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Après une première collaboration l'année dernière, le Pavillon de l'Arsenal est heureux de renouveler son partenariat avec le festival d'architecture et de musique Béton le Havre dans le cadre de l'édition 2026, du vendredi 18 septembre au dimanche 20 septembre.
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00:00C'est parti, j'ai vraiment l'enregistré en fait.
00:03Voilà.
00:08Je suis enregistré à vous.
00:12Voilà, et du coup, je peux l'utiliser. Est-ce que je peux l'utiliser en toute journée ?
00:30Merci.
01:08Merci.
01:38Super. Et bien c'est parti pour la dernière conférence de la journée.
01:42Alan nous remercie, il va bientôt être libéré du son.
01:47Merci beaucoup d'être là. C'est donc la dernière conf de la journée.
01:51On est très heureux. Pardon, je vais le faire en français, parce que Josiane après va enchaîner in English.
01:56Donc elle me passe le message de ne pas hésiter à lever la main si jamais il y a des
02:00choses qui vont un peu vite ou qui sont un peu techniques.
02:03N'hésitez vraiment pas à l'interpeller ou à lui demander de répéter des choses si besoin.
02:10Du coup, à moi, en rapide petit propos d'intro, je voulais remercier le pavillon de l'Arsenal et toutes
02:14les équipes de House Europe.
02:16Nous, sur béton, vous le savez, on a grandi dans le béton.
02:20On aime ses réflexions autour du béton.
02:22On a nous-mêmes des questions sur notre ville, comment elle évolue, comment on la conserve, comment mes parents qui
02:28habitent dans le centre se posent des questions sur leur balcon qui prend l'eau.
02:31Donc il y a plein de sujets autour du béton qui sont très connectés avec les enjeux et les réflexions
02:36de House Europe.
02:38Et donc on a déconnecté l'an dernier avec le pavillon de l'Arsenal pour commencer à initier des conférences
02:42autour de ce sujet.
02:43Finalement assez technique, mais au final assez englobant, assez européen.
02:48Donc House Europe est une initiative qui est assez large, qui vise à récolter des votes pour du coup travailler
02:53plutôt pour des logiques de réhabilitation plutôt que de destruction.
02:57C'est un projet qui est super accessible, super intéressant et initial très large.
03:02Donc c'est vraiment quelque chose de super.
03:06Et Josiane, je vous laisse le mic pour expliquer tout.
03:12Merci beaucoup d'avoir venu de Bruxelles.
03:14Nous sommes très heureux d'avoir des gens d'autres pays dans le Havre.
03:20Et c'est un plaisir de vous rencontrer aujourd'hui et d'après le Swing Pool, aussi.
03:26Merci beaucoup Emmanuel.
03:28Je vous souhaite que vous m'entendez.
03:30C'est génial.
03:31Je veux dire ça.
03:32Si quelqu'un a une question ou ne comprends pas, ou je parle beaucoup trop vite,
03:38posez vos mains ou me crie, parce que peut-être que je ne vois pas, donc laissez-moi savoir.
03:43Merci encore pour m'avoir regardé.
03:45Je m'appelle Josiane, et je vais parler aujourd'hui sur le droit à l'havion, maintenant et à l
03:51'heure.
03:52Je sais que le titre que vous avez en français est quelque chose d'alonger la ligne «Renovate over demolition
03:58».
03:59Je vais aussi parler de ça, mais au final je vais comprendre pourquoi c'est une des choses les plus
04:04importantes
04:04pour l'havion de l'havion que nous avons dans l'Europe.
04:08Juste à dire rapidement, je suis un architecte.
04:10Je ne sais pas combien de vous êtes, je pense que c'est un bon bunch.
04:14Mais je suis un architecte, un assez jeune, et j'ai aussi mon propre office.
04:19Mais aujourd'hui je parle sur le nom de House Europe.
04:24Et peut-être que vous avez vu la couleur avant, c'est brouillant à vous.
04:29Mais House Europe est une initiative, une non-profit, que nous avons commencé environ trois ans.
04:35Et juste à dire rapidement ce qu'on est et comment on travaille, c'est une sentence très compliquée.
04:40So House Europe est une communauté-driven non-profit pour l'environnement,
04:46qui traduit la compétence de la compétence de la politique et de l'advocation.
04:51Et c'est juste à dire que nous sommes concernés de comment construire sans coûter les gens et le monde.
05:01Et bien sûr, nous sommes partie de la secteur de la secteur, je suis partie de la secteur de la
05:04secteur,
05:04et beaucoup d'entre vous sont.
05:06Et nous savons comment faire des choses différemment.
05:08Et nous voulons que nous voulons de créer des règles qui permettent à tous les gens de construire en un
05:13meilleur façon.
05:15Et juste à dire, de mon avis, j'ai commencé à étudier 10 ans,
05:19et j'ai le privilège que pour nous, les jeunes architectes,
05:24en train de travailler avec ce qui existe, c'est la norme.
05:30Donc, vous apprendrez ce, vous apprendrez comment faire ça sur un niveau technique,
05:33ce qui est part de ça, ce qui est pour les gens, ce qui est pour les gens, ce qui
05:36est pour le monde,
05:36ce qui est pour le monde, ce qui est pour le monde, et puis vous finissez.
05:39Vous allez partir de l'université et la première chose que la cliente demande à vous de faire,
05:43c'est de démolir la building et de construire une nouvelle.
05:47Et il y a une très simple raison pour ça.
05:50Si c'est un client privé, si c'est une firme, c'est toujours le même.
05:55Renovation est plus cher, c'est plus dur, c'est plus dur.
06:00Donc, chaque personne a décidé de faire la autre chose.
06:04Et pour une firme, une grande développe, c'est aussi la autre chose.
06:09Le nouveau, c'est toujours plus profit.
06:12Donc, chaque building que nous save, chaque building que nous transforme,
06:17c'est une fête de l'architecture de l'architecture de l'architecture de l'architecture de l'architecture.
06:21Ou un seul client, qui se déroule pour l'architecture de l'architecture.
06:23Et ce que nous voulons, c'est pas une fête, mais une fête de l'architecture de l'architecture.
06:28Et nous avons un système pour qu'il est mieux pour faire la meilleure chose.
06:33Et pourquoi nous sommes concernés avec le secteur d'architecture de l'architecture ?
06:37Parce que c'est une de l'architecture de l'architecture de l'architecture.
06:41Donc, 38% de globales CO2 émissions sont en train de l'architecture de l'architecture.
06:47C'est incroyablement indéduqué dans le public.
06:51Nous avons eu un premier study, j'ai commencé, et les gens pensent que l'aviation,
06:57donc, flying somewhere, est plus impactant que nous faisons avec nos houses, avec nos buildings.
07:03Mais en fait, l'aviation est 3.5%.
07:06Donc, nous sommes parlés de un nombre complètement différent et impact.
07:09Et c'est pas seulement ça, mais ça produit 36% de la faite que nous avons dans notre continent.
07:16Et c'est l'un des plus grandes niveaux que nous avons dans notre système économique.
