Mistrial for Lindsay Clancy! Twitter/X Livestream

Stefan Molyneux

Philosopher Stefan Molyneux talks about the Lindsay Clancy mistrial after the jury could not agree. He looks at why the insanity defense is so hard to prove years later, the evidence on her medications and state of mind, and why we should not build a life with someone who rejects facts for feelings.  0:00:00 Sunday Morning Philosophy and Clancy 0:04:25 Jury Deadlock and Legal Theory 0:09:17 Sanity, Evil, and Strange People 0:14:19 Expert Testimony and Mind Reading 0:18:10 The Holdout Juror 0:25:12 Mistrial and Appeal 0:27:43 Press Briefings After Court 0:28:51 Medication and Toxicology 0:32:00 Media Reactions and Retrial 0:32:51 Premeditation or Madness? 0:40:51 Retrial Stakes and Fundraising 0:41:48 Hung Jury Explained 0:43:34 What Men and Women Judge 0:51:22 Sympathy for the Mother 0:53:21 Medication Narrative Challenged 0:59:07 Mental Illness and Willpower 1:06:19 Famous Insane Killers 1:11:00 Comfort Makes Us Soft 1:18:24 The Value of Discomfort 1:25:25 Vulnerability and Toughness  JOIN ME IN NASHVILLE SEPTEMBER 12! https://wordwardebate.com/  Use code STEFAN for 10% off!  GET FREEDOMAIN MERCH! https://shop.freedomain.com/  SUBSCRIBE TO ME ON X! https://x.com/StefanMolyneux  Follow me on Youtube! https://www.youtube.com/@freedomain1  GET MY NEW BOOK 'PEACEFUL PARENTING', THE INTERACTIVE PEACEFUL PARENTING AI, AND THE FULL AUDIOBOOK! https://peacefulparenting.com/  Join the PREMIUM philosophy community on the web for free!  Subscribers get 12 HOURS on the "Truth About the French Revolution," multiple interactive multi-lingual philosophy AIs trained on thousands of hours of my material - as well as AIs for Real-Time Relationships, Bitcoin, Peaceful Parenting, and Call-In Shows!  You also receive private livestreams, HUNDREDS of exclusive premium shows, early release podcasts, the 22 Part History of Philosophers series and much more!  See you soon! https://freedomain.locals.com/support/promo/FREEDOMAIN2026

Transcript

00:00:00good morning my friends mein frauleins and gentlemen welcome to your sunday morning

00:00:08live philosophy so no show last night because we were invited to a wedding proposal

00:00:17somebody we know very well got engaged there were sparkles there was joy there was tears

00:00:25and it was a great deal of fun and then we celebrated with karaoke okay i won't start

00:00:34so a glorious evening of renewal and fun and all of that kind of good stuff

00:00:40so i hope you had a a wonderful weekend too um i guess we're gonna dip a smidge into the

00:00:49lindsey

00:00:49clancy happy to get your questions and comments and so on congratulations to the betrothed couple

00:00:55marriages are sprouting like geysers all around us and so on uh you know in in those fantasy movies

00:01:03they always kill the wizard and then the the whole place starts collapsing and they've got to get out

00:01:08and lie on the grass and gaze at the sky and the centaur nuts and uh singledom in the women

00:01:15in my

00:01:15life is crumbling like a brutal collapsing castle all right so friday september the 4th for the

00:01:24lindsey clancy trial i'm going to get into a little bit of this i hope you'll be patient with me

00:01:27this a lot

00:01:28philosophically you know i i hate that that all of this happened of course it goes without saying

00:01:34however i will say that the presence of unalloyed female evil in my view is not bad

00:01:46bad for philosophy as a whole that is right it's not bad for philosophy as a whole

00:01:59internet is is fixed so okay sorry i guess i get i got two seconds of the internet so

00:02:06of course after um hurling invectives at everyone and you know i hate making threats i really do you know

00:02:13but uh sometimes you gotta if you're not getting the right responses so they said oh we can fix it

00:02:20on the ninth and i said well that's not no like just no like i know you can do it

00:02:25sooner than that

00:02:26there's nobody with a higher need uh it's been out for like five or six weeks and so uh no

00:02:31uh that's

00:02:32not a thing so then they said well we have to set it up as the ninth then we'll escalate

00:02:35it we'll get

00:02:36back to you this that and the other so um we were out with with house guests and we came

00:02:41back

00:02:41and there was a guy who said i fixed the cable outside the house and he said yeah the last

00:02:49guy

00:02:49who came out to fix the cable didn't really seem like he did anything i don't know what he did

00:02:53and

00:02:53i'm like okay so does that mean i have internet no

00:03:00uh so the whole point is because you have no internet because of the cable outside your house

00:03:04is i fixed the cable outside your house and i said okay good so i have internet no uh because

00:03:11the internet provider has to change the box from a small box to a large box inside the house and

00:03:18i'm

00:03:18like nobody ever mentioned that that's not a thing so basically i have to coordinate between two people

00:03:23who don't talk to each other to get my internet back so um and and nobody had called me nobody

00:03:31had

00:03:31texted me it was just by coincidence that i happened to come across the guy who was fixing

00:03:34things out my house and so i uh i decided to to take a couple of hours off from snarling

00:03:44like a feral

00:03:45lobster at um confused people with strange accents and so i uh then um a couple of hours later the

00:03:54internet

00:03:55came on nobody had contacted me nobody talked to me uh and it just it came back on and it

00:04:00seems to be up so

00:04:05things have been solved in a chaotic way basically it's like uh detonating

00:04:11a box of ikea furniture and having them land in another field smoking but somehow vaguely assembled

00:04:17that's how it seems to be to get things fixed in this planet of no meritocracy anyway so we'll get

00:04:26back to lindsey clancy so jury deliberations resumed for the seventh day this is as of friday

00:04:33totaling 37 to 40 hours after a short session jury sent a note to judge william sullivan quote it is

00:04:41with

00:04:41a heavy heart that we report we are unable to come to a unanimous decision and will not be able

00:04:48to now

00:04:48i don't mean to be overly fussy but it is not with a heavy heart it is with heavy hearts

00:04:55unless they're

00:04:56sharing one heart it would be plural hey not to be overly fussy all right

00:05:05sullivan hears both sides prosecution does not oppose ending deliberations of course right

00:05:09uh well prosecution does not oppose ending deliberations well no they they of course

00:05:16um want to guilty but because it's 11 to 1 to i assume not guilty by reason of insanity

00:05:23uh they don't mind that defense attorney kevin reddington wants more deliberation and or removal

00:05:30of the juror identified in thursday's 11 to 1 note as not following the reasonable doubt instruction

00:05:37now here's a complicated philosophical moral question which is bad law so if you've ever been

00:05:43a computer programmer you know like one bad brick usually doesn't destroy the entire wall right

00:05:50maybe has to be repaired or whatever but the rest of the wall kind of holds sound

00:05:54um if you are a computer programmer uh one bad line of code can destroy the entire program

00:06:04either render it unable to compile or even worse it works but does wrong things that are hard to find

00:06:10so in the same way one a bad law can kind of bring down the whole legal system now i'm

00:06:16going to go on a

00:06:17little bit of a rant here but i will say of course i'm not a lawyer this is just my

00:06:23opinion

00:06:24but i've studied law and i took philosophy of law in university and i have thought long and hard

00:06:31about things like i don't know justice philosophy morality and so on so i will say this

00:06:39you cannot have a law that requires time travel and mind reading you cannot have a repeat after me

00:06:45you cannot have a law that requires time travel and mind reading i'm going to take you on a journey

00:06:50back to lindsey clancy in 2023 and in the time in between her talking to her husband and sending him

00:06:58off in a perfectly sane and rational way when she's strangling kids strangling kid takes a call from her

00:07:03husband hi honey strangles another kid we're going to go back into the fragmented little amount of time

00:07:09we're going to go back to that fragmented little amount of time and what we're going to do is we

00:07:15are

00:07:15going to read her mind and find out if she was sane or not in that fragmented little smidge o

00:07:25time

00:07:27was she crazy in a 10 minute interspersed by not crazy then crazy again we are going to read her

00:07:37mind

00:07:38from a couple of years ago when she was the only witness and so on right this is not

00:07:47oh i hate to use a big free fair word it is not epistemologically possible

00:07:54to come to

00:07:59proof beyond a reasonable doubt about the state of mind of somebody who's alone a couple of years ago

00:08:09empirically

00:08:12empirically

00:08:13epistemologically

00:08:15completely impossible to come to proof beyond a reasonable doubt

00:08:20about somebody's state of mind

00:08:24from a couple of years ago

00:08:25when they were alone and when sane things were happening all around.

00:08:32You know, if you've ever talked to anyone who works in a psych ward,

00:08:38and let's just say that I have,

00:08:42when people are crazy, there's a little florid psychosis.

00:08:45Like, they can't function.

00:08:46They believe that Napoleon with a blow dart is chasing them down the hallway

00:08:51and they have to get naked and rub their face against glass in order to save themselves.

00:08:56Like, they're nuts.

00:08:57And they can't not be nuts for a little while and then be nuts again.

00:09:05So, proof beyond a reasonable doubt

00:09:13that she was unable to process right from wrong.

00:09:17And, you know, here's the thing too.

00:09:19So, there's lots of people in the world I consider nuts.

00:09:23And it's absolutely prejudice.

00:09:27It's absolutely prejudice on my part.

00:09:30Maybe you're the same way too.

00:09:31Like, let's take Bear Grylls.

00:09:33Bear Grylls, right?

00:09:35So, this guy is kind of nuts.

00:09:37He goes and, you know, roams around the wilderness with camera crews

00:09:41and eats strange things and, you know, is extremely uncomfortable

00:09:45for, you know, he's a thrill seeker and, like, that's nuts to me.

00:09:51Obviously, he's fine.

00:09:52I'm not saying he's crazy.

00:09:54It's just nuts to me.

00:09:56You know, there are people who study mime for a decade.

00:10:03I think that's crazy.

00:10:06Hey, come on, mime is money.

00:10:08But they study.

00:10:09There are people who take liberal arts degrees with no plan.

00:10:14But it tends to work out later because it turns out they're podcasting.

00:10:18So, there are lots of people out there in the world.

00:10:20Like, I was trying to have lunch with my daughter the other day.

00:10:22We were at an outdoor restaurant in a town, apparently 666 feet from hell itself,

00:10:29where every jag-off with a motorbike thought that it was going to be great fun

00:10:33to rev his engine as they drove down the main strip.

00:10:37And I'm not a big fan of the death penalty, but for people who drink and drive

00:10:41and for people who rev their motorcycles when people are trying to have lunch,

00:10:45I don't even think there needs to be a trial.

00:10:48So, I don't understand people like that.

00:10:50I don't understand people who have loud conversations on public transit with cell phone.

00:10:56I don't understand people who think that their salsa music is something

00:10:59that the entire beach in five-mile directions needs to hear

00:11:03because they come with two Bluetooth speakers so big

00:11:09that if it was September 11, 2001, there'd be planes flying into them.

00:11:12I don't understand that.

00:11:14I don't understand it.

00:11:17I don't understand cave divers.

00:11:20Let's take two sports that are both high fatality, mix them together,

00:11:24and then put it in a low-oxygen emergency environment.

00:11:28If you have to take off your scuba gear in order to climb through some

00:11:31I'm having a revisiting of giving birth from an 18-year-old Thai gymnast,

00:11:38then you might not be doing something particularly sane.

00:11:41I get that there are high-thrill-seeking people.

00:11:43I really get that.

00:11:43I was that way when I was younger.

00:11:45I did free climbing, and I crossed railway bridges with my friends on dares

00:11:50in the middle of the night, you know, 300 feet across and 200 feet in the air.

00:11:55Lunatic.

00:11:55I look back at my younger self.

00:11:57I say, that was crazy.

00:11:58Completely insane.

00:12:02So, there are women who meet men at bars and go home with them

00:12:07looking for Mr. Good bar style.

00:12:08I think that's crazy.

00:12:12I think that's crazy.

