people.

20:38In fact, a lot of people came to the camp the following day and said, where are you guys?

20:42Where's our matcha?

20:43We love you guys.

20:44What's going on?

20:45Yeah.

20:46And, you know, what's what's done is done.

20:51And regardless of what happened, I just want to say that the Burners are awesome people.

20:59They're just they're just awesome.

21:01They serve each other.

21:02They they love each other.

21:04In fact, when we were asked to tear down within three hours, which is very unreasonable.

21:11And it was it was a storm happened as we were tearing down.

21:16And it was right before nightfall.

21:19So we couldn't we couldn't do everything super, super efficiently because you only have three hours to do it when

21:27you set up a camp in four days.

21:29It's a little unreasonable.

21:32Right.

21:32So we started unscrewing one one tent and then we stopped and we said, wait a minute, this is dangerous.

21:39We're not going to unscrew this tent because what if the wind blows and the thing flies away like a

21:45kite?

21:46We're going to take down all of these structures instead so that it's a safe environment.

21:51We had already taken taken a couple of the screws out.

21:55And when the wind really started flying, that's that's when the tent flew like a kite and and almost almost

22:02hit other camp members on the other side of the street.

22:05And so our team rushed over to to take away the metal structure.

22:11And Burners helped me.

22:12Christians helped me.

22:13They found out.

22:14And so I just got to say that I'm grateful to the Burners that helped me.

22:18I'm grateful to my neighbors.

22:21I'm grateful to the Rangers that that escorted us out.

22:26And they were they were extremely kind when they when they did so.

22:30So I want to say that, you know, I'm not I'm not saying that, you know, Burners are are bad

22:39people whatsoever.

22:41So ever I would say that Christians have a lot to learn from from Burners, the hospitality, the giving.

22:50And I love the people at Burning Man.

22:52That's why I go.

22:53That's why I spent a large amount of finances to to do this thing and bring my camp and and

23:01bless people and be a blessing to Burning Man.

23:04So, you know, yeah, man, I can tell, like, you know, you don't have any unforgiveness or bitterness towards the

23:09situation.

23:10And and that's exactly where where we should be.

23:12And it is very unfortunate.

23:15Would you say that there's anything that looking back you would have done differently?

23:18Or do you think that, you know, you were completely compliant and you were good and and you tried to

23:22make peace and create peace where you could?

23:27You know, looking back, you just have to ask yourself the question of.

23:36And honestly, the administration asked me this question, they said, if we told you not to film whatsoever, would you

23:42do it?

23:43And my answer was, yes, I would do it if you told me not to film, if I was here

23:48just for the people and not to release it anywhere, then.

23:52Then I would do it, right?

23:54So I would say we're there for the people.

23:58God has changed our lives.

24:00And if Burning Man's all about gifts, then we just want to give the greatest gift that we have, which

24:05is Jesus Christ.

24:06Come on.

24:07Give that gift because he's changed my life.

24:11He's changed the life of my team.

24:13And so everything that we did was with consent.

24:18We'd like to gift you a song.

24:19We'd like to gift you a blessing, gift you our faith.

24:24And if we were told, no, thanks, bro, then we didn't restrain anybody.

24:29We didn't tell anybody, you must listen to this.

24:35We tried to be as compliant as we could with Burning Man.

24:41And I'll say it again, the Burners are some of the nicest people that I've ever met.

24:46Yeah, man, I love this, at least the fruit of what's coming out of this.

24:50After I watched your video, I really felt that the Lord had done kind of what he needed to do

24:56with you through you guys there.

24:58And it was like he obviously allowed you guys to be removed.

25:01He could have stopped that.

25:03And so I really just felt like, man, like the work was done for you guys.

25:06And then I knew at the same time our brother Steve Weatherford, I don't know if you know him personally

25:10or not, but he was on his way to cover Mike Posner.

25:14And I was like, man, the Lord's not done there.

25:16Like he's not finished at Burning Man just because Philip Renner's camp is getting moved out.

25:21You know, Steve's on his way.

25:22And so I was just encouraged to know that like the Lord's still moving.

25:26And I'm sure there's other Christians on the ground that we don't know about that are doing work too.

25:29So, man, there's great people.

25:32In fact, they can't just tear down.

25:34There's wonderful people and wonderful Christians at Burning Man.

25:37And the thing that broke my heart was I didn't want what happened to us to, you know, to give

25:47a bad impression about the Christians that are there.

25:50Yeah.

25:50So that broke my heart.

25:53Honestly, the whole thing broke my heart because I love the burners and I love the creativity and the people.

25:59They're just, they're just wonderful.

26:00Absolutely.

26:02Does this impact you being able to go back next year at all?

26:09Well, my mission is all about souls.

26:11Yeah.

26:12So we didn't change our tickets and we didn't fly home.

26:17We're here.

26:18Here in Reno.

26:20And we took a day to clean up our stuff and put it in storage and all that so that

26:25we're, you know, we're good stewards of that.

26:28But the following day, I mean, yesterday we were at the rib cook-off and we were preaching the gospel

26:36for six hours.

26:38So it doesn't matter if you get shut down in one place.

26:43The mission is the same.

26:45It's all about souls.

