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Is the vision some children in Medjugorje had really the mother of Jesus, as some claim, or a lying wonder? The answer to that question would obviously be worth knowing. But let’s assume for a minute that the vision really is Mary, the mother of our Lord and Savior; would she lie to you?
I’m going to assume that you said, “No”; Mary, the mother of Jesus wouldn’t lie to me. And I’m further going to assume that all of Christianity would also agree with you. Therefore, if what the vision said to the children in Medjugorje is not true, the vision must be a lying wonder. These are the only two choices.
In order for you and I to know whether or not what the vision told the children was the truth or a lie, we would have to interview the children, respectfully question them, and then follow up on what the vision told them. Well, the Vatican of the Roman Catholic Church has done that investigation for us.
They found that there are many contradictions and inaccuracies in what the vision told the children. To be perfectly clear, that doesn’t mean the children didn’t really see a vision. What it does mean is that whatever they did see was a “lying wonder”.
After 15 years of study, the Vatican did not declare the apparitions authentic or of supernatural origin. Nevertheless, the Vatican determined that, even though the vision was a lying wonder, it would be okay for Roman Catholics to visit and worship at the site. Yet, God says He is seeking people to worship Him in spirit and truth (John 4:23). You can’t have it both ways. Watch this video as Dr. Thiel shines the light of Biblical truth on the truth of God vs lying wonders.
Read the full article to this video titled “Mary has not spoken at Medjugorje, yet Pope Leo XIV appointed a new Vatican envoy to Medjugorje and claims it has ‘spiritual fruits’: Signs and lying wonders!” at URL https://www.cogwriter.com/news/religious-news/mary-has-not-spoken-at-medjugorje-yet-pope-leo-xiv-appointed-a-new-vatican-envoy-to-medjugorje-and-claims-it-has-spiritual-fruits/
I’m going to assume that you said, “No”; Mary, the mother of Jesus wouldn’t lie to me. And I’m further going to assume that all of Christianity would also agree with you. Therefore, if what the vision said to the children in Medjugorje is not true, the vision must be a lying wonder. These are the only two choices.
In order for you and I to know whether or not what the vision told the children was the truth or a lie, we would have to interview the children, respectfully question them, and then follow up on what the vision told them. Well, the Vatican of the Roman Catholic Church has done that investigation for us.
They found that there are many contradictions and inaccuracies in what the vision told the children. To be perfectly clear, that doesn’t mean the children didn’t really see a vision. What it does mean is that whatever they did see was a “lying wonder”.
After 15 years of study, the Vatican did not declare the apparitions authentic or of supernatural origin. Nevertheless, the Vatican determined that, even though the vision was a lying wonder, it would be okay for Roman Catholics to visit and worship at the site. Yet, God says He is seeking people to worship Him in spirit and truth (John 4:23). You can’t have it both ways. Watch this video as Dr. Thiel shines the light of Biblical truth on the truth of God vs lying wonders.
Read the full article to this video titled “Mary has not spoken at Medjugorje, yet Pope Leo XIV appointed a new Vatican envoy to Medjugorje and claims it has ‘spiritual fruits’: Signs and lying wonders!” at URL https://www.cogwriter.com/news/religious-news/mary-has-not-spoken-at-medjugorje-yet-pope-leo-xiv-appointed-a-new-vatican-envoy-to-medjugorje-and-claims-it-has-spiritual-fruits/
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00:04Greetings, friends. This is Steve Dupuis for the Bible News Prophecy Program with Dr. Bob
00:09Thiel, bringing you news and analysis of world events in life of Bible prophecy. Dr. Thiel,
00:15did you happen to see that recent news article regarding Pope Leo and the claimed Marian
00:21apparition Medjugorje? Yes. The Senate actually reported that Pope Leo XIV appointed a new
00:30Vatican envoy to Medjugorje as, quote, the church recognizes its spiritual fruits. And they have
00:41given this what's called a Nill Hill Obstat, which says they're not objecting to anything going on
00:47there or people worshiping there, basically. Now, this started to happen during the pontificate of
00:53Pope Francis. And so they say that there's no obstacle to the faithful's prudent participation
01:00in a spiritual exercise. But the Vatican is saying the significance of Medjugorje lies in what happens
01:10in the lives of the pilgrims, particularly the conversions, renewed participation in the
01:15sacraments, devotion to the Eucharist, religious vocations, and charitable initiatives.
01:21Well, is it true that the visitors to the site bear real spiritual fruit?
01:27No. Things like devotion to the Eucharist is not spiritual fruit. And it's a continuation of a
01:34pattern we've seen in our last couple of years. Like, back in September 2024, here's a headline,
01:40Vatican gives a green light to devotion at Bosnia site in Medjugorje, where Madonna reportedly
01:46appeared. And it says after 15 years of analysis, the Vatican's office didn't declare that it was
01:55authentic or a supernatural origin. And it flagged concerns about contradictions in some of the messages
02:02the alleged visionaries have said they've gotten over the years. But it says there's spiritual fruits
02:09from going to Medjugorje. And therefore, they said that it's still going to be okay.
