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00:00Hey now.
00:00Right?
00:01There is the stadium right there on TV.
00:04U.S. Bank Stadium.
00:06I've never been to a U.S. bank.
00:08Well, I've been to American banks.
00:11And even Canadian banks.
00:12I used to have an account at a Canadian bank.
00:14Did you know that?
00:15I do, I remember that.
00:16Do you really?
00:17Yes.
00:18How?
00:18How could you possibly remember that?
00:19I remember you talking about going over there to get money out.
00:22Yes.
00:23I mean, you talk about everything.
00:26That's how I know.
00:28I remember that.
00:29This was in 2004.
00:31I won five grand in a golf contest.
00:35Not playing golf.
00:37Like, predicting golf.
00:39And it was based in Canada.
00:42So I, you know, took the $5,000 in Canadian money and put it into a Canadian bank account.
00:50Like, I went to a Canadian bank.
00:51It was like, there was a red, well, I forget which one it was, but it was red.
00:57And that money's gone.
00:59Well, shit, it's a long time ago now.
01:01Yeah, that always stood out to me because for a very long time, my in-laws, who owned
01:05this house in Canada that we all shared for many, many years, they've sold it now.
01:09It's many years ago now that they sold it.
01:11But for a long time, they had a bank account in Canada to pay utilities and taxes and stuff
01:17like that.
01:17Smart.
01:17And so whenever you said it, it always just like tripped a wire for me that, you know,
01:21you had this in common with them.
01:23Scotiabank, maybe it was.
01:25I'm not sure their color scheme.
01:28I should know because of all the curling.
01:29BMO is a big one.
01:31Here we go.
01:33Bills Vikings.
01:34Bills minus three or three and a half.
01:36Make sure to shop around.
01:39Get the right price.
01:41We're talking about DJ Moore for a minute.
01:44But before we get to DJ Moore, we won't have Deion Dawkins today.
01:49There's no plan afoot for him to call us from the field or the locker room.
01:54Does he play?
01:56I really don't know.
01:57I feel like we're not going to know unless we get, I mean, does it happen?
02:02I don't know how much attention, I mean, I'm in here every Monday, but is there, can't
02:06confirm, you know, is there the usual, like, you know, the five in the morning Schefter
02:11Rappaport tweets, like this guy, that guy, this guy, that guy, does that happen on Monday
02:16afternoons before the Monday night game?
02:18I feel like it doesn't.
02:20You want to put an over under on when we find out?
02:21I feel like we're going to be waiting until 90 minutes before kickoff.
02:25Like, we'll be, we'll be here.
02:27No, we won't.
02:27No, we'll be gone.
02:28Six, six, seven o'clock maybe is that right?
02:31Seven, six fifty, whatever.
02:33The game's at what?
02:34Eight fifteen?
02:34Eight fifteen, yeah.
02:35So.
02:36Eastern?
02:37Yes, yes.
02:39So, yeah, I don't think we're, I have a feeling we will not absolutely know.
02:44Interesting.
02:45The best we can hope for is that we get something along the lines of what I'm describing
02:50from someone, doesn't have to be Rappaport or Schefter, that says, like, you know, the
02:54Bills are optimistic, they're going to be a, you know, he's going to work out with
02:58trainers, whatever, but the expectation is that he feels good enough to play or something.
03:04But I haven't seen anything like that.
03:06I don't know if that's coming, so I think we might just be throwing darts until quarter
03:10to seven or so.
03:12Kind of a big deal.
03:13I think so.
03:14I think so.
03:15With him and Anderson both.
03:18I mean, the left side of your line, whether or not, I mean, I can't know whether Austin
03:23Corbett can be an absolute facsimile of what Alec Anderson is giving you.
03:28Maybe he can.
03:28But just from a familiarity, communication piece standpoint, I think, you know, one of
03:35the things you'd like most in a game like this with a team that has been blitzing, you
03:41know, what, 70% of the time or something, like the Vikings are insane with the blitz,
03:46having your guys, you know, be familiar with one another and understand every little, you
03:52know, nuance about what is said and hand signals and whatever, I just would rather not
03:56have, you know, two new guys, Corbett and I assume Grable would, he's the swing tackle
04:02he filled in for Brown.
04:04If Brown's okay, I think it makes more sense to put Grable in Dawkins' spot and put Brown
04:09back where he's most acclimated.