26:47And so we went out and yesterday, I believe we won, uh, 530 people received the Lord.

26:54Come on.

26:55And we're going to go there tonight and day after tomorrow.

26:59And until Monday, that thing goes and we're going to go all over the city and preach about the love

27:05of Jesus.

27:06Just because we were asked to leave in one spot doesn't change the mission.

27:10Right.

27:10And so we're just, we're just redirecting a little bit.

27:15Yeah.

27:17God's good.

27:18Brother.

27:18I mean, yeah, he's clearly still using you.

27:21You're seeing souls one.

27:22And so you just different location, uh, move, move in a little bit and, and he's still using you.

27:27So it's, that's encouraging to hear.

27:28And I appreciate you sharing that while you were at burning man.

27:31How many, approximately how many souls did you guys see in those two days?

27:36549.

27:38Wow.

27:40That's, let's go.

27:41That's what our, that's what our account was.

27:43And when I see souls, you know, those are people that prayed the prayer of repentance voluntarily.

27:51Yeah.

27:52Because we forced it on them and forced Jesus' ignorines in their face and grabbed their hands and said, you

27:58can't.

27:59Yeah.

28:00This is.

28:00I heard that too.

28:01This is voluntary and we definitely didn't baptize kids without parents' permission.

28:07Like.

28:07Yeah.

28:08That did not happen.

28:09Kids at all.

28:09Right.

28:10We didn't baptize kids at all.

28:12Um, there's a lot of stuff that is completely false and there's no evidence, uh, to support it.

28:21But.

28:22Mm-hmm.

28:23Yeah.

28:24We, what God does with those salvations, that's up to God.

28:29Yeah.

28:29Like, but the reason why I go as a burning man is because I believe that just like the apostle

28:36Paul, before he was Paul, he was Saul.

28:39Mm-hmm.

28:40He was going after Christians.

28:42Mm-hmm.

28:43But then he got encountered with the love of God.

28:44He became Paul and he wrote 13 books of the Bible.

28:48So, that's why we go, we go after the, after people, um, that are in dark places, not to judge

28:59them.

28:59Um, but just to share the love of God that we have in our hearts, the love that has changed

29:03our hearts so that we can share that love with, with people that I love, which are burners.

29:10Yeah.

29:11So.

29:12Yeah.

29:13Amen.

29:14I was, um, I was actually just by, you know, the Lord's timing, uh, my, my Bible study this morning

29:20put me in first Peter four and I could not help, but think about you guys when I was reading

29:24about the suffering.

29:25And specifically, you know, Peter says, when you're insulted for following Christ, when you're insulted for being a believer, um,

29:32it's a blessing.

29:32It shows that the spirit of glory and of God is on you.

29:36And so I was just thinking about you guys and I'm like, man, like the spirit of glory and God

29:41is on you guys.

29:41Cause, and you even just shared, you guys were being insulted before you even showed up.

29:46There was already plans to hinder what was about to take place.

29:50And so, man, just if, if I can offer any encouragement, man, it's that the spirit of glory and of

29:55God is on you guys.

29:56And, uh, I think the fruit is evident in that you guys are seeing people receive the gospel of Jesus

30:01Christ.

30:02And so I'm encouraged by you guys.

30:04I am sorry that this of course happened, but again, I believe the Lord allowed it for whatever reason he

30:09did.

30:09You're now able to, to minister to people in another location.

30:12And, uh, man, I'm, I'm just grateful that you took the time to come on here and share this.

30:16Is, is there anything final that you want to make sure, um, you know, is aired out or talked about

30:20or the truth comes out or just anything that's on your heart in general that you feel led to share?

30:26Um, I just, I'm grateful to be here and honestly, I'm, I'm grateful for, for the whole experience and I'm

30:35grateful, uh, that we got to, to be with, with the burners.

30:40Which, like, I love them.

30:42And if it was just for one, if all the finances was just for one, for one to be encountered,

30:48if it was just for our neighbors that loved us, then it was worth it because you leave the 99

30:57to go after the one that is the gospel.

31:00And I am super excited, uh, about what's, what's to come, uh, you know, after every storm, there's always sunshine,

31:14there's always light and things that are evil.

31:18God turns for good.

31:19And that's what I'm expecting.

31:21And there's no other way.

31:24Amen.

31:25Brother, I appreciate it so much.

31:27Thank you again.

31:28Uh, man, it's, it's been such a blessing, uh, to get to talk to you, to get to know you,

31:32but I appreciate you taking the opportunity to share about, you know, what's happening.

31:35You're true, the heart behind what you're doing truly.

31:38And, uh, you know, I think there's a lot of misconceptions about what happened there.

31:42And so I think, you know, this should clear it up.

31:44People should know that you came there because you love people and you want to give them the best gift

31:48that can ever be given.

31:49And there's no ulterior motives.

31:51There's, there's no selfish intent here and there's no unforgiveness or bitterness.

31:55Like you have forgiven them.

31:56You are grateful for them and, and I'm, I see that clearly from you and I hope that they do

32:01as well.

32:01So thank you again, Philip.

32:03I appreciate it.

32:05It's been awesome to speak to you as well, Cliff.

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