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00:00:03hey hip-hop mission cd family
00:00:12so this is little mc uh liminal spaces wow wow wow
00:00:32okay there you go so you got here we go this is this is this is yeah
00:00:48hey vegan
00:00:52can you hear me can y'all hear me okay yeah yeah now i can hear you
00:00:59so thanks for having me on yeah man welcome to your population tv south africa
00:01:06it's an honor to have you for sure for sure how good days been so far
00:01:13man it's you know the world is a crazy place right now but i'm i'm grateful to be here grateful
00:01:19to be
00:01:19alive to be making music to be healthy to have my son it's a lot to be grateful for
00:01:25wow that's amazing that's amazing and we'll talk later about that i mean uh also your work with
00:01:32the comics so it's amazing too um so yeah i mean i just want to start from the beginning um
00:01:39so so
00:01:40you're from the bay area right yes born and raised bay area i currently live right on the verge of
00:01:49san
00:01:49san francisco and daly city just outside san francisco yeah so so so you come from the areas of the
00:01:58two shorts the e4d military am i correct exactly you got it wow wow that's that's interesting so so so
00:02:07what what do you think um makes uh bay areas like hip-hop culture like different from other regions
00:02:16you know i think we're really kind of known for that hyphy era sound but i think if you actually
00:02:23immerse yourself into the music art and culture scene here you'll see that there's so much diversity
00:02:29one of the most diverse places in the entire world you're gonna see people from all over the country
00:02:34live here in the bay area speak all different languages all different types of religions um sexual
00:02:42identities all different types of ages like we just have such a diverse population here
00:02:47different foods you can get any food that you want here in the bay area you know so that definitely
00:02:53impacts the sound so it's kind of hard to like put us into a box like e40 and too short
00:02:57like that they
00:02:58definitely come from a specific area but we also have you can't forget tupac you know tupac also uh made
00:03:04the majority of his music out here in the bay area as well prior to him going down to la
00:03:08and signing with
00:03:09death row but i just think like the music here is just like you get everything from kind of like
00:03:15uh that hyphy style of music but you have a lot more conscious music revolutionary music social
00:03:20justice music you have music that's really informed by dance because we're big on dancing out here we
00:03:27got so like the 100 105 bpm like if you make a song that's danceable like that always performs really
00:03:33well out here too but we're so diverse and that's something that i'm super proud of is that like
00:03:37you can you can meet any type of person from anywhere in the world that speaks any language
00:03:41and it's it's normal it's like every day whoa whoa that's amazing so so how was it like i mean
00:03:48like
00:03:48growing up there because i mean you're exposed to so many things and was there a moment where it felt
00:03:55like maybe it might be too overwhelming because maybe there's certain principles that maybe you
00:04:01learned from home or was it more or were you also in a family like that was more like diverse
00:04:07and
00:04:07open-minded yeah i actually so my my dad is from venezuela and my mom is from florida she's irish
00:04:15so
00:04:16i'm biracial so i was already raised bicultural biracial and so that's just something that's very
00:04:22normal to me i actually get a lot of culture shock when i go to places that are more homogenized
00:04:27right
00:04:28like i i went and visited taiwan and in taiwan it's like everybody there's you know mostly
00:04:33taiwanese chinese right um and it was it was weird i was like man there's nobody that that looks you
00:04:39know like me in any way but it's cool you learn a lot even going to other parts of the
00:04:42same country
00:04:43actually from the same state if you go to just five hours south of where i live it's also very
00:04:50homogenized just one race of people one way very linear thinking so i enjoy being from the bay area but
00:04:56i always just have to keep in mind that i'm going to go to other places i'm going to travel
00:04:59and
00:05:00there's going to be um groups of people that really think and look and practice the same rituals and
00:05:05i have to be open-minded to that and not be so um you know just so insulated in like
00:05:11my super
00:05:11progressive upbringings i guess wow wow that's that's kind of interesting yeah sure right wow yeah
00:05:23yeah so like is there like a particular venue or like um an experience like back home like you feel
00:05:33like uh played a significant role um in shaping the artist that you became you know what i always
00:05:44hearken back to and it's so interesting that you bring this up is the first time i decided to just
00:05:52go full force into artistry it was after a really difficult time in my life is when i split up
00:05:57with
00:05:57my son's father and before then i was like man i can't be an artist i gotta be a mom
00:06:02i gotta be
00:06:03responsible i gotta go to school i gotta look a certain way and at that moment i was just like
00:06:07man i'm gonna just do this like i have nothing left to lose and i went to this underground rap
00:06:12battle
00:06:12in oakland and that was in 2014 so that was 12 years ago first time i ever rap battled and
00:06:19i was the
00:06:19only woman there um and i made it to the to the third round you know which is pretty dope
00:06:25i actually
00:06:25met one of my my best friends there i met a lot of great people and i've been rocking with
00:06:30that same
00:06:30collective they used to go by the name turrets without regrets now they go with ruckus revival
00:06:34and i actually performed with them to a sold-out show just this friday and it's just beautiful to
00:06:40see like over the course of 12 years that really was kind of like that pivotal moment for my artistry
00:06:44like i had to be like brave enough to rap battle freestyle off the top of the dome in front
00:06:50of like
00:06:50500 people and that allowed a lot of doors to open for me i was able to network and then
00:06:56people really
00:06:57started taking me seriously as a rapper and now 12 years later it's like my profession you know that's
00:07:01what i do for a living whoa so so before before we continue you mentioned that um your best friend
00:07:09can we please give a shout out because i mean as emcees we hardly ever you know give props to
00:07:15some
00:07:15of the people that supported us you know so i want us to give a shout out what's in it
00:07:20i love that we're
00:07:22doing this so this is my friend mike fish he actually passed away two weeks ago um it was really
00:07:28hard for
00:07:28me and you know the hip-hop community but that was my big bro um man love him so much
00:07:34definitely want to
00:07:35shout him out he's an amazing artist please go go tap in with his music he has tons of albums
00:07:40with
00:07:41such a talented beautiful loving soul yeah his artist name is mike fish he's passed on but will never be
00:07:47forgotten yeah well condolences to you and and uh and his family um thank you much love much love
00:07:57and you also mentioned i mean um you better rapping it exposed you to so many opportunities right
00:08:07i'm not sure if i if i if i'm if i'm correct i saw a way there were it was
00:08:12mentioned that you actually
00:08:13even shared stages like with two shorts and e40 um how do you feel like um that moment was like
00:08:23for you
00:08:25to share stages with two for uh too short and e40 yeah that was actually the same show it was
00:08:32a festival
00:08:32uh it was a festival in monterey uh which is just um like two hours south of where i'm at
00:08:39it was called
00:08:40the smoked out barbecue and yeah the headliners were too short uh e40 ramirez there was a bunch of other