00:12:14So, there are lots of people out there.

00:12:16I think they're kind of crazy, but they're not, right?

00:12:20It's just changing tastes or my prejudice or whatever it is.

00:12:23They're not crazy.

00:12:23It's just, it's a life kind of so foreign to me that I just,

00:12:27like, there are people out there who don't even want kids.

00:12:30I think that's kind of crazy, but, you know, it's not that they're crazy.

00:12:33So, the reason I'm saying all of this is, of course, by definition,

00:12:36a woman who murders all three of her children while pausing to take a phone call or take phone calls

00:12:44is crazy.

00:12:45Like, no sane and healthy person goes against their protective instincts to that degree

00:12:50and kills her children.

00:12:52Maybe she's just a psychopath and she just found out she didn't like the children

00:12:56and wanted to get them out of her life, but was too vainglorious to put them up for adoption or

00:13:00leave.

00:13:01I don't know.

00:13:03So, if you have a situation where the jury, who are composed, I assume, of regular normal people

00:13:10who aren't, you know, getting a workout with exercise bands in their children's tracheas,

00:13:15I assume that they're, you know, relatively normal people.

00:13:19So, a woman who kills her own children must be crazy.

00:13:22I mean, it's insane.

00:13:24It's insane.

00:13:26So, by definition, a woman who kills her own children must be seriously mentally defective.

00:13:33I mean, evolutionarily speaking, of course, it's not the most Darwin-friendly approach to child raising.

00:13:41So, if you have to prove beyond the shadow of a doubt that she wasn't crazy

00:13:47in the few minutes it took to kill each of her children interrupted by sane responses to her husband's calls,

00:13:56I view that as a relatively impossible task, which is why I said that if they follow the law,

00:14:01in my humble amateur opinion, if they follow the law in Massachusetts,

00:14:05they will find her not guilty by reason of insanity because the burden of proof is far too high.

00:14:11You cannot prove beyond a reasonable doubt that somebody doing something that you would consider insane is not insane.

00:14:19So, you end up relying on experts and, see, experts are finely tuned for the most part,

00:14:28especially in the field of psychiatry, they're mostly finely tuned bullshit artists

00:14:33because there's no objective test for crazy.

00:14:38Unless you have some big giant brain tumor.

00:14:41There's no objective test for crazy.

00:14:44I feel crazy.

00:14:46Somebody says.

00:14:48Are they crazy or are they not?

00:14:52There's no test.

00:14:53There's no brain scan.

00:14:54I have postpartum depression.

00:14:57No hormonal test, no blood test, no nothing.

00:15:00It is a subjective report.

00:15:03It is a subjective report.

00:15:06It is a subjective report.

00:15:08And so, you have someone saying, I feel crazy.

00:15:17I mean, even if they heard voices and maybe you could scan, is the voice talking?

00:15:22Maybe you could see the audio part of their brain light up.

00:15:25I don't know.

00:15:26I mean, I assume these things have been tried.

00:15:28Brain scans and fMRIs are pretty sophisticated these days.

00:15:30I assume that all of these things have been tried and somebody says, I'm hearing voices and nobody can know

00:15:37whether that's true or not.

00:15:39It is a subjective report.

00:15:40It's like having a physics of what I dreamed last night.

00:15:44I dreamed last night of a giraffe that could shoot lasers from its nipples.

00:15:55Is that true?

00:15:58I'll leave you to guess what my fetishes are.

00:16:01But, no, no, you see, you'd have a bunch of experts saying, well, it's, yes, yes, I think he did.

00:16:06You'd have a bunch of, no, I don't think he did.

00:16:12I mean, some things, I assume, you can have biological markers of people who are crazy or, like, you know,

00:16:20again, the brain tumor or some sort of brain damage, you know, like the NFL players who played castanets with

00:16:26their neofrontal cortex for 20 years.

00:16:28Okay, so you can see something.

00:16:29Maybe that's an autopsy thing.

00:16:31Or if somebody has been dosed, somebody's been drugged with LSD and they say, my God, I'm hallucinating.

00:16:38I'm hallucinating.

00:16:40I had a vision of the most manly and perfect physical and intellectual male human specimen.

00:16:47I was hallucinating.

00:16:48And the doctors, of course, would say, were you watching Estefan Molyneux live stream?

00:16:52And they say, well, no.

00:16:53And they say, well, then it's not possible.

00:16:55It's not possible.

00:16:58I'll leave my shirt on for now.

00:16:59For now.

00:17:00For now.

00:17:06So the experts say, yes, I think that her subjective experience of saying she was crazy is true.

00:17:13I think her subjective experience of saying crazy, for which there's no objective test, I think it's false.

00:17:19So one expert says, yes, she was crazy.

00:17:21The other expert says, she was not crazy.

00:17:24What do you do?

00:17:25That does not lead to proof beyond a reasonable doubt.

00:17:28I mean, that wouldn't even technically, I think, lead to a preponderance of evidence, which tends to be the standard

00:17:33in civil cases, which are about money, not prison.

00:17:37In a civil case, it's the preponderance of evidence on the balance, more likely than not, you know, like 55%.

00:17:43You could, I guess you could razor thin it to 51% to 49%.

00:17:47But proof beyond a reasonable doubt is like 95% certainty.

00:17:50So you've got experts on one side saying she's sane, got experts on the other side saying she's crazy.

00:17:55Can you get to 95% certainty in cancel each other out, warring spy versus spy expert testimony nonsense?

00:18:02No.

00:18:03No.

00:18:06You cannot, you cannot petition the Lord with prayer.

00:18:09Now, so the jurors in affirming that the prosecution had not proved beyond the shadow of a doubt that Lindsay

00:18:28was sane to the point where she understood right from wrong, she was criminally responsible and so on.

00:18:33I mean, to me, the standard is, did you hide it?

00:18:37Did you send people away?

00:18:39Was there any evidence that you planned it and so on?

00:18:41And there does seem to be some evidence that there was planning.

00:18:43She certainly seems to have sent her husband away.

00:18:45And she certainly did cover up how crazy she was feeling because she had a morning of Lindsay Clancy, you

00:18:51know, took her kid to the doctor and fixed breakfast and then played and made snowmen and then fixed lunch.

00:18:56And then said, oh, if you can go and pick me up these things, let's get some food.

00:19:00And right.

00:19:01And so she did all of that stuff kind of normally, which is to get her husband out of the

00:19:05picture.

00:19:06Right.

00:19:08I don't know that women hear voices to off their kids when they're at police stations or hospitals or fire

00:19:15stations or out in public where it's always, let's get people out.

00:19:19Let's get people.

00:19:20Let me alone with the children.

00:19:21Right.

00:19:22Let me alone with the children.

00:19:23It's so that to me is kind of a planning thing.

00:19:29And crazy people can't fake sanity.

00:19:33Crazy people can't fake sanity any more than people in the midst of a stroke can do ballet or people

00:19:42who are in the midst of an epileptic seizure.

00:19:46Can do Rubik's Cube and thread a frickin needle.

00:19:49It's not how it works in my humble amateur opinion.

00:19:54So then it comes down to there's a lone holdout of the male juror with a truly magnificent beard.

00:20:02The male juror said, no, no, I'm not.

00:20:05I'm not going with that.

00:20:07She's not criminally responsible by reason of insanity.

00:20:10I mean, insanity is sort of an amateur phrase.

00:20:12We get all of that.

00:20:13Right.

00:20:13But that's that's the deal.

00:20:16Not responsible.

00:20:17And he couldn't get there.

00:20:18He couldn't get to.

00:20:20She's not responsible.

00:20:23And of course, the defense is like, well, he's not understanding what is meant by proof beyond a reasonable doubt.

00:20:29And everyone else does understand it.

00:20:31So I don't know.

00:20:33Maybe we'll find out at some point.

00:20:35But I don't know whether this guy.

00:20:36I looked at all of the evidence, kind of ignored the experts to some degree, because, again, you can you

00:20:47can get experts to testify about just about anything.

00:20:50They are guns for hire.

00:20:54And the psychiatrist who interviewed Lindsay Clancy after the killings found her perfectly lucid.

00:21:00She'd never been diagnosed, to my knowledge, with psychosis or even postpartum depression or anything like that.

00:21:06You know, the number of pills that she had been prescribed to her, the numbers don't seem to add up

00:21:12to she was taking them consistently.

00:21:15Recently, one of her psychiatrists reported that Lindsay Clancy had been drinking one to two drinks daily about five days

00:21:27a week.

00:21:28Now, I don't know if you've ever dealt with alcoholics or addicts as a whole, but they lie a lot,

00:21:33of course, and they misrepresent and they tend to minimize.

00:21:36Right. So if Lindsay Clancy was mixing psychotropics with alcohol, well, that's not good.

00:21:44That's not good. So was she responsible?

00:21:48I mean, the law, the legal standard is one thing.

00:21:51Right. The legal standard is one thing.

00:21:53The moral standard is another.

00:21:55What is it? There's a great line from a pretty bad movie, A Dry White Season, where Marlon Brando was

00:22:00saying, you know, law and justice have often been fairly distant.

00:22:05I'm afraid in this country, they're not even on speaking terms.

00:22:13So maybe the juror just said, I really don't care what the experts say.

00:22:17I'm looking at the facts.

00:22:19If she didn't know right from wrong, why did she send her husband away?

00:22:24And why did she do, if you've seen the photo of her, you know, self-harm, self-injury, it's not

00:22:32particularly credible.

00:22:33She's got these little story strips on.

00:22:35And, of course, she was a nurse.

00:22:36She sure as hell knew how to kill her children by strangling them with the exercise cords for minutes and

00:22:42minutes at a time until the point, well, I guess she didn't quite finish off the baby.

00:22:46But he died a day or two later after being declared basically brain dead.

00:22:51So she sure knows how to kill people.

00:22:54And she was a nurse, so she knows where the carotid is.

00:22:57She knows where the wrist veins are and so on, right?

00:23:00Like if you're a nurse, right, you talk all about the veins in the arms because you've got to put

00:23:05lines in.

00:23:07You've got to take blood out.

00:23:09You know where all the veins are.

00:23:11Now, you certainly know where the dangerous veins are, so you don't jab them with a needle when you're trying

00:23:15to get some blood.

00:23:16So as a nurse, she knew exactly the configuration of the arm and where all the dangerous arteries were.

00:23:22She would know everything about the neck and where the dangerous arteries there are there as well.

00:23:26Well, so the idea that she really did try to self-delete after the murders, to me, is not credible.

00:23:40She's basically got a scratch.

00:23:42She got a scratch.

00:23:43And then she, I don't know, did she hang drop or just jump from the second story window, which 1

00:23:49% of people die from that.

00:23:51And she obviously led badly.

00:23:53Badly, so it's as credible a story to say she decided a long time before, went doctor shopping, didn't really

00:24:01take the pills, drank, sent her husband away, and then, you know, planned the defense that almost worked for her.

00:24:11All right.

00:24:17Judge Sullivan replies, over the defendant's objection, I'm going to declare a mistrial at this point.

00:24:22A mistrial is that they can't come to a resolution.

00:24:26It does not fall under double jeopardy.

00:24:28Double jeopardy is when you have been tried and a resolution to the trial has occurred.

00:24:33Let's say you've been found not guilty.

00:24:35Then you can't be tried again, right?

00:24:36Because, of course, we don't want the government to have any power at all.

00:24:39But we certainly don't want it to have the power to continually try people until it happens to get a

00:24:43guilty verdict.

00:24:45So a mistrial is you cannot come to a resolution.

00:24:48It doesn't fall under double jeopardy.

00:24:49So the state can choose to, I mean, they can choose a number of things.

00:24:55They can drop the charges, seems very unlikely.

00:24:57They can change the charges, which I think requires another grand jury.

00:25:02Or they can offer a plea or something like that.

00:25:12So late in the morning, there was a one-hour stay.

00:25:14Before, the jurors were brought in.

00:25:16Reddington asks for time to file a single justice emergency appeal to the Massachusetts Supreme Judicial Court.

00:25:22He calls the looming mistrial a travesty.