07:20Parce que nous avons 68% de global capital
07:25qui est en train de investisseurs en real estate et dans le land de l'autre.
07:29Donc, c'est l'un des plus grandes niveaux que nous avons dans notre entire economy.
07:33Et c'est un secteur qui est en crise.
07:37Donc, en l'année dernière, nous avons eu un increase de material costs de 15%.
07:43Avec Covid, avec les wars qui sont passés,
07:46building new, c'est plus et plus expensive.
07:49Donc, la façon dont il y a été travaillé est dans la test.
07:53Et, bien sûr, ce n'est pas seulement le matériel,
07:56c'est, au même temps, le land de l'autre et les coûts que l'on produit.
08:01Donc, si nous regardons, par exemple, Berlin.
08:03Dans les années 2010 et 2020,
08:06il y a eu un increase de prix de plus de 1,500%.
08:10Qu'est-ce que ça veut dire ?
08:12Au niveau européen, c'est-à-dire que les rents ont augmenté environ 30%
08:17et les prix de la maison, les prix de la maison, ont augmenté 60%.
08:23Et il y a une chose qui est au cœur de tout ceci.
08:30En ce moment, en temps de la climatisation et de la crise,
08:34le secteur de bâtiment fonctionne en un moyen que chaque minute,
08:38en Europe, un bâtiment est demolée.
08:41Et vous ne parlez pas des ruines.
08:43Nous parlons des bâtiments fonctionnés
08:45qui sont juste trop tiresome,
08:48trop expensive,
08:49trop hard
08:50pour transformer, renovate ou adapt.
08:53Et puis, ils sont juste pris et sont remplacés.
08:57Pourquoi est-ce que ça ?
08:58Je ne sais pas Loivre.
09:00C'est la première fois que j'ai été ici aujourd'hui.
09:03Mais ce que j'ai vu aujourd'hui aujourd'hui,
09:06c'est ce qui reflète très bien pourquoi nous sommes ici,
09:12le secteur de bâtiment en ce que c'est en ce moment-là.
09:13Après la Seconde Guerre,
09:15quand Europe a été bombed,
09:17nous avons inventé un système de réveillage rapidement.
09:21Et nous pouvons voir ça, évidemment.
09:24Et c'était rapide, c'était en concrete,
09:25c'était dans les matériaux qui promettent
09:27que nous pouvons devenir de nouveau
09:30dans le plus rapide possible.
09:31de nouveau en temps.
09:32Donc, nous avons des politiques,
09:35des politiques, des politiques, des politiques,
09:36des politiques, des mechanismses
09:37qui étaient en train de travailler
09:38dans un système pour nous
09:40pour nous réveiller notre continent
09:42en plus rapidement possible.
09:45Et maintenant, des décisions,
09:47après avoir fait ça,
09:48comme on voit ce que nous pouvons voir
09:50dans les streets,
09:51nous avons toujours ce système
09:53et nous avons toujours le logic
09:55de la construction
09:57de la construction
09:57qui est la main chose,
09:59l'easy chose à faire.
10:00C'est-à-dire que, en fait,
10:03c'est-à-dire que, en fait,
10:04c'est-à-dire que, en fait,
10:05ce qui existe,
10:06c'est plus cher.
10:07Mais ce que nous devons réaliser,
10:09et je pense que vous pouvez le voir
10:11quand vous regardez sur Google Earth
10:14aussi beaucoup,
10:15Europe est déjà construite.
10:17et c'est-à-dire que, en fait,
10:18c'est-à-dire qu'on a fait.
10:19Et nous devons utiliser
10:21ce qui est là.
10:26C'est-à-dire qu'on a fait,
10:29c'est-à-dire qu'on a fait,
10:30c'est-à-dire qu'on a fait,
10:32c'est-à-dire qu'on a fait,
11:00c'est-à-dire qu'on a fait,
11:06C'est que maintenant, seulement 25% des bâtiments européens sont rénovés.
11:12C'est-à-dire que 75% sont encore à rentrer.
11:15Et il y a un problème, que notre rénovation rate,
11:20c'est qu'on a fait par année, c'est 1%.
11:24Donc, nous allons perdre notre deadline par un demi-century,
11:29si nous allons continuer la façon dont nous allons.
11:33Mais c'est un positif, si nous pouvons rénover à la vitesse que nous avons besoin,
11:39et que nous pouvons faire pour les gens de la planète,
11:42tout le monde, chaque architecte, pourrait avoir trois fois plus de nombreuses projets.
11:46Et ce que nous devons penser aussi, c'est que c'est des projets local,
11:50que affront local craftsmanship, que affronte le travail de small offices.
11:55Donc, c'est quelque chose qui est complètement dans nos intérêts économiques.
12:00Et le question est, en fin, si nous regardons la façon dont le secteur est fait,
12:05par les policies et par les structures et par les incentives,
12:07c'est un système que nous pouvons construire, que nous pouvons construire,
12:11et que nous devons maintenant redescendre.
12:13Donc, le question est, comment nous pouvons unlocker ce marché et booster la rénovation?
12:20Et ça nous a mis à l'origine de l'House Europe.
12:23On a mis à l'initiative, et on a mis à l'intérieur de 2025,
12:28et c'était l'European Citizens'Initiative pour le pouvoir de la rénovation.
12:32Has anybody entendu ce que l'European Citizens'Initiative est?
12:36Je ne sais pas, c'est une petite note.
12:38Je n'avais pas de idée.
12:40L'European Citizens'Initiative est un des meilleurs tools,
12:46je dois dire ça, parce que je crois vraiment qu'on a une citoyenne d'European.
12:50Parce qu'on a une démocratie fantastique,
12:55c'est une demi-mion de personnes,
12:57mais chaque citoyenne d'Europe a un droit.
12:59Et le droit est de trouver une change de loi sur l'Europe,
13:04de trouver six autres dans six pays,
13:07donc c'est sept en total,
13:09et de trouver une change,
13:11et de trouver un million de supporters dans l'European.
13:15Et de la République, c'est une loi de l'Union,
13:15et c'est un moyen de demander ce que nous demandons.
13:18Cela permet l'European et l'European Commission
13:21de répondre à ces demandes,
13:24et de changer la loi de l'Europe,
13:25si la réponse est oui.
13:28Pour nous, je visse en Switzerland pour un long terme,
13:31je comprends la culture et l'idée,
13:33mais il nous donne un pouvoir démocratique
13:35qui est seulement surpastée par élections.
13:38Et nous avons décidé de faire ce format,
13:41avec beaucoup d'autres institutions,
13:44acteurs, organisations et ainsi de suite,
13:47pour changer,
13:48non seulement la loi,
13:50je pourrais aussi aller à Brussels
13:51et m'aider mon chemin à l'avant,
13:53avec beaucoup de money,
13:54c'est possible,
13:55mais le but de l'actuale goal est
13:57de changer la perception,
13:59parce que ces règles et ces systèmes
14:02sont compréhés comme la loi naturelle.
14:04C'est juste comme nous faisons des choses.
