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When it comes to generations, misconceptions and generalizations are always around. Gen X is forgotten, Gen Zs are aloof, and no one quite knows how old Millennials are. Whatever you think about the generations, my good sis, we are ready to tackle it! Join our guest Patti Roberts and us as we discuss how each generation handles work, relationships, and even dress codes.

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00:00Hello and welcome to Go Offsys. I'm Kathleen, the Senior Content Director of Entertainment at Refinery29 and forever a part
00:06of the Unbothered fam.
00:08I'm so excited for this episode. We are at the Essence Festival of Culture in New Orleans and the first
00:15ever creator and podcast festival at Essence Fest.
00:18My girls, my co-workers, they're here with me, Sandy, Jeff. Sandy, introduce yourself.
00:24Hey guys, I am back. Did you miss me?
00:27I am Sandy. I am the Branded Execution Manager here at Unbothered. I'm so excited. We're at Essence Festival. We're
00:34doing a live podcast.
00:35We're about to get into some things and I just can't wait.
00:39Yeah, love. Hi guys, I'm Jessica. I am a social media strategist with Unbothered. Very excited to be in NOLA.
00:47Very hot.
00:48And yeah, I can't wait to get into it with you guys.
00:51Let's get into it.
00:53So what we are going to talk about today is the generation war, whether it's going to therapy, quitting your
00:58job, or choosing to stay single.
01:00Gen Z, Gen X, and millennials approach all of those so differently.
01:05And I'm so excited to talk about whether we are healed or we're just doing things differently again.
01:10And so we have an incredible guest with us today.
01:14I'm so excited to introduce her.
01:16Patti Roberts.
01:17Hey girl.
01:19Patti Roberts representing Gen X.
01:21Gen X, in the room.
01:23In the room.
01:24And she looks good.
01:25So Patti is a refined and relatable, mature influencer known for her wit, wisdom, and undeniable charm.
01:32From wellness and romance to personal growth and style, she is a trusted guide to many.
01:38And through her social media presence and podcasts with her daughter, she shares personal stories,
01:42advice, and practical tips that inspire her audience to embrace the beauty of aging.
01:48Patti, welcome to Go Off, sis.
01:49Why, thank you.
01:50And thank you for having me.
01:51Yes.
01:52I'm so excited.
01:52Thank you so much for being here.
01:53Okay, this conversation about Generation Wars.
01:56First, we're going to talk about, we're just going to start.
02:00Sandy and I are millennials.
02:02Jess is Gen Z.
02:03And you, of course, Patti, are representing for Gen X.
02:06Yes.
02:07How would we, in one word, describe our generation?
02:11Patti, you're going to go first.
02:13In the word that you keep using, unbothered.
02:17Oh, Gen X is unbothered.
02:18I disagree.
02:19Okay.
02:21Jess.
02:22Wait, because that was going to be mine, too.
02:24I was like, we're also unbothered.
02:25But I actually think that we're a little bit more aware than people like, I think, I think,
02:30I think aware.
02:32Okay.
02:32I'm going to say that about Gen Z.
02:33I think that I actually agree with that one for Gen Z.
02:37Sandy, how about you do it for us both, for millennials?
02:40Tire.
02:40I was going to say exhausted.
02:42You see, we done been through a lot.
02:45We done been through 9-11, the COVID, internet, no internet, social media.
02:51Many of our sessions.
02:52Recessions.
02:53We tired.
02:55Okay.
02:55We are exhausted.
02:58Yeah.
02:58Okay.
02:59So first, we're going to start the conversation with talking about work.
03:02And I feel like every generation says the next one doesn't work hard.
03:07Millennials got it.
03:08Gen Z is getting it now.
03:10So let's talk about what our thoughts are on Gen Z, millennials, and Gen X and our work
03:16ethic.
03:17Jess, I want you to kick us off.
03:19You know, when I entered the workforce, the workplace, it was 2020.
03:24So COVID had just begun.
03:27And I think it really set the precedent for the way I view workplace culture.
03:32Working from home, experiencing like mass layoffs at once.
03:36And then also being told to be loyal to a company just felt very foreign to me.
03:41And so as I continue my journey and, you know, being in social strategy and all that, I think
03:47I'm very aware that like you have to work harder for yourself than like anyone else will
03:53because you only have yourself.
