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There have been some incredible advancements in technology over the last few decades. The Sports Junkies are unsure if all those rapid advancements will lead to a bright future for society. Are you worried about AI potentially taking over the world?
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00:00Well, that AI guy yesterday who looks like he's about 35 years old
00:04who worked for Anthropic, I believe,
00:07he may have said we're all going to be wiped out in 10 years by AI anyway.
00:11So just maximize your 10 years.
00:14I thought he said two years.
00:15I don't know.
00:16I don't understand why we keep just pursuing this at an accelerated rate
00:20when, like even Elon said a few years ago,
00:2310% chance that it wipes out humanity.
00:2610%!
00:26You guys are just gambling 10% of humanity.
00:29I've seen the movies.
00:30I've seen iRobot.
00:31I've seen Terminator.
00:32It's crazy.
00:34I know what Skynet can do when it's fully capable.
00:36Why are we pursuing all of this at this accelerated rate
00:39when we know it's a huge gamble?
00:41And it can kill people all.
00:43It's like 10% chance.
00:44It's because it's an arms race with other countries too.
00:48But it's not worth it.
00:50We didn't agree to put our lives at a 10% risk.
00:54We didn't agree to it.
00:55Because they think they can still contain it.
00:57But there are some people that think that you can't contain it.
00:59I know they can't contain it.
01:00Because every third week, you hear a story about some rogue AI escaping.
01:05And you're like, what am I going to do today?
01:08Oh, I'm going to jump onto the internet and invade another AI
01:11and try to take over the planet.
01:13I mean, it's absurd what's happening.
01:16A guy I was listening to yesterday said too,
01:17it's not going to be like you just blink and you're dead.
01:20It's going to be like a protracted, starving, you know,
01:26can't produce food anymore.
01:29It's going to attack all the water lines, all the pipes.
01:31It's just going to be a slow, protracted, horrific end.
01:35And then the only people that might survive would be like some African tribe,
01:39you know, out there maybe, you know,
01:40that's not sort of connected to technology.
01:42Why is AI shutting down our food supply?
01:44I don't quite understand that.
01:45I don't know.
01:46I don't know how.
01:47Who knows?
01:48We're all reliant on tech for everything.
01:51And that's where we're vulnerable.
01:54This is from a New York Post article.
01:56AI experts ominously mapped out just how super intelligent machines
02:00could trigger catastrophic outcomes and threaten humanity with extinction
02:04after an industry researcher warned advanced systems could, quote,
02:08kill us all in a decade.
02:10I mean, power grid goes down.
02:13I mean, I saw war games with Matthew Broderick.
02:15Yeah, right.
02:17I mean, you can go way back.
02:19I've seen many movies with this is an outcome.
02:21Power grid goes down.
02:21The water supply gets contaminated.
02:23We can't produce food at a mass rate.
02:26But it also, they said AI could attack your financials so you'll have no money.
02:30All of that.
02:30All of that.
02:31You said 10% in this article, Dr. Jeremy Hefner.
02:37Not Gary Hefner.
02:38Not Flushy.
02:39Or Gino Hefner.
02:41Hopefully no relation.
02:42He's a trauma surgeon, and I don't know what this even means.
02:45A prominent tech futurist.
02:47I don't know what that description means.
02:50He projected a 70% probability that society will suffer a total civilizational collapse
02:58driven by untethered AI systems.
03:01When?
03:02Is he predicting within a decade?
03:04So stop putting your money in your 401k.
03:07Okay?
03:08Just hoard your cash.
03:11Build your panic room.
03:13Need more than a panic room.
03:15Hunker down.
03:16You need a farm.
03:16Learn to grow your crops.
03:18Put a water filtration system in your panic room.
03:21And just burrow into the earth.
03:24Well, what's the point of living when the rest of society is all dead, too?
03:26I mean, what's the point?
03:27Just sit there in your panic room?
03:29I mean...
03:29Yeah, I can watch the NFL in my panic room.
03:32What's the...
03:33Okay.
03:33So how the NFL is getting...
03:34Why hoard your money?
03:35Where's...
03:35How the NFL is getting...
03:36You're not going to be able to spend your money.
03:38Despite civilization collapsing.
03:40I'm not buying it.
03:41I know these people are super smart and...
03:44They're way smarter than super smart.
03:46What I don't understand this term, AI agent.
03:49Can you explain to me what an AI agent is?
03:51No, I cannot explain what that is.
03:53I see certain things that say, oh, take a course in Claude and you can become a billionaire
03:56with only 10 employees if you have a bunch of AI agents.
03:59I'm so sure.
04:00I don't get it.
04:01By the way, this guy that's smarter than Gary Hefner, the doctor, he has three scenarios
04:06where the AI is going to just take over.
