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00:04what's up everybody welcome back to another edition of straight up flushing dexter henry
00:07with my guy tyler ward aka wardy here with me in studio what's going on my guy sex how we
00:12doing
00:12how we feeling good man you know why all season's moving along that's true we are further away from
00:18the season that was 2026 one that i know you wouldn't forget about it's always a good it's
00:21always a good day when you're further away from the 2026 season right dex yes yes yes it is but
00:26we are getting closer to more lockout talk which doesn't make mets fans happy but we do have
00:32something to look forward to this week and i don't know if you're excited about it but that is the
00:36gm meetings as the gms will all convene in las vegas fun place for people to be hopefully nobody gets
00:43into too much trouble but they will all be there to talk baseball get an early start on free agency
00:49trades all those things that are going on so a lot going on here with the gms meetings are you
00:55excited
00:55you get excited about a lot around the mets as always but are you excited about this yeah i mean
00:59as someone who's typically known for getting very animated and really pumped up about everything
01:04regarding the club it's a much more calmer approach as we enter this offseason especially when we look
01:08at the year the mets just had obviously them being out for so long and with the uncertainty with the
01:14pending lockout not really knowing when baseball's even going to play in 2027 unfortunately i'm in this
01:19unique limbo right now where i'm excited but i also don't entirely know what to expect this is not
01:25a typical offseason for the mets or for major league baseball so for that reason too i really say to
01:30myself okay uh this could be a very exciting next 48 to 72 hours or an absolutely hush hush there's
01:37nothing going on and i think i know where it's going to be going towards but i'm excited getting
01:42the conversation today because there's a lot to talk about in regards to it okay so i'm intrigued about
01:46where this could be going because i'm like yeah i have no idea who knows it could be it could
01:50be crazy
01:50a lot of teams could want to get business done maybe the mets get business done who knows we want
01:54to
01:54see all of that but i want to start off with your boy one of your boys you know come
01:58on you knew
01:59what's coming here i'm starting off no i should actually i should have known this well and good
02:03on my commute here i should have thought about this who could be my boy today according to dexter
02:06considering it's the gm meetings oh of course it's your boy david sterns absolutely so we got to put
02:13things in perspective we know the mets are coming off a season that you love 20 26 74 wins missed
02:19the
02:19playoffs for two straight years we all know mets fans you all know this now your boy's heading
02:24las vegas for these gm meetings and i think it would be wise for me to say and for you
02:31to acknowledge
02:32the mets have some major holes to fill going into this offseason how much pressure is david sterns
02:39under here in your eyes to get something done significantly at these gm meetings i think the
02:47pressure goes in direct hand with what is the atmosphere like what is exactly happening with
02:52everyone else right for david whether we like or not he's clearly going to operate in a fashion where
02:57if things really start to pick up around the league he's going to be in the thick of it whereas
03:01if things are quiet david's probably going to be like i'm going to stay quiet too because there's a
03:07reason why no one's really pouncing yet he has to play the market but with the assumption that
03:11this market is going to be contrary to previous gm meetings where it's actually pretty busy and
03:17there's a lot going on uh with there really likely being no winter meetings this year um i think that
03:22it's imperative that david has himself a successful next 72 hours and at minimum um really moving the
03:29needle when it comes to some of the player negotiations he has to set him up for the weeks to
03:33follow but
03:34i would be almost if not completely shocked if the mets don't make at least one move
03:39of significance over the next three days so i'm anticipating it no doubt uh but time will tell
03:44obviously with how quickly these markets shape up in a unique offseason okay one move of significance
03:50we'll use the word success what he needs for a successful gm's meeting we're going to come back
03:54to that because i find it because you know success can be defined in a bunch of different ways that
03:58we all can look at it right think about i think that there's pressure on him because the pressure
04:03is different this is not a normal gm's meeting as you explained because of the looming lockout right
04:09because of all that because he knows he has to do something now here's the thing you don't want him
04:15to do something that is rash that is ah because i have to do something i gotta make move now
04:21and it
04:21doesn't fit fit this team and you look back later and say oh did he rush into this too much
04:25i think it's going to be interesting for him to see that but he's going to have pressure the whole