00:08:48artists um and so that was probably the biggest festival i had performed at up until that point in my
00:08:54career man when was that that must have been like maybe 2022 i can't remember the exact year
00:09:01but man it was a it was a crazy moment it was it was one of those moments where i
00:09:07was like man i want
00:09:07to do this i want to i want to perform on festival stages like this is fun this is where
00:09:11you get to
00:09:12see so many different types of acts different types of people get exposed to your music um and
00:09:17that from that like that was one of those moments where i was like how can i make it so
00:09:21i make music
00:09:22that translates to enough people where i get booked for more festival stages and i can travel
00:09:28all over the world whoa whoa and you know i was also like given um checking your music right um
00:09:39seeing
00:09:39how your background has also like a huge influence in your music because i mean not only do you like
00:09:46write in english and like you also write in spanish right so when when you're writing a song do you
00:09:54sometimes um like uh hear the lyrics in a particular language first
00:10:10you're trying to communicate sorry the airplane going overhead um yeah i i think that when i'm
00:10:21writing it's i usually go in with certain intentions i start writing through cadences and so the cadence
00:10:30and the flow when you write in spanish is so different than english i'm sure i mean it's so
00:10:36interesting because we're one of the only countries where people can just exist with only knowing
00:10:42english and you go to other parts of the world and most people it's very natural to speak more than
00:10:46one language so um i learned spanish second that was my second language and it's easier to speak it than
00:10:54to wrap it and to write it but if i know that i really want to make a song that's
00:10:59primarily in
00:11:00spanish i'm thinking of the cadence and the flow first and then kind of plugging in the words and
00:11:07the messaging after because to me it's like music is a universal language people can understand what
00:11:13you're saying and not speak the language if they can feel the emotion and that flow that drum pattern
00:11:18right like there's certain drum patterns that if it's like right it's kind of like a moving forward
00:11:23right you're like almost like a warrior type of drum pattern we hear it in like favela funk we hear
00:11:28it in reggaeton you hear it in afro beats like that kind of like progression forward and then you
00:11:32have like a more slumpier like boom bap beat right and that type of beat is intended i think of
00:11:37it as
00:11:37very grimy it's very industrial it's very lyric driven it's very slow you're supposed to sit there
00:11:42with the lyrics right so maybe something like that i might lean more into like english and then you have
00:11:47trap which is literally just like very very fast right and that's all about flow that's all about
00:11:53cadence and really doesn't have much to do with like not not as uh heavy on the lyrical content
00:12:00because it's just about vibes so depending on like what my intention is that's probably gonna
00:12:05like help me figure out am i gonna make this in english it's gonna be spanglish this is gonna be
00:12:09spanish um but yeah just it has to like fit with whatever the intent of the song is cool so
00:12:17do you
00:12:17feel like that also kind of like um because like with most with most people
00:12:31sorry say that one more time this airplane going overhead is making it hard to hear i heard boom
00:12:36bad oh okay okay i'm not bad uh i'll try to speak louder so so i was saying like i
00:12:42mean um do you
00:12:44feel like it it had an influence in making you different and unique because in most cases with
00:12:51battle rappers they just stick to just boom bap only yeah you know so with battle rap i always tell
00:12:58people like i'm really grateful that i got you know my foot in the door through battle rap because battle
00:13:03rapping teaches you to have thick skin right like people can say terrible horrible things about me
00:13:09and i kind of just let it bounce off me unless they talk about my son or something like that
00:13:14but for the most part like i'm able to just kind of like let it kind of like flow off
00:13:17of me um and i
00:13:19think it also helps you like perform well under pressure and it helps you really develop punch lines
00:13:23it's like very punchline heavy but battle rap was never where i wanted to end up it was just how
00:13:28i
00:13:28wanted to get in the door um so for me like i've always been like a genre bending artist i
00:13:34like so
00:13:35many different types of music and i never wanted to put myself and lock myself into a box like just
00:13:40boom bap or just west coast i want to create my own soundscapes and i want my voice and my
00:13:47messaging
00:13:47to be the cohesive element that threads through so you could hear me on a boom bap beat maybe something
00:13:52that's super industrial super grimy but then the same way you could hear me singing on like an r&b
00:13:57um
00:13:58maybe like an r&b like reggaeton type type song but like you would still know it's me just from
00:14:03like
00:14:04how i make it uniquely my own versus like getting locked into a genre box
00:14:11forward forward and so what made you also um oh yeah i saw i saw also that you actually learned
00:14:19um
00:14:19how to play the piano
00:14:23yeah that was the first instrument i played i started playing piano when i was around six and then i
00:14:30became
00:14:30classically trained when i was seven and i didn't i i was you know trained in piano for
00:14:37smang like seven years so i i feel like having the ability to read music has really helped me
00:14:45develop as a producer i learned how to produce years later but playing piano is helpful because
00:14:50it just helps you develop scales keys chords um and just be able to kind of like create your own
00:14:57sound versus always having to like rely on a producer or if you are relying on a producer you
00:15:02can communicate and articulate what it is you want because you understand music theory
00:15:08whoa so so you also feel like that also had an influence in you also understanding rhythm
00:15:16yeah rhythm is interesting so i also played percussion when i was in middle school i was in the band
00:15:22and
00:15:23the instrument i played was like drums and percussion and bells so that helped me a lot with rhythm but
00:15:29it's also just something that's kind of inherent in me um i will tell you this i'm a terrible dancer
00:15:34like i i could do like a little whatever but i do not dance at all but when it comes
00:15:38to rhythmically
00:15:40speaking or flow like i will outflow everybody i don't know it's just something that is i think it
00:15:47comes with number one with practice with consuming a lot of different types of music but it's something
00:15:52that's just inside you you know it's very it's in our nature to speak rhythmically to communicate
00:15:57rhythmically to like bang you know you just sit here and you just bang on on whatever's in front
00:16:02of you like that's just part of being human that's what makes us different from other other species i
00:16:07think yeah yeah but but i guess like uh it's it's uh it's a common thing because i mean like
00:16:14you even
00:16:14you even find like mostly uh some djs that can't even dance so so don't beat yourself up too much
00:16:22about it
00:16:24i know someday some it's just because everyone in the bay dances so good it's intimidating
00:16:30okay okay i understand i understand so so tell me so um when you're producing a song right um
00:16:40around an idea maybe some like maybe that you've written right um can a sound or an instrument inspire
00:16:50an entirely new concept or do you listen to the song do you listen to the instrument mental first
