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00:00Allegedly, the most haunted place in Detroit is the two-way in, over on Eastside,
00:05which, by the way, is just an absolutely great bar in general.
00:08Super cool.
00:09I think it has the best claim to being the oldest bar in Detroit.
00:12I think that place has a legitimate claim to having some stuff going on over there.
00:17Haunted Michigan, Terrifying Tales.
00:21Hey, Jeff, good to see you, man.
00:22How's things with you?
00:24Good, man, good.
00:24How are you doing?
00:25I'm doing well.
00:26Thanks for stopping by, and welcome to Haunted Michigan, where we talk about all things haunted as far as Michigan
00:33is concerned.
00:33Today we're going to talk about Detroit now.
00:36Jade, who I work with, actually pointed me in your direction.
00:39She saw you guys.
00:40There was a story online about one of your haunted walks, shadows at the station.
00:48Is that a walk, or is that just like the train station?
00:51So it's the train station and the immediate area around it, right?
00:54So it includes a little bit of Roosevelt Park.
00:57You go outside, you go back in, and it's some of the more, a couple of the more well-known
01:02stories are outside,
01:03and then we have the sort of inside scoop, as it were, on the inside.
01:07Okay.
01:08Now, they just recently redid that, right?
01:10Yeah, yeah.
01:11I mean, the Ford Motor Company put in almost a billion dollars into it, and it's an incredible venue.
01:18We've had the privilege of being a part of the station since 2023, since before it opened to the public,
01:26and we've been working in there ever since, and it's one of the coolest things that I've ever had the
01:30opportunity to do,
01:30so it's been awesome.
01:31All right.
01:32Now, before we get back into that, tell us a little bit about your background and a little bit more
01:35about what you guys do,
01:36and what is this called?
01:38This is the Detroit?
01:39Detroit History Tours, right?
01:41Detroit History Tours.
01:41I don't want to screw it up, I'm sure.
01:42No, it's okay, man.
01:43Don't worry about it.
01:45So we're a small company, and we were started by the owner of the company.
01:49Her name is Bailey Sisoy Moore.
01:50She's currently the executive director over at the Michigan Maritime Museum in South Haven,
01:55but until not this past June, but the June before, she also had my job,
02:00so she ran the company and also owned the company, and she started it out of her house when she
02:05was a clay modeler at GM.
02:07She wanted to do a career shift.
02:09She started this company, and it's been around for about 12 years.
02:14For me, I met Bailey when I was working over at the Paquette Avenue plant, which is where the Model
02:20T was invented.
02:21I was the events manager there.
02:22Prior to that, I had been up in the thumb at a museum.
02:26I had been down in Monroe when I was in graduate school at the University of Toledo.
02:31I was working for the Monroe County Historical Society a little bit, and I met Bailey when I was at
02:36Paquette.
02:37She's like, hey, do you want to stop doing weddings and come do history stuff?
02:40And I'm like, absolutely, I do.
02:41Not that the weddings weren't great, but it was right after COVID, and I was super burned out with that
02:47sort of emotional experience,
02:48people having to reschedule their weddings over and over and over again.
02:52So I've been a part of the team for about five years.
02:55I've run the joint for Bailey for about a year and a half now, and it is something I never
03:02thought I'd get to do,
03:02because you get to go out and give people tours of what I think is the coolest city in the
03:07world,
03:08focus on all different kinds of topics, do all different kinds of subject matter,
03:14because Detroit has a really dynamic history, and it's incredible that we go out and do it.
03:19Now, by the way, weddings aren't great, just so you know.
03:23So, yeah, you guys are doing tours throughout the entire year, and then at this time of the year,
03:28you kind of incorporate some of the more haunted stuff.
03:31Now, do you have a paranormal background, or is this something that you just kind of learned about?
03:36No.
03:36So I do not have a paranormal background at all.
03:40I would classify myself as a skeptic who is receptive, meaning that I approach,
03:47like I would approach any historical sort of factoid or story, I approach it with some skepticism, right?