00:25:25Judge Sullivan grants one-hour court recesses around 11.30 a.m.

00:25:29Jurors remain sequestered.

00:25:30By around 1 p.m., there is no ruling.

00:25:33So early afternoon, SJC hearing.

00:25:37Defense files at the edge of the deadline around 1.30 p.m.

00:25:41Associate Justice Dalila Adegayes went and holds a public emergency hearing.

00:25:50Prosecutor Jennifer Sprague walks through deliberation.

00:25:59Notes, Reddington and Clancy attend.

00:26:01The request is stay the mistrial and force further inquiry into the holdout juror.

00:26:04The SJC denies the petition no stay.

00:26:072.15 p.m., prosecution returns to the Plymouth courtroom.

00:26:112.20 p.m., Sullivan announces the emergency motion is denied.

00:26:14Reddington makes a last pitch to the judge that the judge can still dismiss the apparent holdout.

00:26:19Sullivan refuses to do so.

00:26:20Now, again, that is kind of putting your pinky on the scale, right?

00:26:25To say, oh, is there a juror who is a holdout against the unanimity required in this kind of case?

00:26:32Well, we'll just get rid of that guy.

00:26:34And it's like, that's really not the point.

00:26:36The point of unanimity is that everyone comes to the same conclusion and can agree on that.

00:26:41And if you simply remove people who disagree, well, then you're doing COVID vaccine trials and global warming and so

00:26:49on, right?

00:26:522.22 to 2.23, the jury is brought in.

00:26:55Right before 2.30 p.m., Sullivan formally declares a mistrial.

00:26:58Thanks to the panel.

00:26:58You all did everything you could.

00:27:00He paraphrases Churchill's brace for our duties and dismisses them.

00:27:05Clancy remains held without bail.

00:27:09The next hearing is scheduled for September the 29th, 2026, for a status trial assignment and Reddington's Rule 25 motion

00:27:16for a required finding of not guilty.

00:27:19Rule 25 is a motion that says the evidence is legally insufficient for a rational jury to convict.

00:27:23In this case, Reddington is renewing his motion after the jury is dismissed.

00:27:27If the judge allows the motion, he would issue a finding of not guilty.

00:27:31This is not an acquittal by the jury.

00:27:33Seems unlikely, but it's pretty, pretty standard.

00:27:35By the way, don't forget to come to Nashville September the 12th, 2026.

00:27:38Thanks to see me in a great debate.

00:27:42Worldwardebate.com.

00:27:43After court, 2.50 to 3.10 p.m., District Attorney Timothy Cruz tells reporters no retry decision today.

00:27:50He will meet with his team.

00:27:51He frames the case as three homicides committed while Clancy was in control of her actions.

00:27:56He declines to treat the 11-1 rumor as a known split.

00:27:59We don't know what they believed.

00:28:013.20 to 4.15 p.m., Reddington's press appearance.

00:28:05He says the jury was robbed by one man and claims he crushed the government's case in defense of Lindsay,

00:28:10says Clancy and her parents are not good, and that she will be ready if the case is reset for

00:28:15the fall.

00:28:16He says he will file the Rule 25 motion within days.

00:28:18He also praises Judge Sullivan as, quote, wonderful.

00:28:22Patrick Clancy's lawyer, David Meyer, later put out a statement offering gratitude to the court and jury,

00:28:27says that another trial would be extraordinarily painful.

00:28:31Yeah, Patrick Clancy, you know, you can't really judge people by their reactions to stress.

00:28:36Everyone has a sort of different way of reacting to it, but bro does seem a little zen.

00:28:40A little zen.

00:28:42Outside support is a media lingo, with some supporters describing the result as another failure of the system.

00:28:51So, psychiatric medication question, right?

00:28:54I mean, the degree to which these psychiatric meds may have contributed to her homicidal thirst.

00:29:01First, it's a big old question, man.

00:29:05It's a big old question.

00:29:06Women, in general, are twice as likely to be on things like antidepressants as men,

00:29:12and the biggest predictors for women to be on antidepressants are being single and being childless.

00:29:18Yes, funny thing, if you do not fulfill everything that 4 billion years of evolution has primed you to do,

00:29:24you may feel a little askew.

00:29:26You may feel a little hinky.

00:29:28It's not too shocking.

00:29:31So, Patrick Clancy called 911 at 6.11 p.m. on January 24th.

00:29:37Lindsay was taken to the ER at South Shore Hospital, where her blood was drawn roughly within the hour.

00:29:41The samples sat at the hospital until the police collected them on January 31st.

00:29:45The blood tests from the Massachusetts State Police Crime Lab showed

00:29:49diazepam at 8.8 nanograms per milliliter, oxazepam at 4.8,

00:29:55temtepam at 1.9,

00:29:57lorazepam at 6.1 micrograms per milliliter,

00:30:01metrizepine, lamotrigine, quietepine, and trazodone at indeterminate levels.

00:30:08That sample went to the NMS labs in Pennsylvania, where Justin Brower found lamotrigine at 6.1 micrograms per milliliter,

00:30:20mirtzapine at 200 nanograms, quietepine at 1.800 nanograms, trazodone at 0.44 micrograms.

00:30:28Brower's opinion, it was all therapeutic or sub-therapeutic.

00:30:31He stated that suicide overdoses typically hit around 10,000 nanograms for quietepine,

00:30:36and usually people take handfuls of pills when they're trying to harm themselves,

00:30:39and this is not consistent with that.

00:30:42What about residue question?

00:30:44Patrick testified that the nightstand drawer had empty bottles of quietepine, lamotrigine, and mirtzapine,

00:30:52prescribed January 5th and December 21st.

00:30:55He also testified that Lindsay had ground them up and mixed them with lemonade in a wine tumbler.

00:30:59He described the cup as what she shot down the crushed pills with.

00:31:04Satov, the prosecutor's psychiatrist, learned about the crushing from Patrick.

00:31:08On cross, Reddington asked, Satov, if there was a pill crusher in the bedroom, no.

00:31:13If there was powder residue anywhere else in the room or on the nightstand, no.

00:31:18Asked whether the white residue in the wine tumbler was lab-tested, also no.

00:31:22So it is, I mean, she was not on any kind of excessive doses, it appears, of these psychotropics.

00:31:27And of course, she wasn't taking all 13 at once.

00:31:29They try, they mix it up.

00:31:31It's a voodoo, mystic, witchy art, if anything, certainly not a science.

00:31:36I'll tell you these, oh, they're not working.

00:31:38Try these, oh, try these, oh, try these to counteract the effects of these.

00:31:41Oh, try these to counteract the counteract of these.

00:31:43And it's a whirlpool.

00:31:46So what comes next?

00:31:47The DA has a decision to make to try Lindsay Clancy again.

00:31:49They can proceed with the same charges, reduce from murder one to murder two,

00:31:52issue new charges, dismiss or offer a plea deal.

00:32:02So, what has the media been saying?

00:32:04In the mainstream, New York Times, Saturday afternoon, ran a profile of Plymouth's DA.

00:32:09Timothy Cruz is a long-serving, hard-nosed prosecutor.

00:32:12People who know him say they would be surprised if he walks away from first-degree murder.

00:32:16The piece treats the apparent 11-1 split as a reason most DAs would hesitate.

00:32:24And they list retrying and downgrade and drop as the likely choices.

00:32:30An opinion piece saying that Cruz already lost the first-degree theory and should not...

00:32:34Oh, so the Globe ran an opinion piece saying Cruz already lost the first-degree theory

00:32:38and should not put another jury through it.

00:32:41A separate editorial says if he retries at all, he's dropped a second-degree so a judge can decide.

00:32:51I mean, to me, you send your husband away and pretend to be sane.

00:32:55I mean, that's all I need.

00:32:56Again, I'm not a lawyer, but from a moral standpoint,

00:33:01if you send someone away and you lure the kids down one by one, right,

00:33:08and you hide the crime and you pretend to be sane when your husband calls,

00:33:12I mean, that's premeditation.

00:33:15And the fact, as I sort of said before,

00:33:18people who become really violent because they're crazy just grab whatever is handy, you know.

00:33:22Could grab the coffee cup and throw it at someone.

00:33:24They just grab whatever is handy.

00:33:25They don't premeditatedly...

00:33:27I mean, sorry, that's begging the question.

00:33:29They don't plan to lure the kids down one by one,

00:33:31making sure that the baby is lost because the baby can't run.

00:33:36I mean, that is a step-by-step situation.

00:33:39And you can't explain evil.

00:33:41That's the whole point.

00:33:42If you could explain it, it wouldn't be evil.

00:33:43Like, if she had a brain tumor,

00:33:48then we would say, gosh, that's a real shame that the brain tumor ate up her brain and,

00:33:52you know, whatever, right?

00:33:53So, it is.

00:33:55I don't understand it.

00:33:56Sure, that's the point of evil.

00:34:02So, social media response.

00:34:05The holdout juror.

00:34:06For those who sided with the prosecution, the one juror is the hero.

00:34:14Raise your hand if you support the holdout.

00:34:16The juror was the only adult in the room because, of course,

00:34:21I mean, if Lindsay Clancy was found not guilty by reason of insanity,

00:34:27then she would go to a psychiatric facility.

00:34:29She would be evaluated.

00:34:33And then at some point they might say, oh, yeah, she's fine now.

00:34:38Based on what?

00:34:42Based on what objective facts?

00:34:48I mean, the analogy to me, this may sound harsh,

00:34:53but we must love the truth more than we love politeness.

00:34:58If there's a guy named Bob and Bob says, I have a brain tumor.

00:35:05And they say, wow, we should scan for it.

00:35:07Well, we can't see it.

00:35:08No, no, no.

00:35:09But I have a brain tumor.

00:35:10And my brain tumor is real.

00:35:16But there's no scan for it.

00:35:18No blood test, no brain scan, no nothing.

00:35:20You can't biopsy anything.

00:35:21You can't see anything.

00:35:23But the tumor is real.

00:35:27Okay.

00:35:29So then they say, okay, so the tumor we can't find any physical evidence for is real

00:35:37because Bob says that the brain tumor made him commit a crime.

00:35:40We can't find the brain tumor.

00:35:43But okay, the brain tumor we can't find that Bob says is there is real.

00:35:50And so we'll blame the tumor and we'll put Bob in a mental health facility.

00:36:01So then how do you know if and when Bob is cured of a brain tumor that doesn't show up

00:36:10on any scans, that you can't biopsy, that you can't find, there's no blood test, there's

00:36:16nothing.

00:36:17How do you know when he's cured?

00:36:25Is it because Bob says, oh, you know what?

00:36:29Yeah, that's right.

00:36:30You know, there never was a brain tumor.

00:36:32Well, if Bob says there never was a brain tumor, then maybe legally he's opened back

00:36:37up to something because, you know, maybe he purged.

00:36:40Oh, I used to believe that I had this brain tumor that made me do stuff that never showed

00:36:43up at a scan or blood test.

00:36:44But now I don't believe that anymore.

00:36:46I'm cured of my belief in the brain tumor that there was no way to know existed.

00:37:00So the brain tumor that no one can detect is real enough to get him off moral responsibility

00:37:09for the crime.

00:37:10But then when he goes to a facility, you know, how do you know?

00:37:16Now, here's the thing.

00:37:19You can't say, and the people at the mental facility, the asylum, the people who are treating

00:37:25Bob can't say there never was a brain tumor.

00:37:28Imaginary brain tumors aren't real because everyone believes in all of this stuff.

00:37:32I won't get into the labels.

00:37:33You all know about it.

00:37:34Everybody believes in all of this stuff for which there's zero objective tests that people

00:37:38just claim subjectively and other experts say, oh, yes, absolutely.

00:37:43Brain tumor we can't find is real tumor.

00:37:49So they can't say there never was a brain tumor.

00:37:52So what are they supposed to say?

00:37:54What are they supposed to?

00:37:55What are they supposed to say?

00:37:56Because normally, if someone has a delusion and you go to a mental health care facility,

00:38:01they're supposed to cure you of that delusion.

