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Sneaky Joe DiBiase, Owen Parker, and Joe Cali kick things off on Monday morning by discussing the current state of the Sabres organization as they continue to pick up points, but fail to find wins. Sneaky Joe explains why he’s growing concerned about the team and doesn’t know who he can count on to produce offense. They look back on the Alex Tuch departure as Tuch scored a pair of goals, including the game winner on Saturday night in overtime.
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00:00That tuck, two-goal performance, great.
00:03Exactly what Sabre fans needed right in the moment, right?
00:07Exactly what they needed.
00:08Good morning, it's Jeremy Joe.
00:10Jeremy's off today through Wednesday.
00:11I was in D.C. I did not go to the game, though.
00:14Decided not to go.
00:15I mean, Saturday night, end of the trip,
00:18we were leaving at like 4.30 in the morning on Sunday.
00:24That'd be a tough, tough thing.
00:25I want to go to this game.
00:27You know what really sold it for me?
00:29Me and my brother were there.
00:30We were deciding whether to go.
00:32Took the baby.
00:33Me and my wife went as well.
00:35And she did great.
00:37Heard a lot of people tell me, like, do it now
00:40when they're like five, six months old.
00:42It's a lot easier.
00:44That absolutely rung true.
00:45It was much easier than we were worried about.
00:48Why didn't we go to Sabres and Capitals?
00:50Part of it for me was all the buildings seemed the same to me.
00:54Yeah.
00:55It's not like I'm going to Lambeau or, like,
00:57ooh, let me see South Bend.
01:00You know, like these football stadiums around the country
01:02that I'd love to see.
01:03Ballparks are all unique and different, right?
01:05It's pretty standard.
01:07A lot of a ball, like the Pittsburgh ballpark
01:09is one I still haven't gotten to that I want to.
01:11What am I going to see in the Capitals arena
01:13that's, like, ooh, really that different and cool?
01:16Yeah, that's a good point.
01:17I don't know how many buildings in the league
01:19necessarily differentiate themselves in any meaningful way.
01:23Vegas maybe is a show before the game
01:26and, like, that might bring you in there
01:27and want to see a game there.
01:29But I have a hard time thinking of any more
01:32sort of draws necessarily to a building,
01:35which is weird for a gate-driven league.
01:37Right.
01:37I mean, baseball is the one I'm thinking about a lot.
01:41Fenway, right?
01:41Like, I'd want to see Fenway because of the building.
01:44Right.
01:45Yes.
01:45I'd want to go to Vegas because of the other stuff
01:48that's going on.
01:48I'd want to go to Montreal, but that's not because
01:51the Bell Center.
01:52That's because I want to see the atmosphere
01:54of the Montreal fans.
01:56The people.
01:57Right.
01:59What arena in the league gives you anything?
02:03MSG does that, I think.
02:05Yes, that's one.
02:06That's definitely one.
02:07Madison Square Garden is definitely that.
02:09What about the Garden Hall?
02:10But I don't have, like, the old, like,
02:11the Montreal Forum or Maple Leaf Gardens or...
02:15Even the Odd.
02:16The Odd.
02:16Like, there used to be, at least, buildings
02:20that were like that and historic
02:21and kind of meant something to get to.
02:24Yeah.
02:25And I don't know how many of those are left, really.
02:28There might not.
02:28There might just be the one.
02:29The Saddle.
02:30Madison Square Garden.
02:31That's probably it.
02:31The Saddle Dome in Calgary,
02:33but this is the last year of that building.
02:35Like, that...
02:35And it's pretty...
02:37Known for being pretty crappy now,
02:38but it's a historic building.
02:40Yeah.
02:41The one that looks like a Pringle.
02:42Yes.
02:43That's right.
02:44I mean, it does.
02:46Totally does.
02:46It does.
02:47From the top?
02:48Yeah.
02:48Yeah.
02:48I'm not trying to get to Calgary for that, so...
02:50No, no.
02:51I don't need to, you know,
02:52force my way up there for that one.
02:53Well, I didn't go.
02:54Fine.
02:55Like, they get a point.
02:56We'll talk about Hellebuck today, too.
03:00We'll start there.
03:01I do want to talk about Sunday Night Football last night,
03:03and it was pretty much a perfect week off for the Bills.
03:08Couldn't be better.
03:09On the out-of-town scoreboard.
03:10What a hate watch last night, watching the Chiefs not be able to do anything on offense.