00:16:57and then uh get get ideas or do you prefer uh writing first and then creating uh
00:17:07an instrumental for that idea you've already written i love that question so i like to write to the actual
00:17:16instrumental but i will come into the studio with ideas about what i want it to sound like
00:17:21so usually how i start like let's just say my album for example because my album is very intentional
00:17:26i'm writing it writing an entire screenplay and so all the entire album is based off the screenplay
00:17:32specifically the dreams that happen in the screenplay so i have a dream and then i write it into my
00:17:37screenplay and then i create a song based off that dream that's in the screenplay so it's like very
00:17:42multi-layered but i'll go to my producer my producer will stop making things i'll be there
00:17:47with him i'm like i like that speed that up add this melody add some horns right and then i'll
00:17:53have
00:17:53a rough idea like i'll have a song title maybe like liminal spaces for example like i knew that that
00:17:59one
00:17:59i was i knew i wanted to write about something dreamy a liminal space is a space in a dream
00:18:04that
00:18:04you have to go through repeatedly that's like very empty and eerie and like until you figure out
00:18:08what the dream is trying to tell you you can't escape that liminal space and move on from the
00:18:12dream so it's very deep so you know i try to make my my songs as intentional and multi-layered
00:18:17as
00:18:17possible if it's something that's for like a project um but i don't really write lyrics and
00:18:23stuff until i have at least a skeleton of a beat because the music has to inform how the song
00:18:29is
00:18:29written i might go with concepts ideas but like actual lyrics like i feed off the beat
00:18:35wow wow and i was just playing it right now that that's that's crazy so so like
00:18:42are you saying like all your songs are like inspired from dreams or are there also other
00:18:48like particular experiences that that um that influence your music yeah definitely not all of
00:18:55them just for this album this album is i'm trying to make like a body of work that stands the
00:19:01test of
00:19:01time like a to pimp a butterfly or miseducation to lauren hill type of project but i write a lot
00:19:07of
00:19:08songs all the time um so not all of them are are that you know multi-layered but if i
00:19:14am just writing
00:19:14a song you know usually i pull i like to pull from art like i'm very inspired by art by
00:19:21books by literature
00:19:23by science fiction i go to museums i'm inspired by nature i'm inspired by just like observing human
00:19:30behavior i find so interesting the one thing i don't really write about ever is romance i do not
00:19:37write about love like i'm not like a rmb singer type of person but you seem like a very
00:19:45i know but i love writing about yeah like like philosophy philosophical stuff uh the quantum realm space
00:19:57like things that fascinate me i don't know maybe something about romance it just feels like overdone
00:20:03and i just i never feel that inspired to do that oh okay did you feel like maybe you're able
00:20:11to express
00:20:11that like um maybe in screenplays or videos because i like i saw like some of your videos like you
00:20:18know
00:20:20um you have those intimate uh moment with certain people yes yes there's a way that i like to thread
00:20:30in intimacy that's not so on the nose i think that's what it is you know like i i think
00:20:36intimacy is so
00:20:37important as a part of what makes us human also which i'm also very fascinated in but i think it's
00:20:43so
00:20:43difficult to like to just put love and just narrow it down to something like relationships right love
00:20:50is so crazy if we we go to war over love right like we destroy our lives over love like
00:20:56i want to explore
00:20:57that versus just like he won't call me back she won't answer my texts like you know like those to
00:21:03me
00:21:04seem so minimal in comparison to how powerful this concept of love is and like i'm more drawn to explore
00:21:10that than kind of like the surface level stuff wow so so basically uh do you feel like there are
00:21:20certain
00:21:20ideas um that you have that would i would rather work on on visuals but would never work or in
00:21:30terms of
00:21:31writing do you feel like it doesn't help you express enough in writing or maybe even vice versa maybe
00:21:40you expressing it on on the screenplay is not enough so you feel like expressing it on on on
00:21:47lyrics is much better yeah that's so dope i love that you asked that i because i think about that
00:21:53all
00:21:53the time like there's certain there are certain concepts that a song can just not capture in four
00:21:59minutes you know it's so small it's so short it's like a chapter of a book in something as grandiose
00:22:05as
00:22:06love like i will in my screenplay there's love in there and it's something that i want that i want
00:22:11you to read it and to like hit you right there like really feel that visuals you can kind of
00:22:16you can
00:22:17express love a little bit more right um and i'm not saying you can't express love in through a song
00:22:22and
00:22:23through a message but there are just certain like certain aspects of my life for instance like love
00:22:27plays a deep role in my life because it's all interwoven with like trauma and what made me the way
00:22:33that
00:22:33i am in in a lot of the area gray areas of confusion in my life come from this like
00:22:38intersects between
00:22:39love betrayal harm trauma sex like all of these things right that i feel like i can better communicate
00:22:47in something like a screenplay or a comic book than in a song so sometimes yeah i find different
00:22:53modalities oh gosh seems like i lost me oh no you lost me megan yes uh
00:23:04my family and it seems like i lost you for a second there okay my bad am i back yeah
00:23:10you're back you're
00:23:11back now you're back uh you were mentioning um experiences like in trauma and uh betrayal
00:23:21yeah just how i think that there's different artistic modalities where you can kind of express
00:23:26something that's so multi-layered um and kind of touches on all these intersections
00:23:35a little bit better through something like a comic book or a screenplay
00:23:40so sometimes i like if i'm gonna dabble in the areas of love rather than just being like some
00:23:45superficial love romance it's like i will express it in a comic book of like wow i was betrayed here
00:23:51it caused me to not trust people it allows me it has caused confusion about relationships and trust and
00:23:58um you know physical intimacy and what's safe for me and like i can put that more
00:24:03in depth into like a comic book or a screenplay rather than a song
00:24:09oh that that's yeah yeah wow so so um do you do you ever know when it's right when it's
00:24:21the right
00:24:21thing to put this certain expression in a song or put it in a visual like do you like follow
00:24:30do you do
00:24:31you make that uh decision or judgment based on uh looking at the facts or you just follow your intuition
00:24:43uh perhaps faith or what i mean yeah no i think a lot i mean everything that i do creative
00:24:51wise
00:24:51or anything in the realm of creativity is all rooted in faith and intuition because the way i view it
00:24:59and
00:24:59everyone has their own perspectives on god and whatnot but creativity is a we are a conduit to source
00:25:06so my most purest forms of art is when i remove my ego and i remove whatever perceptions i want
00:25:13people
00:25:13to have on me and i try my best to let source deliver the message to me and i am
00:25:19just you know
00:25:19the vessel for which i can create it whether that comes in a musical form visual artists or like written
00:25:26you know what i'm saying and i try my best to just listen constantly and that that came from years
00:25:31of me just sitting with myself and and identifying um what voices in my head are speaking to me out