00:38:04Bob, you never had a brain tumor.

00:38:06You need to give up that disordered thinking.

00:38:08They can't say that because half of psychiatry is based upon brain tumors that no one can find,

00:38:17chemical imbalances that no one can find and no one can test for.

00:38:20Nothing shows up anywhere except maybe in three tiny graves.

00:38:26So what are you supposed to be curing her of?

00:38:29Oh, Bob.

00:38:34I mean, if it was postpartum hormones, and people say hormones like that shows up on any kind of test,

00:38:40if people say, oh, it's postpartum hormones, well, then she's cured by definition if she doesn't have more kids.

00:38:46Say, I don't have more kids.

00:38:47You'll be fine, kid.

00:38:51So what are they curing her of?

00:38:54If she's found not guilty by reason of mental defect, what are they curing her of?

00:39:02They can't say that what you believed was not true because it felt true because she had a mental defect

00:39:10called postpartum or psych,

00:39:11whatever it is, right?

00:39:13Okay.

00:39:18I mean, and it's also frustratingly circular for anybody with any sort of domino cause and effect in the study

00:39:24of knowledge.

00:39:26She was psychotic.

00:39:28How do we know?

00:39:30Well, she did things that were psychotic.

00:39:35He has a brain tumor.

00:39:37How do we know?

00:39:37We scanned and found it, took a biopsy.

00:39:39It's a real thing.

00:39:40We can see it on the scan.

00:39:41We tested it.

00:39:43We examined the cells.

00:39:45And they were cancerous.

00:39:47There you go.

00:39:48We're going to cure him with whatever, right?

00:39:54Something better than Neil Pert and Gord Downey.

00:39:59She had a self-reported symptom for which there's no test which we totally believe in.

00:40:05And we're going to cure her of what?

00:40:13For those who side about the defense, that juror is the problem.

00:40:19They cite the defense Reddington's robbed by one man line, or he wouldn't follow reasonable doubt.

00:40:25The juror had a bias against mental illness.

00:40:31A third smaller group focuses on not hunting the juror.

00:40:35They note that Reddington's remark about one man leads to people dodging jury duty.

00:40:51So the people who are for conviction want murder one again and treat crews hesitating as weakness.

00:40:58People pro-defense say 11-1 means he cannot win and should fold.

00:41:03Lawyer accounts say mistrial is a process win for the defense, not the moral vindication the rallies wanted.

00:41:08And the cleaner second trial could go either way.

00:41:13Well, of course, it's all going to depend on how this juror is treated, right?

00:41:19If he's hunted, then a second trial is going to be very hard, right?

00:41:24The Musgrove Family Fund, right?

00:41:28This is the parents, right?

00:41:29The Musgrove Family Fund is past $1.1 million, with the goal has been raised to $3 million,

00:41:35framed as travel and lodging for Lindsay's parents.

00:41:38Critics treat it as a prize for filicide-adjacent sympathy.

00:41:48So, legal procedure information.

00:41:50As I said before, a hung jury is not an acquittal.

00:41:52Lindsay Clancy would not be subject to double jeopardy if she is tried again before a new jury.

00:41:57Lindsay Clancy was indicted on three murder one charges.

00:42:00These indictments include the lesser charges of murder two and manslaughter.

00:42:03The jury was instructed that they could convict a lesser charge.

00:42:07The defense claims the jury deadlocked on criminal responsibility versus guilt.

00:42:13The original charges included strangulation and assault and battery with a dangerous weapon.

00:42:18If the DA revives any of those, a new grand jury will be required.

00:42:23In Massachusetts, a person can only be convicted by a guilty plea or admission in open court,

00:42:28a jury verdict accepted by the court, in any capital case other than a capital case, a bench verdict by

00:42:34the judge.

00:42:36Murder one in Massachusetts is considered a capital case, and juries cannot be waived in such a case.

00:42:40So, of course, if they drop it down to murder two, they could opt for a bench verdict,

00:42:46which is a non-jury verdict by the judge.

00:42:48If the DA prosecutes on murder two, the possibility that a jury trial may be waived,

00:42:52but this is something the judge and the defense must agree to.

00:42:55Sentences, of course, murder one, life without parole.

00:42:58Murder two, life eligible for parole after 15 to 25 years.

00:43:02Manslaughter, maximum 20 years in state prison, or 2.5 years in a house of correction.

00:43:15So, a couple of more notes, and then I will dip over to your question, your question.

00:43:33So, there are a lot of women out there who seem to point out,

00:43:37as important, that men annihilate their families a lot, more often than women.

00:43:48True.

00:43:48I mean, nobody is turning on modern femininity because of Lindsay Clancy.

00:43:53Clearly, she's a crazy outlier.

00:43:55Sorry.

00:43:56Clearly, she's an extreme outlier.

00:43:58So, nobody is saying that there's something wrong with modern women because of Lindsay Clancy.

00:44:03No, that's not it.

00:44:05What people are saying is that there's something wrong with modern women because so many of them are defending and

00:44:11supporting Lindsay Clancy.

00:44:15And this is called the Lindsay Clancy question, right?

00:44:17You ask your girlfriend, your fiancé, what do you think of Lindsay Clancy?

00:44:23And if she says, I think the husband did it, I don't think she's responsible, the system failed her, she

00:44:31didn't have any support, and so on.

00:44:32Hey, that's fine.

00:44:33We can all be misinformed.

00:44:36So, that to me is not a deal breaker.

00:44:39So, let's say that you talk to your girlfriend, and she says, I think the husband did it, right?

00:44:44And you say, oh, what's the evidence?

00:44:46She comes up with stuff.

00:44:46Say, well, you know, he's actually on camera, like, miles and miles away at the CVS, at the restaurant.

00:44:52Like, he's on camera, phone, GPS, you know, she sent him away.

00:44:57Their phone records, like, they know.

00:44:59Like, he was not there.

00:45:00And she confessed.

00:45:02And the defense, her defense said, yes, she did it.

00:45:05The question is not about whether she did it, but whether she was criminally responsible.

00:45:10So, you know, you lay out that evidence.

00:45:13Because, look, we can all, all of us can be misinformed.

00:45:16All of us can make mistakes.

00:45:19All of us can, you know, my daughter, because my daughter is more aware of AI than I am.

00:45:24So, when I point something out, she's like, that's AI.

00:45:26I'm like, no.

00:45:28Oh, yeah, no, you're right.

00:45:29So, you know, we can all be fooled, and there's a huge industry out there of people who want to

00:45:33fool us.

00:45:36So, the fact that you have a girlfriend or a mother or a wife or fiance or whatever who has

00:45:42been misinformed,

00:45:43no problem, no problem, no foul, no issue, no challenge, right?

00:45:47That's not the challenge.

00:45:49The challenge is when you lay out the facts, does that person change their mind?

00:45:55Now, I am deadly freaking serious about this, my friends.

00:46:01Absa freaking deadly, lootly serious about all of this.

00:46:06You cannot marry a man or a woman who cannot reason or does not respond to evidence.

00:46:14Do not do it.

00:46:16You are signing up for a lifetime of servitude, enslavement, frustration, anger, rage, betrayal,

00:46:25disintegration of your assets, alienation from your children.

00:46:29If you are dating someone who does not respond to reason and evidence,

00:46:35but doubles down or just says, well, that's how I feel,

00:46:37or gets offended that you bring reason and evidence to the table,

00:46:42you want to make that wily coyote human outline through the wall if you have to, to get away.

00:46:47Do not date or marry people who are so narcissistic that they put feelings above facts.

00:46:57I cannot stress this enough.

00:47:00I cannot tell you because I dodged that bullet like,

00:47:04took off almost part of my ear.

00:47:07Do not marry people who do not respond to reason and evidence,

00:47:12because the only way you'll ever win an argument is through escalation.

00:47:17And you don't want to be in a relationship where the only way you can win an argument

00:47:21is through escalation, because that leads to very, very bad places.

00:47:26I know this.

00:47:27I knew a guy many years ago who married a woman who did not respond to reason.

00:47:32Of course, I told him not to marry her.

00:47:34This is decades ago.

00:47:37And he ended up in jail.

00:47:41Do not, it's not, it's not a problem if the woman says,

00:47:44oh, I think the husband did it, whatever, you know.

00:47:48That's fine.

00:47:48But then when you lay out the facts, if, if, if, if she doesn't thank you,

00:47:54oh, you know what, I clearly went astray and so on.

00:47:58And I appreciate that.

00:47:59You know, you've got, you make a fantastic case.

00:48:01It's really kind of impossible to argue.

00:48:03I appreciate that.

00:48:04That's someone you want to lock down.

00:48:07Now, I mean, the first woman I met who listened to reason and evidence, I wifed her up in 11

00:48:12months after meeting.

00:48:14That's just, and it's been fantastic ever since.

00:48:17We barely have any conflicts and we've never raised her voices.

00:48:21We've never yelled.

00:48:22We've never called names.

00:48:23It's beautiful because we adjudicate with reason.

00:48:26We reason with each other.

00:48:28It's a beautiful thing.

00:48:30So the Lindsay Clancy test is important.

00:48:33And it's not whether she has wrong opinions or bad opinions or whatever.

00:48:36That's totally fine.

00:48:37It's how does she respond when corrected with facts.

00:48:40That is foundational to every successful and happy relationship you can have in this or any other lifetime.

00:48:46How does someone respond when you give them reason and evidence?

00:48:53If someone responds with offense or upset or tight lips or disapproval or doubling down, get out.

00:49:03But the happiness and possibly the survival of your life and freedom depends upon getting out.

00:49:11Get out and get away from people who don't listen to reason.

00:49:14Now, of course, we're talking about dating.

00:49:15Could be other situations.

00:49:17Could even be family situations.

00:49:19I will not have people in my life who do not listen to reason and evidence.

00:49:22I won't do it.

00:49:24I haven't done it for 25 years.

00:49:26And when I began applying that standard, everyone in my life fell away.

00:49:32And I am thrilled, overjoyed, happy, and delirious with positive experiences because of those foundational decisions.

00:49:43Do not have people in your life who don't listen to reason and evidence because it's a war of knowledge.

00:49:49It's a war of sanity.

00:49:51People who prefer their own narrative to facts.

00:49:55You can't love them.

00:49:56They can't love you.

00:49:57You can't even connect with them because all they're dealing with is their own delusions.

00:50:00Do not do it.

00:50:02And the Lindsay Clancy test also, there are people, women who say, well, I think that, I think it's crazy

00:50:08to support Lindsay Clancy.

00:50:10Then, of course, the next question is, okay, how many of your friends support Lindsay Clancy and what have you

00:50:14said to them?

00:50:16I know, I know.

00:50:18See, it pushes women to an uncomfortable place because a lot of women have been scarred, particularly as teenagers, because

00:50:24of being excluded by the mean girls for a lack of conformity.

00:50:32So, you just need to have a woman of staunch moral character.

00:50:40And I shouldn't need to say it.

00:50:42I'm going to say it.

00:50:43You need to have a woman of staunch moral character in order to survive life as a whole and particularly

00:50:50what's coming.

00:50:53So, it is not that men are judging women by Lindsay Clancy.

00:51:00They're judging women by women's support of Lindsay Clancy or at least not opposing those who support her.

00:51:27So, women are writing, men commit an estimated 91 to 95% of all family annihilated cases.

00:51:34Every five to seven days, a man kills his entire family, yet a single case where there's credible evidence of

00:51:38postpartum psychosis, systemic failure in providing care, and a sketchy-ass husband proves that women are evil.

00:51:45Right?

00:51:45So, this is just misinterpreting things.

00:51:47This is just misinterpreting things.

00:51:52If there's anyone in your life, male or female, and their first sympathy with a woman who murdered all three

00:52:00of her children is with the woman and not the children,

00:52:09crazy.

00:52:13I mean, this is absolutely essential.

00:52:17And, of course, you have to remember that this sort of woke worldview is associated with depression and anxiety.

00:52:22People will dangle in front of you.

00:52:24It's a very demonic bargain that people make and give.

00:52:27They will dangle in front of you that you're a victim.