03:16But, all right.
03:18I am officially worried.
03:22It took me 11 games.
03:25I wanted to make it until November, at least.
03:30But, I'm officially worried about the Sabres.
03:34They have lost now four of their last five.
03:37They have...
03:38They are getting points.
03:40Like, they are getting to overtime in the shootout.
03:42I don't really know how they got to overtime on Saturday.
03:46They got to overtime because of a magic puck that somehow Noah Oslin shot from the right,
03:51and then the puck flew in from the far left.
03:54Yeah.
03:55Does anyone still know where that puck came from?
03:57I really don't.
03:58No.
03:58There was some talk about the ice not being hard enough,
04:01so there were crazy bounces going on.
04:03You wouldn't be able to see it.
04:04So, I don't know.
04:04It could have been attributed to that.
04:06I have no idea, though.
04:07I just think too many things look bad right now.
04:13Too many things don't look good.
04:15And, I don't know...
04:17Now, I'm really getting to a point that Jeremy's been on for...
04:21I mean, maybe he was on it since the second game of the season.
04:24Who am I supposed to count on?
04:25Yeah.
04:26Who am I supposed to count on?
04:27I feel like, so far, you can count on Jack Quinn.
04:30He looks great.
04:31That's right.
04:32Yeah.
04:32But, I need more than two guys.
04:34And, even Tage.
04:36Like, I think...
04:37I saw a good tweet about this on Saturday.
04:39Like, don't let the Hellebuck thing and Tuck scoring and the power play and all this
04:43distract you from the fact that the best two Sabres players are not really on their A-game
04:49so far to start this year.
04:50And, you could include Dahlien.
04:52It's almost incredible that they are not at the very bottom of the...
04:57Like, I mean, like, train wreck type of record.
05:00Well, and that...
05:01But, that's what I keep going back to is, like, doesn't that make you feel a little
05:05better?
05:06If they come alive, if one or two of these pieces that we feel like we should be counting
05:14on wake up.
05:16If Josh Doan starts to score and now he's on a 70-point pace, let's say.
05:23That's high, I know.
05:25Or, like, let's even bring that down.
05:27Let's go 55 for Doan.
05:30And, let's get...
05:31Name a guy.
05:32I mean, Kulik.
05:34Or, Helenus.
05:35Like, come alive here.
05:36Oh, Norris.
05:37Can Norris do...
05:38Can Josh Norris do anything for this team?
05:40That's a big question right now.
05:41And, if you get Dahlien to play at the Norris level he was at last year and put that in
05:47with a team that is getting points in overtime, I'm ready to give them a little more time
05:53here, is what I'm trying to get to.
05:54I think that all you need is a couple things to fall into place here and you are going
06:00to get to a better position.
06:02This is not...
06:04Like you said, they are getting points even with all of these major issues that they have
06:09right now.
06:09The penalty kill and the power play are awful.
06:13Pretty bad.
06:13It's awful.
06:14And, the goaltending has been tough.
06:17And, their best two players haven't been great.
06:21And, they're still getting points.
06:23And, like, I don't want to be, like, flying in the face of the concern right now guy, but
06:28I'm just prepared to give them a little more time.
06:31This was always going to take time with these young guys.
06:33Always.
06:34I know that they talked about, like, and they were the tuck replacement.
06:37And, you want the tuck replacement to be the tuck replacement right away, I don't think
06:42that was ever going to happen.
06:44I need...
06:45I feel like I need to give them a little more runway here to see if some of these guys
06:50can't
06:50get themselves going.
06:52Because, I think if they do, I think they're fine.
06:55These might be big ifs, though.
06:57I don't know how big the ifs are.
06:59And, that's where, I guess, like, I want to start seeing flashes.
07:04I want to start seeing signs of it.
07:06Like, it'd be better for me if Helen Hughes, for instance, was out there creating and looking
07:13dangerous and, oh, it's just not really going in yet.
07:17And, Kulik, I would really want to include in that.
07:20I'm not really seeing them look very dangerous.
07:22I'm not seeing them move around the ice with the puck all the time and creating chances.
07:26Like, I was getting that from Helen Hughes in the playoffs last year, even when he wasn't
07:29scoring.
07:30At Game 7, he came closer to scoring the game-winning goal for the Sabres than anybody else did
07:34late in that third period.
07:36Every time he stepped out on the ice, it's like, oh, he made Dobish make a bunch of great
07:41saves by the end of that game.