04:11You could switch them, I suppose, if you think Brown is a better fit over there or something,
04:16I don't know.
04:17But either way, I mean, that would change the idea of having two brand new guys, but it
04:24still would be kind of the same concept because Corbett's new and Brown doesn't play over
04:28there, so the whole thing is just in flux.
04:31So, yeah, it's a bad, any week is going to be a bad week to not have two starters on
04:35your
04:35offensive line if it comes to that.
04:37But especially this one?
04:38I feel like this is enhanced by the Vikings' reputation.
04:41Yeah.
04:42Because it feels like I'm going into last year's Houston game.
04:45That's what I'm thinking.
04:46And I want to put this sort of thought off because I know it really doesn't work like
04:52this.
04:53I mean, the Bills have won so often, and they've won a lot.
04:57Primetime games, road games, whatever.
05:00They're a very reliable team.
05:02But I'm having a tough time getting last year's night road games out of my head today.
05:08Like, just Houston and Atlanta.
05:11And that Houston game, I mean, what does it matter if this is an NFC opponent or AFC opponent?
05:16I guess maybe not very much.
05:17But the Houston game where they just got roughed up.
05:22Brown goes out.
05:23I mean, they just had such a tough time with what's similar.
05:27I mean, it's also a dome.
05:29What's similar about it in terms of Houston is you knew and you saw tons of pressure from
05:36them.
05:36And that's kind of what we're all thinking tonight is.
05:39Although, the difference is, I think Houston, that was mostly just those two edge guys beating
05:45the doors off of Dawkins.
05:46And eventually, I think it was Van Roten, probably, who was in for Brown when he was hurt.
05:51I think that's the guy that was here last year for that role.
05:54Who's now on the Vikings?
05:55I think so.
05:56I think that's right.
05:58Revenge.
05:59So, this is even maybe more complicated, communication-wise.
06:03Because it's not just, like, you'd like to have your best guys.
06:08But in Houston, you had Dawkins.
06:13And he just lost too many matchups against Hunter or Anderson.
06:19I don't know if they were flipping sides.
06:20But, I mean, so that, I don't know that, I don't remember how much Houston blitzed in that game.
06:26But going into it, it was not about they're exotic.
06:29It was they just got guys that are going to beat you.
06:32And that's different.
06:34It's the same result is, am I under siege tonight?
06:39And can I manage to, you know, will the dam hold well enough for me to function on offense?
06:46Like, I think you just have to assume they're going to get through and there will be free rushers on
06:54Allen.
06:54What he does with them, you know, can he elude them on his own?
07:00You know, can the running backs or tight ends chip in in the backfield?
07:03Whatever it is, they're going to make plays on you.
07:06If they're going to blitz that often, it stands to reason that you're going to bust sometimes.
07:12So, you just got to try to live through those reps where, you know, someone comes in clean.
07:18Hope they don't get the ball from you.
07:20So, maybe, like I said, maybe Allen can elude them sometimes.
07:24And, you know, you almost have to plan on that.
07:27Like, I just think it's going to happen, that they're going to be in the backfield.
07:32What are your gut instincts?
07:35What are your gut-o-lytics on this game?
07:37It is very, very hard to me.
07:41Even with thinking about last year's night games or just any other night games, it's hard for me not to
07:49trust them because of what you led with here, which was, like, they're good.
07:55They're great, even.
07:56On that side of the ball, especially on offense.
07:59So, it would be somewhat unforeseen if they get sort of shut down.
08:05You know, like, if the Vikings can do to the Bills what they did to the Lions last week, which
08:12was, what was that, 16 points?
08:13Was that 16-13 or something?
08:1619.
08:1619-13.
08:17Whatever.
08:18It was in the teens.
08:19Miami just did that to the Lions.
08:20Yeah, they did.
08:21That's right.
08:22Whatever that was.
08:24But, yes.
08:25Like, that would – I don't expect that.
08:28I feel like the Bills still will get theirs.
08:31And that has me thinking Minnesota probably can't keep up.
08:35And, you know, maybe I dial it down from I need 30 to win to I need 26 or 24
08:43to win.
08:44And that doesn't seem like too heavy a lift.
08:47Your total's around 44 or 43-and-a-half.
08:51So, if you're 3-and-a-half and 43-and-a-half, that's easy math.