04:29offseason i just think because this offseason could be very condensed in what happens between now and
04:35december 1st which is when the cba ends the current cba ends it'll be very interesting i think the
04:41pressure was always there do i think there's more pressure for him in these next 48 72 hours because
04:48the meetings are from november 10th to the 12th yeah i do yeah i agree there's gonna be some fans
04:53that are gonna be disappointed if nothing happens oh absolutely i mean there's fans that are always
04:56disappointed when things don't happen right even even in last year's gm meetings if there's not a
05:00lot going on people are like oh that's kind of lame you're hoping that because the gms are getting
05:04together and they're beginning the process of negotiations with players that they think it's
05:07like a certainty that those moves will be had even in winter meetings we've seen in some years they've
05:12been very hush hush i'm trying to think a couple years ago when mlb was in nashville it was like
05:16that year especially there was like very little going on which was bizarre if i'm not mistaken so
05:22time will tell but knowing that there's an admoncy for a level of clubs out there
05:27to make a move if not multiple happen before the new cba kicks in regardless on you know mlb's latest
05:35proposal saying that oh we'll wait until 2028 to start a floor and a cap the union cares very little
05:41about because they know they're not going to agree to that obviously right now um with the exception of
05:46that all the other things we're going to basically stay the same for whatever this new agreement's going
05:50to be after the 2027 season so especially when we look at i've been emphasizing this a lot but it's
05:55going to hold true how the mets operate and how quick do they work here versus how do the dodgers
06:00look in their level of aggressiveness and being a big spender to a team like as i've famously been
06:05referencing throughout the school bowl sweepstakes what's happening with the la angels how much are
06:09they going to be involved this time around when we think of some smaller market teams that just saw
06:14the brewers win the world series does that give them a fire at all to say you know what we're
06:18not too far
06:18removed from how they operate but we're still probably a piece or two shy from getting where
06:22we want to be are we going to now go ahead and move forward or are we going to be
06:26you know we're
06:27going to take a step back because we don't know how the payout structure is going to look we have
06:31a big
06:32divide right now in major league baseball when it comes to this not only from fans to players to the
06:37owners but also we have a divide just amongst the teams itself because there has been some more to
06:43just throw this in their decks um more speculative reporting through you know industry sources or the
06:49past week you know guys like buster only among others vspn have relayed how there's around a dozen
06:54teams or so that are reluctant you know to go ahead and make big splashes if you will make big
07:00moves
07:00before the lockout begins given that uncertainty so as we look at the uncertainty that comes with this
07:06lockout and we are reminded how the mets fared obviously four years ago when they were facing the
07:12similar situation what did they do that what did they go ahead and do then decks so four years ago
07:18um they played it pretty safe from what i what i what i recall what no wait that's the that's
07:24a
07:24scherzer year right it's a scherzer year so i was thinking a year before that if that was a scherzer
07:28year they signed scherzer um they trade for justin verlander uh yeah that was what else did they do
07:35that all season so here's here's what they did verlander was a year later year later because we had
07:39one year with sorry i tried to forget about 23 no you're fine yeah so here's what happened you have
07:45scherzer that was the big yeah big piece but you also had like the couple hours span of the mark
07:51cannas and the eduardo escobars and the sterling martes of the world oh yeah marty marty was a big
07:57signing there too yeah i forgot about can i like that mets offseason i remember except i wasn't thrilled
08:02about this i don't know how you felt about that one scherzer i was excited about but just personally i
08:07was
08:07excited as someone who hated him for as long as they did when he was with the nationals so it
08:11was
08:11kind of like you know i've i've despised facing up against this guy for so long i love the animosity
08:16he has on the mound like i want to see that in queens and for when he was healthy in
08:202022 he was
08:21fantastic he was good um but unfortunately he crumbled in in the playoffs that i attended that
08:26you're probably there for against the padres um and you know the more we forget the better on that
08:32front but the reason why i bring this up though is because again around four years ago now was the
08:37last time that we faced a lockout at all similar to this uh the stakes are greater now because mlb's
08:42very much i want a floor and i want a cap they haven't pushed this to the same degree um
08:47publicly
08:47since the 90s when we didn't even have a world series so what's different about this one though
08:51for the mets approaches you have a david stearns who in certain ways kind of needs to approach this