00:52:32Ah, sweet, sweet victim.

00:52:35It's worse for your soul than sugar for your teeth.

00:52:39So, people will dangle in front of you, sweet, sweet victimhood.

00:52:42You can be a victim.

00:52:43You're a victim.

00:52:44You're hard done by.

00:52:45You are unsupported.

00:52:46And we all wish to retreat into that amniotic sack of zero responsibility and blame.

00:52:54It is a very, very powerful thing.

00:52:58Anybody who is trying to convince you as an adult that you're a victim is trying to destroy you.

00:53:03And if you believe them, you will be destroyed.

00:53:05It may take decades, but you will be destroyed.

00:53:08The doctor who treated Lindsay Clancy has testified there was never signs of psychosis.

00:53:12That seems quite important.

00:53:22Jen, the producer, wrote,

00:53:23These are not full endorsements.

00:53:25I haven't researched all of this.

00:53:27This is just interesting stuff to put into the mill.

00:53:29You do your own research.

00:53:31Lindsay Clancy was on 13 psychiatric medications.

00:53:33The medical system failed her.

00:53:35She was a victim of over-medication.

00:53:36That narrative, she says, has been repeated.

00:53:38So often the people now treat it as established fact.

00:53:40It isn't what the evidence showed.

00:53:43Lindsay was prescribed 13 different psychiatric medications over several months.

00:53:46That does not mean she was taking 13 medications simultaneously.

00:53:50The prosecution's evidence indicated roughly two to three at a time.

00:53:54And then, then there's the actual pill inventory presented at trial.

00:53:59Zoloft, 30 prescribed, 23 remained.

00:54:02Ativan, 30 prescribed, 24 remained.

00:54:08Buspirone, 30 prescribed, 28 remained.

00:54:12Hydroxyzine, 30 prescribed, 27 remained.

00:54:16Buspirone, refill, 30 prescribed, all 30 remained.

00:54:20Trazodone, 30 prescribed, 22 and a half remained.

00:54:24A pill missing from a bottle does not prove it was swallowed.

00:54:27But these bottles certainly do not support the image of a woman

00:54:30dutifully taking a massive cocktail of 13 psychiatric drugs at once.

00:54:34The trial evidence also showed repeated medication changes,

00:54:38medications stopped shortly after starting them,

00:54:40and prescribed regimens that were not consistently followed.

00:54:44And this matters even more.

00:54:47Prosecutors presented evidence that Lindsay disclosed thoughts of harming her children

00:54:51to Patrick and her mother, but not to the mental health professionals treating her.

00:54:57That's big.

00:54:59That's very big.

00:55:00That's very big.

00:55:02Multiple clinicians who actively evaluated her testified that they did not observe psychosis.

00:55:08Should we scrutinize her medical care?

00:55:10Absolutely.

00:55:11Fragmented psychiatric care deserves scrutiny.

00:55:13This is, again, the woman's post.

00:55:15But doctors cannot accurately evaluate whether a medication is working

00:55:18when it isn't being taken as prescribed,

00:55:20and they cannot properly assess dangerous symptoms they aren't being told about.

00:55:24There were victims in this case.

00:55:26Their names were Cora, Dawson, and Callan.

00:55:28Before repeating that Lindsay was on 13 medications and was failed by everyone around her,

00:55:33look at what was actually presented in court.

00:55:36Prescribed is not the same as taken.

00:55:3713 over months is not 13 at once, and a rumor on social media is not evidence.

00:55:41So if it's true that she did not tell her providers that she had thoughts of harm,

00:55:47harming her children, that would be interesting.

00:55:50So, again, it's just my amateur understanding, but most people, most providers who are licensed,

00:55:56particularly mental health care providers, have a duty to report.

00:55:59So if somebody is saying that they have serious thoughts of harming themselves or others,

00:56:02then they can be committed.

00:56:05So if she did not tell her providers about these thoughts of harming her children,

00:56:13then that, to me, would be important.

00:56:16Because one of the ways that this would indicate premeditation is if she told her husband and her mother,

00:56:28but not the person who was prescribing her the psych meds, or not her psychiatrist or psychologist,

00:56:34then that would be to establish that she was crazy,

00:56:37but without actually telling the people who might be able to treat her properly.

00:56:42So that would be, to me, evidence of premeditation.

00:56:52So, let me get to your questions in just a second.

00:56:56Thank you for your patience.

00:56:57I do find this very, very interesting.

00:57:00I wonder how strong women's commitment to the postpartum psychosis diagnosis is going to remain

00:57:06if women start losing custody of their children because of postpartum psychosis.

00:57:10So, if the general perception is, of course, that postpartum psychosis can have you appear totally sane,

00:57:19lose your mind for five minutes, be totally sane for a minute, lose your mind for another five minutes,

00:57:24be totally sane for 17 seconds, and then lose your mind for another five minutes

00:57:29to kill your children while taking calls from your husband,

00:57:31if somebody can appear totally normal,

00:57:35sorry, not totally normal, sorry.

00:57:37If somebody, I mean, she was normal to the point or she appeared normal to the point

00:57:41where Patrick Clancy was comfortable leaving her alone with the children

00:57:45and Lindsay Clancy's mother and father and Patrick Clancy's mother and father and blah blah providers,

00:57:52everybody was comfortable that she could handle being alone with the children.

00:57:57So, what I mean is she appeared normal enough.

00:57:59Sorry, not totally normal.

00:58:00Let me correct that.

00:58:01She appeared normal enough that she was completely competent

00:58:05to take care of her children according to the people around her.

00:58:08And the reason, I'm not saying that her parents or his parents were there that day,

00:58:12but what I am saying is that they did not get her institutionalized or, you know,

00:58:17I mean, if there's a woman in a family who has significant thoughts of harming her children

00:58:25and she's not institutionalized or the children aren't taken away

00:58:28or she's not taken away for the children in some manner,

00:58:33then, I mean, the grandparents would move in.

00:58:36They would say, well, I mean, I need to move in

00:58:38because somebody needs to be with her and the kids at all times

00:58:42until this is sorted out one way or the other.

00:58:48So, she appeared normal enough that people were comfortable leaving her alone with the children

00:58:53and Patrick said, she's better.

00:58:55And I would assume she's better because she had decided to listen to the voices

00:58:59and do all of this, right?

00:59:07Now, there was a survey.

00:59:08Do you think the healthcare system failed Lindsay Clancy?

00:59:11Not very scientific, of course, but over 70% of people said yes

00:59:17and 27.1% said no and 2.7% of people said she's innocent.

00:59:27I mean, I do have a particular opinion

00:59:29and I won't get into it in great detail now

00:59:31because I do want to get to these callers,

00:59:32oh, sorry, to these people who have questions.

00:59:36But I will say this.

00:59:38It is my strong belief that I could be completely wrong about.

00:59:43I'll be obviously completely clear about that.

00:59:45It is my strong belief that mental illness is to some degree just a matter of willpower.

00:59:52And I'm not talking about like if you're dosed

00:59:54or you've got some organic issue with your brain or something like that.

00:59:57But it is my strong belief that mental illness is to some degree just a matter of willpower.

01:00:03We've all had crazy thoughts.

01:00:05We've all had intrusive thoughts.

01:00:07Just say no.

01:00:09Just say no.

01:00:10Just say no to the voices.

01:00:11Just say no to the intrusive thoughts.

01:00:12Just ground yourself.

01:00:13Just go meditate.

01:00:14Go get psychological help.

01:00:16Go do cognitive behavioral therapy and so on.

01:00:20Just say no to crazy.

01:00:23And it's interesting, too, because my mother,

01:00:25she really had a sort of mental collapse

01:00:30when she turned 40, right?

01:00:32The wall, and she really began to realize that she was never going to have that red carpet,

01:00:37Grace Kelly Oscar party life, which she felt she deserved because of her looks and slenderness and so on.

01:00:43And so what happened was in my, obviously, admittedly, this is like almost 50 years ago,

01:00:50in my admittedly not photographic memory, my memory is that she became so depressed she went to bed and wouldn't

01:01:00get out of bed,

01:01:00and I'd just make her a cup of tea in the morning and a piece of toast,

01:01:03and I'd come home and I'd clear away the toast, make her another cup of tea at lunch,

01:01:05and, you know, try and talk to her in the evenings and so on.

01:01:11I was 11 or 12, maybe 12.

01:01:16And from there, which I think was that she was hoping her looks were going to save her

01:01:20from having to be a better human being, and it did for a while.

01:01:23I mean, she had lots of boyfriends.

01:01:25They came regularly through.

01:01:27She had guys who would fly her out.

01:01:29She had a guy who flew her out to Texas.

01:01:31She had a guy who flew her out, I think it was to Arizona or B.C.

01:01:35So she had guys who flew her out, and she was very pretty

01:01:37and certainly intelligent and charming in her own way.

01:01:41And so when she began to age out, she's like,

01:01:45oh, so basically no one's coming to rescue me, and my looks aren't going to save me,

01:01:49and she just wouldn't get out of bed.

01:01:51And after that, she ended up being institutionalized,

01:01:54where I assume that they jammed her to the gills with all of the psychotropics,

01:01:57which was like the final one-shot that took her down, I think.

01:02:04So it can start psychological and then become institutional.

01:02:07It can start psychological and then become pharmaceutical, so to speak.

01:02:16I don't have any particular proof of this,

01:02:18but she always said later on that her doctor told her,

01:02:24it's all in your head, baby, and she was like really vehement about this.

01:02:28And so my guess is that her doctor, poor unfortunate soul,

01:02:35her doctor ran all of these tests to try and figure out why she was tired or anxious

01:02:41or nervous or hysterical or something like that.

01:02:44He ran all these tests, and he couldn't find anything wrong.

01:02:48And then my guess is at some point, maybe he became impatient,

01:02:52hypochondriacs and doctors, particularly female hypochondriacs, which is most of them,

01:02:56and doctors have this bizarre, intense, semi-incestuous relationship.

01:03:01And at some point, the doctors get impatient.

01:03:05And maybe he said, look, there's nothing wrong with you.

01:03:08It's all in your head.

01:03:08And maybe he said that, and that was very blunt,

01:03:10and, you know, that was not the wise or right approach, but, you know,

01:03:13I'm not a doctor who's had to deal with a hypochondriac for a year or two.

01:03:19So I would imagine that he said, it's all in your head.

01:03:22This put a mantle of responsibility on her, which aroused, or, sorry,

01:03:27it's not the best word, activated her conscience.

01:03:29And then she felt very angry.

01:03:31And I imagine that she either threw something or attacked him,

01:03:34because she certainly did do that.

01:03:35And then I imagine he had her committed, and then she started the pharmaceutical route.

01:03:38Now, as far as I know, after she left the institution,

01:03:41she didn't take any more psychotropics,

01:03:43but I assume that she was on them when she was there.

01:03:45I don't know.

01:03:46I occasionally think about her medical records,

01:03:47but they were probably destroyed decades ago, so I'll never know.

01:03:53All right.

01:03:54All right.

01:03:59Let me see.

01:04:01Hey, Steph, I live pretty close to you.

01:04:03Is it okay to say hi to you if I see you in public with someone,

01:04:06or would you be annoyed?

01:04:07No.

01:04:08No.

01:04:09I mean, certainly before I was deplatformed,

01:04:11this used to happen every second or third time I went out somewhere,

01:04:16that people would say hi and appreciate philosophy and so on.

01:04:21It was always a pleasure.

01:04:22I remember going to the keg with my daughter once,

01:04:24and these two lovely Hispanic waiters demanded that I not pay for my own food

01:04:28and that they pay for my daughter's dinner and myself,

01:04:31which was very kind.

01:04:32All right.

01:04:34Boom, boom.

01:04:35Let's see here.

01:04:36I don't know why I can't get these.

01:04:37This text's a little bigger.

01:04:39Well, the eyes, they are aging.

01:04:42But it's good.

01:04:43It's good that they're aging.

01:04:44All right.

01:04:46And, look, female sacrifice.

01:04:48A female sacrifice of children is, like, not a new thing, right?