14:06C'est un shame que nous ne pouvons pas faire ça différemment,
14:10mais c'est pas vrai.
14:11Nous avons, en fait,
14:13une politique will,
14:14si les gens croient que nous pouvons faire ça différemment,
14:17et nous pouvons dire que c'est un problème,
14:19nous pouvons faire ça différemment,
14:20nous devons trouver cette politique will ensemble.
14:23Donc, ce que nous demandons
14:24dans cette initiative de l'Europe,
14:25Power to Renovation,
14:27c'est un fondamental value shift
14:30dans la façon dont nous construisons
14:32et que nous faisons l'architecture.
14:33Et c'est, c'est de l'architecture,
14:36à la travail.
14:38Je vais faire un exemple très petit.
14:41Je suis un architectiste,
14:43je suis un architectiste,
14:44et je, en l'architecte,
14:48je suis payée, par exemple,
14:49en relation à quel point de l'argent,
14:52à quel point de l'argent,
14:53à quel point de l'argent,
14:54à la fin de l'argent.
14:56Donc, si je construis un plus grand building,
14:58un plus grand building,
14:59je vais directement profit par le système.
15:02Je ne suis pas payée
15:03pour comprendre un building,
15:05ou pour comprendre comment
15:06adapt et transforme ça,
15:08dans la façon dont nous pratiquons
15:09en l'architecture,
15:10à la moment.
15:11Donc, c'est pas seulement pour nous,
15:12c'est aussi pour tout le monde,
15:14qui est part de la construction,
15:15pour faire un building,
15:16que nous devons changer
15:18ce prix,
15:19que nous attachons à la construction,
15:21from material to labour.
15:24Donc, ce que nous demandons
15:25est le droit de re-use.
15:27Et ce qui veut dire,
15:30c'est qu'il faut faire
15:31la rénovation faster,
15:32easier et cheaper.
15:33Ce sont juste trois points.
15:35C'est la politique,
15:36mais c'est très clair.
15:37Je veux dire,
15:37nous demandons taxer
15:39pour re-use et re-use materials,
15:41parce qu'ils sont des materials
15:42qui ont été taxés déjà.
15:44Pourquoi ils sont taxés
15:45la seconde fois?
15:46Nous demandons de faire règles
15:48pour asser les potentiels
15:49et non seulement les risques
15:50de buildings.
15:51Parce que, de course,
15:52si je adaptais un building,
15:54chaque euro que je borde
15:57pour faire une adaptation
15:58est plus expensive
15:59que si je borde
16:01pour construire quelque chose de nouveau.
16:02Parce que la banque
16:03va toujours voir
16:04les risques
16:05de l'existe de buildings.
16:07Est-ce que c'est pas mal?
16:08Comment peut-être être adapté?
16:10Will-it, en l'end,
16:11bringe-t-il aussi
16:11beaucoup de mètres
16:12comme un nouveau ?
16:14Non.
16:14En l'end, en leur calculatio,
16:16ils ne vont pas.
16:16Donc, c'est un grand risque.
16:17En l'end,
16:18le calculatio est toujours
16:20« comment plus plus mètres ?
16:22Comment plus profit
16:23je peux faire
16:23avec le rent
16:24qui vient de l'end? »
16:25Donc, il y a
16:26une complete
16:27systémique
16:29disadvantage
16:29de la rénovation
16:30et c'est seulement
16:30de l'endroit
16:32de l'endroit
16:33et de l'endroit
16:33et de l'endroit
16:35et de l'endroit
16:35que nous avons
16:35les mêmes
16:37règles
16:38et l'assessement
16:39de potentiel
16:40et de l'endroit
16:40pour les risques.
16:41Et là,
16:42c'est la dernière chose,
16:42et je pense que
16:43pour tous,
16:45que nous n'avons pas
16:47d'account pour
16:48dans notre système
16:49ou ce que nous n'avons pas
16:50quand nous démolions
16:51des buildings
16:52comme nous faisons,
16:53c'est l'embeddée
16:54énergie
16:54et la valeur
16:55que nous perdons.
16:57Si nous perdons
16:58cette construction
16:59par démolir
17:00de l'endroit,
17:00nous perdons
17:01la mémoire
17:02de l'endroit
17:02et tout.
17:03Mais,
17:04c'est l'endroit
17:05de l'endroit
17:06qui n'avons pas
17:06dans le matériau
17:08quand il est construit,
17:09quand il est
17:09pris de l'endroit
17:10et tout.
17:11Et ça,
17:11ce n'est pas
17:13de l'équation.
17:14Ce qui n'est pas
17:14de l'équation
17:15est l'énergie
17:16que nous utilisons
17:17pour réparer
17:17l'endroit.
17:18Ici,
17:18c'est pas une bonne
17:20calculation,
17:20mais si nous
17:21on移ons
17:22pour inclure
17:23l'endroit
17:24énergie,
17:25c'est complètement
17:26changer.
17:26Parce que,
17:27c'est un valeur
17:28que le bâtiment
17:29n'a pas
17:30que nous n'avons
17:31pas d'account
17:31pour sur
17:32l'Europe.
17:33Et ça,
17:34nous avons
17:35de l'équation
17:35de l'équation.
17:37Je vais
17:38passer à l'avant.
17:39C'était un long
17:40année de campagne.
17:41Nous n'avons pas
17:41les 1 million
17:42signatures.
17:43Nous n'avons.
17:44Mais nous avons
17:45un énorme
17:47network
17:47d'institutions.
17:48Nous avons
17:49beaucoup de supporters.
17:51Mais,
17:51ce qui nous a commencé
17:52c'est,
17:53c'est la conversation
17:54non seulement
17:55dans notre secteur
17:56comme architecte,
17:57mais aussi
17:58avec l'institutions
17:59et avec l'organisation
18:00de l'Europe.
18:01Et nous avons
18:02aidé
18:03à avoir
18:04deux choses
18:05d'un.
18:06De commencer
18:06à parler
18:07de l'émolition,
18:08d'abord.
18:08Et,
18:09de l'autre,
18:10à comprendre
18:11l'Europe
18:13un peu mieux.
18:14Parce que,
18:15je suis un germe,
18:16si je parle
18:17de l'émolition,
18:18je peux vous
18:19trois exemples
18:21dans la ville,
18:22que je suis dans,
18:22où c'est la plus
18:24importante chose,
18:25comment nous perdons
18:25des espaces
18:26pour vivre,
18:27des espaces
18:27de mémoire,
18:28des espaces
18:28où l'énergie
18:29est embelle.
18:30Je pense que
18:31en France,
18:31je connais aussi
18:32beaucoup d'examples
18:33où c'est le cas,
18:34où les choses
18:34sont devenues
18:34demolisées.
