00:00Browns fell in overtime to the New Orleans Saints. We're getting into the decision. I didn't think it was much
00:05of a decision, but apparently it was.
00:06The decision to go for two at the end of the football game coming up here in about 20 minutes.
00:102-1-6-4-7-4-0-92.
00:12Would you stick with Shador or would you go back to Deshaun Watson next week against the Houston Texans?
00:17I didn't think that it was abundantly clear as to the reasons why. I didn't think that Shador Sanders was
00:24bad in this football game.
00:25Again, I thought that when my bar is not at its highest, I think there's a lot of comparisons of
00:32these guys to the very elite QBs, and I just don't know why.
00:36I'm not comparing them to elite QBs and saying, well, Joe Burrow would have done this and Josh Allen would
00:41have done that.
00:41I don't put those guys in that category to begin with. I'm trying to be more realistic.
00:46So with these QBs and Lima, you're lockstep with me on this.
00:49It seems to be that, hey, I would probably take Shador Sanders over some guys that are out there that
00:55I just don't think have any future whatsoever.
00:57I would also take Deshaun Watson over a lot of guys to help me win a football game coming up
01:01on Sunday.
01:02I still am in a position where I have to win a football game on Sunday. I'm 5-4. I
01:06got Houston coming into town.
01:07They're trying to get their season back on track. I'd go with the veteran. I'd go with Deshaun Watson on
01:12Sunday.
01:12I also think part of the reasoning that I'm saying it's a no-brainer for Munkin is partly because if
01:22you went with Sanders against Houston,
01:24and they're already four-and-a-half-point dogs, and I don't know if the line would be much different
01:28from that, whatever.
01:29I think Vegas really only changed the line maybe a point-and-a-half to a half when they knew
01:33Shador was going to get the start.
01:35So it's not like a huge vote of confidence of the other guy.
01:38But if you went with Shador this week and you did what you're supposed to do, which is lose, to
01:45Houston at home,
01:48it kind of would feel like the playoff stuff was not happening, right?
01:52Because you're rebooting a quarterback.
01:54The rest of the season is about Shador and trying to see what you have in him.
01:59And then think about what that does.
02:01Not that his teammates don't love him like they might love Deshaun Watson.
02:05I don't know. I'm not in that locker room.
02:06But to think that—
02:08Well, I'm going to go back to the guy that has won five games and didn't play overwhelmingly bad
02:12where he had to absolutely be replaced for Shador or anybody else on the roster.
02:17That's what I mean.
02:18On the flip side is if you play Deshaun Watson and you do what you're supposed to do,
02:23which is lose to Houston, there's a more natural transition that could go down.
02:30You see what I'm saying?
02:31Yeah.
02:31Then it would make sense.
02:33You could potentially lose a locker room if you were sitting there trying to get first place.
02:39You know, coming into today, they were 5-3.
02:42And then because Shador had this magical quarter and OT, now you make him the starter.
02:49And then he just goes out there and gets a much different team than New Orleans, at least on paper.
02:56I think that would be pretty tough, a pretty tough thing to explain to the rest of the guys in
03:00that locker room.
03:00I would agree with you.
03:012-1-6-4-7-4-0-92.
03:03Let me go to the phone here.
03:04Paul and Kenton, you're first up on the fan.
03:06Hello, Paul.
03:07Hey, good morning, guys.
03:09Morning to you, Paul.
03:09Go ahead.
03:10Hey.
03:11Yeah, I would definitely—I mean, I would go with Deshaun.
03:15Okay.
03:15That's unfortunately because the Browns put themselves in this situation.
03:19If we don't make the playoffs, then going with Deshaun, because he was .005% of a better quarterback, maybe,
03:28because you thought the young guys would get more time.
03:31And obviously, that's not true.
03:32The young guys got the ball yesterday, right?
03:35So if you don't make the playoffs, this was a horribly stupid move because you messed up your draft status.
03:41You don't know if you caught lightning in the bottle rather with Sanders or Gabriel.
03:44So now you put yourself in the gray going into the draft next year.
03:49And then, oh, we're trying to win now.
03:50But I said this before.
03:52A man who doesn't look at his next step will walk off a cliff.
03:55This was—the Browns did this to themselves.
03:58Period.
03:58You need to go with Deshaun.
04:00But, I mean, it is what it is.
04:02See, I agree with you about going back to Deshaun.
04:04And, Paul, thank you for the call.
04:05I just—he wasn't talking about the T-word, so I'm not going to accuse Paul of talking about the T
04:12-word.