00:25:37of
00:25:38ego out of fear out of shame and what voices in my head are more divine speaking to me courageously
00:25:44telling me to act on on instinct and faith and intuition versus like just trying to follow
00:25:50a formula of success which i try my best not to do whoa whoa and um well because uh i
00:26:00know like i'm also
00:26:01like it's it's uh it's challenging like um uh being being a woman in in uh in hip-hop right
00:26:10um and then also
00:26:15being like uh an artist that stands for truth and you stand for justice and in in use also stating
00:26:26the
00:26:26fact that um you see yourself as a vessel as someone who passes the message do you do you think
00:26:35in this
00:26:35era um the industry is now more open to to to allowing um women in in in creative spaces uh
00:26:49to express
00:26:50themselves in that way considering the fact that you've also built like um queens of the underground
00:27:01yeah i think that the industry has its own motives and incentives and i spent the last eight years of
00:27:08my life studying this while working for different non-profits primarily a non-profit called hip-hop for
00:27:13change so maybe that maybe the industry is going to open themselves up to artists that have um more
00:27:22substantial messaging and maybe they won't but i don't really care because i don't really care to be
00:27:28a mega superstar i just want to have as much of a positive global impact as possible and i have
00:27:35so many artists that i admire that admire that remained independent and have creative control
00:27:40over their music and their messaging and their albums and all of that and they never had to sign
00:27:45to a label that controlled their content and they could continue to survive and actually thrive
00:27:49off of building a fan base that align with those messages so yeah i do think that we're always going
00:27:55to be we're always they're always going to try to put us in this box of hypersexuality because
00:28:00sex is a commodity they've commodified our bodies since the beginning of time it's the oldest industry
00:28:06in the world is prostitution right so they're always going to look at us and objectify us and want us
00:28:10to
00:28:10just be presented in a way that's uh sexually and visually appealing but my job as the artist is to
00:28:17resist that as much as possible and to try to reach as many minds and as many people as possible
00:28:22and show them that there's so much more behind the visual aesthetic behind the surface that's going
00:28:27on in our minds and our hearts and that we are worthy of more attention than just the attention that
00:28:32we
00:28:32garner um from sex appeal oh well that that's amazing and and i mean like with with the the longest
00:28:43experience that you've had um yeah that that's amazing did you do do you do you like feel like um
00:28:54as time went by um there's so many because you because you're um you're a very versatile person
00:29:03um do you feel like there's certain things that you've learned and then there's certain things that
00:29:08you have to learn yeah that's a great question being an artist everything is about learning and
00:29:17unlearning i would say um because there's nobody's going to give you the blueprint they don't want
00:29:23you to succeed it's very it's a very gate-kept industry you can't you can go to school you know
00:29:28and and get a degree in audio engineering but there's no way there's no career pathway like go to
00:29:33school and become a successful rapper right so i've learned the hard way and i've also recognized
00:29:40the unlearning is unlearning that um the truest most authentic form of me is that inner child
00:29:48that child version of me oh are you losing me guys i think i'm having a challenge with the network
00:30:00megan can you hear me yeah i can hear you is it me yeah you keep cutting i don't know
00:30:07if it's me or
00:30:08you i don't know i'll let me go try to find somewhere close uh let me go see if i
00:30:12can change
00:30:13my location real quick okay no problem okay guys let's just wait for for megan i'm gonna play
00:30:21liminal spaces this is a this is an amazing song
00:30:33so guys do check it out uh little mc and who's liminal spaces
00:30:42wow
00:30:59i'm sure if you guys can get
00:31:25Let's go.
00:31:57Let's go.
00:32:01Oh, learning and unlearning stuff in the music industry.
00:32:05Yes, yes, yes, yes. Learning and unlearning.
00:32:09You were explaining that. Could you kind of repeat that?
00:32:12Yeah. So I think, like I was saying, like, there's no blueprint to success as a musician, especially not a
00:32:19rapper. So you kind of have to learn that the hard way. And that comes from networking, trial and error,
00:32:24building community, research, all of those things.
00:32:28But the unlearning part, I think, is there are so many lies spun about what you need to do to
00:32:34be a successful artist.
00:32:35Like there's literally people that profit off of gatekeeping information and then feeding you little bits of information so that
00:32:42they can, like, build their own, you know, whatever funnels and music marketing businesses and things like that.
00:32:49And then you get kind of swept up into that, right? You're like, OK, I need to do this to
00:32:53go viral. I need to look this way in order to get a brand partnership. And what you lose along
00:32:58the way is like your true authentic artistry.
00:33:00So I think you have to remember, like, unlearn everything and all the conditioning that the world has kind of
00:33:07like put upon you and go back to that inner child, like that very most authentic child form of yourself
00:33:13that just wanted to create for the sake of genuine, unfiltered creation.
00:33:18And that's like the part of me that I try to go back to. And I try to nurture as
00:33:22much as possible as my inner child, because my inner child been been an artist since I was five.
00:33:26So that's how I know. So that's how I know when I'm creating from that space, like I'm making her
00:33:31proud. I'm I'm, you know, fulfilling my destiny in a sort of way.
00:33:38Well, so is that the reason you felt the reason you felt you had to be an educator?
00:33:48So education was something I fell into. I actually ended up graduating from college with a degree in psychology and
00:33:57Spanish studies.
00:33:58And I realized I was kind of doing all of this for the wrong reasons, because I felt societally pressured,
00:34:05pressured from my family, pressured from the fact that I have a son.
00:34:09And, you know, obviously, all of these things that are valid, like you need to find a career.
00:34:13But I wasn't happy and I knew it wasn't what I was meant to be doing. So I looked into
00:34:18hip hop education work out here in the Bay Area.
00:34:21There's actually a plethora of different nonprofits where you can.
00:34:26Like find a sustainable career in hip hop education, and I would argue that I'm probably one of the best
00:34:31hip hop educators there is like I feel very grounded in that was selected to be part of this program
00:34:35called Next Level.
00:34:36It's like a very prestigious cultural exchange program. Only, you know, four MCs are selected per year.
00:34:48And I was one of those four. I've done three different cultural exchange programs in Grenada, Taiwan, and El Salvador.
00:34:56And I can teach so many different I've built curriculums, I've built programs, I've spoken at Berkeley at UC Berkeley,
00:35:04as well as I've spoken at Google and taught hip hop history, beat making, songwriting, comic book writing.
00:35:11So I fell in love with building curriculum and teaching because that's really what hip hop is all about, right?
00:35:17It's like about building this intergenerational bridge from the next generation so that they can continue building on this collective
00:35:24conscious and collective knowledge of the culture of hip hop.
00:35:28Otherwise, it's going to die out. That's why hip hop survived and disco died, right?