03:56Now, that's not to say I don't believe any ghost stories.
03:59That's not to say I've never experienced things that I don't consider are extremely weird and possibly paranormal.
04:05Absolutely.
04:06But if somebody tells me a ghost story about a place, I'm like, okay, that's cool.
04:11But when I hear the same story four or five times, that's when we can start putting that on a
04:15tour, right?
04:16That's when we can say, all right, this is the story.
04:19For example, like this is the story of a guy whose cigar factory is gone,
04:25and he shows up now asking where his factory is and wanting it back.
04:28And we've had so many sort of versions of that tale, people telling us basically the same story that we
04:35throw that on a tour.
04:36That's part of our tour.
04:36And we give them the history of what it could be.
04:39And the important thing that you have to tell people is, like, I can't prove to you, right, that this
04:44is this guy unless the guy says he's that guy, right?
04:47Or I can't prove to you that this is what happened and this is what's causing this haunting, but this
04:51is the history that we think aligns with the stories that we've heard.
04:55And maybe it's subconscious.
04:56Maybe people have heard this history before and they're sort of projecting it, or maybe there is something going on.
05:01And that's kind of the balance we try and strike as a company is, like, we want to give you
05:04a ghost story that's cool and cool history at the same time and mesh them together.
05:10It's a backdoor way of being able to teach people crazy different pieces of history.
05:15It's super fun.
05:16Yeah, and I'm a lot like you.
05:18I'm very skeptical, and I am not about clickbait, and I am not about blowing stories up that might be
05:24nothing.
05:25I want to hear the real stories, and I want to hear what people have experienced.
05:29I want to share that with other people.
05:31I'm not here to, like, you know, make up stories out of thin air, you know?
05:36Yeah.
05:36But you just kind of hit on it.
05:38And so how many stories would you think revolve around, you know, the tour that you're giving out right now
05:45with the dark side of the history bus tour, the walking tours, all of those tours?
05:49So there's, for those, so for Dastardly, which is that walking downtown tour, that's a combination of ghost stories.
05:58One is my own from the Guardian building, and the other.
06:02Well, hang on.
06:02You've got to tell us now.
06:04Oh, I'm not going to spoil the tour, man.
06:06Yeah, so I'll give you the nickel version of it, right?
06:09Okay.
06:10So I used to, as a company, we used to do tours at the Guardian building.
06:13There's another company in there currently doing tours, but it was right when I started is when we were doing
06:19this.
06:19This was a few years ago.
06:20And I was the second guide, which means that I'm sort of like at the back, making sure people don't
06:25steal anything or get lost, right, or have a panic attack when we go upstairs.
06:29And I saw something upstairs that I haven't been able to fully explain yet, and so that's on the tour.
06:36So that's one of our ghost stories.
06:38But on that same tour, though, we talk about a Prohibition-era ghost on the Detroit River.
06:43We talk about Nan Rouge or Nan Rouge, depending on how highfalutin you want to be, because we go to
06:50Fort and Shelby.
06:51Just so everyone knows, there's been three forts in Detroit's history.
06:56One of them, which had the name Fort Shelby at one point, was at Fort and Shelby Street.
07:00It's because history is not always hard.
07:02Anyway, then we go up into Capitol Park.
07:05We talk about Harry Houdini in Detroit.
07:07We talk about Stephen St. Mason, the first governor of Detroit.
07:11Then we go over to Washington Boulevard.
07:13We talk about smallpox and cholera and Abe Bernstein, the head of the Purple Gang, and the book Cadillac Hotel.
07:19Ah, the Purple Gang, yeah.
07:21Yeah, a lot of – it's not just ghost stories.
07:23There's a lot of, like, macabre in that one.
07:25The Michigan Central tour we're rolling out, that one has four ghost stories.
07:31Some of which are sort of within local legend.
07:36Others are ones that we heard about because we were there on opening night, and we had enough people come
07:41up to us and explain the same thing that was happening to us on July 6, 2024, that we were
07:47like, ah, this seems like we could have some traction here.
