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00:18Now you know I'm dragging my feet on this because I don't want to do it.
00:22We're going to get blamed, and I don't want to get blamed.
00:24I'm just reacting to what the guy said.
00:27Jalen Hurts out for the year, right?
00:29Yep.
00:30Out indefinitely.
00:31Indefinitely.
00:32With the blood clot.
00:33Got a blood clot.
00:34Now it's in his lungs.
00:35In his lungs.
00:36Both lungs.
00:38You're kidding.
00:39I didn't know that.
00:40That's really dangerous.
00:41Welcome to the party, man.
00:42There's, like, lawsuits going to be filed.
00:43Well, I know that, but I didn't know it was in his lungs.
00:46Yeah.
00:47Oh, geez.
00:50Oh, boy.
00:51That, the David Bell stuff going, you know what?
00:54Never mind.
00:54Lord Almighty.
00:56Okay.
00:57So here we go.
00:59So Jalen Hurts out for the year.
01:01We're out indefinitely.
01:04Browns are about to welcome back Dylan Gabriel.
01:07I just want to remember, I want you all to remember, I didn't say it, and Lima, the one
01:12that you guys all hate, because when you hear it, you're going to know who hates him.
01:17The guy you all hate didn't say it.
01:20All right?
01:21This is Cam Newton, NFL MVP.
01:26This is Cam Newton saying it, and we're going to react to it.
01:30Fourth and one pod.
01:30Hit it.
01:31How realistic do you think it is for him to leave?
01:34Extremely real.
01:35If I'm Shadur, I wouldn't even lie to you, Peggy.
01:38You know what a team that I'll be willing to play for right now?
01:41Philly.
01:41Because Jalen Hurts is placed on IR.
01:43He at least got to sit out for four to six weeks.
01:46So that gives me an opportunity to say, I can show that I can play.
01:50I just need good film.
01:52Anywhere where he can go to put film out there for that team or other teams to be able to
01:59say, we can build around his greatness and his flaws.
02:03I know it's egregious, and there's no way or reason why people should take that serious
02:10more so than the opportunity that it will bring for Shadur.
02:13While Jalen is recovering from his blood clots, this will put ease to Shadur to be able to
02:19be in a dynamic where I can perform in a manner that I know I'll have at least sometime.
02:24I'm on a short choke chain, but at least it's my chain for at least two to three weeks.
02:31Cam Newton, fourth and one pod.
02:33Who wants to start?
02:34You or me?
02:35We're just reacting to it.
02:36We didn't give you the idea.
02:37You can go ahead.
02:38You react to it.
02:41Okay.
02:42I hear this clip.
02:43Again, fourth and one pod.
02:49One, why would he want out?
02:52Two, why does Philadelphia offer him a better situation than us?
02:59The reason why you want out.
03:01I have a laundry list of people.
03:05When we start mentioning Deshaun Watson, Kenny, he's these fools gold.
03:09This is silly.
03:10He's lucky.
03:10He's lucky.
03:12Well, he didn't turn the ball over.
03:14So wait, we, we, you complain that he only had, what was it?
03:1724 yards in the first half.
03:18You can play.
03:19That's it.
03:20He had 24, 25 yards in the first half or whatever it was on Sunday, but he also didn't
03:25turn the ball over and he kept them in a position to win the game.
03:28Correct.
03:28Correct.
03:29Correct.
03:30Yep.
03:30Right.
03:31So you're mad about that, but you're also mad that he doesn't turn the ball over.
03:36Two wrongs.
03:37Don't make a right.
03:37So that doesn't work.
03:39But if you're saying that this is all fool's gold, then eventually you're waiting for the
03:43bottom to drop out.
03:44Is he going to have an opportunity to play?
03:46Shador Sanders?
03:47Yes.
03:48It has Deshaun Watson.
03:50Does he make it through a 17 game season?
03:52Odds are no.
03:53Odds are we're going to come in here on a Monday.
03:54We're going to be wondering about a banged up Deshaun Watson here and Shador getting his
03:58chance.
03:58Second of all, I'm sorry.
04:00Todd Munkin is not the coach that everybody's trying to fire every single moment of the
04:05day.
04:05Nick Sirianni is.
04:08They're the team that's under the gun.
04:11You want to go over there when nobody.
04:12Wait a minute.
04:13Nobody trusts that offense.
04:14Nobody trusts that head coach.
04:15You want to go over and play in his offense when nobody trusts him?
04:19AJ Braun laughing and laughing on his way out going.
04:22Yeah, he's a guru.
04:23You'll see it.
04:24John, every moment he gets tries to bring up firing Nick Sirianni.
04:28Philly fans, they all want him fired.
04:31The Sixers lose and they want him fired.
04:34He can't do anything out there.
04:36So you're going to take Shador, which last year was a mess.
04:39Totally was a mess.
04:41You're going to take him from that situation last year with the Browns.
04:44Keep him on the Browns this year where it's much better.
04:47And we're going to drop him back into a quagmire there.
04:49And we're going to expect that to be good.
04:52Like we can't.