03:54So, um, so yeah, I think that's kind of, yeah, I mean, I think that's, that's healthy.
04:00Um, we're going to get a little bit to how I feel about Gen Z and work, but well, how
04:07do
04:07you want to weigh on on how your generation, because I think the, the overwhelming idea
04:11with, with Gen X is that y'all like worked so hard and have these expectations.
04:18Okay.
04:19So as society changes, right?
04:21Yeah.
04:21Culture can't help but change.
04:23So I grew up with the American dream, 40 years, same job, 401k, retire, house paid for,
04:29you know, that sort of thing.
04:31But then when you begin to realize, I don't know if this is actually achievable and the
04:35culture begins to shift.
04:37Of course, the work ethic shifts, right?
04:41So you all may not, no longer believe in 40 mules and acre in the job for 40 years and
04:47that sort of thing.
04:48Right.
04:48So, and I think it's fair.
04:51I think it's relative and relevant because I don't, I don't want you all to live under
04:55the same guise or hammer that we lived under.
04:59Very true.
05:00Yeah, it's true.
05:01And I think it's where millennials, us being like in the middle here, I think we, I think
05:09we saw the Gen X, like that dream, that, that American dream, that like work really
05:14hard and you'll have the white picket fence and you can retire.
05:172.5 kids.
05:18Yep.
05:19Yep.
05:192.5 kids.
05:20Exactly.
05:21And like, that doesn't exist anymore.
05:24Like the people I know who are homeowners, including myself, had help from our parents.
05:28Those are the only millennials who could own a home.
05:31That's a problem.
05:32Right.
05:33And so I just think that we're kind of in, right now we're like dismantling our
05:38thoughts on ambition and on work because like that path just doesn't exist for us anymore.
05:44Yeah.
05:44And I, yeah.
05:45And I feel like we were the generation that finally like took a rest, took a break.
05:51You know, we took those vacations.
05:53We took that time off where like my parents are always like, you're on another vacation.
05:57I'm like, that's what PTO is.
05:58You take the vacation.
05:59Like I'm not a robot.
06:01You know what I mean?
06:01So we kind of try to, we created some, some sort of work life balance.
06:07And I think we're the generation, but then we're also the generation where we stayed at
06:12a job because we just wasn't sure when the next one was going to come because of like
06:16the whole recession.
06:18And I think Gen Z helped us realize, girl, if you don't like it, you got to get out.
06:23You got to get out, but you also have to like stack, I think, jobs.
06:26And so that has four jobs.
06:28I actually, oh my God, too many.
06:30I'm always thinking about how can I make a dollar?
06:32But even with all those jobs, I'm still like, when will I buy a home?
06:35Like I'm 28 and it still feels like buy a home.
06:38That's for my mama, but I am the mom.
06:40Like I'm getting to the point of like having to like think about those things.
06:44So it feels so far away.
06:46Yeah.
06:47So, yeah.
06:47And when we talk about career paths, Patty, there aren't even a lot of creators in your
06:53age group.
06:54So talk about your nonlinear career path because your generation is more known for the linear
06:59path.
07:00So, of course, I came from corporate America and my journey is I did a video during COVID
07:05or post COVID right after that went viral and a management company reached out to me
07:09and said, do you want to do this?
07:10And so everyone that I knew in my age group was like, so wait, what's happening?
07:14You're going to leave your corporate job.
07:15What about your 401k?
07:17What about, you know, all these things, right?
07:19And they're like, you're going to go make videos online and who's going to pay you?
07:23So there was this question of unknown, but I've always been a change agent.
07:27I believe in, you know, don't be afraid of what's next.
07:31You have to do what's next to get to where you're supposed to be.
07:34This life is a journey and we're always growing and changing, right?
07:37So an opportunity was put in front of me and I said, well, let's try it because if it
07:41doesn't work out, one thing I know I can do is corporate America.
07:44Yeah.
07:44You can always go back.
07:45Yeah.
07:46Good for you for taking that leap and that risk.
07:48Yeah.
07:48And it's worked out fabulously.
07:50Yeah.
07:50I love that.
07:51Yeah.
07:51It also feels like very progressive thought potentially.
07:57And also, I mean, we're making so many generations, generalizations about generations.