18:35Mais,
18:35si vous allez,
18:36par exemple,
18:37à l'Italie,
18:38tout de suite,
18:39les gens disent,
18:39«Oh,
18:41nous ne
18:41pas
18:42démolir,
18:42mais
18:43ça ne
18:44veut pas
18:44que nous
18:45avons
18:46affordable
18:47housing
18:47ou
18:48pour
18:48commun
18:49ou
18:49que nous
18:51avons
18:52un moyen de
18:52travailler avec
18:53existing buildings that they come to people
18:55and not to actually gentrification
18:57and investors. If I go to
18:59Denmark, it's even more striking
19:01because they say, well, we don't
19:03demolish so much, we renovate.
19:05But when we renovate,
19:07then actually the rent
19:08is increased and people are
19:11priced out of their neighborhoods and what you're
19:13asking for in this initiative
19:14will actually be to the detriment
19:16of all of the people living here because they will be
19:19priced out because renovation is
19:21only used as a tool to make more
19:23money. So in the end
19:25it was very
19:26interesting because you arrive
19:29after months
19:31of actually campaigning for something
19:33we believe in, for the planet, obviously
19:35and we understand
19:36if we're not careful, it's for
19:39the planet but it's not for the people.
19:40So the question is, no demolition
19:43no problem? It's not.
19:45So that's why I want to speak about
19:47rights of housing today and I'm going to show you
19:49a film
19:50which is about
19:52the campaign that you all have
19:54the postcards on your labs for
19:56and that were also started
19:57last Monday, right?
19:59Housing Not Forever
20:00and it tries
20:02to actually tell what is
20:04the problem of the housing crisis in Europe.
20:15What do you see when you look out the window?
20:20I see houses, old and new
20:24I see cranes and empty space
20:27I see buildings where the light is never on
20:30and neighbourhoods where no one belongs
20:34so is it just me?
20:36Why can't I live there?
20:41I've moved four times in four years
20:44sublets, small rooms, shared space
20:47and I'm not complaining
20:49because everyone I know lives like this
20:51more or less
20:53some of my friends still live with their parents
20:57I loved every place
20:59no matter what
21:00some were cold in winter
21:02others hot in summer
21:04but when they got fixed
21:06rent went up
21:07and I couldn't afford to stay
21:10sometimes I catch myself thinking
21:12that it must be me
21:14that I'm doing something wrong
21:16because I can't afford a place
21:18and don't seem to belong
21:20so I watch the people
21:21who build this city
21:23and keep it running
21:24arrive every morning
21:26and leave again every night
21:28back to the places
21:30they can still afford
21:31to call home
21:33watching them makes me feel less alone
21:37and sometimes I get angry
21:39when 40 people show up for one flat
21:42when I realise I earn too much to get help
21:46and too little to afford anything myself
21:49I stand there and stare
21:51angry at all of them
21:53until I realise that they aren't the problem
21:57that they're exactly where I am
22:01like this whole thing must be a misunderstanding
22:05my mum would say
22:06be grateful for what you have
22:09and she's right
22:11there are people with nowhere to sleep
22:14people who are living on the streets
22:17what I feel isn't anger
22:19what I feel is fear
22:22of having no home
22:24or even if I do
22:26of being one bill
22:28one month away
22:29from losing it
22:32but it's not just money
22:34it's the pressure
22:36and no matter how loud the music plays
22:40the feeling does not stop
22:46what do you see when you look out the window
22:50I see what we have built
22:52it's not a law of nature
22:54it's a man-made system
22:56a system with rising costs
22:59and rising temperatures
23:02a system that makes housing too expensive
23:05that leaves buildings sitting empty
23:08that lets homes we already have
23:11fall apart
23:14and then I realise
23:15anything we have built
23:18we can choose to transform
23:21together
23:23for the people
23:24and the planet
23:26right to housing
23:28now
23:29and forever
23:35welcome and thank you for joining us
23:37we are coming together
23:38to prepare a European citizens initiative
23:41on the right to housing
23:42my name is Latia
23:44I'm from Italy
23:45I'm from Barcelona
23:46Brussels in Belgium
23:48Warsaw, Poland
23:49thank you again for this space
23:51for me to share a little bit
23:52of the reality here in Portugal
23:53children rentals have
23:55drive
23:55prices up
23:57the climate crisis
23:58and the housing crisis
24:00share the same root cause
24:02building new houses
24:03has a new political agenda
24:04rather than thinking of it
24:06more from the societal perspective
24:07housing is
24:08the place
24:10quite literally
24:11where life happens
24:12housing is not something
24:13that is only
24:14the problem of
24:15an individual
24:16is a problem
24:18that has to be addressed
24:19as a society
24:20and I do think
24:21we need to
24:22take the system
24:24back
24:24and I think that's what
24:26this initiative
24:26is all about
24:27bringing more and more brains
24:29together
24:29more ideas together
24:30more expertise together
24:31we have a political strategy
24:33a campaign team
24:34across the continent
24:35and people ready
24:37to act
24:38in our cities
24:39across Europe
24:40we are the only ones
24:42who will take
24:42the system back
24:43governments
24:44will not hold themselves
24:46accountable to human rights
24:48governments will not hold
24:50financial firms
24:51and corporations
24:52accountable to human rights
24:54financial firms
24:55and corporations
24:56will not hold themselves
24:57accountable to human rights
24:59we know this
25:00so it is up to us
25:02to hold governments
25:05accountable
25:06a European citizens initiative
25:08is one of the most
25:08powerful democratic tools
25:10we have
25:11because it allows
25:12citizens across borders
25:13to force this issue
25:15onto the European agenda
25:40so what are we actually demanding?