04:54I understand that there's a lot of people that want him out of here.
04:57I really don't understand because I think this is still a great place for him.
05:00Especially because we don't know what we want to do with Deshaun Watson in the future.
05:04We don't know what we want to do with the guy in the future here.
05:06So that's the third thing I didn't even think of off the top of my head going,
05:09I don't know anybody who wants to line up and give him a contract here.
05:12So Shador might end up being the guy anyway.
05:14So if Shador might end up being the guy anyway,
05:16I got a better situation going on here offensively.
05:19I really do.
05:20I don't have people retiring and then getting traded.
05:23Now Lane Johnson has had a history of injuries and I understand it was just time.
05:28He's a Hall of Famer.
05:29But Cam Juergens gets traded.
05:30It's like they're raising the white flag.
05:32I don't got to worry about that right now during the season.
05:35Our guy retired before the season.
05:38We have done our best to replace him with Zion Johnson.
05:41Or I should say, who's my left?
05:44Damn it.
05:45Come on.
05:45Help me.
05:45Who's my left guard?
05:47Why am I drawing a blank?
05:49No.
05:49Austin Barber?
05:50My right guard is Austin Barber.
05:52My left guard is Zion Johnson.
05:55So I've taken this and I've had a decent offensive line situation.
06:00Still not the best, but I'm going to go to Philly.
06:03I'm going to send them to Philly.
06:05They're mixing people up left and right.
06:07Now they're excited about a couple other guys,
06:09but you're mixing them up left and right.
06:10Again, your head coach is in the same spot Kevin Stefanski was,
06:14except he's argumentative about it.
06:17This is a worse situation in Philly.
06:20Go to Philly?
06:22So what is it about his fans that all have wanted him out of Cleveland now,
06:26once he didn't win the starting job?
06:27They look at Cleveland as a mess, that we're making a mistake,
06:30that we don't know good quarterbacking when we see it,
06:32and we'll consistently get in our way.
06:34Okay, I can understand that thought before the season started.
06:36They're clearly not a mess now.
06:38There's not some huge dysfunction.
06:39Yeah, Zion's a left, Austin Barber's right.
06:41There's not some huge dysfunction going on right now.
06:43They've had a lot of coffee.
06:44It's the coach seems to be in the right moments dialing things up,
06:49and it's not that Watson's playing so good that he's never,
06:53ever, ever going to get replaced.
06:55And then we know his track record when it comes to injuries.
06:58He's taking a lot of hits every game.
06:59So I have not understood the Shador Sanders fans' philosophy on this at all.
07:06I don't know how many teams are lining up to get him in
07:09and then give him a chance to play.
07:11He does have a chance to get to play with this team.
07:14Now, unless you secretly think he's secretly behind Dylan Gabriel now,
07:22and I've seen some people allude to that, but where is that coming from?
07:25The only thing I've ever said is that I know for a fact there's people in the
07:29building who say that he has the better grip on the offense than any of them.
07:33All right, but does he have the talent that any of the other guys have?
07:36Yeah, we don't think so.
07:36Because that's part of it, too.
07:37Like, that's where I was really impressed with Todd Munkin when I saw the report.
07:40And Sean Payton's a great coach.
07:42Let's not mess around here.
07:44But when you're messing with the play caller and then you're messing with the
07:47language and you take Bo Nix, it's like, why are you trying to confuse him?
07:51Like, Todd Munkin saw a problem, did his best to fix it,
07:55and then went out and won three games in a row when it came to the nomenclature
07:58of the offense.
07:59So Todd Munkin took his player and put his player in a better position to help
08:02himself.
08:03That's what coaching is supposed to be.
08:05That's why I was so impressed with what Todd did.
08:07But damn it, Tone, like, okay, he might have a better chance to play in
08:12Philadelphia because it's like, well, you're not going to get off of Deshaun
08:15Watson at 4-2.
08:16And if they go to 5-2, you're not going to get off of Deshaun Watson.
08:19And at 6-2, you're not going to get off of Deshaun Watson.
08:21That's it at that point.
08:22But you're going to send him to Philly.
08:24Why?
08:24Because he'll play.
08:25Is he in a better situation?
08:27Or is he just playing for 20-25 Browns 2.0?
08:32Because according to Philly fans, it's a complete unmitigated tire fire right now.
08:36The funny thing is, I thought there were people there, according to reports,
08:38that really thought Tanner McKee, and I know he's only had, you know,
08:43how many starts in his NFL career, and he was a six-round pick.
08:45But, you know, he's another player that looked great in preseason games.
08:50Okay.
08:51You know, they got Joe Milton on the roster, too, and he's actually earmarked as a third
08:55stringer.
08:56So, I don't know.
08:57The Shador people just don't have patience right now.
09:00They feel like he should have started last year from day one.
09:04And now they feel like he should start this year from day one.
09:06And so I get that they're aggravated about that.
09:08But I think the best situation for them is either – and I'm not going to root for
09:12injury.
09:13So, if you're just a Shador fan and you don't care about the Browns, it's like you're
09:17watching Deshaun Watson hold on to the football or, God forbid, turn the ball over,
09:22and you're going to go, my guy's going to get his chance.