00:35:31Disco only lasted around 10 years if you think about it. Hip hop started in the same decade, 1973 as
00:35:37disco.
00:35:38And hip hop is still thriving and strong as long as we remember to continue educating the youth.
00:35:44Yeah, true, true. But I think you'd be a great psychologist because, I mean, do you not somehow think that
00:35:53kind of, like, influenced you into everything?
00:35:55Because, like, you did better rap and, I mean, better rap is, like, the pressure to, like, think of lines
00:36:05at a moment you're under pressure and also, like, you're trying to understand the cycle of your opponent.
00:36:15And you're in this movement and you're in this movement called hip hop, which is also, like, a collective consciousness.
00:36:20Do you not think that you would have been, like, a great, like, psychologist?
00:36:25Maybe you'd be, like, someone who could actually, like, speak with a lot of artists, like, who are, who went
00:36:35through so much experiences.
00:36:40I think, like, I think, like, a lot of creative people have went through so much depression and all those
00:36:45kind of type of things.
00:36:47Yeah, I mean, I would argue that you're absolutely right that, I mean, artists go through a lot of trauma,
00:36:54but specifically hip hop is kind of born of generational collective trauma.
00:37:02And I do, I'm, like, super grateful for the fact that I graduated with a degree in psychology.
00:37:07I mostly think that I went down that path to understand my own brain, which was, you know, befuddling everybody
00:37:15around me.
00:37:16They're like, why is she like this? What is wrong with her? She's so crazy. She's so sad and angry
00:37:21at the world.
00:37:22And I was like, man, I just had to go through my own exploration to help understand what was going
00:37:26on.
00:37:26And it helped me a lot. But I would, I mean, that's something, hey, if my path leads me down
00:37:32somewhere that has an intersection between hip hop and psychology and helping others, I would love to do that.
00:37:38Yeah. Whoa. So do you ever feel like there was ever a moment, like, you felt like maybe something that
00:37:46you never understood about yourself and you were like, whoa.
00:37:50Or, like, why didn't I think of this?
00:37:55Every day. Every day is one of those whoa moments. I try to have a whoa moment every day. That's
00:38:02how I know I'm doing something right and I'm staying present.
00:38:06It's those times when I'm just so distractive and anxious and wrapped up in this, you know, cycle of capitalism
00:38:13and consumerism that I don't have whoa moments.
00:38:15But all the time. I mean, like, you could look at my son and become an artist, for instance, I
00:38:23had my son because I had a near-death car experience that forced me to become sober.
00:38:28A month later, a month later, I found out I was pregnant. I decided to keep my son. And my
00:38:34love for my son really forced me to, like, start examining my life and stop doing things that were so
00:38:42dangerous.
00:38:45And through that process allowed me to kind of then through sobriety, through reflection, through self-betterment, understand myself better
00:38:55and become a better artist.
00:38:56So it's like my whole life is riddled with these things where it's like, man, if that hadn't happened, I
00:39:00wouldn't be doing this.
00:39:04Oh, oh. And did you feel like there needs to be maybe more programs of addressing the issue of drugs
00:39:18and alcoholism in the creative spaces?
00:39:22Yeah, I think that, you know, there's a big misconception that successful rappers are all addicts and on drugs and
00:39:32alcohol.
00:39:33But a lot of these rappers that are successful and have long, sustainable careers are sober.
00:39:41And they just have some sort of, you know, brand endorsement by, like, Jack Daniels or something like that.
00:39:49Like, Nicki Minaj. Like, she's been sober forever and she's always marketing alcohol. Same with 50 Cent.
00:39:54And it's like they're both like billionaires. So it's actually kind of messed up.
00:40:00That's one of the one brand deals that I'll never take a partnership with, no matter how much money they
00:40:04give me.
00:40:04Like, it was so hard for me to get sober and I've seen so many people's lives just go in
00:40:09a downward spiral because of alcohol.
00:40:12I will never promote alcohol to young people to pay for my music.
00:40:16So I do think there needs to be more programs because you get sucked into the cycle of abuse and
00:40:21it's never, it's comorbid, right?
00:40:23So, like, you have addiction is like just, you're just trying to medicate a larger problem and it's just one
00:40:30of the symptoms.
00:40:31But it's like all rooted from trauma, something that happened to you and other mental health diagnoses that's untreated.
00:40:37So, yeah, I think that in the music industry in particular and with young people, we definitely need more programs
00:40:43addressing that.
00:40:46Wow. Wow, that's cool. That's cool.
00:40:52Yeah, you're a very interesting lady.
00:40:54Like, um, I really know, to be honest, I don't know where to start, but there's so much about you.
00:41:07Okay, so with your current project, right, let's talk about your current project, um, Flex Mokwina.
00:41:16What inspired that?
00:41:18Okay, so yeah, that's, that was my first, like, full-length solo project that I dropped, Flex Mokwina.
00:41:25It's actually a play on the word or the title Ex Mokwina.
00:41:30Ex Mokwina is like, it's a science fiction movie, but it's kind of like the idea, it's about someone who's
00:41:39trying to essentially, like, create artificial intelligence,
00:41:43which has already been done, um, and doesn't worry about the repercussions of creating such artificial intelligence,
00:41:50which is something we're seeing right now as well.
00:41:52So, I really am fascinated by our fixation on trying to play God as humans.
00:42:00Like, you know, we, we don't care.
00:42:03We want technological advancement with no regard for the repercussions or how is, if it's going to destroy humanity,
00:42:09if it's going to be, like, a Terminator-type situation, so that was, like, the, the, like, kind of underlying
00:42:13concept of that album.
00:42:15But that album is not as, you know, like, intentional as my upcoming project,
00:42:20because I just wanted to create something that showcased all the different lanes that I could go in.
00:42:25I wanted to work with producers from all over the country and all over the world,
00:42:29and also, like, different rappers from all over the country and all over the world, different genres.
00:42:34Um, so, I mean, all under the umbrella of hip-hop, but, like, you'll have, like, drill songs,
00:42:38you'll have boom-bap, you'll have Jersey Club, you'll have favela funk.
00:42:40I wanted to play with English and play with Spanish, play with, like, EDM sounds.
00:42:44So, that project was really just a way to kind of show people, like, yo, this is Low LMC.
00:42:48These are all the different things that I can do.
00:42:50And my whole brand and aesthetic is really rooted in, like, the science fiction dystopian exploration of humanity.
00:42:58Whoa, whoa.
00:42:59So, so, so, so, well, you're always, like, into science fiction and, and, uh,
00:43:07and then, uh, so, so, so, like, thing, being a kid at school,
00:43:12but you're also, like, on the, seen as the nerdy types.
00:43:17Not, uh, as a kid, I, it depends how old you go.