02:17And supposedly, the Virgin Mary has appeared to the seers more than 40,000 times since 1981.
02:26That's from the article. Now, consider that the Vatican has given Medjugorje
02:31milho abstat, which means no objection. Yet, those of the Vatican who looked at it have seen
02:37many false and contradictory statements. Would it be accurate to say that this report makes it sound
02:44as if the Roman Catholic faithful are accepting a lie? Yes. Jesus' mother Mary is not appearing in
02:52Medjugorje or giving messages. The idea that he is is false. I'm going to read something from the
02:57Catholic LifeSite News. Vatican Holy Spirit acting for the good in Medjugorje, but it won't say if it's
03:05authentic. It said again, it gave you this milho abstat, but it says that there are some issues with
03:13this that are problematic and they're not sure if it's supernatural. Because although we find many
03:19positive elements, some people believe that certain messages contain contradictions or are for the
03:27financial interests of the visionaries. Okay? The messages that attribute to Our Lady the expression of
03:34my plan or my project are also problematic, as are other things associated with it. But in the midst of
03:43this phenomena, supposedly, the Holy Spirit's carrying out many beautiful and positive things.
03:50And it also was asked, this apparition, if all religions are good. And it said,
03:56all religions are similar before God. God rules over them all just like a sovereign over his kingdom.
04:04So basically, the Vatican is saying a mixture of good and evil is fine.
04:10So, is the statement, all religions are similar before God, true? Or is that statement false?
04:19False. It's false. But even in 2024, Pope Francis made a similar blasphemous assertion when he falsely
04:26stated, quote, every religion is a way to arrive to God, end quote. And the article title was called,
04:33Pope Francis points to interfaith salvation in this age. Now, in John 4, verse 23, Jesus himself taught,
04:42But the hour is coming, and now is, when true worshipers will worship the Father in spirit and
04:48truth. The Father is seeking such to worship him. God is spirit, and those who worship him must worship
04:55in spirit and truth. Now, the truth is, Mary's not giving messages to seers at Medjugorje.
05:02And many of the messages that are going out there are false. Now, Jesus repeatedly referred to the
05:08Holy Spirit as the spirit of truth. The Holy Spirit is not manifesting truth through the seers at
05:15Medjugorje. Now, in the past, Pope Francis himself voiced serious concern about the authenticity of
05:23the apparitions at Medjugorje. But Rome still says it's okay to go over there. Now, in 2017,
05:31it was reported he had serious concerns about the alleged continuing apparitions of the Madonna
05:37in Medjugorje. These presumed apparitions don't have a lot of value, the Pope said.
05:46He says that, I personally am more nasty about this. I prefer the Madonna as mother, our mother,
05:57not a Madonna who's the head of a telegraph office, who every day sends a message of such
06:02and such an hour. This is not the mother of Jesus, he said. Now, by the way, that is from
06:07Pope Francis.
06:08He continues with, who thinks the Madonna says, come tomorrow at this sign and at such time,
06:14and I'll deliver a message that visionary, end quote. Well, Pope Francis correctly stated,
06:19this is not the mother of Jesus. Now, interestingly, the old Worldwide Church of God, back in 1987,
06:27warned about this Medjugorje thing, said that since September 24, 1981, several young people
06:34experienced Mary, an apparition on a daily basis. They've claimed to get various secrets concerning
06:41the future of the world. And the apparition said it was the Queen of Peace. And he says that it's
06:49not
06:49getting a lot of coverage in the United States, but it's a big deal in other places. Well, nearly 40
06:56years after he wrote that in 1987, it's still kind of a big deal. Now, anyway, Medjugorje is a town
07:02located in Herzegovina. It's a region of western Bosnia and Herzegovina. And that's where these
07:09so-called Marian apparitions come. She is often referred to as, quote, Our Lady of Medjugorje,
07:18or, quote, Our Lady Queen of Peace, by those who believe she's been appearing there since 1981,
07:25to, at that time, six children. And the apparitions allegedly have been giving daily or nearly daily
07:31messages to three or so people ever since. Others have said that, by the way, it said it's
07:37only going to give messages for three days. And that was zillions of years ago, but it keeps going on.
07:42Anyway, the Medjugorje apparition is false. It's demonic. But again, since Pope Francis had
07:50endorsed other demonic apparitions, he seems to be content to have relatively mild doubts while
07:57encouraging people who want to visit Medjugorje to do it.
08:00Well, are there any other Roman Catholic clergy that don't believe the vision in Bosnia is from God?
08:07Oh, yes. Monsignor Pavel Zanek, who was a former bishop of that region back in 1990,
08:16wrote, Even a short description of the falsehoods about Medjugorje, we would need 200 pages.
08:21Okay? And then, in 2013, the Apostolic Nunciart of the United States communicated
08:32that whether clergy or lay people, they're not permitted to participate in meetings, conferences,
08:37or public celebrations, which the credibility of apparitions like this would be taken for granted.