01:04:52It's in demonic rituals, satanic rituals.

01:04:55The Aztecs did it.

01:04:56It is very common.

01:04:59Thoughts on Gloria Steinem?

01:05:01No.

01:05:02Not a positive person in any way, shape, or form.

01:05:05If I remember rightly, she married a rich guy who funded her vanity MS magazine,

01:05:13and that was not great.

01:05:17So she's cheating women to be all independent,

01:05:19and she basically just got a sugar daddy,

01:05:21and she died alone, no kids, no husband, nothing, right?

01:05:24So, very sad.

01:05:30All right.

01:05:31What else have we got here?

01:05:32This case should have a big effect on divorce.

01:05:34You can make a good argument for the man to have custody of the kids.

01:05:38Spontaneous psychosis.

01:05:40Yeah, so, again, I'm no expert,

01:05:41but my understanding is that it doesn't really happen

01:05:43that a woman gets postpartum,

01:05:45is crazy, then sane, then crazy, then kills her kids,

01:05:48but then is sane for a minute,

01:05:49and then is completely sane afterwards,

01:05:51that the voices only show up once,

01:05:52commanding her to do something,

01:05:54and then they vanish forever afterwards.

01:05:57Again, I'm no expert,

01:05:59but I don't think that that's...

01:06:00I don't think that's the way it plays.

01:06:04I personally envy women a lot

01:06:06for how they stick together and oppose the outsiders.

01:06:10Steph, have a debate on your show

01:06:12with a pro-Lindsey feminist.

01:06:14Maybe, yeah.

01:06:15Maybe.

01:06:17Maybe.

01:06:22Yeah, I mean...

01:06:28Jeffrey Dahmer was diagnosed with an entire basket

01:06:31with borderline personality,

01:06:33schizoaffective disorder,

01:06:34so he was diagnosed with...

01:06:37And he, like, ate people

01:06:38and, like, was just completely, obviously,

01:06:41off the charts as far as normalcy goes,

01:06:43and he was competent to stand trial.

01:06:47He was deemed not crazy

01:06:49and was competent to stand trial.

01:06:52So...

01:06:54The hormone defense is going to have huge blowback

01:06:57on women as a whole.

01:06:58And legal things, too, right?

01:07:00Like, so if a woman is hormonal

01:07:03and she's put in a position of responsibility

01:07:05and then bad things happen,

01:07:08then could it be a dereliction of duty

01:07:10or a failure to protect on the part of the organization

01:07:12that gives her that, right?

01:07:16How do I feel about Lauren Southern

01:07:19being a single mother?

01:07:21I mean, obviously,

01:07:21I think it's not particularly positive and so on,

01:07:25but...

01:07:26Is evil the same as insanity?

01:07:28No.

01:07:29No.

01:07:34Biological psychiatry is a pseudoscience.

01:07:36Ah, it's a very strong case to be made for that.

01:07:38A very strong case to be made by that.

01:07:43The reality of

01:07:45somebody did something I cannot comprehend,

01:07:48therefore they must be crazy,

01:07:51is not

01:07:53a rational viewpoint.

01:08:00If a human can't control their actions,

01:08:02we don't let them operate around us.

01:08:04I still have PTSD.

01:08:05PTSD.

01:08:08Yeah.

01:08:09Yeah.

01:08:10Yeah, for sure.

01:08:15Well, you and the Scientologists

01:08:17share the mental illness isn't real belief

01:08:19in common.

01:08:20Well done.

01:08:20No, we don't.

01:08:21I think that mental dysfunction,

01:08:23mental unhappiness is real.

01:08:24I just think it's more moral

01:08:26and anti-rational.

01:08:27It's more philosophical.

01:08:29So, people who lose touch with reality,

01:08:32again, assuming there's nothing

01:08:33directly organic and measurable

01:08:34going on in the brain,

01:08:35but people who lose touch with reality

01:08:37have a metaphysical

01:08:38and epistemological issue, right?

01:08:40But reality is what we,

01:08:41you know, touch and contact

01:08:42and interact with all the time

01:08:45and if people have lost touch

01:08:47with reality,

01:08:49then they're no longer trusting

01:08:50the evidence of their senses

01:08:51and they don't have

01:08:53a rational methodology

01:08:54for determining truth and falsehood

01:08:56that they're willing to apply.

01:08:57I'm not saying that philosophy

01:08:58solves all of these things,

01:08:59but I'd sure love to see

01:09:00how many it could solve.

01:09:07So, yeah, I think it's real,

01:09:09but I do think that it is more philosophical.

01:09:16Somebody says,

01:09:17this is unverified,

01:09:18Charles Whitman,

01:09:18brain tumor,

01:09:19John List,

01:09:19wife gave him syphilis,

01:09:21Aaron Hernandez,

01:09:22CTE,

01:09:23Herbin Mullen,

01:09:24actor schizophrenic,

01:09:25psychotic,

01:09:25all guilty,

01:09:26no controversy.

01:09:27Well, but the question is,

01:09:29was it in the deranged,

01:09:32anti-rational hellhole

01:09:33of confusing legality

01:09:34or impossible legality

01:09:36known as Massachusetts?

01:09:45I mean, of course,

01:09:46I mean, that law,

01:09:47I don't find,

01:09:48I don't think of,

01:09:49I can't think of,

01:09:50doesn't mean like,

01:09:51it's not possible,

01:09:51I can't think of any rational way

01:09:53that that law could be

01:09:53consistently applied.

01:09:55How do you prove

01:09:56the state of mind

01:09:57of someone

01:10:00from years ago

01:10:02when there were no witnesses

01:10:03to her actions?

01:10:04I mean,

01:10:05I guess Patrick Clancy

01:10:06would be a witness

01:10:07to some degree, right?

01:10:18All right.

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01:11:00And it's also

01:11:01an interesting question

01:11:02and one of my characters

01:11:03in my novel,

01:11:05The Future,

01:11:05which you should get

01:11:06at freedomain.com

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01:11:07it's free,

01:11:08it's a great novel,

01:11:10is the question of

01:11:12can we handle comfort?

01:11:13Can we as a species

01:11:15handle comfort?

01:11:19Does comfort make us

01:11:21soft, whiny,

01:11:24neurasthenic,

01:11:25neurotic,

01:11:27weak,

01:11:27complainy?

01:11:28So you sort of think

01:11:29of the kid who grew up

01:11:30poor,

01:11:30who had to battle

01:11:31for everything,

01:11:31and then you think

01:11:32of the kid who grew up

01:11:33with their parents

01:11:34paying for everything

01:11:35and absolving them

01:11:36of all errors,

01:11:38problems,

01:11:38or mistakes,

01:11:39you know,

01:11:39the kid of the rich mayor,

01:11:41the rich mayor,

01:11:42and make sure that he never

01:11:43gets into any legal trouble,

01:11:44even though he's,

01:11:45you know,

01:11:45drunk driving and stealing stuff,

01:11:47and pays all his bills,

01:11:48and, you know,

01:11:49he breaks his bike,

01:11:51he just gets a new bike.

01:11:52So does comfort make us weak?

01:11:55In other words,

01:11:56is adversity,

01:11:57both individually

01:11:58and perhaps even as a species,

01:11:59is adversity that

01:12:00which strengthens character?

01:12:02And so we yearn for that

01:12:04which destroys us.

01:12:05We yearn for peace

01:12:07and serenity

01:12:09and ease

01:12:10and comfort

01:12:11and so on.

01:12:12And when we get it,

01:12:14it makes us weak.

01:12:15In other words,

01:12:17we don't like to work out,

01:12:18so we like to sit on the couch,

01:12:19but if you sit on the couch,

01:12:20you get rotund,

01:12:21soft,

01:12:22your bones decay,

01:12:23your muscles decay,

01:12:24and you die young.

01:12:25So if you get the comfort you want,

01:12:29do you become weak?

01:12:33It's a very big question

01:12:34because as a civilization,

01:12:36of course,

01:12:36we have more comfort

01:12:37and support now

01:12:39than any of our ancestors

01:12:40could have remotely dreamed of.

01:12:42Like,

01:12:43please understand,

01:12:45you live

01:12:47in a literal paradise

01:12:49compared to your ancestors.

01:12:51I mean,

01:12:51the fact that we just have

01:12:52this conversation

01:12:53that I'm sitting in an

01:12:54air-conditioned area

01:12:56with a great microphone

01:12:57and incredible communications

01:12:58technology and so on

01:12:59and my internet's back up

01:13:01and after this,

01:13:02I can go

01:13:04and mix up a quick salad,

01:13:06have a piece of toast

01:13:08and so on

01:13:09from the fridge.

01:13:10You know,

01:13:10if it's a hot day outside,

01:13:11I can come in

01:13:12and get a Popsicle.

01:13:14I mean,

01:13:15trying to get a drink

01:13:17that was colder,

01:13:19that was certainly

01:13:20getting a drink

01:13:21that was ice cold

01:13:21in a warm climate

01:13:22was impossible.

01:13:25Impossible.

01:13:26You know,

01:13:27I got a bee sting

01:13:27last summer,

01:13:29my hand swelled up,

01:13:29just took some antibiotics

01:13:30and away it went.

01:13:31I might have had to

01:13:32cut my hand off

01:13:32before antibiotics.

01:13:36And,

01:13:40this is heaven

01:13:43to your ancestors

01:13:45and yet,

01:13:46I think we complain

01:13:48the most.

01:13:52And complaining

01:13:54gives a kind of,

01:13:55I don't know,

01:13:55it's a sick dopamine rush

01:13:56and so on.

01:13:57It's tempting.

01:13:58It's tempting.

01:13:58I mean,

01:13:59we all subject to it,

01:14:00right?

01:14:01We're all subject to it.

01:14:04You know,

01:14:08I use AI for stuff

01:14:09and sometimes

01:14:10AI disconnects randomly.

01:14:15And you're like,

01:14:15oh man.

01:14:16So,

01:14:17this incredible benefit

01:14:18then becomes a negative,

01:14:19right?

01:14:19So,

01:14:19and,

01:14:20you know,

01:14:20there's this comedian

01:14:21who was talking about like,

01:14:22oh,

01:14:22the Wi-Fi on the plane

01:14:23was slow

01:14:24and I was so annoyed.

01:14:25I'm like,

01:14:25the fact that you can get,

01:14:26if nobody offered you

01:14:27Wi-Fi on the plane,

01:14:28you'd have nothing

01:14:28to complain about.

01:14:29When you get Wi-Fi

01:14:29on a plane,

01:14:30on a plane

01:14:31and it's too slow,

01:14:32you're annoyed.

01:14:36So,

01:14:36all of these benefits,

01:14:37all of these benefits.

01:14:39I mean,

01:14:39I remember growing up,

01:14:40of course,

01:14:42I grew up in England.

01:14:43When I was six,

01:14:44I went to Africa for a while

01:14:45and then we moved to Canada

01:14:46when I was 11.

01:14:48England,

01:14:48it wasn't so bad,

01:14:49but obviously,

01:14:50Africa and Canada,

01:14:51Canada's brutally hot

01:14:52in the summer

01:14:53at times.

01:14:55And I had no air conditioning

01:14:56and,

01:14:57you know,

01:14:57we were worried about

01:14:58electricity costs

01:14:59so I couldn't even,

01:15:00having a fan on all night

01:15:01wasn't really an option.

01:15:02So,

01:15:02you just leave the window

01:15:03and hope that you get

01:15:04a couple of breaths

01:15:05of fetid air

01:15:06washing over your sweaty sheets.

01:15:08And I remember

01:15:09one of my roommates,

01:15:10my brother and I

01:15:11kicked my mother out

01:15:12when I was 15 or so,

01:15:14and we got roommates

01:15:16and one of my roommates

01:15:16had a father

01:15:17who worked in the HVAC industry

01:15:18and he got us

01:15:19an old air conditioner

01:15:22that we were gonna,

01:15:23that was gonna get tossed

01:15:24or something like that

01:15:25and he fixed it up

01:15:26and I just remember,

01:15:27I remember so clearly

01:15:30coming back

01:15:31on a fetid hot day.