00:43:22I mean, I wasn't always, like, super into science fiction.
00:43:25I actually grew more fascinated with science fiction as I got older.
00:43:30I took science fiction literature classes in college.
00:43:33I started reading graphic novels, um, like, Dune and, um,
00:43:38Dwayne Droid's Dream of Electric Sheep, War of the Worlds, um, The Left Hand of Darkness.
00:43:44Just, like, incredible literature.
00:43:46Not this, like, you know, super blockbuster movie type of stuff.
00:43:52Like, really, really, really fascinating ways to kind of, I just think that science fiction
00:43:59allows us to explore things without hitting it on the nose.
00:44:02Like, there's so many symbolic layers.
00:44:04Like, even, like, Star Wars, right?
00:44:05Like, that's one of my favorite, um, favorite movies, favorite books, favorite comics, Star Wars.
00:44:10And it's, like, it's so multi-layered.
00:44:11Like, when you think about the Force, like, the Force to me is, like, you can think of it as,
00:44:15like,
00:44:15the Buddhist principle, but you also think about the Force as God, right?
00:44:18And, um, the Sith is, like, this negative energy, this dark side of us that we all possess,
00:44:23this monster within us all that we want to be powerful.
00:44:26And it's sometimes so much easier to lean into the darkness within us.
00:44:29And so I just, I love the way that science fiction allows you to explore these things
00:44:32in a more, like, conceptual, symbolic way, um, without having to make it something that's so direct.
00:44:39Like, you have to really dig deep, and you can find all of these layers.
00:44:42Like, it's, like, it's, it's, like, you're watching something, but you're not watching it passively.
00:44:47You have to be a part of it in order to, like, figure out what's going on.
00:44:51Cool.
00:44:52Cool.
00:44:52So do you feel, like, um, maybe, uh, as human beings, we might, uh, think that we're helping,
00:45:02but, um, maybe whatever that we're trying to do, and then it becomes an obsession to an,
00:45:08to an extent that, um, it destroys without us realizing it, or we're just too naive to,
00:45:17to, to, to see that way.
00:45:18For example, maybe, like, people who created, um, the industrial revolutions or, you know,
00:45:24or the technology and, and in the name of trying to, uh, advance, uh, human life and, you know,
00:45:35but then at the same time, then there's the dangers and the results of, of, of global warming.
00:45:44Yeah.
00:45:45Like, do you think there's a way to balance that?
00:45:50I mean, I think you're onto something.
00:45:52I think we do a lot of things in the name of advancement.
00:45:56I think we aren't here right now.
00:45:58If we aren't rushing to beat China, to create the, the next killer robot or something, you
00:46:05know, it's like, we're constantly, I mean, at least coming from the U S like, it just seems
00:46:09like everything is a competition to get to somewhere first.
00:46:11And we're completely disregarding the impact that it has on the planet.
00:46:16And as we constantly remove ourself from our humanity, we're, and move closer to tech,
00:46:22uh, to technological advancement.
00:46:25I think that we actually become, uh, less evolved.
00:46:30I think the more we try to try to escape reality, like, so if you think about this, right,
00:46:35like we all have our own, we're all living in our own reality, our own reality that like
00:46:40we get information in through our senses and it creates this world that we live in, but
00:46:44only we live in that world.
00:46:45Everyone else has their own reality.
00:46:47And then we have these shared realities.
00:46:49And instead of constantly like reflecting internally, like meditation, sitting with yourself, trying
00:46:54to find joy and gratitude, we externalize everything.
00:46:58Like, how can I like, like find happiness?
00:47:01Oh, I need to buy this.
00:47:02Oh, I need to get a million likes or views on Instagram or YouTube or whatever.
00:47:06It's like all external validation.
00:47:07And as that becomes the norm and it trickles down into the next generation, like we're
00:47:13going to be less evolved.
00:47:15We're not going to be like ancient civilizations, like the ancient Egyptians or the Incas.
00:47:20We're going to be like cavemen people that have no connection to spirituality or humanity.
00:47:26So I think about that or, or the natural world, man, that's, that's the biggest problem.
00:47:30We're so disconnected from nature.
00:47:32Like we, we, we'd rather go into like a, a virtual reality, Nick, uh, you know, like
00:47:40a meta virtual reality to experience the Himalayas than actually go outside and like hike on
00:47:45a mountain and like smell the trees and the air and everything.
00:47:49It's just, I don't know.
00:47:50It's crazy to me.
00:47:54But you mentioned very interesting, uh, uh, uh, uh, particular civilizations like the Incas
00:48:02and the Sumerians and, and, um, of sort, right.
00:48:07Okay.
00:48:08Like I said, like I said, I really think you would have been a great psychologist.
00:48:11So, so, so, so from a psychological perspective, what, what do you think are the causes of this?
00:48:18Um, do you think, um, the, the, the, the, something that can, that, that can be dealt with
00:48:29it, um, mentally, because I mean, we're living in, in, in an, like, it's, like you mentioned,
00:48:35we're living in an era where, uh, we're seeking validation and we're seeking that is, um, external
00:48:43because even, even the sense of, um, of, uh, our ideas of who God is, is, it's always, even
00:48:52in an, in an external concept, never in the sense of within.
00:48:58How do you think, um, uh, we unlearn that or, yeah.
00:49:06Um, sorry, I was hearing background noise in my, um, will you say the last sentence one
00:49:10more time?
00:49:11I heard my son talking in the background.
00:49:14I love that, you know, way, way you actually cause your multiple times, but, but yeah,
00:49:21uh, like I was saying, like you, you mentioned, you mentioned very interesting civilizations
00:49:26like, um, the Incas and the Sumerian tablets, like, um, you, with, with those civilizations,
00:49:39you see how they balance their, their science, their technology, and nature, right?
00:49:45But, um, but, um, with us, like, like from a sec, from your, from your experience, um, from
00:49:51a psychological, uh, uh, uh, background that you have, what do you think is the cause of,
00:49:58of, of us, um, being constantly seeking for that, which is, um, uh, uh, external, like always
00:50:07seeking for validation, because even, even, even when we try to, to discuss or practice
00:50:14even things that are spiritual, we always, um, even seek from it, uh, in an, in an external
00:50:22way, like religion, like we've always been taught that God is, um, external rather than
00:50:28within us.
00:50:29How, how do we, um, break those kind of circles in our communities?
00:50:36Yeah.
00:50:37What do people like, what do you succeed?
00:50:40I mean, that is a huge, huge question, and I will try my best to try to answer it based
00:50:45on, I mean, I, hey, I'm not a professional, but I feel like number one, it's the mindset,
00:50:51right?
00:50:51This individualistic mindset.
00:50:53I think if we had more of a collective mindset, we would understand.