04:13I know that fans want something for the greater good, so the season has to mean something for them.
04:17I think that there is something culturally that you're trying to get done here.
04:21And it's not just—because, again, teams that tend to lose, they tend to have no culture.
04:25And it's just, well, we hope that a quarterback's going to save it.
04:28Guys, I give you no greater example than the Washington Commanders.
04:30Like, they thought they had that thing fixed up and everything was going to be fine.
04:33They had tanked to get Jaden Daniels, and they got Jaden Daniels, and they thought they were going to be—
04:38it was going to be green grass and high tides forever, and it hasn't been.
04:42Because you don't have an infrastructure.
04:44Like, we focus so much on first-round picks.
04:47What about the second- and third-round picks that have started to work out for you here?
04:50Like, we've got to talk about those guys.
04:52And so, every pick is going to matter, especially in the first two days of the draft.
04:56So, I get in the grand scheme of things.
04:58If you don't have a quarterback, you really don't think you have a chance.
05:00I got that. Totally agree.
05:02But I also know that they're not falling out of trees right now.
05:06This isn't going to be the 83 class.
05:08I think you might end up taking somebody with that first or second pick in the first round,
05:12depending on where you finish and where the Rams finish.
05:15I think that there's possibilities for all that stuff.
05:17And I know that you, as a fan, you want something that you can hold on to,
05:21that's going to be consistent, and not going to waste your overall time
05:24and going, well, we had one great year, and then the thing just went to hell.
05:27And even in the great year, we didn't even make the playoffs.
05:29I get that.
05:30Like, I go back to the 10 and 6 year they didn't make the postseason.
05:33I get these things.
05:34So, it's tough to sit here and disagree.
05:37But I'm looking at it from a short-term perspective, because that's Todd Munkin's perspective.
05:41He's not going to be here as long as Browns fans are.
05:43He's got to win football games.
05:45He's got to win as many as he can while he can do so.
05:49And I think that both QBs, neither QB has won a game in spite of themselves.
05:56I don't think that, I think if Deshaun Watson would have played yesterday,
05:59I think the result, for a moment I thought, I was like, man, if Deshaun would have played,
06:03maybe this game would have been a go away.
06:05I didn't think that way.
06:07And I think neither of these guys have played overwhelmingly wonderfully.
06:12And it's just kind of this position that exists.
06:15But I'm going to go back to the veteran, because you're 5 and 4, and your veteran has been your
06:20QB.
06:20And it's given me no reason to unseat that guy right now.
06:24I get it when someone like Jason Lloyd is on social media.
06:29Jason's really looking at next year, because this team is not a Super Bowl contender.
06:35He's always, like we all are.
06:37We're all looking to find out who's going to fix these issues that have been plaguing the Browns since 1999.
06:43And Todd Munkin is not looking at it that way.
06:45He's trying to make the playoffs this year.
06:47And he clearly, all year, has thought one quarterback was way more ready and better to be able to do
06:55that.
06:55And then that quarterback went out and won five games.
06:58And very easily could have been the Jets game.
07:00I mean, could have been six at this stage.
07:03216-474-0092.
07:05Thomas and Shaker.
07:06Hello, Thomas.
07:07Hey, Ken.
07:08Hey, lineman.
07:09Hey, you know, I understand you guys' perspective.
07:11I get what you're saying about the veteran quarterback and why Deshaun Watson gives us a chance to win right
07:16now.
07:17But I'm looking at it from my perspective, the way I'm looking at it is, do you think that Deshaun
07:23Watson could win the Super Bowl this year?
07:25Mm-mm.
07:26No.
07:26So if I'm not winning the Super Bowl with Deshaun Watson, then I would rather, personally, I'd rather miss a
07:32playoff by one game and see if Deshaun Jordan is my quarterback than make the playoff and get blown out
07:38by 30 and not know what's going on.
07:40Because we've got a draft with two draft picks coming up.
07:42We've got to know what we've got.
07:43I want to see the young guy play.
07:44See, I'd rather make the playoffs.
07:48I'm trying to think about it the way Todd's trying to think about it.
07:50And a coach is going to try to win every single football game he can.
07:54I've got to try to make the playoffs.
07:54If we were the Steelers, I would agree with you.
07:57Like, it would be every year we made the playoffs.
07:59And, you know, that could get in the way of us getting to find out who our future is.
08:04But you're the Browns.
08:05You never make the playoffs.