08:57like how billy upler did because billy upler was a man in new position but didn't have it locked down
09:04long term because he knew what was inevitably looming would be the david stearns hire as soon
09:09as stearns was officially a free agent so that made it easier for billy to buy in for this big
09:15market owner say hey we need to go out and make big splashes like we're gonna win that window let's
09:19take advantage of the fact that this guy's just throwing money at me to go spend it right and billy
09:23did
09:23that to his credit whereas when it comes to stearns with the exception of soto because he's you know
09:29an anomaly of a circumstance the mets have really taken little advantage of cohen's ability to spend
09:34big in ways that they would like to and have they fallen short on some runs with the dodgers
09:39especially they weren't able to get right diaz right tucker we're not complaining about those
09:43things necessarily right now but the point stands students has consistently fallen short and
09:48hitting that mark in the free agent market will this approach now be different will there
09:53will there be that gap finally that billy upward knew he needed to do to make sure max scherzer
09:57didn't go back to the dodgers after being traded but that's the question right because
10:01of the current collective bargaining agreement expiring on december 1st that obviously can
10:06effectively put the offseason on hold what you're actually asking here and you're comparing it to
10:112022 is could the urgency of working the mets favor but to me all that depends on david stearns
10:19is he going to be more cautious right or is he going to be about making those big moves
10:25kind of like epler was in 2022 his mo has always been a little bit more cautious particularly in
10:30milwaukee and i know you'll be like this with me the same milwaukee right right but what do you think
10:35the urgency can actually help david stearns here because that's when i hear you say all that i'm
10:39like well will the urgency work in his favor or do you think it'll just be like he'll be like
10:43no no no there's too much uncertainty here so i'm going to be more cautious yeah i mean he's he's
10:47he's
10:47either going to break or he's going to step up to the moment finally that's what i mean this is
10:51a
10:51pressure situation for david that he hasn't had the same degree at least from what we know publicly
10:56you know entering an offseason this can very well be david's final year as president of the
11:01organization if he does not hit the mark big time this offseason and how he not only further built
11:06the coaching staff with andy green but also obviously in building this roster so when we think
11:10about the types of players that should be coming to flushing queens uh how we were going about player
11:15valuation prior especially guys from smaller markets how much of that has worked versus not
11:20this far with stearns the bad has outweighed the good let's bear that in mind as we approach this
11:25offseason right and the aggressiveness that comes along with it i'm excited though because i think
11:29one way or another david knows that the pressure's on and there's a pressure on across the league to
11:34make moves happen here before we get to that deadline so one way or another we're going to find out
11:39real fast including derek falvey's influence here as to just how aggressive this met's team will be
11:44from the jump i think he can't he can't be cautious here not not with the way this could be
11:51very
11:51condensed in some ways i love your comp to epler in 2022 um you got a strike to me now
12:00you have to
12:01strike smartly i and that's all it's a gamble with anything with free agency with trades you don't
12:05know until the games are played till the guys get on the field but he can't sit back he has
12:10to be
12:11aggressive right now back in 22 i love the marty deal i like the canna deal um i did not
12:18love the
12:18scherzer deal because of his age and you're right he worked out for a season and then it did not
12:23um but if you can go get a guy whoever that is and most people probably know we're talking about
12:28scuba i'm about to get to that in a second you got to go get him you got to be
12:31aggressive i think
12:32the caution that we've seen from david stearns not now not not after not making the playoffs for two
12:38seasons right you that's a factor in this too that combined the condensed timeline that we're working
12:44with here through november to december 1st it's just not going to work you got to go out and make
12:48a move now with scuba we discussed scuba last week but with the g meetings here now dodgers
12:57said they're trying to keep him speaking of aggressive or cautious how aggressively should
13:03the mets pursue scuba this week especially as boris boris wants to play the market his agent agent
13:09for tarik scuba you know he wants to play he's absolutely the best pitcher on the market how
13:15aggressive should they be trying to get him this week and is this the kind of player you're looking
13:19at like look the mets you can't let this guy walk you can't let him go someplace else you have
13:23to
13:23bring him in you got to reel in the big fish i do need to be aggressive this week you
13:28might say