00:50:57Like I was watching something recently, this documentary that if every single person on
00:51:02earth lived like a middle-class American, we would immediately run out of resources because
00:51:08we just consume too much.
00:51:10And the consumerism and the capitalism comes from this need to fill this void.
00:51:14Um, the same thing you were saying with like externalizing God, instead of recognizing that
00:51:19God is within God, we have to anthropomorphize God as something that's a man that's living in
00:51:25the sky because it's beyond the realms of our brain.
00:51:28Like it's beyond the realms of our understanding to understand, to see that God is not something
00:51:33that's a physical thing.
00:51:34It is not so easy to dichotomize.
00:51:37Like good is good.
00:51:38There's good.
00:51:38And you go to heaven and bad, you go to hell.
00:51:40Like everything is multi-layered.
00:51:42And, um, the sooner that we can attach ourselves from the material world, from consumerism,
00:51:48from capitalism, from money, and from wanting like individual validation, the happier we're
00:51:54going to be.
00:51:54We're going to feel more connected to nature.
00:51:56We're going to feel more grounded in nature.
00:51:57We're not going to want to buy something on Timu if it's going to mean that an entire
00:52:02like grove of forests are destroyed so we can have a $7 backpack from Timu.
00:52:07You know what I'm saying?
00:52:08But we don't have that if we're just insulated in our little world.
00:52:11We have to get outside.
00:52:12We have to travel.
00:52:13We have to have experiences.
00:52:14But we also have to like be able to sit with ourselves, sit with ourselves and meditate
00:52:18until we have these moments of clarity where we're like, God is inside me and God is always
00:52:23here.
00:52:24And it's not about going to hell or going to heaven.
00:52:26It's about trying to coexist in this big, beautiful, uh, universe that we're all a part
00:52:33of.
00:52:33And there's so much bigger than ourselves.
00:52:34Like we are everything and we are nothing at all at once.
00:52:37I believe in the butterfly effect, like one little thing, one little decision you make
00:52:41could alter the course of history.
00:52:42But at the same time, your life is still so insignificant.
00:52:45It's like hermetic law, like as above, so below, like the God, the universe is inside
00:52:50of you in the same way that, you know, if you break down a cell, it looks exactly the
00:52:55same as looking into the galaxy.
00:52:58Like we are made of stars, but we have to like realize that we are connected to one another.
00:53:03Otherwise we're just constantly going to be competing over resources and not caring who,
00:53:07uh, who, who is suffering at our expense of our comfort.
00:53:12You know, we have to be able to give up comforts in order for us to all live together collectively.
00:53:18So I don't know.
00:53:19It's, it's a really deep conversation, but, um, I think it just all starts with trying
00:53:24to be more like community focused rather than individualistic.
00:53:28Yeah.
00:53:29You actually mentioned a very interesting, uh, principle from the Kabbalion is above, so
00:53:35is below.
00:53:37Well, that's, um, that's an amazing, that's an amazing, uh, yeah.
00:53:43So, so, so tell me, uh, okay, before, before you leave, right.
00:53:48Uh, please, please can, do you by any chance have your, your comic next to you?
00:53:53I want us to promote that as well.
00:53:56So I don't have my comic book, which is why I'm selling it pre-sale because my car got broken
00:54:02into and all of my comics and all my works got stolen, which was like $1,500 worth of
00:54:08merch.
00:54:09So, um, I'm running a pre-sale campaign from now until Halloween, which is my son's birthday.
00:54:16And once I get all those pre-sale orders, then I'm going to get all the comic books, but
00:54:20I can send you like a digital page of it.
00:54:23Um, it was created by my home girl and written by me based on my life.
00:54:28Okay.
00:54:28So you actually also said it like on digital, right?
00:54:31Yeah.
00:54:33Okay.
00:54:33So, um, you'll also send me like the link so I can share with other people as well.
00:54:39I got you.
00:54:40Yeah.
00:54:40I'll send you, I'll send you the first three pages too, just so people can see it.
00:54:44Okay.
00:54:45But, but can you be, can you give me a, can you give us like an idea of what it
00:54:49is?
00:54:50Don't, don't give too much of it.
00:54:51Don't.
00:54:52Yeah.
00:54:52We don't want to.
00:54:56So it's called punish her, uh, volume one.
00:55:00Um, it's a psychological thriller again, loosely based on my life.
00:55:04This girl wakes up in a mental hospital and doesn't remember how she got there.
00:55:09And when she gets home, there's an investigation and she's somehow involved with it.
00:55:13So I'll just say that there's, um, a darker side to this girl than she's privy to.
00:55:22Cool.
00:55:23Cool.
00:55:24Cool.
00:55:24So, I don't know.
00:55:26Okay.
00:55:26You can correct, correct me if I'm wrong.
00:55:28Right.
00:55:28Um, do you think it, do you think it, it's almost the same thing?
00:55:32Like, uh, when we were, you remember that movie used to watch by, by the time when we
00:55:37were kids, um, universal soldier?
00:55:42Oh, I've never seen that one.
00:55:45You've never seen it.
00:55:46Yeah.
00:55:46She tried.
00:55:47I think.
00:55:48Um, what was it?
00:55:50Oh gosh, I forgot this.
00:55:54Oh, I forgot.
00:55:55There's a book I forgot.
00:55:56Um, I think it spoke about something like operation mind control, things like that.
00:56:03I've never read that, but I've heard of it.
00:56:05And that's like very up my alley.
00:56:07Um, yeah, I mean, it's the, the theme is similar to probably, you know, like a whole
00:56:13sub genre of comics, but what makes it unique is that it's literally my life.
00:56:18Had I had superpowers or I think humans all have superpowers that we just have, haven't
00:56:25unlocked because we're in a society that suppresses a lot of our telepathic and higher
00:56:32minded abilities.
00:56:33But, uh, so to speak, this girl goes through a lot of trauma and it kind of like unlocks
00:56:39an ability in her that she's not aware of.
00:56:41But I'm going to just say that I don't want to give too much away.
00:56:43Yeah, too much.
00:56:44Yeah, yeah, yeah.
00:56:45I'm up there.
00:56:46I'm up there.
00:56:46I'm up there.
00:56:46I almost, yeah.
00:56:48No, it's all good.
00:56:50But, but, but Megan, um, so tell me, um, are there any events that are coming that you,
00:56:57that we should look out for?
00:57:00Yeah, I got a bunch of shows if I mean, I don't know, I wish that I could live stream
00:57:04them for y'all out there, but they're all in San Francisco.
00:57:07Um, this weekend DNA lounge San Francisco, uh, a dusk till dawn performance based on the
00:57:14movie dusk till dawn.