07:51So we did some investigation with that, put that on the tour, sort of gave people potential history behind that.
07:57Then the bus tour this year, every bus tour that we do is different.
08:01So we've been doing it for – I believe it's 12 years now.
08:04This will be our 12th year.
08:05And every single year it's different.
08:06Every single year we pick different topics and different ways of looking at things.
08:10This year we're looking at sort of a transportation-centric thing.
08:14We're headed down to the Westcott, which is the world's only floating zip code.
08:17They're going to tell us some of their ghost stories.
08:20We're going to be rolling around there.
08:22We're going to tell the most famous ghost story, railroad ghost story in America that has many different versions in
08:29many different cities in many different places and how it got started.
08:32So that's one of them as well.
08:34Okay, I got you.
08:35So you just mentioned the word investigate.
08:38Have you had paranormal investigators come out with you to some of these places?
08:43Not when I was – not at Detroit History Tours.
08:47I've worked with other paranormal investigators previously when I've worked in smaller museums, whatever else.
08:53The problem with trying to do an investigation on a bus is that typically you have too many people who
08:59want too many different things.
09:00They can't be quiet.
09:01They can't leave stuff alone, et cetera.
09:03So that's typically we kind of shy away from that.
09:05Now, I will tell you a lot of the places that we've gone to in the past have had those
09:10types of people there.
09:12I mean, allegedly the most haunted place in Detroit is the two-way in over on East Side, which, by
09:19the way, is just an absolutely great bar in general.
09:21Super cool.
09:22I think it has the best claim to being the oldest bar in Detroit.
09:25It's one of my favorite places.
09:27They've had investigators out.
09:28I believe another friend of the company, Abex Bar, opposite end of the city, has done the same.
09:37I mean, so – and we've used them in the past as our bar stop for our tours, right, because
09:41there's always a bar stop on a tour typically.
09:44So – and they've had people there, and so what we like to do at those types of places, like
09:49at the bar or at the Westcott, is have people who work there or who are there a lot, whatever
09:55it might be, give us the history.
09:57Give us their version of their ghost story, and we let people figure it out for themselves.
10:01Like, is this real?
10:02Is it not real?
10:03Can you explain it away?
10:04Can you not?
10:05And it adds a really, I think, an important bit of authenticity and also a different voice than just me
10:11talking for three hours on a bus.
10:13Right.
10:13Because God only knows no one wants that.
10:16So this two-way in bar, I was going to ask you, in your opinion –
10:22Yeah.
10:22I mean, you know, you say you're not really – you don't have a paranormal background, but in your opinion,
10:27is that the most haunted place in Detroit, or do you have another place?
10:30I – so there's two places that people will tell me are the most haunted in Detroit.
10:35One is Fort Wayne in Southwest.
10:37I was going to ask you about that, yeah.
10:39Yeah, Fort Wayne.
10:39So Fort Wayne – I love Fort Wayne.
10:41They have a great – their staff person over there, Brenna Grace, is an incredible human being, just an absolutely
10:47top-notch human.
10:49I've been there at almost every hour of the day, and I have felt odd and weird there.
10:57But it's – I think it's because you have a lot of temperature changes as you're getting down towards the
11:01river.
11:01If you go inside the wall, the temperature will drop like crazy, and it just messes with you internally.
11:06Other people claim other things.
11:09I don't necessarily – I mean, I've never – there, I've never experienced anything that I couldn't be like, all
11:14right, I can figure this out.
11:15There are a lot of people who say different.
11:17The two-way is the only place in the city, other than the Guardian building, where I've ever had anything,
11:23anything happen to me that I couldn't figure it out.
11:27And the two-way, there's a lot of – there's a lot of legends.
11:30There's a lot of history there.
11:31There's a lot of stories there.
11:33But the thing that happened to me has happened to other folks.
11:37And I tell people this on tour occasionally.