08:01Yeah.
08:02It's conversation.
08:02Um, but I think that brings us to our, our talk on, on therapy.
08:06I want to get to, uh, therapy and how each of the generations approach that.
08:11What do we think separates each generation's thoughts on therapy?
08:19I'll start.
08:20Yeah, go for it.
08:21You know, I lived in a time where, you know what, something's wrong with you.
08:24Go to church, pray, do something, girl, talk to your mama.
08:27You're good.
08:28You know, like it wasn't, it wasn't a buzzword.
08:31It wasn't a thing to do.
08:32But then, you know, in raising a millennial, it was like, listen, girl, do you need therapy?
08:36Do you know, like something that I never necessarily partook in that I still feel is very valid and helpful.
08:42Yeah.
08:43And Jess, I think that it's so interesting because we, we, I feel like the next generation is always like,
08:50oh, why is that generation like that?
08:51But it's also, you're being raised by that generation.
08:54Yeah, right.
08:55We are like a product of our environment and our parents.
08:58And Jess, when we were talking about this episode, you had a lot to say about your mom and therapy
09:03and generations.
09:04I mean, growing up, my mom was always like, we're black.
09:06And like, we just got in.
09:08Also, Jess, you're going to be fine.
09:09Like, you're black.
09:10It's, you're fine.
09:12But as we both kind of grew up together and she also got access to the Internet and social media
09:19a little bit later in life and she went through her own divorce, she started to see words like narcissism
09:25online and more therapy talk that she had ever seen before.
09:29So that, like, wealth of knowledge now, she was like, Jess, have you ever heard of the word gaslighting?
09:34And I'm like, yeah, when I was 12 on Tumblr, like, you got my face.
09:38So she was like, I had no idea all these things.
09:40So it's like, I wonder how many, you know, missteps she could have avoided if she had known, if she
09:46had the terminology to, like, describe what she was feeling.
09:49So I do think social media, for me at least, being able to grow up on it has helped my
09:53brain a little bit.
09:55Yeah.
09:55And that's what I always complain about Gen Z, but I can appreciate how curious you guys are.
10:01Like, you just want to know to be better.
10:03Yeah.
10:04Well, one of the things I always say about Gen Z and I think next generations in general is that
10:09it's like a course correction, right?
10:11Like, I think millennials course corrected a bit for Gen X and how, like, companies, you were kind of owned
10:17by this company and you worked for so long.
10:21And millennials were kind of like, okay, I don't want to necessarily do that as long as I'm, but we
10:24still worked really, really hard.
10:26And we were the generation of hustle culture.
10:29Like, we really, like, and we still probably have unhealthy relationships to work.
10:33And then Gen Z was like, okay, we're not going to do that anymore.
10:37Yeah.
10:39And also with therapy, like, you know, we're going to start going to therapy.
10:42We're going to start working on ourselves.
10:43We're going to heal.
10:44I just think that sometimes.
10:46I just started going to therapy first.
10:48Oh, did we?
10:49Yeah.
10:49Okay.
10:49I just think sometimes there's an over course correction.
10:52Yes.
10:53You know what I mean?
10:53And I think that sometimes my issue with Gen Z is that it's been an over course correction of, like,
11:00the work ethic situation, over course correction.
11:03Can you give us an example?
11:04The therapy thing, over course correction.
11:06Just like, I mean, you do still got to work.
11:08I'm sorry.
11:09I can't come in.
11:11Well, I can't come in.
11:12Because I'm missing out.
11:15My boyfriend broke up with me.
11:17That's valid, though.
11:19The boundaries are important.
11:22The boundaries are important.
11:23I just am like, how many, though?
11:26How many are we going to institute?
11:28So being a Gen Xer, right, I can obviously see the differences in the age groups, right?
11:34But if you take the little pieces of knowledge that really work for you and apply it to your life
11:39and make them work, because as millennials, you all change jobs every two to three years.
11:43But that's how you got ahead in life, right?
11:45Now, Gen Z, who's like, I'm not even sure if I'm going to work.
11:48I'm like, you know what?
11:49I'm going to take my vacation.
11:50You know, so I think that there's something to be gained from each.
11:54Yeah.
11:55It's a beautiful thing.
11:56It is beautiful.
11:57So which generation works the hardest?