09:24And then your guy gets his chance, and if it happens through bad play or it happens
09:28through injury, and you go, hey, this offense with this defense is moving this much
09:31better, there you go.
09:32Because we're so excited about the rest of it.
09:34But we don't know what we got going on in the quarterback room for the rest of this
09:38year, really, and for next year and the year after that.
09:40Shador can be that guy.
09:41So, I want to jettison him to – if I'm a fan, I want him to go to Philadelphia?
09:47And stand in the middle of an absolute fire?
09:51I think they think he would turn around the fire.
09:54I think they think that all of a sudden they would get back to the Eagles that started
09:59the season with real expectations.
10:00But wait a minute.
10:00I thought Kevin Stefanski did everything he could to get in the way of Shador Sanders.
10:05Did he or did he not, according to the fan base?
10:07Well, they think all the coaches that are giving him a starting job day one suck.
10:11So, let's go logically here.
10:13If Kevin got in his way, do we not think Nick Sirianni is going to get in his way?
10:17Because Nick Sirianni, according to Philly fans, is getting in the way of everything
10:20offensively.
10:22So, I'm going from a good coach who is doing a good job and doing what's right by his
10:28quarterbacks, and I advocate for him to be sent to Nick Sirianni, who got in everybody
10:33in Philadelphia one fired right now because his offense sucks and he can't get through
10:37to his players?
10:38Ken, they just believe in Shador more than anything else.
10:40They believe in Shador.
10:41They use the term legendary.
10:43Well, he's not a magician, Anthony.
10:45He's a mortal.
10:46But the way they talk about him is that everybody has conspired against him.
10:4932 teams in the NFL conspired against him in the first round, the second round, the third
10:54round, the fourth.
10:54Then the team that actually took him conspired against him because they didn't give him a
10:58shot to win last year.
10:59Then the new coach and his new staff, with the Browns again, they conspired against him,
11:04holding him back, rigging a quarterback competition.
11:07The media conspired against him.
11:09I can't.
11:09Rigged the narratives about him and said all inaccurate things about him.
11:14I can't have a conversation.
11:15You've got to understand, this is what it's like talking to these people.
11:17Well, okay, but I'm not going to have a conversation with those people.
11:19If somebody calls in and says all that, what you just said to me, I'm going to think they're
11:23nuts and they're not living in reality and we're going to end the phone conversation.
11:27That's not real.
11:28What I gave you was real.
11:30That wasn't real?
11:31Tell me where I was wrong on any of that, Owen.
11:33Owen doesn't think I was wrong.
11:34You don't think I was wrong.
11:35John doesn't think I was wrong.
11:37John, is John up there?
11:39I'll put John in a position.
11:40Do you have any faith in Nick Sirianni?
11:44No, not with Jim and Hurts out.
11:45Okay, so you think that he would probably be wrong for Shador Sanders?
11:50I think, yeah.
11:52I mean, why would Shador want to go there?
11:53I just wanted to make sure.
11:56Well, I mean, you just jumped in and said that I thought you, I didn't think you were
12:00wrong and I didn't really get a chance.
12:01Oh, go ahead.
12:02I'm sorry.
12:02I thought you.
12:03No, I just, I can totally understand why Shador fans would want him to go to Philly.
12:08They've only ever wanted him a chance to play in NFL games.
12:13That's all they want.
12:14They believe that once he gets on the field, his tape will show and even Cam said it in
12:18there.
12:18Get, even if it's three or four weeks, you get a chance to put yourself on tape and show
12:23how good of a quarterback you are.
12:25Cam said it in that clip that we just played.
12:27That's the whole point of all of this.
12:29That's the whole reason that people want him traded to Philly because they think he's better
12:33than Tanner McKee and they think he would go there and be the starter.
12:35Well, if he's that, well, Tanner McKee wasn't a pariah coming into the season.
12:40Deshaun Watson was, I'm not commenting on any of the other stuff.
12:44I'm just telling you what it is.
12:45And I, I just don't think that that's, again, I don't think that that's realistic.
12:48I think that every reason to want to start Shador Sanders, other than what they saw on
12:53the field between he and Deshaun Watson in training camp.
12:59That's fine.
13:00I don't really care either way.
13:01I don't care what Shador does.
13:03I don't care about the people that support him anymore.
13:05I am over all of that.
13:07I'm out now all of that.
13:09Now you can go and listen to a Reese's pieces yesterday on the podcast and everything Reese
13:14said, Oh, and stands behind him.
13:16You are not wearing gloves, but if you were, they'd be coming off right now.
13:20I took them off.
13:21Oh my goodness.
13:23There's no, like, he's not the odd man out.
13:25Is he at the end of next week?
13:30I don't think he can be.
13:33No, I think if there's an odd man out, it's Taylor green.
13:37All right.
13:37We'll ask you guys.
13:38We come back that and yesterday sucked.
13:42It's not the worst I felt after a guardian's loss.
13:44Ken Carmen, Anthony Lima, live in the.
