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In an exclusive interview, former Indian Ambassador to the United States Meera Shankar analyzed US foreign policy moves and their implications for India's strategic and energy security. Assessing US threats concerning Iran, Shankar highlighted the geopolitical challenges facing New Delhi, stating, "It puts India in a very difficult spot because so much of our oil imports have come from the Gulf." She emphasized the urgency of diversifying energy sources and accelerating the transition to a non-fossil fuel economy through renewables and electrification. Shankar also examined the address delivered at the United Nations General Assembly, noting it was tailored primarily to a domestic audience. Highlighting India's strategic ties across the Gulf, Russia, Central Asia, and the United States, she affirmed that New Delhi will continue to make independent calculations based on its own national interests.

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00:00Joining me now is Ambassador Meera Shankar. She is former Indian ambassador to the United States.
00:05Ambassador Shankar, Donald Trump has called Iran the world's biggest sponsor of terror.
00:12Then he has asked the UN whether he should make a deal or annihilate the Islamic Republic.
00:18That's a life threat from a sitting US president, not rhetoric. What happens next, ma'am?
00:26We really don't know what will happen next.
00:30Because President Trump, as always, keeps open the door to negotiations, but under coercive pressure.
00:39And this time he's ramped up the pressure by saying that the choice is either to have a deal or
00:46face annihilation.
00:49So that's a very strong threat.
00:52But then he himself says, I think that we have a deal after the elections.
00:58Which means that till the elections at least, there's no chance of a deal.
01:05The November midterm elections in the US.
01:09Ambassador, President Trump warns Iran economically isolated until it drops its nuclear programs and stops targeting shipping.
01:17India runs its own energy policy independent of Washington's line.
01:22What does that isolation push mean for India's calculations on the Strait of Hormuz and its energy security?
01:32Look, it puts India in a very difficult spot because so much of our oil imports have come from the
01:40Gulf.
01:41And that is disrupted because the Houthis have also now moved downwards adjacent to the Red Sea coast.
01:53So there's the possibility that the Babal Mandib Strait could also get choked.
02:00And that means that Saudi oil, which was using Red Sea ports, may not be able to get out.
02:08As it is, the price of oil is rising.
02:11So for India, I think we have to make our own choices in terms of diversification of energy sources.
02:23We are buying from Russia.
02:24We are buying from Venezuela.
02:26We bought from Nigeria.
02:29We buy from the US.
02:31So we are diversifying our sources of energy.
02:36But at the same time, I would say it's a wake-up call that we accelerate the push towards a
02:44non-fossil fuel economy.
02:46You know, if transportation, electrification can happen more quickly,
02:51if renewable energy based on solar and wind and battery storage can happen more quickly,
02:59then the amount of energy you need to import will come down and your energy security will increase manyfold.
03:09And while I do see some effort at diversification of energy sources of fossil fuel,
03:16I'm afraid I don't see any major push to accelerate a non-fossil fuel economy.
03:24You know, tell me, ma'am, as a former diplomat,
03:27that you would have heard, seen multiple US presidents and, you know, heads of state at the UNGA,
03:35how do you look at US president's speech today?
03:37Was it more meant for domestic audience?
03:42Well, he's this time kept more to his talking points.
03:46And the speech has been made with an eye to his domestic audience because he first talks about his own
03:55success in the US economy,
03:58in raising employment, in bringing down poverty, and the booming stock market.
04:06And never before has the US economy been so good.
04:13And then he talks about his success in securing the border and controlling immigration.
04:20He talks about artificial intelligence and super intelligence, as he calls it,
04:27because artificial sounds artificial, and that this means that the US will be ahead in future as well.
04:37And then he talks about Iran, and, you know, council, that Council of Peace on Gaza.
04:46And so much of his speech initially was really aimed at his domestic audience.
04:54On Iran, as we discussed earlier, he says the choice is either that Iran agrees to a deal
05:01and gives up its nuclear weapons, or he will annihilate Iran.
05:08And then on Ukraine, he says that a deal is nearer than anybody thinks, you know, that it could be
05:17around the corner,
05:18whereas actually conflict or exchanges in terms of drone attacks are intensifying between Russia and Ukraine at the moment.
05:35So, overall, this time he stuck to his talking points, more or less, with an eye on his domestic audience.
05:44Last year, if you recall, he had gone off his talking points, and he had talked about, it was a
05:53rambling speech.
05:54He had said that he has destroyed Iran's nuclear program.
05:59That was in his last year's speech, its nuclear weapons, and that he also had talked so much about Europe,
06:11how it was being overrun by illegal aliens, and that Europe would lose its own culture and soul, etc.
06:24So, he had just completely gone rambling of the points which had been given to him.
06:31This year, he stuck more closely to the text.
06:34All right, ma'am, let me ask my last question.
06:37India continues to engage Tehran and sit in bricks as any sovereign nation charting its own course would.
06:45Does Donald Trump's speech change the cost of that course?
06:50Well, I think India will make its own calculations where its balance of interest lies.
06:57Certainly, India has equities in the Gulf, with all the Gulf countries and with Iran,
07:04both in terms of energy, in terms of Iran's strategic location on the Straits of Hormuz.
07:14And it's being a vehicle for India to connect to Central Asia and also to have the North-South corridor
07:24with Russia.
07:24So, connectivity, energy, geopolitical location, all favor Iran, cultural links of the Shias in India and the Shias in Iran.
07:35And then in the other Gulf countries, too, India has energy interests, it has economic interests,
07:44it has defense ties with countries like UAE, and there's the huge diaspora in the rest of the Gulf,
07:51which sends remittances to India.
07:55So, India has interests in all the countries in the region.
07:59And, of course, Israel has been a strategic partner for India.
08:04So, we would need to carefully balance our interests there and also look at the stakes that we have in
08:16the relationship with the U.S.
08:18and then craft our course, keeping in mind that we take our own decisions based on our sense of our
08:27interests.
08:28All right, Ambassador Meera Shankar, pleasure speaking to you, ma'am.
08:31Thank you for joining us and sharing your thoughts.
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