25:44the thing is
25:45that Europe
25:46is obviously
25:48in a housing crisis
25:48it's one
25:50it's the most important
25:51topic actually
25:52for the majority
25:53of European citizens
25:54as has been
25:55seen in the last
25:56European elections
25:57and the thing is
25:59that everything
25:59that is being done
26:01on a European level
26:02at the moment
26:02aims at new construction
26:04so within the system
26:05that we've just discussed
26:07doesn't work
26:08the way that it should
26:09work for us
26:09and the one thing
26:11that we see
26:12is that there is
26:13a blind spot
26:13we have buildings
26:15that we demolish
26:16every day
26:17and we have buildings
26:18that are expensive
26:19and obviously
26:20we also have
26:21vacant potential
26:23across Europe
26:25we have
26:2647 million
26:28empty homes
26:29and that is not only
26:31counting homes
26:33but also
26:34on top of that
26:3523 million
26:37empty office
26:38square meters
26:39so there is potential
26:41that is right now
26:43actually
26:43the quickest
26:44and fastest way
26:45of addressing
26:46the housing crisis
26:47but the way
26:48that the system works
26:49it's incredibly
26:50untapped
26:51and at the same time
26:53we obviously
26:55have this potential
26:56and right in front of it
26:57over 1.2 million
26:59people on the street
27:00in Europe
27:01so what we have to
27:02really honestly say
27:03is that actually
27:05Europe has 40 times
27:06more empty homes
27:07not counting offices
27:09than people
27:10that are in need of one
27:12and the good news is
27:15that these buildings
27:16exist
27:17what we have to do
27:19is to activate them
27:20and in a recent study
27:22by the Buildings Performance
27:24Institute Europe
27:25Europe would be able
27:27to create
27:28over 100 million homes
27:30only in existing buildings
27:32that would be able
27:34to house
27:34almost 250 million people
27:38so this potential
27:39that is there
27:41is what we call
27:42the homes of tomorrow
27:43that are actually
27:45available today
27:46at the prices of yesterday
27:47why are we saying
27:49at the prices of yesterday
27:50as we said before
27:52the energy is there
27:53the material is there
27:55it has been extracted
27:56and also at the time
27:58where energy material
27:59was less expensive
28:01so the most efficient thing
28:03would be to bring
28:04that potential
28:05back to people
28:07and the other dimension
28:09of it is obviously
28:10that the goal
28:11is to deliver results
28:13tomorrow
28:13not only in 10 years
28:14for the initiative
28:16rights of housing
28:17we are working
28:18a lot
28:18with student unions
28:20with young people
28:22who are now locked
28:22into their parents' places
28:24we cannot afford
28:25to build our way
28:27out of this crisis
28:28by building new
28:29because it would actually
28:29just
28:30I mean it would last
28:32too long
28:32we would have generations
28:33that are not able
28:34to actually start a family
28:35or to start their life
28:36so what we are searching
28:38for is
28:39the quickest result
28:40possible
28:41and that's why
28:43we are saying
28:43that the existing buildings
28:44are our fastest answer
28:45to the housing crisis
28:46right now
28:47and as of
28:49last Monday
28:50rights of housing
28:51now and forever
28:52has started
28:52and
28:53we demand it
28:55forever
28:56meaning that
28:57our homes
28:58are right now
28:59empty
28:59broken
29:00and expensive
29:01and we have to fix it
29:02on a systemic level
29:03and 1.2 million signatures
29:06can change that
29:07in EU law
29:08to actually create
29:09the incentives
29:10that make it
29:11the easy choice
29:12to use existing buildings
29:13and not leave them empty
29:14the easy choice
29:15to transform something
29:17into housing
29:17or to renovate housing
29:19that is not in the state
29:20that it should be
29:21for people at the moment
29:22and that is what
29:23we are campaigning for
29:24and I will close
29:25with the last film
29:26and then I'm very happy
29:27for questions
29:30the clock is running
29:32the crisis is now
29:33here's how to help
29:35first
29:36sign
29:37go to
29:39righttohousing.eu
29:40and click
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30:04you're one in a million
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30:30there are so many ways
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31:12for the right to housing
31:14now and forever
31:22and I will leave that
31:24standing here
31:25thank you very much
31:26and I'm happy to answer
31:28any questions
31:45yes please
31:48my question would be
31:51the impact
31:55maybe on
31:57finance
31:58because
31:58you were saying
32:00that
32:0160%
32:03of global capital
32:03is in the United States
32:05in the land
32:05and
32:06I
32:08always
32:09support
32:10initiatives
32:10that are
32:11more social
32:12and more
32:13better than
32:14other people
32:15but I feel
32:16like
32:16they are always
32:17limited in their reach
32:19by the rules
32:21of our economy
32:22of our finance
32:23and
32:27I'm afraid
32:28that
32:29because
32:29it will have
32:30such an impact
32:31for innovation
32:32versus building news
32:33on how
32:34investment
32:35in real estate
32:36will work
32:37there will be
32:38opposition
32:39because of that
32:40I was wondering
32:41how you
32:42were
32:42tackling that
32:43for people
32:44working around
32:45that
32:47thanks a lot
32:48maybe I
32:49repeat it
32:50very quickly
32:51so she asked
32:52about the impact
32:53of
32:54finance
32:55what we're
32:56demanding
32:57in the initiative
32:58that we're doing
32:58what is the actual
32:59impact on finance
33:00or what are we able
33:01to do
33:02because initiatives
33:03are
33:03I'm quoting you
33:04now
33:05many times
33:05curtailed
33:06by the rules
33:07of our market
33:08and
33:09if I can paraphrase
33:10it like that
33:11but basically
33:13if
33:14I answer now
33:15from Right Housing
33:16Now and Forever
33:17so
33:17the initiative
33:18that is running
33:19at the moment
33:19it's an initiative
33:21that is changing
33:21European law
33:22so we have to look
33:24at what can we change
33:25in European law
33:26to regulate markets
33:28right
33:28because finance
33:29is not a
33:30I mean this is not
33:31a natural environment
33:32finance is something
33:33that is regulated
33:34by our governments
33:35and is regulated
33:36on the level
33:37of the European Union
33:38and the first thing
33:39is that obviously
33:40if it comes to
33:41renovation
33:41and transformation
33:42the first thing
33:43to do
33:43is to
33:44first of all
33:45make it a business case
33:47by bringing down
33:48the cost of renovation
33:50so this was
33:51the three points
33:51that I mentioned
33:52before
33:52tax reduction
33:53actually accounting
33:55for the value
33:55and then making
33:56a fair assessment
33:58so in the end
33:59what we're doing
33:59is create incentives
34:01for investors
34:02to be interested
34:03in actually working
34:05with existing buildings
34:06and the second thing
34:07is how do we make
34:08now sure
34:09that what is being
34:10done with those
34:11buildings