13:28they need to be aggressive throughout the whole month but i'm just talking about this week yet
13:31you're at gm meetings you sit down with scott boris you get on the phone you're looking at like
13:36yo you got to get this done this week how do you look at it yeah i mean being aggressive
13:40and getting
13:41something done two different things but i agree with you on the being aggressive part because whether
13:45or not that leads to scuba signing within the next number of days or if this doesn't go until all
13:50the
13:50way right before the lockout uh you know as my outfit for this halloween ricky bobby would famously
13:55say if you're not first you're last and david sterns needs to make sure that he's first in his pursuit
14:00of tarik scuba here okay because if he does decide to sit on his hands a bit and be rather
14:04complacent
14:05approaching this like any other player he will find himself in last because he will not be doing
14:09enough to separate himself from the rest of the pack and that's the most important thing when we talk
14:14about scuba and the mets approach for him you know i've been being this drum constantly my platform
14:18i said here you agree with it it's the following what do the mets have to sell to tarik scuba
14:23in
14:24ways that the daughters don't it's essentially everything it's from location as scuba is an
14:30arizona native and could have spring training each year right around the corner with his family
14:34instead of being in saint lucie with the mets it's also track record which the mets literally have none
14:38of um the only thing the mets have to flex is a unbelievably wealthy owner who has an adamancy to
14:45bring a championship back to queens and is clearly putting forth the continued effort there
14:49hospitality is great mets are doing very good in their player development we've seen over the past
14:53couple years under sterns and green and green and gross which they deserve credit for but that it's
14:58apples and oranges when you look what the daughters are and as someone who just got a taste of la
15:02right before the season ended just like how scherzer was years ago with turner when he got dealt from dc
15:08to
15:08la so again what about the mets pursuit of scherzer is what made him a new york met it wasn't
15:13the track
15:14record it wasn't the location it was none of that it was quite literally making max scherzer the
15:19highest paid pitcher major league baseball history on the average annual value and that will always
15:23trump all so for the mets here it's not just about being first but it's really about setting a gap
15:28to the next closest spender and whether they can actually do that or not is to be determined because
15:33maybe the daughters will be relentless and go as far as the mets are or maybe the angels are going
15:39to
15:39be absolutely scorched shirt in ways that we just are like all right like we're just going to go
15:44tit for tat we're going to see basically who you want in the end um either way uh the mets
15:48are in a
15:49position here where they have to do such a great greater selling job than some other contending teams
15:55going after school ball and that can't be lost in their pursuit in ways that without being a fly on
16:00the wall in those negotiations the past offseason or two one does have to wonder how much turns maybe
16:05didn't emphasize that enough in the process because he was maybe a little too complacent on
16:10operating in his way and not the way he needs to given the market he's in and i like that
16:15you brought
16:15that up because that makes me then think about the fact that we heard steve cohen say he wanted more
16:21voices in the mets front office right you don't just say that for nothing right and then to to his
16:26credit
16:26we've seen more voices come in right so we've seen derrick falvey um you know that he's on board
16:32you know with andy green they're expected to have more influence here at the major league level
16:36something we're expecting to see the question for me though is and i think particularly if something
16:41gets done this week or something doesn't get done this week i think a lot of mets fans are going
16:44to
16:44say okay well will those changes actually push davis stearns to approach roster construction differently
16:52than we've seen the last couple of years or is this still going to be his show when i say
16:57those
16:57changes i mean those guys coming in their voices their impact will that change anything for him
17:02for me i hope so i hope it is a little more collaborative because it seems like it hasn't
17:07been that just because he hasn't had other voices to necessarily push him where somebody might say hey
17:13you might be hesitant on this like you just talked about you might be hesitant on going to get tarik
17:17school no no no no you got to push more because of what you just said the mets are the
17:23mets sometimes
17:23you got to know who you are okay the mets don't have the championship legacy to sell they're not the
17:28dodgers they're not the yankees i don't mets fans don't want here you got to know who you are
17:32they don't have that so sometimes all you got to sell is we got daddy warbucks here and he could
17:38he could give a lot of money and make you the highest paid pitcher and we're gonna come we're
17:44trying to build something here we got soto in here we got you in here we treat our players good