08:54I mean, you're looking at 24 points is the implied total.
08:58Yep.
08:58The Bills are never – unless it's a blizzard, maybe – they're never lower than that.
09:04Isn't it that the Bills have averaged 33 and the Vikings have averaged giving up 13?
09:10So, like, you're right – they split the difference on this one.
09:13Right.
09:14Right.
09:15I mean, would you take 24 points?
09:17I feel like I have to say yes to that.
09:21I would not.
09:22With this defense, I would not.
09:24I mean, not to say you're wrong.
09:26I mean, just –
09:27Yep.
09:28I like the Wentz-Jefferson thesis for tonight for Minnesota.
09:36And, you know, they have other – Addison's good, right?
09:40Hawkinson's okay.
09:41Yep.
09:42The running backs, I don't know, but does it matter?
09:44Like, they – it doesn't have to all be around Jefferson, but I want to see this Bills defense,
09:51like, really do it against – I was going to say against a starting quarterback.
09:56Is Carson Wentz a starting quarterback?
09:58I mean, he is tonight.
09:59But what happened last week did nothing for me.
10:03And, really, most games this year, they've gotten kind of lit up.
10:08So, on the road, can they not do that?
10:11Turnovers can distort that.
10:13Turnovers obviously can be a huge swing.
10:15And I feel like Wentz – the thing that has me – like, I would rather be playing Kyler Murray
10:22than Wentz.
10:23So, I have that much respect for him.
10:25It's really more of a lack of respect for Murray, I think, that lands you there.
10:29Known hater.
10:30Like, I would not pick Wentz out of the pile as, like, oh, I'll choose that guy to be my
10:34quarterback.
10:35But I think he is a more dangerous player tonight than I would consider Murray,
10:42even with Murray's athletic upside that Wentz simply doesn't possess.
10:45I'm curious what the Bills – how they handle him.
10:48Because even though he is obviously not a rookie like the guy they handled last week with Baltimore,
10:54he is someone who is going to stand there and get hit.
10:59And so, do you want to take some chances heating him up?
11:03Like, they don't run the ball real well.
11:05So, if they're in – you know, if they're behind the sticks – this is – hey, it's a game
11:12day.
11:13So, you know –
11:13Stop with the sticks.
11:14They're in third and eight.
11:15It was one time.
11:16They're third and eight.
11:17Manageable.
11:18Third and eight.
11:18I'm not going to – I didn't want to give you that.
11:20If they're third and eight or worse, you know, maybe you send people and that's how you handle.
11:26Because I think the one thing you can't do is give him three and a half seconds.
11:32If he has time, I think he's going to find the guy and he's going to deliver the ball, you
11:38know, reasonably competently.
11:41But if you can get to him, then I think that's your ticket.
11:46So, it's a little bit like, you know, you heard and I know I've said this, like part of the
11:51reason I want to put what they did against Baltimore kind of in a separate column is they knew who
11:56they had, you know, facing them.
11:58And just decided we're just going to – launch code time.
12:02We're just going to send people because he's not going to know what to do.
12:06That's not entirely true of Wentz.
12:08I think he'll know what to do.
12:09But if you can rush him, I think that's advantageous.
12:13So, I wonder if they'll be somewhat – I don't want to say as aggressive as last week again because
12:19it's different, but more than they have been most of the year.
12:22Because last week was a real departure for them in blitz rate.
12:27And maybe they feel like that's a good thing to have in the bag against Wentz.
12:33What about the line to gain?
12:35Got anything on that?
12:36The line to gain?
12:37It's early.
12:38Is third and five manageable, but is six?
12:43Where's the line on that?
12:44What's the line to gain on manageableness?
12:47I think beyond six is –
12:50Six is manageable?
12:50No, beyond six.
12:52So, you get seven, eight, nine, and more.
12:55Seven is my manageable break.
12:58Seven is not manageable.
13:00No, it's way too much.
13:01But you're saying six is?
13:02I think so.
13:03I feel like that's how it's talked about.
13:08Every announcer cannot stop saying third and manageable.
13:12How about use the number?
13:14We know what numbers are.
13:16Short is one and two, I feel like.
13:19Third and short, one or two.
13:21Manageable, three through six.
13:24Third and long, seven and beyond.
13:27That's how I would do it.