34:12works for people
34:13and not only
34:14as again
34:15an asset
34:16like a speculative
34:17asset
34:18how many
34:19I mean
34:19almost all
34:20of the real estate
34:21is invested
34:22in works
34:23and that is something
34:24that we're treating
34:25now in
34:25right to housing
34:27now and forever
34:27by saying
34:28every time
34:30that a European
34:31budget
34:33European money
34:34is used
34:35it has to be
34:37that
34:37that money
34:39never goes back
34:40into the pocket
34:41of a speculator
34:42but that it makes
34:43possible that
34:44the housing
34:44that is created
34:45stays affordable
34:46forever
34:46if I can make
34:47a very
34:48I mean
34:49a local example
34:50in Germany
34:52and Munich
34:52real estate developers
34:54get public funding
34:57that allows them
34:59to build
35:00more housing
35:01basically
35:02under the condition
35:03that a part
35:04of what they create
35:05is affordable housing
35:06but after 10 years
35:08that developer
35:10is allowed
35:11to take that
35:12out of the segment
35:13again
35:13and then just
35:14rent it
35:14for the highest
35:15price possible
35:16and what we're
35:17asking for
35:18is of course
35:19that that is not
35:20possible anymore
35:21and the main thing
35:22why investors
35:23will still be
35:24interested
35:24in actually
35:26investing in housing
35:27or to help
35:27public money
35:29doing this
35:29is because
35:30there's different
35:30types of investors
35:32it's my personal
35:33opinion
35:34that hedge funds
35:35that actually
35:36promise 20% profit
35:38which is way more
35:39than in any other
35:40market in the world
35:41are allowed
35:43to invest in housing
35:44because actually
35:46if you look at it
35:46affordable housing
35:47is something
35:48that can only be done
35:49by a very marginal
35:50profit
35:51but there are
35:52actors that are
35:53interested in that
35:53like insurances
35:54and any
35:56any kind of actor
35:57that can work
35:58with a patient
35:59capital
35:59that is interested
36:00in something
36:01that is secure
36:01that brings
36:02a profit
36:03over many years
36:04and not something
36:05for one year
36:06or ten years
36:07and then I
36:07sell it again
36:08and that's fine
36:09and that actually
36:10comes back
36:10to the main thing
36:12that this initiative
36:12says
36:14housing
36:14is a human
36:15right
36:16it's not
36:17a speculative asset
36:18and our markets
36:19should work
36:20in a way
36:21that we make sure
36:22that that's a reality
36:24and not just a claim
36:27and the best thing
36:28is that the European Union
36:30is able to do that
36:31but we have to fight for it
36:50thank you very much
36:52to go further in this direction
36:53do you talk about
36:56social security
36:57for housing
36:58social criteria
37:00no social security
37:02you know like
37:02social security
37:03like for healthcare
37:05but for housing
37:08and I think that's a very nice way
37:11to put it
37:12and actually it's part
37:13of the legal proposal
37:14I mean behind this initiative
37:15is a very long legal proposal
37:18written in Times New Roman
37:19number 10
37:21so it's very long
37:23but the main thing
37:25that is actually in there
37:26is also
37:27I mean that's why
37:28it's called
37:28right housing now
37:29so we act as quickly
37:30as possible
37:31and forever
37:32that we make sure
37:33that we create
37:33this social security
37:35and it's in two ways
37:37so basically
37:37when we renovate
37:38that we make sure
37:40that every renovation
37:41that is financed
37:42with European money
37:43which is actually
37:44quite a substantial amount
37:46in some countries
37:46that we make sure
37:48whenever there's a building
37:49renovated with European money
37:51that the people
37:52that live in this building already
37:53don't lose their homes
37:55because of it
37:56so that we're able
37:57to build in this safeguard
37:58either there's a temporary
38:00other solution
38:00or it's possible
38:02for the person to move back
38:03and of course
38:04we know that
38:04in many typologies
38:06this is actually possible
38:07if we're speaking
38:08about large scale
38:09transformation and so on
38:10so this is the one thing
38:12that I would classify
38:13as social security
38:14when it comes to housing
38:15and the second thing
38:17is that now
38:18we are in this moment
38:19that the European Union
38:20is fighting the housing crisis
38:22and we're speaking
38:22about the next budget
38:24I don't know if you know
38:25every seven years
38:26the European Union
38:27speaks about
38:28and discusses
38:29with each other
38:29how much money
38:30can they bring together
38:31and how is it
38:33devised
38:34between the different sectors
38:35and what we are fighting for
38:37is that there is actually
38:38a housing fund
38:39so that there is money
38:40that is meant
38:41to be used for housing
38:43and that this money
38:45has rules
38:46and that the rule is
38:48if we put it on the market
38:49to be affordable
38:50it stays affordable
38:52forever
38:53because the main thing
38:54is
38:54what we are also
38:55not speaking about
38:56is that we are losing
38:57affordable housing
38:58quicker than we can build it
39:01really because of the
39:02mechanisms that
39:02exist in Munich
39:04but also in many other places
39:06in Europe
39:07and actually globally as well
39:08so yeah
39:09it is a social security
39:10for housing
39:26so more about job market impact
39:29in terms of job market
39:32about reconstruction
39:33or I mean just
39:35the value of
39:36how you can quantify
39:39this job market
39:40in 10 years
39:42if we reuse
39:43if we conserve
39:44if we maintain
39:46and downcify
39:48any scenario
39:49which you are
39:50sure to hear
39:51about job market
39:53please
39:56yes
39:56job market
39:57I mean the main
39:58the main thing
39:59maybe to say there
40:00is that
40:00in the initiatives
40:02I mean also
40:03very much
40:04of course
40:05when it's about renovation
40:06part of the movement
40:08is actually
40:08the Architects Council
40:10of Europe
40:10I don't know
40:11if you know
40:12it exists
40:13I also made it
40:14a few years ago
40:15but this is our
40:16the lobby of all architects
40:17on a European level
40:19and it's basically
40:20representing all of our interests
40:22and the main reason
40:24for them
40:24to support
40:26what we're doing
40:27in this campaign
40:28is the fact
40:30that if we speak
40:31of renovation
40:31and transformation market
40:32it's a lot more
40:35local
40:35it's a lot more
40:37actually for
40:38the majority
40:38of existing
40:39architectural offices
40:41in Europe
40:41because 92%
40:44are actually
40:45single people
40:46up to 5 employees
40:48so this is 95%
40:49of architectural offices
40:51in Europe
40:51and these are the ones
40:52that would do renovation
40:54these are not the ones
40:55that make the
40:55large scale demolition
40:56and rebuilding projects
40:58these are big firms
40:59big of course
41:00material producers
41:01and so on
41:01so in that sense
41:03it's about making
41:04that labour
41:05more localised
41:06and making that
41:06a business model