17:47you got to go with that but you might you might have to be a little bit more aggressive with
17:52your
17:52approach for the money to get a free agent than you normally comfortably willing to go
17:56especially stearns who's had the stubbornness to want to do it for a guy in his in his age group
18:01right now you know for yamamoto is a beautiful exception given him 26 yeah he's entering like
18:05his age 25 season at the time or whatever whereas you know it's school entering his age 30 season next
18:10year you know you're buying into the second half of his career that's likely going to be injury riddled
18:14just like any other pitcher as they get older as someone who's already dealt with ailment but the way he
18:18throws it's inevitable that he's obviously going to deal with things as time goes on so for the
18:22Mets here does the reward outweigh the risk and for david stearns who famously missed the mark
18:29terribly this past offseason and evaluating those exact things i think he would be the first to tell
18:34you that school bulls reward does outweigh the risk when you have three consecutive years of being
18:39a five to north of seven war per fan graphs player and all baseball you know having that type of
18:46immediate impact and your rotation would be monumental and from not only the talent he brings on the field
18:52with him and soto collectively adding 10 if not you know 12 plus wins to the Mets each year which
18:57from two players is massive but as long as it doesn't hinder the Mets from making other proper
19:02moves this isn't even something that should be debated in my opinion among Mets fans quite frankly
19:06i i i as a matter of fact i will go out as far as to say that if there's
19:11any Mets fan out there
19:11that's opposing the school bull if you are given a certainty that acquiring him will not hinder the Mets
19:19from still operating in a big market fashion each year no i i don't i don't really know what else
19:24to
19:24say to you you know like i completely understand the argument and this was like a will ponzian approach
19:29where it's like they're gonna make one big splash and then they literally will do nothing for the
19:33next decade but no this is just the latest offseason where there's a top talent out there
19:38that fits the Mets window for trying to win well so that's the thing that's what it comes down to
19:43it's the window and are you trying to win or not you haven't made the playoffs in two years
19:49the goal is to try to win you have to go what was the last time they made playoffs back
19:54-to-back years
19:55oh yeah a decade ago what was the last time that they actually got beyond the first round in back
20:00-to-back
20:00years what we're going back 2006 no not even because 2007 and 2008 they didn't make the play oh my
20:07god
20:08that's true this is before i was alive then you're talking this is before i was alive dex yeah you're
20:12talking older than that teddy bear that you brought you're talking 2000 and not down 2000 99 and 2000
20:1899 and made the nlcs 2000 no sorry excuse me 2000 and 2001 you see you see how low the
20:26bar is for
20:27this organization to have any type of stability with being just a good team not even a great team
20:32dex a good team okay so in order to become a good team you got to add good players especially
20:37when
20:37you have a good surrounding cast and the mets for the rotation they're in a great position with
20:41that right now with mcclain with thornton with scott and that's part of the cell of course and the
20:47eventual tons and santucci's and wenegra's of the world they're here these are all things to help buy
20:52in but again as fantastic as mcclain is and as good as thornton scott may continue to be one thing
20:58is certain is that you don't have that type of soto in your rotation the way that scuble does i
21:05think
21:06mcclain will get there i mean the guy had an amazing year as is for the mets but you know
21:10there's going to be natural ups and downs that come with a young starter like him in this market
21:14and for scuble if he can handle this market think about just the the fantastic way he's going to have
21:20an influence on not only these young guys but on future player pursuits because think about all the
21:25young players are influenced by soto being here imagine how it'll be with school being here especially
21:30if he wins at least one scion in the mets uniform i love that point the reason i love that
21:35point is i
21:35love that you bring up the fact about soto's impact and i've been talking about this as we
21:40we got close to the offseason now in the offseason this mets rotation needs somebody that can anchor at
21:46the top that comes into the high level not just has the talent and can throw the ball warty but
21:51can
21:51also show other guys how to do it right that stuff matters that's the thing we don't talk about
21:56with juan soto juan soto is amazing talent at the plate we know his eye we know everything that he
22:00can do but he shows a level of professionalism in the way he approaches the game every day
22:05that stuff matters when you're clubhouse that stuff matters when you're building your team right so if
22:09you get at tarix scuble in the door oh now noan mcclain who we think is dope and is immensely
22:14talented