01:15:33There's no air conditioning

01:15:34in the schools

01:15:34or anything like that,

01:15:35right?

01:15:35It was a fetid hot day

01:15:36coming in,

01:15:38opening the door.

01:15:38I remember this

01:15:39like it was yesterday,

01:15:40coming in,

01:15:40opening the door

01:15:41and this breath

01:15:42of cool air

01:15:44coming out

01:15:45and just like,

01:15:46oh,

01:15:47I will never get used to,

01:15:49like,

01:15:49I will never take this

01:15:50for granted.

01:15:53And a friend of mine

01:15:54had a car,

01:15:55the engine used to overheat

01:15:57so the only way

01:15:58that he could drive

01:15:59was to have the heat

01:16:01going full blast

01:16:02into the,

01:16:05into the driver's area,

01:16:07right?

01:16:07The cabin,

01:16:08I can't remember

01:16:08what it's called,

01:16:08the interior of the car.

01:16:11And he'd have to drive

01:16:13like with his head

01:16:13out the window

01:16:14because he'd just get this,

01:16:15you know,

01:16:16fetid diesel fart

01:16:17of heat coming

01:16:18into his face

01:16:18in the summer

01:16:19when it's like

01:16:1935 degrees outside.

01:16:24and now it's like

01:16:25my wife doesn't like

01:16:26the air conditioning

01:16:27so if she's driving it up,

01:16:28I'll be like,

01:16:29oh man,

01:16:29it's kind of hot.

01:16:30Oh man,

01:16:30the air conditioning

01:16:31was turned off.

01:16:32It's like,

01:16:32I swore I would never

01:16:33take it for granted.

01:16:34And now I've just adjusted

01:16:36to it like most people do

01:16:37and I'm just annoyed

01:16:38when it's not there.

01:16:40I'm just annoyed

01:16:41when it's not there.

01:16:43So it is a sort of

01:16:44more foundational question

01:16:47about what do we do

01:16:48when we're comfortable.

01:16:50And what we do

01:16:51when we're comfortable

01:16:52is we become whiny

01:16:54and amoral.

01:16:55Morality comes from scarcity,

01:16:57right?

01:16:58People in the tropics,

01:16:59they can share

01:16:59because there's,

01:17:00you know,

01:17:00fruit on every tree

01:17:01and fish on every pond

01:17:06and hunting is easy.

01:17:08So,

01:17:09I mean,

01:17:10the danger comes from

01:17:10bacteria and viruses,

01:17:11not from,

01:17:12I mean,

01:17:13some predators,

01:17:14right?

01:17:14So,

01:17:15you know,

01:17:15you can share,

01:17:15hey,

01:17:17and we will cook

01:17:18cornmeal porridge

01:17:19of which I'll share

01:17:20with you,

01:17:21right?

01:17:21Yeah,

01:17:21have some,

01:17:22yeah,

01:17:22it's easy,

01:17:23you know,

01:17:23people on welfare,

01:17:24you know,

01:17:24here,

01:17:24have some,

01:17:25whatever,

01:17:25right?

01:17:26And so,

01:17:26when you have plenty,

01:17:30you share,

01:17:30where property rights

01:17:31and strictness

01:17:32and so on comes in

01:17:33when you have to plan

01:17:34for the winter

01:17:34and particularly

01:17:35this activist

01:17:36kind of theory.

01:17:41morals and self-discipline

01:17:43and virtue

01:17:43and so on

01:17:44come from scarcity.

01:17:46But we live

01:17:47in a situation

01:17:49where there's

01:17:50almost no scarcity.

01:17:54And even I,

01:17:55who grew up poor,

01:17:56managed to get hold

01:17:56of a second hand.

01:17:58You know,

01:17:58I took an inheritance

01:17:59from my grandmother,

01:18:00bought a computer

01:18:00and then we had

01:18:01a second hand air conditioner

01:18:03that worked.

01:18:05And I didn't have a car

01:18:06until I was in my 30s

01:18:07but I biked everywhere

01:18:08on roads,

01:18:09obviously,

01:18:10and

01:18:12I had public transit.

01:18:14I mean,

01:18:14it was hot,

01:18:15it was fatted

01:18:15and so on,

01:18:16at least until later

01:18:17but I could get

01:18:18anywhere in the city

01:18:19when I was a kid

01:18:20for 20 cents.

01:18:25So,

01:18:26it is sort of

01:18:26a more foundational question

01:18:27if you look at this

01:18:28in your own life.

01:18:29What has comfort

01:18:31done to you?

01:18:32And what has

01:18:33distraction done to you?

01:18:34And I say this

01:18:34to me as well.

01:18:35So,

01:18:36I still know people

01:18:37who spend 20 hours

01:18:38a week

01:18:38playing video games.

01:18:42It's easy.

01:18:43Just fire it up

01:18:44and, you know,

01:18:45I'll fire up X

01:18:46or whatever it is

01:18:47and I'll just browse

01:18:48and it's pretty easy

01:18:49and, you know,

01:18:50I can say it's part

01:18:51of my job

01:18:51and it is

01:18:52and there's some

01:18:52valuable and useful

01:18:53things that I get

01:18:53out of it for the show.

01:18:55But,

01:18:57to not be bored

01:18:59is an incredible luxury

01:19:00and with technology

01:19:01these days

01:19:02you literally have

01:19:03the option

01:19:03to never be bored.

01:19:07I mean,

01:19:07I was a kid

01:19:08we would read

01:19:10the cereal boxes.

01:19:11I learned French

01:19:12to some degree

01:19:13which I had to know

01:19:14for my graduate degree

01:19:16you had to be able

01:19:17to translate

01:19:18another language.

01:19:19So,

01:19:19I learned French

01:19:20to some degree

01:19:20from reading cereal boxes

01:19:21and other things

01:19:23on the breakfast table.

01:19:28My brother once

01:19:29got me a book

01:19:29are famous

01:19:31deep philosophical quotes

01:19:32and it was like

01:19:33yay thick

01:19:33and I just

01:19:34I kept it by the bathroom

01:19:35so if I go to the bathroom

01:19:36and you have a

01:19:37long manly

01:19:39producer kanji session

01:19:40and you can just read

01:19:41about interesting

01:19:42great philosophical

01:19:43thoughts and ideas

01:19:44and I got that

01:19:45when I was in my 20s.

01:19:47Never be bored.

01:19:48Never be bored.

01:19:50Always be comfortable.

01:19:51Never be bored.

01:19:52If you get sick

01:19:53most times

01:19:54you can be cured

01:19:55and you never

01:19:56have to be too hot.

01:19:57you never have

01:19:58to be too cold.

01:20:00When I was a kid

01:20:00we would feed coins

01:20:01into the meter

01:20:02and there was

01:20:03a cold shortage

01:20:04because of conflicts

01:20:05between Thatcher

01:20:06and the unions

01:20:06I think

01:20:07and

01:20:09cold.

01:20:10It was cold, man.

01:20:13Hungry in boarding school.

01:20:15Food shortage.

01:20:15Meat shortage.

01:20:18We used to eat

01:20:18a lot of

01:20:19white bread

01:20:20with margarine.

01:20:21Just

01:20:22devil's armpit here.

01:20:25When was the last time

01:20:27you were really

01:20:28uncomfortable?

01:20:33When was the last time

01:20:34you were really

01:20:34uncomfortable?

01:20:36Either hungry

01:20:36or really thirsty

01:20:38or too cold

01:20:39or too hot?

01:20:40Where it wasn't like

01:20:41you know

01:20:42if you go and play

01:20:42pickleball

01:20:43in the middle of the afternoon

01:20:44it's going to be

01:20:44kind of hot.

01:20:45When were you

01:20:46last really uncomfortable?

01:20:47Were you pushing

01:20:48yourself physically?

01:20:54And what does

01:20:55your lack

01:20:56of discomfort

01:20:56do

01:20:58to you?

01:20:59I mean

01:21:00we are kind of

01:21:01designed for discomfort

01:21:02and we've taken

01:21:03discomfort

01:21:03out of the equation

01:21:05as a species.

01:21:07And it's

01:21:08I mean

01:21:09it's one of the reasons

01:21:09I sort of

01:21:10push myself

01:21:11when it comes

01:21:12to the discomfort

01:21:13of challenging

01:21:14social discourse

01:21:15when it comes

01:21:16to confronting

01:21:17people in their

01:21:18anti-rationalities.

01:21:19When it comes

01:21:20to physical

01:21:22exercise

01:21:23I push myself

01:21:24you know

01:21:25I'll do

01:21:2540-45 minutes

01:21:26of hard cardio

01:21:27and it's uncomfortable.

01:21:29It's very uncomfortable.

01:21:32You need

01:21:33to be uncomfortable.

01:21:35And yet

01:21:36we are drawn

01:21:37towards

01:21:38comfort.

01:21:40And you really

01:21:41really really

01:21:41need to be

01:21:42uncomfortable.

01:21:43I think

01:21:43honestly

01:21:44I'll be straight up

01:21:45like I think

01:21:46I think that

01:21:47discomfort

01:21:49is essential

01:21:50for mental

01:21:51health.

01:21:55In the same

01:21:56way that

01:21:57resistance training

01:21:58is essential

01:21:59for muscle growth.

01:22:00Right?

01:22:01I mean

01:22:01if you look

01:22:02at something

01:22:02like gravity

01:22:03gravity is a

01:22:03discomfort

01:22:04and when you

01:22:04put people

01:22:05in a space

01:22:05station

01:22:06and their

01:22:06gravity

01:22:06is very

01:22:07much reduced

01:22:07or there's

01:22:07no gravity

01:22:08I guess

01:22:09there's not

01:22:09some Stanley Kubrick

01:22:10spinning wheel

01:22:11then their bones

01:22:12soften

01:22:12and they have

01:22:13to do all

01:22:13these exercises

01:22:14and then

01:22:14when they get

01:22:14back to Earth

01:22:15they have to

01:22:15slowly build

01:22:16up their

01:22:16bones again

01:22:17like our

01:22:17literal

01:22:18skeletons

01:22:18fade

01:22:19in the

01:22:20absence

01:22:20of resistance.

01:22:22You need

01:22:22to be

01:22:23uncomfortable.

01:22:23You need

01:22:24to have

01:22:24difficult

01:22:24conversations

01:22:25with people.

01:22:26You need

01:22:26to screw

01:22:26your courage

01:22:27to the

01:22:27sticking

01:22:27place

01:22:28and confront

01:22:30people when

01:22:30necessary.

01:22:31If there's

01:22:31something wrong

01:22:32happening out

01:22:33there in

01:22:33society

01:22:33you need

01:22:34to

01:22:34if it's

01:22:35reasonably

01:22:35safe

01:22:36you know

01:22:36to have

01:22:36conversations

01:22:37with people

01:22:38you need

01:22:38to push

01:22:39yourself

01:22:39physically

01:22:40you need

01:22:41to go

01:22:41and talk

01:22:42to girls

01:22:42rather than

01:22:43gooning

01:22:44like you

01:22:44need to

01:22:45do stuff

01:22:46that makes

01:22:46you uncomfortable

01:22:47or you

01:22:49just get

01:22:50weaker

01:22:50and softer

01:22:51and more

01:22:52avoidant.