13:28I don't really have –
13:29I don't have the power to make this unilaterally accessible, but that's how I would do it.
13:33We just keep adding nonsense to football jargon.
13:36Like, we didn't have enough.
13:38Manageable.
13:40What if I'm bad?
13:42Like, if you're – who's the worst team?
13:45If you're Miami, is six manageable?
13:46No, you want, like, two.
13:50Well, the weekend.
13:51So, we had Jacksonville Thursday night getting the win in Baltimore.
13:56Yesterday, the Bengals looked hot.
13:59Yeah, they did.
14:00I felt like a donkey picking Atlanta and watching that game.
14:04I mean, just – Cincinnati did whatever it wanted.
14:08Chase and Higgins, just, like, easy game for the Bengals on offense.
14:12So, what are they?
14:13Six and two at this point?
14:16Denver gets there.
14:18That's not a – is it a good win?
14:20I don't know if it's a good win in Carolina, but it was a close game.
14:23They hung on.
14:24They did enough.
14:25They hung on.
14:25I mean, whatever, they got there.
14:26They did enough.
14:27They were down – what was it, 14-13 in the second half?
14:30Carolina was up, right?
14:31That's right.
14:32Something like that.
14:33Yeah.
14:33It was – it was – third quarter and manageable is what it was for Denver.
14:39It was manageable.
14:40Right.
14:40But they were losing at some point.
14:43And then the Chiefs.
14:45And I got excited, even thinking about Survivor and even our picks,
14:49because I was on the Jets.
14:50I kind of – I liked – I really liked the idea of the Jets in that game,
14:53at least with the points.
14:54And for a –
14:55The Mahomes injury.
14:56For a half, it looked really – like, maybe they can do this.
15:01All they did was kick field goals, but still.
15:03Right, right.
15:04It kind of felt like maybe they were going to actually win.
15:07When Butker missed twice at the end of the half,
15:10that was one of the highlights of the weekend for me.
15:14The boos.
15:14I just – I love to see it.
15:16Like, oh, he gets another try.
15:18Oh, he missed again.
15:19Yeah.
15:20And a cut to Justin Tucker on the sidelines.
15:23And the whole thing.
15:24Like, great.
15:25And Mahomes getting hurt right before that was all, like, a part of it.
15:30And then, yeah, they just – you know, the Jets just didn't score again.
15:34Right?
15:34They did not score again.
15:36They did not score again.
15:37The rest of the day.
15:38The Jets just will refuse to not be the Jets.
15:40But just when you might have felt dispirited by a couple of those outcomes,
15:43here comes the 425 window and the Packers just – holy cow.
15:49That's maybe the most – they've had standalones and people have been crushing
15:55on Love throwing the ball down the field.
15:57I would say for me – I don't know if I have a lot of company in this
16:00with other Bills fans.
16:03That was the first real eyeful of, like, four quarters of Jordan Love.
16:08And they are a blast to watch right now.
16:11Like, he is just – everything is 20 yards or more downfield.
16:15I mean, I'm exaggerating, but it's a lot.
16:18They are just launching.
16:20And it worked.
16:21I mean, they took New England apart.
16:24Yeah.
16:24So that at least sort of salvaged the day, I think, for me.
16:29New England might not be good at all.
16:33You know?
16:34From a Packers standpoint, sure.
16:37It's really sexy.
16:39New England, I don't know.
16:42A.J. Brown is not happening.
16:44At least not yet.
16:45And now Stevenson is hurt.
16:46And now – and Dobbs.
16:48And now Stevenson is hurt.
16:49And Henderson has the thing from last week.
16:51Yeah, right.
16:52By the way – I mean, they really just – their thing – we have two things with New England.
16:58Last year it was, but their schedule.
17:00You know?
17:01Like, how good is this team really?
17:03It didn't ultimately matter.
17:04They beat the Bills once.
17:06They get home.
17:07They're in the Super Bowl.
17:08They get killed.
17:09But the schedule, like, all right, well, is what it is.
17:13So you have that question going into this season, whether they really were, like, deserving of the same –
17:18that kind of credit, that kind of, you know, credibility.
17:23And then what they do is go out and address what the biggest question about the team was with wide
17:31receiver, and they're all gone.
17:33Now they're no different than last year, if not even worse, maybe.
17:36Hollins is back.