07:43And, I'm just not seeing that from him right now.
07:46But, that could be the wing.
07:47That could be a lot of things.
07:49It could be a lack of chemistry with any line aside from the Oslin one right now, which is
07:53becoming a concern for me.
07:55The quote, we're trying to find our game, continues to be said.
07:59And, after the way last season went, I know you lost some pretty integral pieces, but some
08:03lines should have their game that don't.
08:05So, I don't know.
08:06Just hearing that over and over again is a little concerning to me.
08:094-4-3.
08:10They go out west.
08:11That could be a good time to go out west.
08:12That's where their 10-game win streak began last year.
08:15It was Western Canada.
08:15The leadership group went to dinner, allegedly, and then things turned around.
08:19Who's going to dinner this time?
08:21Who's at the dinner?
08:22Josh Doan.
08:23Can Josh Doan be at the dinner table?
08:25Can Josh Norris be at the dinner table?
08:27I don't know if Josh Norris can be at the dinner table.
08:29I don't think...
08:31Who has a seat at the table?
08:32Who has a seat at this year's dinner?
08:34Because last year, there would have been...
08:36I mean, Tuck would have been at the dinner table.
08:38For sure, Tuck would have been at the dinner table.
08:40I don't know.
08:41Tuck might have been running show at the dinner table.
08:43He might have.
08:43You know, on him, they clearly, clearly miss him.
08:48I don't know that anybody could even try to make an argument that they don't.
08:51No.
08:52He is...
08:53He's a 30-plus goal scorer on a regular basis that gives you great play in his own end and
09:01is a core penalty killer.
09:02Just, that is the list of things the Sabres could use right now.
09:09And I'm not playing, you know, just in retrospect, like, oh, this is going well for him in Washington.
09:16He's got seven goals already on the season.
09:18Well, now I wish the Sabres signed him.
09:20I'm like, I always wish the Sabres signed him.
09:22I always wish they met his price and just even paid whatever it took, $10.75 million a year, $11
09:30million per year.
09:32I just never thought that it was a salary that was going to look bad for you as the cap
09:40rises the way it was.
09:42The only consequence, and looking back, I think this is one area that it almost makes it more frustrating that
09:50they're not playing well,
09:51that the Sabres could have done, and what they maybe didn't want to do by signing Tuck was having to
09:57say goodbye to guys right now.
09:59This is where their cap situation was, right?
10:01Like, it was a lot of space, a lot of space in the future years past this season, but this
10:07year you would have had to make cuts.
10:08Like, you would not have been able to bring back Peyton Krebs.
10:11You would not have been able to probably keep Jason Zucker.
10:14That's right.
10:15You probably would not have been able to, maybe you would have had to dump one more.
10:21Malenstein, that was $3 million.
10:23You don't sign Louis Crevier.
10:24No, that's true.
10:26Right.
10:27Malenstein is somebody that's costing you $3 million.
10:29You'd have to say, like, we're just going to have to put Tyson Kozak in that spot and hope that
10:32we get 80% of what Malenstein's giving us as a fourth liner.
10:36That's another.
10:37Fourth line hasn't been great to begin with this season.
10:39True.
10:40But, like, right there, between Krebs, Zucker, and Malenstein, like, that's the tuck contract.
10:47That's the money.
10:47That's the money.
10:48And you didn't want to get rid of three quarters to keep the dollar.
10:54And I said this on Friday, and my rationale about the tuck departure was, okay, you want to let that
11:05go because you don't think it's a smart decision long term.
11:08Fine.
11:08You have to find something that is that you have to find a use for that money that helps your
11:16team now and that you think will be effective in the future like that.
11:19Mm-hmm.
11:20And that has not come.
11:21And that's where I get frustrated.
11:24Like, I would have loved to keep tuck, but I thought they made a prudent decision, and I maybe didn't
11:31love it.
11:31But I liked that the GM was confident enough to say, I don't think this is smart, and I'm going
11:38to hold by this philosophy, and I'm not going to chase this.
11:43And I thought I'm going to go out and make use of that money and that opportunity and that role
11:51elsewhere, and that is missing right now.
11:53And that is a problem, and that is how much of that is how much they're struggling right now.
11:59Because like I said, I don't think they're that far off of being really good again.
12:05And does that player, does Alex Tuck or an Alex Tuck-level player make that difference?
12:12Maybe.
12:13He, right now, I think he'd be making a difference for this team.