00:57:15Um, and then Halloween, a zombie prom at Great Northern in San Francisco.
00:57:21And then, uh, the next day on the 24th, I'm actually opening for, uh, some really legendary
00:57:27rappers casual from hieroglyphics.
00:57:30Um, kill a priest, you know, and, um, planet Asia.
00:57:36So that'll be a really cool show.
00:57:38Uh, in Oakland.
00:57:41Kill a priest in planet Asia.
00:57:43Whoa.
00:57:44That's, that's me.
00:57:46Okay.
00:57:46So, so, so, so, um, basically then I think you should send us like the, the flyers and
00:57:53then I'll post like on the stories.
00:57:54And for, for those who are actually like close to, to your area, then they'll get to see
00:58:00them.
00:58:01I got you.
00:58:03Yeah.
00:58:03Yeah.
00:58:03I got you.
00:58:04I'll get you all the flyers.
00:58:05Um, yeah.
00:58:07I mean, a lot, I, whenever, Hey, maybe I'll get out to South Africa soon.
00:58:10I've never been to Africa.
00:58:11So why not?
00:58:12Why not?
00:58:13Definitely.
00:58:14Please.
00:58:16Please.
00:58:16We should.
00:58:17We should.
00:58:17We should.
00:58:18Cause, cause, um, I spoke to res cares.
00:58:21I spoke to what I spoke to muster is punchline.
00:58:29Yeah.
00:58:30Yeah.
00:58:30Yeah.
00:58:30I think, I think.
00:58:32I think.
00:58:33Yeah.
00:58:33I think we should like, like as, as a hip hop community and make it happen.
00:58:40You know?
00:58:40Let's do it.
00:58:41Yeah.
00:58:42Brass cast West coast.
00:58:44Okay.
00:58:44Let's go.
00:58:46Yeah.
00:58:46I interviewed him.
00:58:47I think like three, four years ago.
00:58:49Yeah.
00:58:50Yeah.
00:58:51Cool guy.
00:58:51Cool guy.
00:58:52Yeah.
00:58:53Well, Hey, if you ever make it out here too, I'll make sure, get you the VIP treatment
00:58:57to one of my shows.
00:59:00I love it.
00:59:01I love it.
00:59:02I love it.
00:59:04No doubt about it.
00:59:06I promise.
00:59:07We will make it happen.
00:59:08This is not the last, um, interview.
00:59:11Um, next project that comes out.
00:59:15We definitely having a conversation about it.
00:59:19Yes.
00:59:20I mean, I'm, I'm, I'm like halfway there.
00:59:23It'll be soon.
00:59:23Hopefully.
00:59:24Where did all the dreamers go?
00:59:25That's the next one.
00:59:27That's the next one.
00:59:28Whoa.
00:59:30Okay.
00:59:30But, but, but wait, wait.
00:59:31I also, I also did a terrible mistake.
00:59:33Let's give a, let's give a shout out to all your producers, your team.
00:59:38Yeah.
00:59:39Before you bounce.
00:59:40Yeah, definitely.
00:59:42Um, shout out to who's who's producing my entire project.
00:59:46Where did all the dreamers go?
00:59:48Um, yeah, let's see.
00:59:50Flex Machina.
00:59:51I had a lot of different producers on that.
00:59:53Um, choices studio from London.
00:59:56Um, unlearn the world.
00:59:58Pinky ring is featured on there.
00:59:59Chewy's featured on there.
01:00:01Um, shout out 10 Dell 10 beats.
01:00:04He works with me on a lot of stuff as well.
01:00:06Um, yeah, shout out, gotta, gotta give love to the producers.
01:00:10The song is nothing without, without the producers for sure.
01:00:15And also, I mean, uh, with the Queens of the underground, you, you started with someone
01:00:19else, right?
01:00:20There's two of you, right?
01:00:21Shout out to the team of Queens of the underground.
01:00:24Um, Kayla Love, Amani Jade, and Snowy G.
01:00:28That's the squad right there.
01:00:30For sure.
01:00:31For sure.
01:00:32For sure.
01:00:32Megan.
01:00:34Much love.
01:00:35I really appreciate it, man.
01:00:36I wish, I wish I could spend like the whole day.
01:00:40But I know you're a very busy woman.
01:00:42You know, you're a mom.
01:00:44You ought to say, shout out to your son too as well.
01:00:47Yeah.
01:00:47He's, he's off school today for indigenous people's day.
01:00:50So he's chilling.
01:00:52We're going to go play.
01:00:53We're going to go play football or something later.
01:00:56Whoa.
01:00:56Whoa.
01:00:57That's amazing, man.
01:00:58That's amazing.
01:00:59Um, Megan, much love.
01:01:02I appreciate it, man.
01:01:04Thank you for being on Hip Hop Nation TV.
01:01:07Um, I definitely would love to, to, to have you decide.
01:01:11Um, we're looking forward to it, man.
01:01:14For sure.
01:01:14Thank you for having me.
01:01:15I appreciate you.
01:01:16This beautiful conversation, really insightful.
01:01:19So I appreciate you taking the time to, to have deep combos with me.
01:01:23For sure.
01:01:24For sure.
01:01:25Peace.
01:01:26Peace.
01:01:32Whoa, guys.
01:01:34Little MC.
01:01:36Whoa.
01:01:38Whoa.
01:01:39What an amazing woman.
01:01:41Did we just have a one hour conversation?
01:01:46Oh, amazing woman.
01:01:52Okay.
01:01:53Whoa.
01:01:53Whoa.
01:01:54Whoa.
01:01:55Whoa.
01:01:55Crazy.
01:01:56That's crazy.
01:01:57That's crazy.
01:01:58That's something my, my, my, my, my brother Timber.
01:02:00I always say.
01:02:01Shit.
01:02:01That's crazy.
01:02:06Man.
01:02:08Man.
01:02:09I'm amazed.
01:02:10I'm out of words, bro.
01:02:11I'm out of words.
01:02:12Ah.
01:02:14Yeah, man.
01:02:15Much love.
01:02:16Much love to little MC and her team.
01:02:19Um, and I can't wait for the, for the, for the new, for the new project.
01:02:24Ah, that's gotta come out, man.
01:02:26Yeah.
01:02:28Man.
01:02:29This, this song.
01:02:30This song.
01:02:31Luminous Faces.
01:02:33Flex McQueen.
01:02:34Ma, Ma Keena.
01:02:36Ah.
01:02:38Bruh.
01:02:40Yo.
01:02:41Guys.
01:02:42I'm out.
01:02:43I don't have to say much.
01:02:45You know who I am.
01:02:47Maria Klimtik.
01:02:48Hip Hop Nation TV, South Africa.
01:02:53I don't have to say much.
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