08:43And then, in 1985, Cardinal Ratzinger, the guy who became Pope Benedict XVI,
08:49quote, Banned pilgrages to the site. But this has been widely ignored. Instead,
08:55the seers have grown wealthy as a result of their claims, end quote. Anyway, these so-called
09:01Marian apparitions are not from the God of the Bible.
09:04There are literally millions of people that believe that Marian message. What would be the
09:10purpose of those messages if they are not accurate? What's the point?
09:14I think it's satanic. Either with one or more demons being apparitions and or by influencing the
09:21so-called seers to lie. Again, the popes have said it's not Marian. It's not a good thing. Yet,
09:29they're accepting it. Yet, because of signs and personal feelings and alleged healings and conversions,
09:35many within Roman Catholicism, as well as Protestants, consider these miraculous
09:39proof that Mary is present in Medjugorje is now speaking to us, despite the fact that part of what
09:45is said is clearly blasphemous and against Scripture. Well, why should anyone other than Roman Catholics
09:53even care about these visions? Because if you live long enough in this century, you're going to find
09:59that there's something to this. Claimed Marian apparitions are a much bigger deal than a lot of
10:03people realize, and I believe they're worn through passages in the Bible. You know, many people don't
10:09realize that Marian apparitions were partially responsible for you. The Greco-Roman church is
10:17gaining influence over the Church of God area in Asia Minor, as well as in Europe in the Middle Ages.
10:23But many people don't know because of apparitions in Mexico and Russia. Nearly all of Latin America
10:30became Roman Catholic, and Russia became accepting of icons.
10:36Satan has many in Asia and other places looking for female apparitions.
10:41And what's going to happen when one or more future Marian apparitions rises up? I think it'll help the
10:47beast rise up. Jesus warned that nearly everyone would be deceived in the end, Matthew 24, 24.
10:54And apparitions look to be part of why. Partially what Medjugorje itself shows is that despite facts,
11:01truth, the Bible, and warnings, people often want to believe what they think they see as well
11:06be opposed to the truth. And this is going to be a bigger problem later as well.
11:11Does God have anything to say about what seems to be mostly female visions?
11:18Yes. In Isaiah 47, I'm going to be using the Dewey Rames Catholic Bible,
11:24he warns of the Virgin, who uses enchantments, is called the Lady of the Kingdoms,
11:28quote, Come thou, sit in the dust, O virgin daughter of Babylon, sit in the ground,
11:36verse 5, Sit you silent, O daughter of the Chaldeans, for you shall no longer be called
11:41the Lady of the Kingdoms, which is what Catholics refer to Mary as.
11:48And you have said, verse 7, I will be a lady forever.
11:52You shall not lay these things to my heart.
11:55Verse 8, Now hear these things. You are delicate and dwell confidently. You say in your heart,
12:00I am, and there's none else besides me. I will not sit as a widow. I shall not know baroness.
12:05So this is some comment being made. While that is in the Old Testament, Revelation chapter 18,
12:13verses 8 to 7 shows that one who says that is going to be destroyed. So there's obviously
12:19prophetic implications of this so-called virgin speaking.
12:24Could there be anything supernatural about these apparitions?
12:29Yes, but that doesn't prove they're from God. In the New Testament, I want to go to 2 Thessalonians
12:35chapter 2. We're going to start with verse 9. The apostle Paul was inspired to write,
12:42The coming of the lawless one is according to the workings of Satan, with all power, signs, and lying wonders,
12:52and with all unrighteous deception among those who perish, because they did not receive the love of the truth.
12:58Now, if people had the love of the truth, they realized these messages at Medjugorje are going
13:01against scripture, and they're wrong. But they're still accepting it. Anyway,
13:06because they didn't receive the love of the truth that they might be saved. And for this reason,
13:10God will send them strong delusion that they should believe the lie. And thinking that Mary's
13:14making messages over Medjugorje is a lie. You know, Pope Francis says it wasn't Jesus' mother, Mary.
13:22Anyway, verse 12, 2 Thessalonians. They'll all be condemned who didn't believe the truth,
13:26but have pleasure and unrighteousness. Deception's got to be
13:31clever in order to work. The multitudes have already been deceived by signs and wonders
13:35coming from statues and alleged apparitions of Mary. And I believe that the interfaith movement
13:42will likely employ some version of Mary for their improper unity. Look, there's nothing in the Bible
13:50that supports the view that God wanted to use weeping statues, apparitions of Mary, et cetera,
13:56to give messages. But it does warn of the Lady of the Kingdoms, and it does warn about signs and
14:02lying wonders. Sadly, however, multiple millions are not willing to accept that now, and even more
14:07according to your Bible, will be deceived in the future. Thank you, Dr. Thiel. For more interviews
14:14with Dr. Thiel, in addition to written, as well as audio articles, visit our website at
14:19BibleNewsProphecy.net. This is Steve Dupuis for the Bible News Prophecy Program.