17:37He has a touchdown yesterday.
17:39Kyle Williams, I guess, and he was on the team last year.
17:42Douglas was on the team last year, but without the alpha –
17:47They divested themselves of Boutte.
17:49I mean, he was at least there last year for a play here or there.
17:52Why did they have to do that?
17:53Because A.J. Brown took his spot.
17:54I guess.
17:55To an extent.
17:56Right.
17:56So I don't know.
17:57I mean, I loved the Packers going into that game yesterday and was not disappointed.
18:01No.
18:02But, you know, so on one hand – and the Bills have this game tonight – on one hand, the
18:08division looks like it's got to be theirs.
18:12Everybody else lost.
18:13New England might be not even good at all.
18:14Even a stumble tonight is still –
18:16They're still huge favorites.
18:18They are 5-4, New England, and you're 6-2 if you don't get this one tonight.
18:21The worst thing you have going for you is you lost to them.
18:24Right.
18:24Right.
18:25But you played them again.
18:26You'd have a chance to rectify that, or at least offset it.
18:28They might not be good at all, the Patriots, really, like just sort of an average team.
18:33But there's Denver at 7-2.
18:35But the conference is the other side of that, right, is the conference.
18:37And I think two teams look really good.
18:42And we had this conversation last week, and nothing really changed yesterday or this weekend.
18:48Jacksonville and Cincinnati look, like, kind of scary good.
18:52Mm-hmm.
18:53And the Bills can look that, too.
18:55Yep.
18:56But you're going to be racing with them.
18:59Both are 6-2, not to mention Pittsburgh is 6-2.
19:03They had a bye.
19:04Denver is 7-2.
19:06I don't know if that's, like, a good team.
19:08Right.
19:09But they're ahead of you if you lose tonight.
19:10They always win.
19:11I mean, you're not in first place in the conference if you lose tonight.
19:14Like, that's what, you know, that's how it goes.
19:17And there's Kansas City.
19:18There's always Kansas City.
19:19Right.
19:19To, you know, be cognizant of in these kinds of things.
19:22Who you're tied with if you lose tonight.
19:24Right.
19:25Yep.
19:26So, yeah, I mean, the stakes are real.
19:28And the Jaguars did a thing that I think a lot of Bills fans would have loved to see the
19:32Bills do this morning with the trade with Atlanta, the Jesse Bates acquisition.
19:36That's a big price, but that's what you do when, well, when you want the other team to keep the
19:44majority of the salary, you pay up.
19:46And Bean, I think, is even, he talked to John Worrell last week and indicated, or I've seen a quote
19:51attached to Bean saying, like, we're, you know, prepared to pay extra freight, basically, if, you know, teams can retain
19:57money.
19:57Do you feel like, this is something I sort of pushed back against last week, but today I think maybe
20:04I was wrong.
20:04Do you feel like playing on the Monday night is a disadvantage?
20:08I do, I do.
20:09I think, for this reason, you have another game to figure out what your biggest need is.
20:21And if you were to, I don't know, make the Jesse Bates trade and something catastrophic happens to your receiving
20:29core, like, you only have so many opportunities to make a move, right?
20:34And I think there's an argument to be made.
20:36I think you've made it.
20:37Lots of other people have to do something at receiver regardless of DJ Moore as some form of insurance for
20:42DJ Moore.
20:42You're already down Palmer, at least for some short term.
20:46But if you're Brandon Bean, okay, I've got one move.
20:52Financially, that's all we can really afford.
20:54It's not even really about draft capital.
20:56Because, I mean, they could empty the chamber on that if they wanted to.
20:59But money-wise, they can only maybe do so much.
21:03And you make the move for Bates and something happens to Moore.
21:06He's out for the year now.
21:08You made the big move you were going to make.
21:11And maybe, you know, something like that happening would change that.
21:17You would prioritize going shopping for who knows whom.
21:21So you're waiting on this game.
21:22I think you're waiting on this game.
21:23Yeah.
21:24Yeah.
21:24I think you kind of – that doesn't mean you shouldn't have stuff that you're ready to press the button
21:29on.
21:30You know, like, we agree on this, but I've got to wait.
21:35Because I think it's prudent to wait.
21:36So, yeah, the timing isn't great from that standpoint, I would say.