04:09One is called complete divergence.
04:11That's where unrestrained AI rockets past human control and triggers instant widespread chaos.
04:17Like Valdez mentioned, a fire sale in...
04:21Is that live free or die hard?
04:23That's a really good kind of underrated movie in the franchise.
04:27So that's scenario one.
04:29Scenario two is called bureaucratic overlord, which entangles civilization in a cold, inescapable,
04:36machine-run administrative web that strips away human autonomy.
04:41Third scenario is called integrated colleague presents a more subtle trap.
04:45That's where AI quietly weaves itself into daily life under the guise of an equal partner,
04:52secretly policing human behavior behind the scenes and wielding ultimate authority to neutralize
04:58anybody deemed a risk to global order.
05:02That doesn't sound great.
05:04This guy could be a complete crackpot.
05:06I don't know.
05:08Probably not.
05:08I've never heard of this person ever before in my life.
05:11Dr. Jeremy Hefter.
05:12But I've also heard Elon Musk say in five years, nobody's going to have to work because AI is going
05:16to be so good.
05:17It's going to do everything.
05:19Well, I just think that sounds like a horrible scenario.
05:22You keep buying into that.
05:23I'm just saying there's all these scenarios from all these super smart people that don't know where it's going.
05:28The problem is that none of us have agreed to this outrageous risk.
05:32Well, nobody agreed to iPhones either.
05:34It's companies trying to come up with this.
05:36This is a legit risk to humanity.
05:39Well, why can't it be regulated?
05:40Why can't they regulate the humans?
05:42Why can't humans who are going to die in two years regulate it?
05:45I know, but the problem is if we don't do it and China does it,
05:48then they become the world power of economic force and we're nubs.
05:52And we're 10,000 miles behind them.
05:54Yeah.
05:55Well, you think it's worth risking humanity?
05:59I don't know.
05:59I think maybe it would be okay if China was ahead then.
06:02I don't know.
06:02I just don't think it's worth the risk, the race to be king of all this when it's totally out
06:10of our control at some point.
06:11But maybe the risk is overplayed.
06:13Again, we've seen it in movies.
06:15What they're basically saying is science fiction is going to become reality.
06:18Basically, yes.
06:20Maybe that happens because the iPhone is the reality of Star Trek.
06:24Basically, William Shatner, Captain Kirk, talking on his cell phone is what he was doing.
06:31His phaser gun, whatever the heck he was calling it.
06:34Can you make an older reference?
06:36We talked about it yesterday.
06:38A lot of Star Trek messages on the show.
06:40His entire reality is based on 40 and 50-year-old movies.
06:44You're joning, so give me your reference.
06:48Reading articles?
06:49Studying him?
06:51I'm trying to understand what they're saying?
06:53Not just going.
06:54I saw behind every lines.
06:57Beat me up, Scotty bits.
06:59My point is, is science fiction sometimes becomes reality.
07:03And you can see that.
07:06And so this futurist is making predictions.
07:09He's not the only one.
07:11He's only 70% certain.
07:1270% is a big percentage.
07:14He's some dog.
07:15I mean, if anybody can sort of, if there's like lots of agreement.
07:19Yeah, like if somebody walked up to you and said, you know what?
07:21There's a 70% chance you're going to die today.
07:23You'd have your head on a swivel.
07:25How about if there's a 10% chance you're going to die today?
07:27Your head would be on a swivel.
07:28Of course.
07:2910%?
07:3010% is crazy.
07:31Well, how's the one, guys?
07:31By the way, I think you're really sullying the Heffners because they're the true geniuses.
07:35They basically double charged you to do your kitchen.
07:38Okay, maybe that's the case.
07:39But you know what?
07:39It's a good-looking kitchen, and it's stood the test of time.
07:42It's still there.
07:43Yeah.
07:43I use it every single day.
07:46Well, I don't know.
07:47Well, I can't worry about stuff I can't control.
07:49Yeah.
07:49If I die in two years or 10 years, okay.
07:53It's like imminent.
07:54That's the thing.
07:55Like, relatively speaking.
07:56Like, two to four years.
07:58I mean, COVID was just a few years ago.
08:01Yeah.
08:03I mean, two to four years.
08:04But COVID affected about 0.1% of the population.
08:07No, no, no.
08:08I'm just saying that was an experience that we all sort of endured.
08:11It was different.
08:11It was weird.
08:11We all endured that experience.
08:12That's all I'm saying.
08:13I'm not saying in terms of the deadliness of it.
08:15I'm saying it was just two to four years ago or six years ago.
08:18That was like a blink of an eye.
08:20It feels like yesterday.
08:21Yeah.