11:41There's this – I don't remember what the phenomenon is, but it's disembodied voices that sound like people you know,
11:47like calling you and asking you to do something or calling you in.
11:51And so this was my first year on the job, and the two-way was our Halloween bar.
11:55And we're in the middle of the tour run.
11:56And that year was pretty long.
11:58It was like 20 tours in a month, which is a lot for a small company like us.
12:04And so my boss, Bailey, was leading the tour.
12:07She leaves the bar, and it's my job to make sure all tabs are paid.
12:11If anyone's sticking around because they want to hang out at the bar longer, they're not going to get back
12:14on the bus, I make sure that if there's no one like that, everyone's back on the bus so we
12:18can take off, right?
12:20And I'm getting ready to – I sort of gather everybody up, get them outside.
12:24I check with the bartender, and I'm like, hey, any open tabs?
12:27They're like, no, thanks.
12:28We'll see you next time.
12:29Awesome.
12:29I go outside, just outside the door at the two-way, and I hear Bailey's voice, which is distinctive.
12:35It's a distinctive voice yelling for me back inside.
12:38Pollock, come back in.
12:39Pollock, come back in.
12:40And I go back in.
12:41And at the two-way, you have to buzz to get in, right?
12:44It's a buzzer bar.
12:45I buzz to get in.
12:46I go in, and I'm looking around.
12:48I'm looking around.
12:49And the bartender finally asked me, Danielle, she goes, what the hell are you doing?
12:53And I go, I'm looking for Bailey.
12:55She was just – she's like, Bailey hasn't been in here for like 10 minutes.
12:58And I get back on the bus, and there are a few sins at our company that are bad.
13:04And holding up a bus tour is a pretty bad sin, right?
13:07And I get back on, and the owner of Bailey and then our driver, whose name is Wendy, who's the
13:13best damn driver in the business, they're like, what were you doing?
13:16Like, what are you – I'm like, Bailey was inside.
13:18She was yelling at me.
13:19Like, I legitimately thought Bailey was messing with me and had gone out the back door of the two-way,
13:24run around the building and come back in.
13:25I'm like, no, she's been on the bus the whole time.
13:27So we get back to our office after the tour, and I explain what happened.
13:33And apparently, this is just one of the things that we didn't really talk about on the tour beforehand.
13:37This happened all the time at the two-way.
13:39And it's not just Bailey's voice.
13:41Some other people have, like, heard their mother calling for them inside the building, et cetera.
13:45That's the most common one.
13:47And Bailey, who is, in fact, I think six months younger than me, was like, if you ever – if
13:52anyone ever thinks that I'm your mother, you are in deep shit.
13:54So that made it like that.
13:56Well, so that's the only other thing, like, in the city that I've had happen that I'm like, all right,
14:00that's weird.
14:01And then you couple that with all the other stories over at the two-way, I think that place has
14:06a legitimate claim to having some stuff going on over there.
14:09Plus, it's just a historic building, and it's really cool, and I encourage anyone to go over there to have
14:16a beverage if they wish.
14:18I mean, but we go to other places, too, that have their own fair share of ghost stories.
14:22Some of them are comedic.
14:24Like, one year, we had original buddies over Six and Conant on our tour, right?
14:29And they were like, well, we have this one story.
14:31It's not really a ghost story.
14:32We eventually figured out what happened.
14:33I'm like, well, what happened?
14:35So it's the 80s.
14:36This waitress gets yelled at by the manager, and she starts bawling her eyes out, right?
14:41And the manager is like, just go downstairs, take a few minutes, catch up.
14:44Like, you'll be all right.
14:45And they go downstairs, and she's gone.
14:47She disappears.
14:48And this is the only way in and out of the basement.
14:50And then, like, so they go on with the night.
14:53Like, that's really weird.
14:54That's kind of freaky.
14:55And then, like, three or four days later, somebody sees this waitress, like, out in Hamtramck.
15:01Like, she was from Hamtramck.
15:02And they see her there.
15:03And, like, what the hell happened?
15:04How did you get out?