12:20Like, I think the areas they're struggling in, he'd be helping.
12:23He'd be helping a lot.
12:26And I also just want to see, and I think the Tuck signing would have been a signing like this.
12:33It would have been, you know, as much as what we think is prudent and smart is what, you know,
12:40we really want to be acting on.
12:42Often, I feel like what sometimes that can end up meaning is just cheap and young.
12:47Yeah.
12:47Like, when I was looking at this athletic piece on Thursday or Friday, it was one of the days I
12:54was off.
12:54On what the NHL is average age and where the Sabres rank and where they have ranked.
13:05They've never been in the top half of the league while Terry Pagula has been the owner of the team.
13:10That is 16 years from oldest to youngest.
13:14They have always, for 16 years.
13:18And I know many of those years they are rebuilding, but not all of them.
13:22There are a few years in there, including the last, how long have they been trying to win now?
13:28Four or five years?
13:30Since it's been like, okay, that's the standard.
13:32Not just, well, internal growth from the young guys is good enough.
13:36And if we have 80 points, then nobody's going to be mad at us.
13:38Right.
13:38It's been five years.
13:40Yes.
13:40Yes.
13:41And in all five of those years, they're one of like the three youngest teams in the league.
13:44Every single year.
13:46And I got this hellebuck deal on Friday, which I want to talk about.
13:49And I've got Tuck walking out the door.
13:51And the offseason that I just had after the season they had.
13:57I just want to act like a team that wants to win the Stanley Cup now.
14:04And I heard Mike Schulte make this point on Friday.
14:06It's one that I've made before and I've thought a lot about many times.
14:09Is when have the Buffalo Sabres ever acted like what you see from Vegas and Florida?
14:19Teams that are just bleep them picks.
14:23We want to win the Cup.
14:24And those teams have won the Stanley Cup.
14:27That's not a coincidence.
14:28I think they act like that and it makes them better and gives them a better chance to win it.
14:33The Sabres have never acted like that.
14:35When's the last time they were truly serious about winning the Cup?
14:40Because they have a long history of their star players leaving.
14:46In part because they probably don't think the team is serious enough.
14:49Yeah.
14:50Breer and Drury walking out the door.
14:52I mean, Eichel is different.
14:53I think Eichel is more about even just getting to the playoffs.
14:55Not just the Cup.
14:56But Breer and Drury.
14:58And Drury especially for that.
15:00I think Hasek is on that list.
15:03Paca, there's a contract dispute, but he sits out a year.
15:07I've got this long list of players that don't stick around and they end up leaving.
15:13And then they go and they succeed elsewhere.
15:15Usually on franchises that I feel like act like they are more serious and more intent about winning the Stanley
15:21Cup.
15:22I think to get to a little bit of the hellebuck conversation here, we could do that in greater depth.
15:30But they probably didn't want to part with a Consta Heleneus or a Uri Kulik.
15:34And I can understand why that is smart and why you wouldn't want to do that.
15:39I also understand that the Florida Panthers or Vegas Golden Knights would never have Consta Heleneus on their team.
15:45They wouldn't have him.
15:46He'd never make it.
15:48They'd trade him for a great player.
15:50There's no way a player like that, a young first-round pick, level talent like that, would ever play for
15:55Vegas or Florida.
15:56They'd move him.
15:57They'd get Brady Kachuk.
15:59They'd get Mark Stone.
16:00They'd get whoever the next version of that is.
16:03And when am I allowed to be that?
16:05Am I ever allowed to be that?
16:07Or because I'm Buffalo and I'm a small market and I have to cling to my players because I'm afraid
16:13they're going to leave someday or just I'm afraid of what?
16:16Am I ever allowed to be that?
16:18Because clearly the answer is I'm not allowed to be that right now.
16:21Right, right.
16:22If anything, if they were that, I think you would attract more of the talent like Hellebuck because you, again,
16:27would show you're being serious, truthfully.
16:29But I don't know.
16:30I don't know if they're ever allowed to be that.
16:32They've never been that.
16:33I think the first offseason with Pagula was this a little bit.
16:37Right.
16:38That was Erhoff.
16:39That was Regeer.
16:40That was Villilano.
16:42And that flamed out.
16:45And I wonder if that gives the guy up in charge some pause about doing that kind of thing.
16:52Forever?
16:54Maybe forever.
16:55That's a long time ago now.
16:57Exactly.
16:57But what are we supposed to think?