08:21So this will be a blinking eye, and now, you know, power grid slowly falling apart, whatever.
08:26I mean, whatever's going to happen.
08:28Nuclear weapons are just going off.
08:29Why is the assumption that AI is going to work in an evil way?
08:34Because it can.
08:35It has the power to.
08:37I think that's the general assumption.
08:39But why is the assumption that it goes that way?
08:41Do you think it's just going to be sunshine and rainbows when AI hits over?
08:46AI is going to pump your 401k off.
08:47I think the thought is for AI to be used in a way to help society.
08:52Oh, I think that's a very naive way to look at it.
08:55If you just look at all the technology in the last 30 years of your life, it didn't exist.
08:59The AI runs rampant.
09:00The AI is so advanced, and we're just at the beginning of it.
09:03When it gets really advanced, it's going to become self-aware and realize, well, I'm way smarter than these humans.
09:11Why do we need humans anymore?
09:12Right.
09:13Humans are obsolete.
09:14They're going to look at us as bags of bones.
09:18Right.
09:18And they're going to say, well, we don't need you.
09:21Why are we going to do anything to help you?
09:22If AI is created to optimize everything, and they say, well, humans are in the way of optimizing everything, let's
09:31just get rid of all these humans.
09:32That's the solution, is to liquidate the humans.
09:35Yeah.
09:36Hopefully, I'm going to be...
09:37Humans are impeding our progress to make everything silly.
09:42Yeah, these humans are slowing us down on our path to world dominance.
09:46What do you do at this point?
09:46I mean, it's like the cat's out of the bag.
09:49I don't even know what you can do.
09:51It's crazy.
09:53I just hope my Nvidia shares keep going up.
09:55I don't know what I'm going to do with them, but I'm contributing to the problem.
09:59Well, I mean, you worry about...
10:01Obviously, you worry about us, but we're closer to death than our kids.
10:04You worry about our kids.
10:05Oh, yeah, of course.
10:05Can you imagine what our kids' lives...
10:06You want your kids to have a nice life.
10:07Of course.
10:08What are our kids...
10:10What are their lives going to be like in 2045?
10:13I don't know.
10:14I can make an argument it'll be better because of this.
10:17Oh, I hope you're right, but it doesn't sound like...
10:19You're the eternal optimist.
10:21Well, do you think your life is better with cell phones and internet and all those things?
10:25Marginally, because I can make the argument it's worse.
10:27Driverless cars.
10:30It's going to make it safer.
10:32Human interaction's gone down big time.
10:33You get any group of people together, everyone's just on their phones.
10:37I mean, in our own families.
10:38But these experts, these professors who are saying that AI is going to take over the world,
10:45they're going to cut all the cell phone towers down.
10:46You're not going to have any cell phones.
10:48Cell phones, done.
10:49Who's they?
10:50Whoever these scientists are that are predicting the end of the world.
10:54I know, but who's the people that are cutting the...
10:56They're going to develop an army of self-aware robots.
10:59You're not understanding.
11:00The computers are becoming more and more self-aware.
11:04They themselves are the ones taking over.
11:05They're not going to be robots roaming the planet like Judgment Day.
11:08They're not necessarily going to be a robot cutting a line.
11:11It's going to be computer viruses.
11:12It's going to be power to it.
11:13I mean, however they do it.
11:14But for what end?
11:16To eliminate humans.
11:18We're an obstacle.
11:19Why?
11:20We're an obstacle.
11:21But I'm saying, for what end?
11:23Like, what's the gain in that for electronics?
11:27For AI?
11:28JP, the companies are pushing so fast.
11:30I understand that.
11:31Hold on.
11:32I can't hear you when you're interrupting me.
11:34The companies are moving so fast that they're being loose with regulations.
11:38That the computers will be superhuman.
11:41They can hack anything at any point.
11:43And then we'll be totally effed.
11:46It's not just a laugh it off thing.
11:48I think these are serious issues.
11:50They should be regulated.
11:52I'm not disagreeing with you there, but I'm saying under these scenarios which are thrown out there,
11:56what is the gain of artificial intelligence to wipe out humanity?
12:01Because we are dead weight to artificial intelligence.
12:08Right.
12:09They look at us as inferior to them.
12:14And that to make their existence better, to just eliminate us, to streamline their existence.
12:21We're like a bug.
12:22Here's what I do know.
12:23I know Jace's beat-up computer isn't going to kill him.
12:25Because that thing can barely open.
12:28So maybe the next few...
12:30It's still alive.
12:30It still works.
12:31But that AI...
12:33I don't think this computer will ever die.
12:35It might not.
12:35AI couldn't even take it.
12:37AI can't even take that thing down.
12:38All right.
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