21:41I mean, I don't know that that's right, but it certainly makes sense to me that if your flexibility is
21:48minimal and you don't have –
21:51I mean, I think it would almost feel somewhat at least surprising, if not incredible, if they made two trades
21:56like Jacksonville did today.
21:59But even if that's the limit, you know, you go get a safety and a linebacker, a safety and a
22:03corner, and then something happens that changes that in this game, then you're really stuck.
22:10Yeah.
22:11What an interesting 26 hours this is going to be.
22:15Minus 22 minutes.
22:16I mean, this is really going to be interesting.
22:18You didn't have – you don't have to wait.
22:20You didn't have to wait.
22:23Jacksonville – so their guy is Gladstone.
22:26He's super young, and he's from the Rams.
22:29And you know what the Rams are all about.
22:31Whatever.
22:32Here, take my draft picks.
22:34I don't even want them.
22:35You know the line.
22:36So that's what Jacksonville looks like right now.
22:40And they lost their really good defensive tackle last week, so they go out to New Orleans and get somebody
22:47to replace him.
22:48I mean, we'll see about Deion.
22:51Like, that doesn't sound like any sort of long-term thing.
22:53Maybe he even plays tonight.
22:54Like, he's been such a stalwart for our show and for the Bills, I would say, going back further, farther.
23:04He's been such a stalwart.
23:06And the Bills have been really lucky up front with injuries.
23:11I mean, you watch teams – Green Bay – so Green Bay is torching New England, but they can't run
23:16the ball because, like, they're down all these linemen.
23:18Baltimore's – they're on their fourth center or something.
23:20You know, it can ruin your season.
23:22Yep.
23:23And the Bills have not had that particular challenge.
23:27So if there is a problem, you know, on the left side, then that's something you have to take into
23:34consideration when it comes to the trade deadline.
23:37Maybe.
23:38I mean, I'm not – again, like, that's probably not where we're headed.
23:41No, probably not.
23:42Dawkins might not even miss this game.
23:43But, you know, that's a thing you could do if you lost bodies up front that might be on the
23:51same level as safety or receiver.
23:53But that's another thing that could happen tonight.
23:56Well.
23:56So it's another reason why you didn't play your game yesterday, so you don't – and, you know, it might
24:02seem silly to get hung up on one game out of 17, but it – I mean, seriously, think about
24:07the – how it would look and how it would sound if they made a move and don't have the
24:13flexibility to make another and then something happened tonight.
24:16It would just be a lot of, you should have waited.
24:19You know, we all want the move, but it would be like, we'd all be lining up to, oh, I
24:24didn't want it now.
24:25The thing – we have to get to a break, but the thing about wide receiver, you talk about something
24:29catastrophic happening at wide receiver, what would that be?
24:32I mean, they've never been good there.
24:33I feel like it's more – I feel like it's more.
24:36Like, if something happened to more – more significant than what's already happened to more, I feel like that's really
24:42it.
24:42Everything else, I feel like –
24:43That's a tough move, though.
24:45I love the idea.
24:47That's a tough – like, they really paid up for him.
24:51And if he's down, do they just sort of double down on that and just go do it again?
24:57You could make an argument, but I don't know.
25:00And I don't know who the guy is either.
25:02Brian Thomas never does anything.
25:03I don't know who the guy is, but not to be contradictory, because I've wanted this wide receiver.
25:09We all have this wide receiver fantasy.
25:11I'm not sure Downs is a fit.
25:12Pickens, the price is probably outrageous.
25:15Although his contract's up, so maybe not.
25:18I don't know.
25:18Are you coming around on – I'm just joking, because you corrected – you spanked me the other day for
25:25having forgotten that you said you would be listening to George Pickens, I guess.
25:28Yeah, you are right to say that when he got traded to Dallas, I wanted no part of it.
25:35Sal at four from Minnesota.
25:38No Deion.
25:39Tomorrow.
25:39Hopefully he plays.
25:40Obviously, we all want that.
25:42803-0550 is our number.
25:44We'll look for your calls next.
25:45It is Football Monday.
25:48It's also game day.
25:49I don't know.
25:50That can be a little bit of a rivalry there, but that's what we have.
25:54Mike Schoep and the Bulldog here.
25:55This is WGR.
25:56WGR.
25:57WGR.
25:57There we go.
25:57There we go.
25:57You