41:07again
41:07so for the
41:08Architects Council
41:09of Europe
41:09it's really saying
41:10ok it's a market
41:11that would work
41:12for the majority
41:13of our offices
41:14and what we're trying
41:15to push on a policy level
41:17would lead
41:18to the fact
41:19that it should triple
41:19basically
41:21thank you
41:26thank you very much
41:30for this presentation
41:31and being so clear
41:32for such a complex topic
41:35I have one question
41:37you mentioned
41:38that one of the issues
41:40is the vacant housing
41:42but one of the reasons
41:44most of the housing
41:46these housing
41:47are vacant
41:48is because
41:49they are far
41:50from the economy
41:51so if we want
41:53to reduce them
41:54maybe we will need
41:56another political issue
41:59to bring
42:00to change the economy
42:01also
42:02and so all the
42:03small cities
42:04or all the
42:05shrinking cities
42:07will become more
42:09developing
42:10again
42:13yes thanks a lot
42:14this is actually
42:15something that
42:18does Le Havre
42:20have a city architect
42:21maybe I ask that first
42:22you do
42:24you're not quite sure
42:25city architect
42:27so somebody
42:28who concerns them
42:29yeah okay
42:30so it also exists
42:31in Belgium
42:32but it also exists
42:33in Sweden
42:33and actually
42:35the city architect
42:37of Malmö
42:37speaks a lot
42:39on behalf
42:39of rights housing
42:41now and forever
42:41because he doesn't
42:42only work
42:43on Malmö
42:44which is a
42:45growing city
42:45but also on
42:46smaller cities
42:47as you said
42:47or villages
42:48that are actually
42:49dying out
42:49in the proximity
42:50of bigger cities
42:51because people
42:51are of course
42:52moving where
42:53the jobs are
42:54right
42:54and we are
42:56absolutely
42:58fighting for
42:59the buildings
42:59that exist
43:00but the reality
43:01is as you say
43:02that it's not
43:02only that
43:03but it has to
43:03go with
43:04political programs
43:05that make sure
43:05that the
43:07opportunities
43:08go where
43:09the people
43:10in the buildings
43:10are
43:10and not actually
43:11the buildings
43:12and the people
43:12to the opportunities
43:13so it's
43:14completely clear
43:15that is a policy
43:17that has to
43:17go together
43:18the main thing
43:19when I speak
43:20for example
43:20to the European
43:21institutions
43:22that I say
43:22for convincing
43:24them that this
43:25is something
43:25they should also
43:26invest into
43:27is saying
43:28well
43:28you know
43:29the alternative
43:30if you build
43:32new
43:32is that you
43:33don't only
43:34invest in
43:35building a house
43:36right
43:36you invest
43:37in building
43:38a street
43:38you invest
43:39in building
43:39an infrastructure
43:40you invest
43:40in building
43:41the school
43:41the shop
43:41everything
43:42that is closed
43:43so people
43:43can actually
43:44be there
43:44so if we
43:45would understand
43:46the potential
43:47of the value
43:47of infrastructures
43:49that exist
43:50that are not
43:50attractive
43:51to people
43:52at the moment
43:52there's a lot
43:54a lot
43:54a lot of money
43:55that you could
43:56invest otherwise
43:57than to recreate
43:59it at another
44:00point
44:00so I think
44:01it's an
44:01absolutely
44:02important point
44:03that goes
44:04hand in hand
44:04with this
44:09okay
44:11then I would
44:12say it's already
44:12late
44:13ah I have one
44:14last
44:15can you come
44:16to me
44:27we are
44:28actually
44:29we are architects
44:30and two of us
44:32are working
44:33for the half
44:34city
44:34and we are
44:35working for this
44:36and we are
44:37working for
44:38renovation
44:39conservation
44:40of our city
44:42and it's actually
44:44yes
44:44it's politic
44:46but I think
44:47we are
44:47not enough
44:49and it's a matter
44:52and it's a matter
44:53of we need
44:54to most of the
44:56times we have
44:56to convince people
44:58that it's important
44:59to preserve
45:01our patrimony
45:04or building history
45:07too
45:09because a lot
45:10of people
45:11I think
45:11we are
45:12maybe we are
45:13most most of us
45:15today are architects
45:17or maybe sensitive
45:20to architecture
45:21and it's our point
45:24of view
45:25that we are
45:26as architects
45:28every day
45:30we are
45:33confronted
45:35to people
45:37who don't understand
45:39this point of view
45:40and who only want
45:42to live
45:43in a new
45:45building
45:47and
45:50who don't care
45:51about history
45:52and it's not
45:53I say
45:55like
45:55it's not a judgment
45:58of me
45:58it's only a fact
46:05I think
46:06it's a very
46:07interesting point
46:08because of course
46:08it's the first thing
46:09that you get
46:09from somebody
46:10who's not an architect
46:11you like this
46:12concrete building
46:13because you're
46:14an architect
46:14I think it's
46:15very ugly
46:16I would like
46:17it would be
46:18demolished
46:18and replaced
46:18and I think
46:19there are two
46:20things in there
46:20I mean obviously
46:21as a society
46:22we have
46:22I would call it
46:24a misunderstanding
46:24that the new
46:25is always better
46:26than the old
46:26right
46:28but this is also
46:29something that
46:29we created
46:30actually in the
46:31last few decades
46:33before it was
46:34the norm to work
46:35with what existed
46:35and old was
46:36what lasted
46:37and what had
46:38good quality
46:39so it's actually
46:40a learned
46:41cultural understanding
46:42that new
46:43is better
46:44than the old
46:44and the second
46:45thing is that
46:46obviously
46:46the cultural value
46:48that is in existing
46:49buildings
46:49is one value
46:51that you can
46:52explain to people
46:53or that you can
46:53feel yourself
46:54or you can
46:55actually communicate
46:56which I think
46:56that this festival
46:57also does
46:59but it's only
47:00one value
47:01and I think
47:01it's very important
47:03to make clear
47:04that the other
47:05values are
47:06social
47:07ecological
47:08and economic
47:09and I'm very
47:11sure that
47:12if you do
47:12explain at least
47:13the economic
47:14one
47:15people can
47:15understand
47:16so this is
47:17really
47:18really the point
47:19at the end
47:19because if it's
47:20cheaper
47:21and it's
47:22faster
47:22I don't have
47:24to explain
47:24it to anybody
47:25anymore
47:25and for that
47:26to become
47:27like this
47:28we have to
47:28acknowledge
47:29that the
47:30ecological
47:30factor
47:31is one
47:32that we
47:33societally
47:34should put
47:34first
47:38we also have
47:39a lack
47:40of knowledge
47:40of people
47:42who know
47:44how to
47:46rebuild
47:47and conserve
47:50we have
47:51really a lack
47:52of savoir faire
47:55this is what
47:56we are
47:57experiencing
47:57also
47:58and
47:59because
48:00we have
48:02people
48:03who want
48:03to
48:08conserve
48:09and they
48:10don't
48:11find
48:12people
48:13to do
48:14it
48:16they don't
48:17find
48:18workers
48:19with
48:20knowledge
48:21to do
48:22it
48:22or
48:24it's
48:24really
48:24pricey
48:28you know
48:29but I think
48:29this would
48:29be the
48:30main thing
48:30I mean
48:30I'm not
48:31I'm not
48:32completely
48:34knowledgeable
48:34of how
48:34you work