01:22:54You know

01:22:54I've never

01:22:55liked bugs

01:22:56I grew up

01:22:56with cockroaches

01:22:58everywhere

01:22:58I was vile

01:23:00vile

01:23:01and my

01:23:02daughter took

01:23:02me to a

01:23:03butterfly

01:23:03conservatory

01:23:04and there

01:23:04was a

01:23:04giant

01:23:05stick insect

01:23:06I hate

01:23:06stick insects

01:23:07perhaps more

01:23:07than anything

01:23:08I just

01:23:08think about

01:23:08their

01:23:09proboscuses

01:23:09or whatever

01:23:10it is

01:23:10going in

01:23:10my ear

01:23:11I hear

01:23:12these stories

01:23:12of these

01:23:13women who

01:23:13wake up

01:23:13with roaring

01:23:14sounds in

01:23:14their ears

01:23:15because some

01:23:15cockroach

01:23:16called into

01:23:17their ear

01:23:17and their

01:23:17antennas

01:23:18waving on

01:23:18their ear

01:23:18hairs

01:23:19and so

01:23:20my daughter

01:23:21was like

01:23:21here

01:23:21and she

01:23:22put like

01:23:22this bug

01:23:23almost the size

01:23:23of my forearm

01:23:24on my arm

01:23:24and I'm like

01:23:25you know what

01:23:26undo it

01:23:27I learned

01:23:28how to

01:23:30not belay

01:23:31belay climb

01:23:32and did that

01:23:34for a while

01:23:36and you know

01:23:37I was

01:23:38when I was

01:23:38out there

01:23:39giving public

01:23:39speeches

01:23:40it was with

01:23:40bomb threats

01:23:41and death threats

01:23:41and all kinds

01:23:42of exciting

01:23:42stuff

01:23:43and you know

01:23:44when I was

01:23:45being grilled

01:23:46by hostile

01:23:47media people

01:23:48in New Zealand

01:23:48and in Australia

01:23:50I just

01:23:51discomfort is

01:23:52essential

01:23:54and we have

01:23:55all of us

01:23:55we have

01:23:56and it's

01:23:56completely

01:23:56natural

01:23:57I mean

01:23:57I'm not

01:23:58criticizing it

01:23:59at all

01:23:59I share

01:24:00the same

01:24:00thing

01:24:00but you

01:24:02need to

01:24:02be

01:24:02uncomfortable

01:24:03you need

01:24:04to do

01:24:04some hard

01:24:05labor

01:24:05in the heat

01:24:06you need

01:24:06to push

01:24:06yourself

01:24:07physically

01:24:08you need

01:24:09to raise

01:24:09the stakes

01:24:09you need

01:24:10to do

01:24:10that

01:24:11which is

01:24:11uncomfortable

01:24:11or you

01:24:12just get

01:24:13softer

01:24:13and softer

01:24:14and softer

01:24:15and you

01:24:16complain

01:24:17more

01:24:18when you

01:24:19suffer

01:24:19less

01:24:21and I'm

01:24:22not sort

01:24:22of

01:24:22taking

01:24:22the

01:24:23hit

01:24:23yourself

01:24:23in the

01:24:24nand

01:24:24with a ball

01:24:25pin hammer

01:24:25like something

01:24:26that's real

01:24:26right I mean

01:24:26I know

01:24:27exercise isn't

01:24:28particularly real

01:24:28but your muscles

01:24:29don't really

01:24:30know that

01:24:30and your body

01:24:30doesn't really

01:24:31know that

01:24:31do things

01:24:32that are

01:24:32uncomfortable

01:24:33you know

01:24:34if

01:24:34someone's

01:24:35pissing you

01:24:36off

01:24:36say

01:24:36you're

01:24:37pissing me

01:24:37off

01:24:37I'm not

01:24:37saying

01:24:37you're

01:24:38wrong

01:24:38I'm

01:24:38just

01:24:38saying

01:24:38you're

01:24:38pissing

01:24:39me

01:24:39off

01:24:39right

01:24:41and

01:24:43if

01:24:43people

01:24:43ask

01:24:44you

01:24:44for

01:24:44honest

01:24:44feedback

01:24:45oh here's

01:24:45a thought

01:24:47give them

01:24:47honest

01:24:47feedback

01:24:48if someone

01:24:48you know

01:24:48is gaining

01:24:49weight

01:24:49say hey

01:24:50what's

01:24:50going on

01:24:50I've

01:24:50noticed

01:24:50that you

01:24:51put on

01:24:51some

01:24:51weight

01:24:51is there

01:24:52anything

01:24:52I can

01:24:52do

01:24:52to help

01:24:53anything

01:24:53you want

01:24:53to talk

01:24:54about

01:24:55if you

01:24:55notice

01:24:55it

01:24:55yourself

01:24:56if you're

01:24:56gaining

01:24:57weight

01:24:58eat less

01:25:00or eat

01:25:01differently

01:25:02do the

01:25:02what was

01:25:03it

01:25:05the

01:25:06Gillette

01:25:06was it

01:25:07pen diet

01:25:08or the

01:25:10oh the

01:25:11guy who

01:25:11made

01:25:11clerks

01:25:13Kevin

01:25:14someone or

01:25:15other

01:25:15just eat

01:25:16potatoes

01:25:16for two

01:25:17weeks

01:25:17oh whatever

01:25:17you know

01:25:18obviously

01:25:18talk to

01:25:18your doctor

01:25:19I'm not

01:25:19giving you

01:25:19any diet

01:25:20advice

01:25:20but just

01:25:21be

01:25:21uncomfortable

01:25:22make

01:25:22yourself

01:25:22uncomfortable

01:25:23it's

01:25:24essential

01:25:25it can

01:25:26be in

01:25:26terms of

01:25:26vulnerability

01:25:27like if

01:25:27you have

01:25:27people

01:25:28we had

01:25:29some

01:25:29just

01:25:29truly

01:25:30lovely

01:25:30house

01:25:30guests

01:25:31this

01:25:31week

01:25:31and

01:25:34I was

01:25:34saying

01:25:35we were

01:25:35talking about

01:25:35something we

01:25:36were thinking

01:25:36about earlier

01:25:36and I

01:25:36said you

01:25:37know

01:25:37I gotta

01:25:38tell you

01:25:38guys

01:25:39like

01:25:40looking

01:25:40around

01:25:40us

01:25:41here

01:25:41at

01:25:41this

01:25:41table

01:25:41I

01:25:42was

01:25:42just

01:25:42literally

01:25:43thinking

01:25:43last

01:25:43night

01:25:44looking

01:25:44around

01:25:44at

01:25:44everyone

01:25:44here

01:25:45just

01:25:45how

01:25:47amazing

01:25:47it is

01:25:48to have

01:25:48you know

01:25:48great

01:25:49wonderful

01:25:49funny

01:25:49warm

01:25:50good

01:25:50people

01:25:51in my

01:25:51life

01:25:51like

01:25:52y'all

01:25:52mean

01:25:52the

01:25:52world

01:25:53to me

01:25:53my

01:25:54life

01:25:55would

01:25:55be

01:25:55far

01:25:57more

01:25:57impoverished

01:25:57without

01:25:57you

01:25:58and I

01:25:58don't

01:25:59want

01:25:59anyone

01:25:59to

01:26:00leave

01:26:00this

01:26:01lovely

01:26:02time

01:26:02together

01:26:03with

01:26:03any

01:26:03doubts

01:26:04about

01:26:04how

01:26:04truly

01:26:05important

01:26:06you all

01:26:06are to

01:26:07me

01:26:07and how

01:26:07much

01:26:07I

01:26:07absolutely

01:26:08treasure

01:26:08the time

01:26:09that we

01:26:09spend

01:26:10together

01:26:12now

01:26:12obviously

01:26:13I was

01:26:14raised

01:26:14British

01:26:14that kind

01:26:15of

01:26:15openness

01:26:17and

01:26:18vulnerability

01:26:18and

01:26:19saying to

01:26:20people

01:26:20how much

01:26:20they mean

01:26:21to you

01:26:21it's not

01:26:22comfortable

01:26:22for me

01:26:24I'm white

01:26:24it's not

01:26:25comfortable

01:26:25for me

01:26:26but I

01:26:27think it's

01:26:27important

01:26:27I think

01:26:28it's honest

01:26:29people ask me

01:26:30what are you

01:26:30thinking

01:26:30that's literally

01:26:31what I'm

01:26:31thinking

01:26:32so even

01:26:33vulnerability

01:26:34or anything

01:26:35like that

01:26:37can be

01:26:41important

01:26:42you know

01:26:42have tough

01:26:43conversations

01:26:43push yourself

01:26:44physically

01:26:45do things

01:26:46that are

01:26:46uncomfortable

01:26:47it keeps

01:26:47you grounded

01:26:49and

01:26:50when you

01:26:51do things

01:26:51that are

01:26:51really

01:26:52uncomfortable

01:26:52whether

01:26:53physically

01:26:53or mentally

01:26:53or morally

01:26:54or

01:26:55from the

01:26:56standpoint

01:26:56of vulnerability

01:26:57or something

01:26:58what happens

01:26:59is you

01:27:00then appreciate

01:27:00that

01:27:02when that's

01:27:03not happening

01:27:03you appreciate

01:27:04it more

01:27:04you know

01:27:05like when I

01:27:05push myself

01:27:06physically

01:27:08I appreciate

01:27:09it more

01:27:10like I take

01:27:11a day off

01:27:12where I don't

01:27:12exercise a week

01:27:13you know

01:27:13not a big

01:27:14plan or anything

01:27:15like that

01:27:15just kind of

01:27:16happens

01:27:16and I'm like

01:27:16oh how nice

01:27:18how nice

01:27:19that I don't

01:27:20have to

01:27:20do that

01:27:21today

01:27:21and it

01:27:22really helps

01:27:22you appreciate

01:27:23you know

01:27:24if you have

01:27:24difficult

01:27:25conversations

01:27:25with people

01:27:25it really

01:27:26helps you

01:27:26appreciate

01:27:26when you

01:27:27don't have

01:27:27to have

01:27:27difficult

01:27:28conversations

01:27:28with people

01:27:31so

01:27:31this is

01:27:32my

01:27:33advice

01:27:33to you

01:27:34embrace

01:27:35discomfort

01:27:36you know

01:27:37there was

01:27:37somebody

01:27:37posted

01:27:38about

01:27:39you know

01:27:40the sort

01:27:40of

01:27:41the drill

01:27:42sergeants

01:27:44in the

01:27:45marines

01:27:45and they

01:27:46said

01:27:46it's the

01:27:47de-pucification

01:27:48you know

01:27:48boys are

01:27:48raised with

01:27:49such comfort

01:27:49that embrace

01:27:50the suck

01:27:51learn how

01:27:52to be

01:27:52uncomfortable

01:27:52learn how

01:27:53to enjoy

01:27:54being

01:27:54uncomfortable

01:27:54or at

01:27:55least

01:27:55appreciate

01:27:55it

01:27:55and so

01:27:56on

01:27:57you know

01:27:57it's the

01:27:58kind of

01:27:58thing

01:27:58that

01:27:59you

01:28:00you can

01:28:01sort of

01:28:01psych yourself

01:28:02out a little

01:28:02bit

01:28:02you can say

01:28:03okay well

01:28:03if I

01:28:03if I was

01:28:04waiting

01:28:04I thought

01:28:04oh my

01:28:05gosh

01:28:05I'm gonna

01:28:06be

01:28:07I'm gonna

01:28:07get bad

01:28:08news from

01:28:08the doctor

01:28:08and then

01:28:09the doctor

01:28:09calls and

01:28:09says oh

01:28:10there's

01:28:10nothing wrong

01:28:10it's fine

01:28:11or whatever

01:28:11right

01:28:11you'd be

01:28:12so happy

01:28:13but you

01:28:13have that

01:28:13already

01:28:14you'd be

01:28:14so happy

01:28:14to have

01:28:15your health

01:28:15if you

01:28:16thought

01:28:16you'd

01:28:16lost it

01:28:17but you

01:28:17have your

01:28:17health

01:28:17already

01:28:18so enjoy

01:28:18that

01:28:19so but

01:28:20you're

01:28:20only

01:28:20unhappy

01:28:27it is

01:28:27important

01:28:29to

01:28:29be

01:28:30uncomfortable

01:28:31to embrace

01:28:31discomfort

01:28:32to push

01:28:32yourself

01:28:33because the

01:28:34alternative

01:28:34is just

01:28:36whining

01:28:36and complaining

01:28:37and getting

01:28:37softer and

01:28:38softer and

01:28:39I say this

01:28:39with humility

01:28:39having been

01:28:40there myself

01:28:40all right

01:28:41thanks everyone

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01:28:50much for

01:28:50dropping by

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01:28:53bye

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