12:00Oh, millennials.
12:03Easy.
12:05But which generation works the smartest?
12:07Millennials.
12:08Easy.
12:08Easy.
12:09Because does it really mean, if you're stressed out all the time, yes, you're working very hard, but I don't
12:15know, because Gen X, they got the home.
12:19They do got the home.
12:20So I'm a good account.
12:23Include me in this conversation.
12:26So do I mean?
12:27Right.
12:28I love that.
12:29Okay.
12:29Well, conversely, which generation is the most healed going back to therapy?
12:36So I think that life is a process.
12:38And we're all in our different stages of this process, right?
12:41Safings.
12:42Because the things that I know at 60, like your mother having access to the Internet, I've been married to
12:48a couple narcissists.
12:49Why am I just learning the word?
12:50You know what I mean?
12:51I've been gaslit for a very long time.
12:54You know, so I think that there are, it depends on where you enter the matrix to where we are
13:00with the healing.
13:01Yeah.
13:01And I can't say that Gen Z would be the most healed if we've only been alive for like 30
13:05years max.
13:06You know what I mean?
13:07Like we need some time.
13:08I'm sorry.
13:09That felt like a shot.
13:11I just got to remind you how young I am.
13:13I mean, you know, you know what I mean.
13:16I do know what you mean.
13:17Yeah.
13:18It's hard to, none of us are healed.
13:20No, we're still a working progress.
13:23Right.
13:23Absolutely.
13:23Yeah, my answer is nobody.
13:26No, yeah.
13:26None of the above.
13:28But we're working on it.
13:29I will say I do think Gen Z is working on it the hardest.
13:31Yes.
13:33You're welcome.
13:34Okay, I want to talk relationships because I do think each generation approaches relationships so differently.
13:41First, let's talk about ghosting because for Gen X, ghosting wasn't even a word.
13:45Yeah.
13:46For millennials, I think it's an egregious act.
13:50And for Gen Z, it's like super normal.
13:53So let's talk about how each of us approach ghosting and relationships.
13:59Jess, kick us off.
14:00Uh, well, I actually had to do it a couple weeks ago, actually.
14:05Um, you know, I just don't know if we always have to say goodbye, but that might just be a
14:10me thing where I hate saying goodbye to people.
14:12Um, no, I don't think, I think with the internet, you never really say goodbye to anyone because I'm following
14:19you on Instagram.
14:20So even if it doesn't work out, I didn't unfollow you.
14:23So maybe, maybe depends on what you did.
14:26Um, I didn't follow you.
14:28So you're still in my orbit.
14:29So you haven't been ghosted.
14:30And that's the loophole that I think we should all be using.
14:33I like it.
14:34Okay.
14:35So I'm an unfair ask because even though I am Gen X, I am an Aquarius.
14:39So I'm, so, you know, that's always like deuces.
14:42We call her.
14:44So I, I am one of the ghosters and, you know, if given the situation, but it's not something that
14:51we were grown up in, grew up with.
14:54But if you're single now and you're out in these dating streets, you get it.
14:59It's very much relevant to us then.
15:02Really?
15:03Yes, ma'am.
15:03Guilty.
15:04What?
15:05Some of y'all just got to go.
15:06Okay.
15:06I know it's not nice, but necessary.
15:09I've been in a relationship for 15 years.
15:11So maybe I'm not the best person.
15:12To talk about this?
15:15Relationship blindness.
15:16For real.
15:18I just feel like you got to at least send a text message.
15:21No, you don't.
15:23You don't have to say anything because you were rude and you know what you did.
15:27Wow.
15:27Okay.
15:28Maybe this isn't a generation thing.
15:30This is just.
15:30I don't think so.
15:31It's just if you're out in the streets right now, you're supposed to stay.
15:34No, you're not.
15:35Okay.
15:36What about singleness?
15:38Yeah.
15:38Let's talk about being single.
15:40Yeah.
15:40Because I do think, again, I'm going to generalize.
15:44Gen X, being single is the worst thing you could possibly be as a woman over a certain
15:48age, especially.
15:51Millennials, that was still in there.
15:53I think we're probably more of an independent generation.
15:57Yes, we are.
15:57And then Gen Z is like, I don't want a man.
15:59Men are embarrassing.
