00:00let's say it's it's it's a surprise not so much you know appreciate the honor
00:06but it's a strange place I mean it's kind of fantastic place or it's a
00:11fantastical place let's say that because I think being in a place like this
00:18palace is such a long such a rich history it actually does take you back
00:25slightly being here we talked about art we talked about art we talked about what
00:30she's reading we talked about the fact she gets to meet these astonishing people
00:37that come through the doors of the palace every day but I think yeah the
00:43mate so that's what we talked about and what is she reading then well I think
00:48really her point was that she didn't get a chance to read all the books that she
00:52had and wanted to have and so on and I think I was just suggesting that
00:56sometimes actually just having the book having this body of knowledge around you
01:01has its worth whileness to it it's like having a conversation you don't
01:05necessarily get to the end of a conversation so maybe you start but you
01:08don't finish a book it's part of the whole thing you're just trying to expand how you
01:12see the world and how you imagine the world anyway that's kind of what we talked about
01:16Eko Usham was among the 67 people given honours by the Princess Royal as an
01:22investiture ceremony at Windsor Castle in late September the 58 year olds chairs
01:27the fourth plinth commissioning group which oversees the artworks that appear on
01:31the fourth plinth in Trafalgar Square born in London he is a broadcaster writer and
01:37curator Usham was the first black editor of a major magazine in the UK yeah well I
01:44think these in some respects are quite strange times we feels very unsettled by
01:49just all kinds of developments climate change to immigration to the pace of
01:54technological change and I think very often we embody that unease in this idea
02:00of an outsider a stranger as a an epitome of difference otherness something
02:09that we can't quite fathom so in my head at the moment I tend to think of the fear
02:16of the other the fear of the stranger as one of defining aspects of our time right
02:24now but with that said I'm really interested in how we as individuals or
02:30collectively might also come to look from the position and from the viewpoint of the
02:36other and of each other because I would suggest that doing so allows us to see
02:42the world from different perspectives through new eyes in different ways
02:47sometimes there's a desire to make that simple and to suggest there's only two
02:51ways to read society us and them in and out I tend to think the world is more
02:56interesting when we embrace complexity