17:02What are we supposed to think?
17:03I think we are one thing that I'm hoping to think.
17:09And the longer it goes without the move, it'll be harder to point to this.
17:15But what I would like to think is that they do want to do it now.
17:20Yes.
17:21But they still have a line in the sand, right?
17:23Like, I feel like after seeing what the Hellebuck deal and what the package ended up being, the deal was
17:30there to be had.
17:31And even if you think, well, overpayment is, for what we believe overpayment is, is what it will take to
17:39get this deal done.
17:42Some part of me still wants them to say, screw it.
17:44All right, it's going to cost us Uri Kulik.
17:46Then it costs us Uri Kulik because we're going and getting a goaltender we think can help us win the
17:50Stanley Cup right now.
17:52And I think there are other organizations that would act like that.
17:55And not just, well, we only want to do it if it's the best deal.
18:01I don't know.
18:02I don't want to go all in on that because I don't want them to go scorched earth and trade
18:06Dex and Rudolph and Consta Hellenuse and two first-round picks.
18:09Like, of course, there's a line for everybody.
18:12But I just want to see this move.
18:14I want to see a move that shows me that they're serious about winning and not a year after ending
18:22a 15-year playoff drought where this is how they acted for the majority of them.
18:27Acting like development and the future is what the plan of the team is.
18:31Yeah.
18:31It was a year ago yesterday, that guy walking out of Key Bank Center screaming at people about, like, all
18:38of that, right?
18:38I swear I heard that guy earlier this year yelling about their goaltending.
18:41Maybe.
18:41You told me about that.
18:42I really believe it.
18:43It had to be the same guy.
18:44Right.
18:45But we're a year out, and right now, vibe-wise for a lot of people, it feels like we're right
18:50where it was a year ago, right?
18:51Like, that's where people are starting to get concerned.
18:54Hellbuck didn't go for, like, anything.
18:56No.
18:57I mean, it was six pieces.
19:00But it was a lot of garbage.
19:01It was two things that matter and four things that are just dust in the wind.
19:06Yeah.
19:06A second-round pick in 2029.
19:08Do you know when that player, if he makes it?
19:11What's a second-round pick?
19:12Like, 30% to make the NHL?
19:14Maybe.
19:14If that.
19:15If he does.
19:16That's a big if.
19:17He'll make the NHL.
19:18When does that player play for Winnipeg?
19:212034.
19:21Yeah, 2035.
19:22See you then.
19:23On a third line near me.
19:25I mean, come on.
19:27It was a bunch of garbage and a Ryan McLeod and a 12th overall pick from last year.
19:36Yeah.
19:36That's what they got.
19:37Yeah.
19:39That ends up not being.
19:40No.
19:41I mean, that's Winnipeg doing a bad job.
19:43There's no way they didn't have multiple offers at the draft that were better than that.
19:47I mean, we know they had the Sabres offer that was better than that.
19:49And Elliott Friedman talking about July 1st yesterday.
19:52Yeah.
19:53He tweeted that out.
19:54Like, there were definitely better offers on the table.
19:55That, that, that is going to be a thing now, by the way.
20:00Like, Friedman confirming the Lucanen no trade clause, nixing the Hellebuck trade.
20:07You might as well put up a wanted poster on every corner of the city.
20:09I mean, as if that guy needed anything else piled on top of him right now, that is really, really
20:14tough.
20:16But the deal is, I mean, it's, I would have done it in a heartbeat.
20:21I put my value thing out, and I think I overshot it just to try to, like, prove, like, this,
20:27I want to, like, this was, this would have beat the devil's deal.
20:31And I would have, I would have hit send on that trade.
20:36I also would have done that in a heartbeat.
20:38Yep.
20:38But he's a devil.
20:39He is a devil.
20:40And the devils are going to be a wagon because they're probably getting Quinn Hughes at some point, too.
20:44Yep.
20:45Yep.
20:45I had that same thought.
20:46Wow.
20:47We'll take a call.
20:47I want to get more into, like, where, all right, no Hellebuck.
20:51Where do we go from here?
20:52Also on the Chiefs last night.
20:53But let's take a call.
20:54Carmine in the car.
20:55What's up, Carmine?
20:56Good morning, guys.
20:59I don't know if you've ever seen that movie called Get Smart with Steve Carell and Anne Hathaway and The
21:04Rock.
21:05I have seen that movie.
21:06Weirdly, it's one of my brother's favorite movies.
