00:00There was this moment on Wednesday when you had the CEOs of OpenAI and Anthropic testifying before
00:05the Security Council. What are they asking for broadly? How extraordinary was it to have them
00:10here in New York doing that? I think it's pretty extraordinary in the sense that they are really
00:14trying to make their case. But I also think we should look at it a little bit from a lens
00:19of
00:19these are also companies that are going to be going public. And at the same time, we learned
00:25this week from the Australian government how there was an OpenAI agent that hacked one of their
00:30websites. So they need to make their case to the public. I think that they understand the risks.
00:37I also think it was a little bit jarring to me that one of the executives that was making this
00:42case decided to zoom in. If you're going to make the case to the international community
00:46about potentially how dangerous and the risks of all this are, I feel like you should show up in
00:51person. Was that testimony constructive, again, going back to what Antonio Guterres wants?
00:56I guess it depends on which side of the ledger you're on. I mean, on the one hand, you could
01:01say
01:01it underscores just how severe and terrifying this moment is that you have the CEOs of these
01:07major AI companies coming to the UN and basically saying, like, help us
01:15keep from hurting the world, like save us from ourselves, basically. And so you'd think like,
01:21okay, that's, that's pretty crazy. But then, as Anne-Marie is suggesting, it does feel a lot like
01:27a PR move. I mean, these are the guys who have created the AI systems that we are now also
01:33worried
01:33about. So are we expecting that they're just suddenly going to step back? And then, I mean,
01:38listen, I started covering the UN, I'm embarrassed to say, in 2004. So I've seen a lot of these
01:44meetings. And it's a crazy situation where whether it's about AI, or the role of children in armed
01:49conflict, or North Korea's nuclear program, you have all these countries, the diplomats come around
01:55the table, they all talk about what a terrible threat it is, how, how terrifying this moment is,
02:02and then everybody kind of breaks and goes home, and nothing gets done. I mean, this is the essence
02:08of jaw jaw, as Anne-Marie is saying. And I think a lot of leaders besides the United States and
02:13China
02:13were welcoming of it, because I spoke to the Finnish president, Alexander Stoop, and he was saying how
02:18I think most countries want to see China and the United States have some sort of framework. And the
02:25fact that they have a dialogue on AI is important. But I'm not sure with these executives here,
02:31to Nick's point, they give these speeches, and then nothing really comes of it.
02:36I mean, it is, I will say, it is also, I think that your point is a really good one.
02:42There were foreign ministers and world leaders around this table, and the anthropic CEO doesn't
02:50even have the time to hop on a plane. Maybe he had better things to do.
02:53Well, no, that's my point. What could be better? If you're concerned, and it was his employees that
02:58went on Twitter and said there's a 10% chance that this can wipe out humanity, and then another
03:04employee from Anthropic doubled down and said, actually, I agree with you, but it's more than
03:0810%, and you can't come address world leaders in public, in person?
03:15It was a symbolic moment, at the very least.