15:05She goes, oh, I climbed up the coal chute.
15:07But there was this big rumor that eventually spawns this ghost story of the disappearing waitress.
15:12And so those sometimes are just as fun as the actual ghost stories.
15:16Like, how ghost stories get started.
15:19And it's usually a misconception.
15:21So that's kind of fun for me.
15:22Now, you mentioned Houdini.
15:25So there must be a lot of Houdini stories.
15:28Oh, absolutely.
15:29So Detroit at one time has the world's second largest theater district behind Broadway.
15:34So Houdini came here a lot.
15:36And it's funny.
15:37When you tell people, when you talk to people about Houdini, they're like, hey, oh, he died when they dropped
15:45him off the MacArthur Bridge going on to Belisle.
15:48Obviously, like, that's when he died.
15:49It's like, no, he just almost died then.
15:51He died in Detroit because he had gotten punched in the stomach right after a show in Montreal.
15:59Basically, a couple guys wanted to see him take a punch from any man.
16:05He gets punched in the stomach.
16:06He eventually falls on the ground.
16:09He goes to Detroit.
16:10And the story goes is that he came to Detroit from Montreal because he's got a two-week engagement at
16:16the Garrick Theater.
16:17The Garrick started its life as the Whitney Opera House, I'm fairly certain.
16:21And the train gets delayed on its way into Detroit.
16:26And when he gets here, his stomach's so swollen that they have to use a hair ribbon from Bess, his
16:33wife, to sort of tie up his pants.
16:35And he goes directly on stage at the Garrick Theater to do his act.
16:42He does the first little bit of his act, but he passes out on stage, right?
16:46He passes out on stage.
16:48He's taken from the theater over to the Statler, which is where he's staying.
16:53The Statler has, like, an internist filling in for the usual hotel doctor.
16:57He misdiagnoses him.
16:59They eventually take him over to the hospital where they're like, oh, this dude has appendicitis.
17:04And they operate on him.
17:05And then Harry Houdini dies in Detroit on October 31st, Halloween.
17:10Yeah.
17:10Right?
17:11Now, put yourself in the shoes of somebody in the audience or somebody from Detroit.
17:14And so Harry Houdini comes to town, and he rushes to stage, and then he passes out on stage.
17:20And then he dies on Halloween of all nights.
17:23Is anyone going to believe him?
17:24And a lot of people didn't.
17:26So there's a crowd that gathers at the funeral home, which is still standing.
17:31It's over on Cass.
17:32It's the old Hamilton funeral home.
17:34It takes Senator Livernoy to come out and be like, hey, you know, he's dead.
17:39You know, magic has died in the Motor City.
17:42Then Harry Houdini eventually is taken out of Detroit to be buried in New York at Michigan Central Station.
17:51So all of these things happen in Detroit.
17:53And there's layers upon layers to that story.
17:56That is the quick and easy version of it.
17:58But it's cool.
17:59I hear tell Detroit Historical Society is putting together an exhibit on Harry Houdini for the 100th anniversary of his
18:05death coming up at the end of the month.
18:08So that'll be at the end of October.
18:09So that'll be cool, too.
18:10Nice little time.
18:11He died in 1926?
18:13Yeah.
18:13Oh, OK.
18:14I didn't realize that.
18:15Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.
18:16I should have mentioned that.
18:17No, no, no.
18:18It's fine.
18:19I knew it was early 1900s.
18:20But, you know, I've been on ghost tours.
18:22I was actually in one in Gettysburg one time.
18:25Yep.
18:25And there was this kid in the middle of the room.
18:29There's about 20 people on this tour.
18:30And at one point, we were upstairs in the third floor of one of the houses that was actually there
18:35when, you know, the Civil War was going on.
18:37Yeah.
18:37And he stopped a tour to inform the tour guide that somebody had their hands on his shoulders.
18:43And, of course, there was nobody there.
18:45Right.
18:45So has there been an instance like that in any of the tours you've taken with any of the people?
18:51As far as with guests?