48:35but the
48:35main thing
48:36that I would
48:36say
48:37is obviously
48:38if something
48:38is a
48:40pricey
48:40service
48:43the amount
48:43of people
48:44they will
48:44offer it
48:45to you
48:45will be
48:45low
48:46so
48:46this
48:46kind
48:47of
48:47systemic
48:47thing
48:48that
48:49you're
48:49facing
48:50at the
48:50moment
48:50this
48:50barrier
48:51as
48:51soon
48:52as
48:52we
48:52change
48:52the
48:53system
48:53that
48:53it
48:54becomes
48:54the
48:55norm
48:55and
48:55there's
48:55actually
48:56incentive
48:56for
48:57people
48:57to
48:58change
48:58their
48:59skills
48:59because
48:59in
48:59the
48:59end
49:00it's
49:00about
49:00and
49:01Europe
49:01loves
49:01to
49:02talk
49:02about
49:02that
49:02skills
49:03of
49:03workers
49:03if we
49:04speak
49:04about
49:04that
49:05in
49:05the
49:05end
49:05and
49:05it
49:06will
49:06be
49:07something
49:07that's
49:07kicked
49:07off
49:08by
49:08an
49:08economic
49:08incentive
49:09then
49:09the
49:10hope
49:10obviously
49:11is
49:11that
49:11that
49:11situation
49:12will
49:12change
49:12but
49:13as
49:13of
49:13now
49:13it's
49:13completely
49:14understandable
49:15that
49:15it's
49:15a
49:16problem
49:16that
49:16makes
49:16it
49:17even
49:17more
49:25hello
49:26I
49:27understand
49:27English
49:28but
49:28I'm
49:28a
49:29little
49:29bit
49:29shy
49:29to
49:30speak
49:30and
49:32my
49:33friend
49:35translate
49:36my
49:36word
49:39je
49:40travaille
49:41aussi
49:42au Havre
49:42mais
49:43dans
49:43les
49:43quartiers
49:44anciens
49:45du
49:45Havre
49:45I'm
49:47working
49:47in
49:48Havre
49:49too
49:49but
49:49in
49:49old
49:51I
49:51understand
49:51French
49:52I'm
49:52also
49:52shy
49:53to
49:53speak
49:54I'm
49:55the
49:55executive
49:55you
49:56another
49:56way
49:56around
49:56so
49:57if
49:57you
49:57comprenez
49:58pas
49:59parce
50:00qu'on
50:00parle
50:00beaucoup
50:00du
50:01Havre
50:01reconstruit
50:03beaucoup
50:04de quartiers
50:05de faubourg
50:06épargné
50:07il y a
50:08encore
50:08des
50:08immeubles
50:09du
50:09Moyen-age
50:10et
50:10beaucoup
50:10d'immeubles
50:11des
50:12années 1900
50:13moi
50:13je
50:14travaille
50:14sur
50:14ces
50:14secteurs
50:17on
50:18est
50:18une
50:18équipe
50:18en
50:19fait
50:19en
50:19régie
50:20donc
50:21à
50:22l'intérieur
50:22de l'agglomération
50:23du Havre
50:24qui travaille
50:25sur la
50:25rénovation
50:26de ces
50:26quartiers
50:28aujourd'hui
50:28c'est possible
50:29parce que
50:30il y a
50:31beaucoup d'aide
50:32publique
50:32en fait
50:34sur certains
50:35secteurs
50:35donc pour
50:36réussir
50:37à convaincre
50:39les propriétaires
50:40il y a
50:41beaucoup d'argent
50:41public
50:42mis sur la
50:43table
50:43parce qu'on
50:44se rend compte
50:45que dans la
50:46réhabilitation
50:46ça peut coûter
50:47très cher
50:48et notamment
50:48au niveau
50:49structurel
50:49sur les
50:50immeubles
50:51anciens
50:51on travaille
50:53aussi
50:53sur
50:54d'autres
50:55villes
50:55à côté
50:56du Havre
50:56donc
50:57il y a
50:5810 secteurs
50:59repérés
50:59où il y a
51:00des aides
51:02bonifiées
51:02pour conserver
51:04les centres
51:05anciens
51:06je pense
51:07qu'on est
51:08une des rares
51:09villes de France
51:09à faire
51:10ce travail
51:11en régie
51:12on est un peu
51:14je trouve
51:14moi
51:14la caution
51:15de la ville
51:18on arrive
51:19quand même
51:19à entretenir
51:19nos vieux
51:20bâtiments
51:23ma question
51:24c'est
51:25est-ce qu'il
51:26faudrait
51:26généraliser
51:27ça
51:27dans
51:27toutes
51:27les villes
51:29est-ce qu'il
51:29y a
51:29ce genre
51:30d'aide
51:30aussi
51:31dans
51:31les autres
51:31pays
51:32européens
51:34voilà
51:34je sais
51:35quoi
51:35si
51:37je peux
51:38répéter
51:38pour que vous
51:39vous fassiez
51:39que je l'ai
51:40comprécie
51:41ce
51:41quand
51:41vous
51:41dites
51:42que
51:43les gens
51:43parlent
51:44beaucoup
51:44sur
51:44cette
51:45partie
51:45de la
51:45ville
51:45qui
51:45est
51:45reconstrucée
51:46mais il y a
51:4719th
51:47century
51:48part
51:48et
51:48ce que vous
51:49faites
51:49dans votre travail
51:50si je peux
51:50summarize
51:51c'est
51:51que vous
51:52vous faites
51:52beaucoup
51:53de public
51:54money
51:54à la table
51:55pour
51:55assurer
51:55qu'il y a
51:57une
51:57économique
51:57et une
51:58visibilité
51:59pour
51:59prendre
51:59ces
52:00buildings
52:00et
52:01pour
52:01que
52:01c'est
52:02ce qu'il
52:02se passe
52:03et que
52:04vous
52:04ces
52:05buildings
52:05et
52:06vous
52:06vous
52:06demandez
52:06est
52:07ce qui
52:07c'est
52:08le reste
52:08de
52:08l'histoire
52:09mais
52:09c'est
52:09ce qui
52:09doit
52:09être
52:12soutenir
52:12throughout
52:13ou
52:13adopté
52:14c'est
52:14votre question
52:15c'est
52:15ce qui
52:15doit
52:16être
52:16fait
52:16avec
52:16c'est
52:17ce qui
52:17c'est
52:17mon
52:18comment
52:18c'est
52:20si je
52:21regarde
52:21de
52:21l'ensemble
52:22du
52:22campagne
52:23c'est
52:24qu'on
52:25parle
52:25toujours
52:26de
52:26renouvelation
52:27et
52:28de
52:29heritage
52:30c'est
52:31quelquefois
52:32différent
52:33chose
52:34ou
52:34aussi
52:35les
52:35buildings
52:36sont
52:36valieux
52:38enough
52:38pour
52:39tenir
52:41care
52:42de
52:42que
52:42nous
52:43on
52:43utiliser
52:44notre
52:44memory
52:45c'est
52:46ce qui
52:47c'est
52:49un
52:49public
52:50awareness
52:51campaign, right? It's something
52:53also that wants to shift that a bit
52:55to say, okay, there's not
52:57one siècle
52:58that is worth to take care of
53:01but it's something that we should adopt
53:02as a general
53:05thing towards our built environment
53:07that it's always, we should
53:08keep it and we should take care
53:10and then of course, different buildings
53:12and if they're heritage protected or not
53:14afford different things
53:16to actually transform it or to keep it the way that it is
53:19for the society and so on. So I think it's
53:20more from the perspective of saying
53:22it's not, is it valuable or not
53:25because of the cultural meaning
53:26but actually changing the perception
53:29that it is because
53:30it exists, it's valuable
53:33because there's all of this
53:35embedded value that we don't have
53:37a price tag for, one of which
53:39is cultural value, but all of the
53:41others as well.
53:42So we're saying on a European level
53:45there should be more money, but it should be
53:47more widely distributed
53:48than the 19th century.
53:50yes
53:50thank you
53:52thank you
53:54okay
53:55any last
53:58no last
53:59okay
53:59thank you very much for listening
54:01and I will say it again
54:03this is about awareness
54:05but it's about signatures
54:07so please
54:08I know most of you have a European passport
54:11sometimes I speak in Switzerland
54:12that's way more depressing
54:13because they don't
54:14but you do
54:15there's a QR code in every postcard
54:18there's a QR code behind me
54:19please scan it
54:20please sign
54:21and also tell your grandmother
54:23or your niece
54:24or whoever to sign
54:25because we need a lot of people
54:28thank you and have a nice evening
54:29thank you
54:30thank you
54:31thank you
54:31thank you
54:31thank you
54:32thank you
54:33thank you
54:35thank you