16:00Boyfriends are embarrassing.
16:01Yes.
16:02Prove every time.
16:03It's getting scary.
16:06So, Sandy, what do you think about all that?
16:09I don't know.
16:10I just feel like with social media and these parasocial relationships, people are looking
16:18at the internet like a relationship has to be one certain way when it's not the reality
16:23of things.
16:24And then we hop on trends and bandwagons.
16:27So, having a boyfriend is embarrassing.
16:29Now, no one wants a boyfriend.
16:31Now, it's like, but just last week, you were like, why am I single?
16:34So, you know what I mean?
16:35So, I think we're in some scary times.
16:38And I'm going to just pray for us.
16:41Just pray for us.
16:42I just want to, I think the term that's been going around a lot is de-centering men and
16:46like the process and the act of de-centering men and learning more about yourself.
16:50And I think once you truly understand yourself, that's when you will have the best relationship
16:55you can.
16:56So, of course, as humans, we naturally want connection, whether it's a trend or not.
16:59Once you get to that point of not really caring about anyone else, but the people that
17:04love you, I think we'll get to the promised land of a man or a woman.
17:09And so, as a Gen Xer, I come from the cusp of, or right off the heels of, you had
17:16to
17:16have a man to buy a house.
17:17You had to have a man to open a bank account.
17:19You had to have a man to progress in this life.
17:22So, as a single Gen Xer, like, man, for what?
17:25Because I can buy my own house.
17:27I can open my own bank account.
17:28Yeah, you can.
17:29I can do some things, right?
17:30So, I think that there's a new revolution happening right now of Gen Xers who are saying,
17:37if they're single, like, I'm not certain that I want to sign up for this again, because
17:40either he's looking for a nurse or a purse, we call it.
17:44I like that.
17:46I know my mama about that.
17:47She got a little bit of that.
17:48Mm-hmm.
17:50Yeah, that was a word.
17:51I, yeah, it's so, I think it's so interesting.
17:55I do think that across the board, women are just looking at relationships in a different
17:59way.
17:59Like, it is not, before it was, that is my sense of security.
18:04That is the goal.
18:05That is how I'm steering my entire life.
18:08Correct.
18:09And now, I think we all have decided to tap out of that.
18:12Even though, like, we were talking about de-centering men.
18:14Again, I'm married.
18:15I've been with my husband for 15 years.
18:17That man is not centered in my life.
18:19No, yeah.
18:20You wouldn't even know.
18:21He's not.
18:22I love him very much.
18:22I actually feel like I'm very, like, soft when I'm with him.
18:25We are in a relationship where, like, he is a man.
18:29He is, like, gets to be as masculine as he wants to be.
18:33He is not the center of my life.
18:35Mm-hmm.
18:35And I think that is, is where, like, we're all realizing that that is the goal.
18:41I think that's very healthy.
18:42Yeah, yeah.
18:42So that approach is healthy.
18:44Yeah.
18:44As opposed to, like, saying, fuck them all.
18:47Yeah.
18:48Yeah.
18:48Yeah, again, it's like the over-course correction, right?
18:51Like, you're, like, decenter men, but also don't, like, you know, for better and for
18:56worse, some of us are still attracted to them.
18:58No, but I will say this.
19:00The male culture is shifting and changing.
19:03It is.
19:03And it's a little scary.
19:04You know what?
19:05Because they're typical roles that they used to have, right?
19:08Mm-hmm.
19:09Where they were the breadwinner.
19:10They provide for you, da-da-da-da.
19:12They're now in this 50-50 cult thing.
19:15Oh, they're the main characters, though.
19:16Right.
19:16And so then, but you want me to carry all this and raise the children and do this?
19:22So there's just shifts happening.
19:24Yeah.
19:24I think that, yeah, we can't have this conversation without talking about, like, incel culture
19:27and talking about, like, the manosphere and all of that.
19:31That is, like, I feel like younger generations of men are less progressive than the ones before
19:37them, which is so scary.
19:39Jess, what are you seeing in the streets?
19:41I have a quote from one of my exes that when we, when he was ending it with me, he
19:46said,
19:46I am in my selfish era, and I never heard anything like that in my life.
19:50Wow.
19:51From a man?
19:52A man.
19:53Girl.
19:53In his selfish era.