18:53Yeah.
18:53So we've had a couple of things like that happen.
18:58The most common thing that happens is people, like, picking up, like, orbs or whatever in pictures.
19:03Right.
19:04The funniest thing, the funniest one that happened was we were at Fort Wayne a couple few years ago now.
19:12And there's this, when you go into the fort, you go into the wall itself, basically, to just make layman's
19:18explanation.
19:19And we sort of start our interpretation there.
19:21Like, this is what was going on at this fort at this point in time.
19:25Here's the history of the fort.
19:27Here's the history of the walls, which change over time, too.
19:29And people always take pictures.
19:31You know, we encourage them to do so, because why not?
19:33You never know when you're going to be back at Fort Wayne, right?
19:35The next day, we get an email from this guest.
19:39And this is the best photographic story that I have.
19:42And it's a picture.
19:44And there's no one else in this hallway.
19:45And there's a shadowy figure off to one side, like, just in the picture.
19:50And these two, it's this older couple.
19:53And the woman called us to basically explain why she emailed this to us.
19:57Because we replied, like, hey, give us a call and tell us why you emailed us this picture.
20:01And she's on the phone talking to us.
20:03But I don't know if you've ever heard this.
20:04Like, yeah, an older couple.
20:06And they've been together so long that they argue with each other while they're on the phone.
20:11So they're talking.
20:12And she's explaining what she did with this photo.
20:14And her husband, you can hear him.
20:15He doesn't know I'm there.
20:17And you can hear him in the side.
20:18He's like, that's Jeff.
20:19That's Jeff off to the side.
20:20That's clearly Jeff.
20:21And the woman goes, oh, hush.
20:22That's not Jeff.
20:23That's way too skinny to be Jeff.
20:25Like, you know, like, I still find that funny to this day.
20:28So we've had stuff like that.
20:30And then at the two-way, we've had some things happen.
20:33Like, people can't get into the women's bathroom when there's no one there.
20:37At ABEX, we've had people be like, somebody definitely, like, kind of put their hand on the bottom of my
20:44back to make me move.
20:45And there's no one there, right?
20:47When we were at PLAV post number 10, which is the Polish Legion of American Veterans in Amtramck, we had
20:53somebody who basically kept being like, there's somebody following me upstairs, like, in their upstairs room.
21:00Like, there's somebody been following me.
21:01There's somebody hanging out with me, that type of thing.
21:03I don't think we've ever had anybody claim that there were hands on their shoulders while we were talking.
21:08But, yeah, man.
21:09I mean, things happen.
21:10And you're like, okay, that's kind of weird.
21:12So, yeah, nobody's been scratched or their hair's blown back or anything like that.
21:17No, no.
21:18Yeah.
21:18Yeah, Fort Wayne.
21:19You know, many people have brought up Fort Wayne, but nobody that I've talked to has brought up the two
21:23-way.
21:24People do bring up the Whitney downtown.
21:26Oh, for sure.
21:27Yeah, yeah.
21:28The Whitney has a great reputation for that.
21:31I knew one of their managers, just a great human being, and he had a bunch of stories as well,
21:37like the piano playing at night, like, without anyone being there.
21:41And it's not a player piano.
21:43People seeing other people who clearly didn't belong there at the building.
21:49So, I mean, just crazy stuff.
21:50Yeah, the Whitney also has that reputation as well.
21:53Yeah, they say that ghosts and, you know, aberrations and stuff like that tend to go to places where there
22:00was a lot of trauma and stuff.
22:02You know, Detroit's had its fair share of trauma.
22:04It certainly has.
22:05Over the years.
22:05And so, you know, things like that are probably not that uncommon.
22:10Yeah.
22:10But, I mean, and that's one of the theories, right, is trauma.
22:13Sometimes it's just strong memories in general.
22:15But, yeah, and it's really cool.
22:18They've done some work.
22:20I'm a Civil War guy by trade and training.
22:22So, when you say Gettysburg, I'm like, I know of what you speak.