08:06You have season ticket holders who've never seen and never had even a chance to go to a home playoff
08:12game.
08:13Like, you've got to do everything you can to make the playoffs when you're in this state.
08:17Now, come talk to me in three weeks, right?
08:21Like, if they just go get boat raced by Houston and it's Deshaun Watson.
08:24I can think of it.
08:24And quarterback.
08:25All right.
08:26I think the transition will be happening.
08:28Let me tell you this.
08:30If we approach the playoffs and we don't, and I think there's a lot of things that are getting in
08:34your way that is a reason why you might come up to the close part of the playoffs, but you
08:37wouldn't make the playoffs.
08:38The penalties are abhorrent right now.
08:40And they preach about the penalties, and they just continue to make more and more and more of them.
08:44And they're really silly penalties.
08:45Really silly pre-snap.
08:48Hold your water.
08:49Stupid penalties.
08:50There's no defense of that.
08:52But in the grand scheme of things here, I don't know, I saw Deshaun Watson, who's basically been a wounded
08:58animal for his entire time here in Cleveland, and he went out there and he played competently.
09:02And I've seen Shador Sanders, who's had every single type of dramatic conversation around him over the last year and
09:12a half.
09:13And there's so much pressure on his own fan base that loves him.
09:17There's a lot of pressure on people who can't stand that fan base and hate him.
09:21And I'm just like, I want him to play well for the Cleveland Browns.
09:23And I didn't think he played poorly yesterday.
09:25And I'm seeing two QBs.
09:27I mean, I thought he looked like a disaster for three plus quarters.
09:31But what he did, what he did, he did.
09:33He played courageously after that.
09:35When it was unscripted, when it was, you know, the scramble stuff, that whole fourth quarter in overtime, when he
09:41got out of the normal offense, that's when he started cooking.
09:44The reason I disagree is because I think he was so focused on not turning the ball over that there
09:49was probably things that he probably, definitely there were misses that you could see.
09:52And I've written it down.
09:53But I do think that both of these guys were like, just don't turn the ball over.
09:57All right, we're going to get this figured out.
09:59We'll get it figured out as the game goes on.
10:01We'll try to unlock the defense as we go forward.
10:03Just don't turn the football over.
10:04And I think both of these guys, the greater point of it is, is that I do have a coaching
10:09staff that seems to have been able to get something out of a guy who was lost, a complete lost
10:14cause in Deshaun Watson, and a guy that a lot of people think shouldn't even be in the league.
10:19And they get mad at us for even talking about him.
10:23And I saw both guys play to some level of decency and then turn it on in the fourth quarter.
10:30So if I have a coaching staff that can help these guys out, maybe I can take a guy 16th,
10:3517th overall, wherever it is in this draft.
10:38And maybe I can put him into a situation that has good complementary players around him.
10:43Guys like Denzel Boston and Casey Concepcion, both guys were good yesterday.
10:46I can put him in a position, I know Casey had a drop yesterday, but other than that, I thought
10:50he was sensational.
10:51And that was a nice throw by Shador.
10:53And Harold Fannin Jr. has come alive.
10:54I know that the run game's not great.
10:56The protection is not great.
10:58There's things that they have to get figured out.
10:59But this was a team that a lot of people thought was going to win less than five games this
11:02year.
11:03So there's things that need to be built.
11:04So it's not going to be perfect.
11:05So, yeah, if I can go out and win more football games and come close to it, I'm looking at
11:11it as proof positive that some of these guys are worth keeping around here long term.
11:16And I do think that naturally, yeah, you're seeing how it's going.
11:18You've got four straight home games coming up in five weeks because you've got a bye week in there.
11:22And you've got some better opponents that are coming up here.
11:24You've also got some teams that can surprise you.
11:26You are not one of the premier teams in the NFL.
11:29There's a lot of football left to be played.
11:30And if it goes south, then, yeah, there's going to be a tremendous opportunity again for Shador Sanders.
11:34But this week, going to week to week, I've got to put the guy who I think is going to
11:38give me a better chance to win the football game.
11:40I'm going to put the guy in there who I've been starting all year.
11:42And you're right there with me in lockstep.
11:442-1-6-4-7-4-0-0-92.
11:46All right, we have a boatload of calls on this.
11:47I want to ask you about the extra point coming up at 7 o'clock.
11:50I want to get to more of you people on this.
11:51Should we stick with Shador or would you just go right back to Deshaun Watson getting ready for Houston on
11:58Sunday?
11:58Ken Carman, Anthony Lima.
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