19:55I said, you don't have to be.
19:56Go ahead.
19:58Yeah.
19:58Be selfish without me.
20:00Right.
20:00You're easy.
20:01And I blame Drake.
20:02Oh, I also blame Drake.
20:03I'm so sorry.
20:04As a black Canadian, I need to apologize for Drake.
20:08That's Drake.
20:09Um, yeah, what it is, it is interesting.
20:12I think that, like, you know, everyone says that we need to bring back begging and R&B.
20:17Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.
20:17And it was, like, the, the information that we were given, and I think through pop culture
20:22and everything, for men and women in our different generations, we're different.
20:27Yeah, so it does a lot.
20:27Millennial men got the, like, you gotta go, like, beg for, beg for love.
20:33She is the prize.
20:34Yeah.
20:35Right?
20:35In pop culture, at least.
20:36Um, and Gen Z is not getting that message right now.
20:41Not getting that treatment.
20:43And you're not getting that shit, man.
20:44Spin that shit.
20:45That's my song, though.
20:46So, that's the type of time.
20:48I'm in New York, right?
20:49All the bedazzled clothes for the Knicks were for men only.
20:52They didn't even make them for women.
20:54This man culture of this softness, of this selfish era, and of this, let's be bedazzled
20:59and wear tight jeans and nothing, fashion-wise, there's nothing wrong with that.
21:03Sure.
21:03It just doesn't represent what I thought or might be imagery that was created for me as
21:08to what the man or his role was supposed to be.
21:11That's so, gender roles is so interesting, because you're all, like, we want to dismantle
21:15them.
21:15Like, I think, yeah, especially being in a relationship where it's like, I don't really cook or clean
21:20in my relationship.
21:21Those are gender roles that were assigned, right?
21:24Correct.
21:24That I think we need to dismantle.
21:26But it is so interesting, then, when those expectations are there, but then there is not
21:31the, like, actions to back it up either, right?
21:33Which I think is what you're seeing with the next generation.
21:36Yeah.
21:36Okay.
21:37We are getting to the end of our conversation.
21:39Patty, I want to ask you, if your generation could send one lesson back in time to the generation
21:45before you, what would it be?
21:49Connectivity with your next generation is so important, because when you disconnect from
21:54what's coming behind you, you leave them to wing it by themselves, right?
21:58So even as I look at the differences between all the generations, I create connectivity.
22:04Yeah.
22:04Because that's how you stay relevant, informed, and healthy.
22:09Yeah.
22:09Yeah.
22:10I love that.
22:11I love that.
22:12We are going to wrap up this conversation in the way that we always do at Go Offs.
22:17This is my favorite segment of our podcast.
22:21It is the Don't At Me, which is exactly as it sounds.
22:25You cannot at us.
22:28We're going to say something.
22:29We're going to stamp a little bow on this conversation.
22:31You got to leave it at that.
22:32That's it.
22:33Please do not at us.
22:34I'm going to throw it over to Gen Z for this one.
22:37Jess.
22:37Oh, don't at me.
22:39Don't look at my dress code when I come into work.
22:42If I want to wear my pink cowboy boots to the meeting, they're pink and they're bedazzled,
22:46and I'm still capable of the job.
22:48The word came in.
22:49Was it cute?
22:50Was it a fit?
22:51If the answer is yes, then yes.
22:54Do that.
22:54Okay.
22:55I won't then.
22:57I'm so quiet.
22:58I heard no.
22:59Yes, girl.
23:00I heard nothing.
23:01Hello?
23:02Hey, if you're saying about these Gen Zs.
23:03I want to let you have it, Jess.
23:05Wear what you want to the cloak.
23:07Wear the sneakers.
23:08Again, this is the over-course correction that I'm talking about, is that Gen Z is like
23:12a dress code.
23:13What's that?
23:14They've been ridiculous in the past, so now I'm just going to throw them completely out
23:17the window.
23:19And you know what?
23:19I love that for you.
23:20Thank you so much.
23:21Thank you, guys.
23:22This has been Go Off, Sis.
23:24Thank you so much, Patty, for being with us.
23:26Thank you for having me.
23:28Thank you, Jess.
23:29Thank you, Sandy.
23:30Of course.
23:30That's good.
23:32Thank you, Sandy.

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