22:25The battlefield guides, so not the ghost tour guides, but the battlefield guides are like the gold standard of tour
22:31guiding world, right?
22:32Like, they're amazing.
22:33They know they're encyclopedic, and they're great tour guides.
22:36But I go to Gettysburg every year, and this year when I was at the conference, I picked up a
22:41book that was just published by the University of Tennessee Press talking about the prevalence of ghost stories with the
22:48Civil War.
22:49And that's one of their going theories is that it's the trauma and it's the power of those memories that
22:54makes this all happen.
22:55So, absolutely, that line of thinking is one that I'll often talk to folks about.
23:00Like, if there are ghosts here, this is why it's probably this trauma or these strong memories or whatever it
23:05might be.
23:06Yeah, I believe, correct me if I'm wrong, I believe I was in the Hawthorne house.
23:11Is that?
23:11Oh, for sure.
23:12That's definitely one of them, yeah.
23:13Is that what it's called?
23:14Yeah.
23:15So, we were on the third floor, and this is going back like 15 years.
23:18This is before I kind of got into all this stuff, and my wife bought a ghost tour as I
23:23went back to the car to drop something off.
23:24And, of course, I eye-rolled her, and I'm like, oh, God, here we go.
23:27And then that happened.
23:29Yeah, yeah.
23:30So, I mean, there's a lot of diverse opinions within the history world about ghost tours.
23:37I think if they're done correctly without being cheesy and terrible, I think they're great.
23:42I think it's another way to teach people history who might not otherwise want to engage with it.
23:48And you're adding a different lens to it.
23:50And, frankly, I think it's cool.
23:52Like, when I was a kid, they had these, like, ghosts of English castles type show on, like, A&E.
23:58I remember that to this day and how that got me interested in that type of history.
24:03I was already a giant history nerd, but it got me interested in that, like, genre and sphere of history
24:09of English history.
24:10So it's kind of cool.
24:11Yeah.
24:11Yeah, and also, you know, when I went out on that ghost tour in Gettysburg, the sun had set by
24:18the time we got to the battlefield.
24:21And I will tell you this.
24:23There was a certain scent in the air, like, something was, like, there was a burning type scent, but we
24:29couldn't.
24:30I've never smelled it before or after.
24:31Like, I don't know what that was.
24:33And there was nobody around us smoking, but that could be described by a lot of different things.
24:37But I'd never smelled that scent before or after.
24:40And it's like everybody caught it, too.
24:43And it kind of came and went.
24:46Yeah.
24:47And then we took a horse tour through the battlefield the next day, which was pretty cool as well.
24:52That's awesome, man.
24:54No, when we go to Southwest, people pick up our odor, too.
24:56But usually I can explain that one away.
24:58Yeah, that's right.
24:59Yeah, there you go.
25:01Well, as we start to wind things down here, where can people, like, find you guys?
25:06And are there still tours available?
25:09Yeah, we have some bus tickets available and dastardly tour tickets.
25:14And that's the walking one.
25:15Yeah, the walking one.
25:16Yeah, we have both a few available of both.
25:20DetroitHistoryTours.com.
25:22We have our socials, of course, Facebook installed, that other fun stuff.
25:26You can go through that way as well.
25:27And then we might be releasing more Shadows at the Station tickets.
25:33Channel 7 was kind enough to sort of pump that.
25:35And so we sold out in about 45 minutes three different times, which was great.
25:39Yeah.
25:40I am not complaining whatsoever.
25:42But those tours will probably be just after Halloween, still within the spooky season, quote, unquote, but a little bit
25:48after.
25:49So people want to sort of linger with that feeling.
25:51We're going to be able to help them out.
25:52And Detroit History Tours is where you go.
25:54Yeah.
25:54Yeah.
25:54And by the way, when this is released, you'll be selling like three more tickets.
25:59Hey, that's great, man.
26:00I love it.
26:01Hey, listen, three more tickets, five, whatever, whatever we got, man.
26:04I'm super excited for it.