21:09So you remember the part where The Rock staples the piece of paper on that guy's forehead?
21:13Yes.
21:15That's Terry Pagula stapling a memo on every front office guy's forehead saying, don't pull a Tim Murray.
21:21Because you guys hit on the point earlier, but, and I've always felt this way, that this owner is so
21:27afraid of trying to mortgage the future because of just past things that bit him.
21:36And, I mean, like, we're not asking for a Tim Murray.
21:38Like, we're just asking to move pieces that are not going to be a fit on this roster with a
21:45core that includes Tate Thompson and Rasmus Dahlien, who can't afford to wait three years to win the Cup.
21:50Like, Paige is not getting younger.
21:52We've got to remember he's getting close to 30.
21:56Is he 30 or?
21:5728, 28.
21:59Okay.
22:00Like, how many times, how many years are you going to score 40 goals?
22:03And we, and look, I wanted to keep Tuck, you know, that's always been my thing.
22:12I still think our main problems are way beyond just Alex Tuck because, first of all, power play, Tuck wasn't
22:19fixing that because he never played power play.
22:21Penalty kill, yes.
22:23And I know they've tried to make moves for a penalty killer because they, man, they badly need that.
22:29And it goes beyond goaltending.
22:31Like, I'm just, I feel like we're kind of lost right now because part of it is also the fact
22:37that we have a $8 million hole in Josh Norris, a $5 million hole in Ryan McLeod, a $7 million
22:46hole in Zach Benson currently.
22:49And my last point is, I just sort of feel like probably most Savers fans bamboozled because, like, I witnessed
22:56both game ones of the playoffs last year in person.
23:01And I saw the way these guys played, like the North, or sorry, the Doan, Benson, like, what is going
23:10on?
23:10Like, do we just have a bunch of Brian Bickles on our team right now where they only show up
23:15in the playoffs or something?
23:16Because they're just not doing enough right now.
23:18Yeah, thanks, Carmine, for the call.
23:19And I do not agree about the Benson point.
23:21What I think could be happening there, at least what my thought is about, like, all right, these guys were
23:29balls to the wall, all out, effort, total, total team effort last season.
23:36Not just in the playoffs, but from December on.
23:39Like, it was a story about how they bought in and they outworked every team.
23:48I mean, the Sharks coach, I still remember the quote last year about how, oh, we think our team works
23:54hard.
23:54We should be watching that team across the ice that we just played, talking about the Sabres.
24:00And that's great.
24:02That's great to have.
24:03But can you do that all the time?
24:08Can you always be on 110% like that?
24:12Because I guarantee the best teams in the league are not always on, and they win a lot of games
24:19because they're just more talented than you.
24:23So, maybe that was easier for them last year, by the way, than it is right now.
24:26So, I think that they have some holes, that they have some things to figure out, and they probably will
24:39look better in, there's no way they're going to look this bad all year on all three of goaltending, power
24:45play, and penalty kill.
24:46So, one of them probably comes around.
24:49I'd like to know if two of them are going to come around.
24:51Because that, to me, is the difference between what they were last year and this year.
24:56So, on goaltending, by the way, we'll talk about that.
25:00Because, like Owen just mentioned, the Lucanen piece about him denying a trade to Winnipeg, kind of on take two
25:08of the deal, after July 1st, which is pretty much out there.
25:13What now?
25:15So, Hellebuck's not happening.
25:17That conversation now, dead forever, it went way past its expiration date because the Jets totally bungled it and held
25:25on and held on and held on and ended up getting less than they could have gotten four months ago.
25:29So, now that that's happened, it's like, is this team just going to go forward with Lucanen and the two
25:36guys next to him for two years, three years?
25:41It's tough to really figure out what that future is going to look like, too.
25:45And what's going to happen right now.
25:46I mean, right now, it's just a one-man show.
25:48Ellis doesn't exist anymore for this team.
25:51803-0550 is the phone number.
25:54If you want to talk Bills, we will get into Ravens Week with Baltimore ahead and whether Lamar Jackson will
26:00play.
26:01And now the Bills are tied for the one seed because the Chiefs fall last night in Seattle.
26:06We got a bunch of thoughts on that game.
26:08Great hate watch last night.
26:10It's Jeremy and Joe.
26:11Sal, join the show at 8 o'clock.
26:12More football with him as well.
26:14And time for your phone calls at 803-0550.
26:17It's Jeremy and Joe here on WGR.