26:05You know, it's funny.
26:06You can even pass this story along if you want to at the train station thing.
26:10But I remember interviewing Josh Homme from Queens of the Stone Age back in 2009, and I was at the
26:15Book Cadillac, and he was playing with them crooked vultures.
26:19And on one side of me is Josh Homme and Dave Grohl.
26:22And right next to me is John Paul Jones from a band called Led Zeppelin.
26:25I could not get my head around that.
26:26I'm like, this guy was in Led Zeppelin.
26:28But anyhow, I think it was off the interview, and Josh Homme said to me, he goes, man, I would
26:34love to buy that train station and keep it just as it is, but make like maybe the upper corner,
26:38top floor into a really cool office for my son.
26:42I never forgot that.
26:44Well, I mean, he had his chance, right?
26:46I mean, I think what the Ford Motor Company has done in there as far as the renovations, which are
26:52ongoing, it's crazy.
26:54I mean, the amount of emergency restoration they had to do after years of neglect to save it, let alone
27:03restore it, is just amazing.
27:04It's astounding stuff.
27:06Yeah, this might sound a little bit crazy, but sometimes, for example, the South Lion Hotel used to have a
27:13lot of activity, and it burned down, and they rebuilt it, and all the activity is gone.
27:19Nobody ever says anything about it.
27:20I wonder if when they, at the train station, it's kind of the same way, and like I said, I
27:24don't want to sound too crazy, but.
27:27So we actually, our stories at the station, let me think about it real quick.
27:33As far as ghost stories go, we have one that is from basically current, and we have two, three that
27:43are from its heyday, and well, no, we have two from its heyday, and one from when it was abandoned.
27:49So we tried to gather up all those eras, in addition to sort of some of the broader Detroit-type
27:55stories that we have in there to sort of connect the station to the rest of the city.
28:00So it's fun.
28:01Yeah, they say sometimes if you restore something or there's old pictures around there, it keeps some of the spirits
28:08kind of, not at bay, but kind of like a little bit more relaxed.
28:12Well, we'll see, man.
28:13We got an iPad loaded with images that our guides are going to be carrying for that, so maybe that'll
28:18cause something or won't.
28:19Who knows?
28:20Yeah.
28:21Well, Jeff, thanks so much for the time.
28:23Everybody can check out DetroitHistoryTours.com.
28:25Really cool, man.
28:26I'm going to have to check out one of these tours one time because I've always thought about it.
28:30You know, you go to Charleston or Gettysburg, there's always tours.
28:33And I always thought to myself, is there something in Detroit?
28:36But I guess there.
28:37I mean, so it's fantastic.
28:39It's one of those things that in Detroit, it's a tough market, right?
28:43It's not as easy as Charleston or New York or Chicago.
28:47But I think it's incredibly fun.
28:51I'm incredibly lucky to be able to do what I do.
28:53And people that come in basically local or you get people from out of town?
28:57A little bit of both.
28:59Surprising.
28:59I mean, our predominant client base for this year anyway has been basically southeastern Michigan as far as public tours
29:09go.
29:09Private tours, we get them from all over the place.
29:11We do get people who will stop into town, especially at Michigan Central.
29:16But not as many Canadians this year for reasons beyond our control.
29:20And we'd love to see them back.
29:21But we absolutely are based, our strongest customer base is Detroit in its suburbs.
29:29So a lot of locals, which is great because on top of giving people history they might not know, you
29:35get to hear their stories as well.
29:37And almost every tour, I learned something new.
29:40And it depends on how good it is, if it's true or not.
29:44So then I get to go research, do more work.
29:46So it's good.
29:47That's cool.
29:47Well, I hope you have a lot more stories to tell this year.
29:49And thanks so much for taking the time.
29:51And we'll push everybody towards your website and toward all your social media.
29:55Absolutely, man.
29:55And we'll get them walking around the streets of Detroit.
29:58Absolutely, man.
29:59Love to see them out.
29:59And thanks a lot, man.
30:00Love being on.