22:15he's now seeing what it takes to be an ace so that as tarix scuble is going on the downside
22:20of his career
22:21he might be able to take over there and you're like oh they're really good having that kind of
22:26leadership matters so i'm so glad you brought up leadership because you have to have that in here
22:31it's not just the talent it's about how guys approach the game every day right and seeing that level
22:36this app this is matters in all lines of work you need to see professionals be professionals
22:41you need to see people at the top of their craft do what they're doing to show you how it's
22:45done
22:45and so i think that if that can happen for the mets that's also part of why you got to
22:49go all in
22:50that's why you have to try to blow out the competition out the water now some people may say as
22:54you
22:54were kind of alluding to well dex and warty i don't want the mets to look desperate you're the
23:00mets you're gonna be a little desperate beggars can't be choosers dex come on you're gonna be a
23:07little desperate of course you're a little desperate you don't want to be wild with your
23:11desperation out in these free agent streets that's not what you want in your free agent streets right
23:15but what you want to do what you want to do is you want to you want to try to
23:21set the mark and show
23:22that you're serious right right you and i we had this analogy early in the season you brought up
23:27to me you're like hey this is like when you're dating you're courting somebody i forgot what
23:30exactly we're talking about and you're like yo maybe it wasn't you might have been actually
23:34andrew claudio who's on the episode either way it's a great mets pie but the point was
23:38you got to show something right you got to show something to land the person you're trying to be
23:43with you can't just come like you know what i might do that's not gonna work here right you're
23:50trying to get scoobal you're trying to get married here you need to be assertive you need it yes you
23:55need to make it clear exactly what your intentions are from the get-go there's no games to be played
24:00okay there's no little back and forth on the phone for a little bit to make question to make them
24:04guess maybe you're leaving the message open no you do none of that are you you do not leave
24:08terry school's message on open okay you go ahead and say how much how much you want all right are
24:13you
24:13going to take it and run like yamamoto did and match with the daughters let us know but you'd appreciate
24:19the point is you got to make them think you got to make a decision now can you do that
24:24this week
24:25maybe should be able to you should be able to aggressive you're going to be right um i want
24:30to get back to your boy stearns real quick for a second of course me and david go way back
24:34he
24:34knows right yeah i think this part matters too when we talk about stearns and you and i have talked
24:39about this i don't know maybe if we talked on air off air but you know you look at stearns
24:43you see
24:43like okay the brewers just won the world series with several players several players that david
24:49stearns had influence in exactly yeah you saw this happen so i think there's a way you can look at
24:55that and what the brewer's success and what they've had right and say clearly he knows how to build a
25:00winner a sustainable winner i also want to man because i want to give credit to the brewers on
25:03that the brewers have been building toward this this has been sustainable they've been a great team in
25:08the national league for multiple years i think the big question i'm sure it's your question for
25:12your boy too if you were sitting right here you would ask him this you're like yo what's up
25:15why is this not translated with the mets i've seen you build a sustainable winner in a smaller market i
25:22know he didn't he left he's not there anymore but he was part of it right why is the same
25:26approach
25:27not work with the mets especially considering you got an owner who i just called daddy warbucks here
25:32who's got all the money that's got to be the question it's like yo you were able to make this
25:37cook over here why can't you make it cook here and maybe we got to wonder you always talk about
25:41market is david stearns built for the pressure of new york and i think the simple answer that is so
25:47far no it's it's not it's not a personal side against him whatsoever just a matter of fact in
25:52evaluating how he has fared as president at this point and uh talk about not hitting on your roi
25:56that's something that sadly steve cohen continues to invest in with the new york mets i mean it's just
26:01been egregious and when you ask the question what about stearns's approach with the brewers
26:06why is it not working now and this is a thing that has so many layers as to what the
26:12answer is
26:12but you know in simple terms it's this was something that wasn't built overnight in the
26:17sense of rome being the brewers finally winning the championship right think about how long it took
26:21them to get there and think about how long that they stayed in a system in a way of thinking
26:25and
26:26developing talents consistently to finally get over the hump the way that they did right because they
26:30didn't do this nearly as much on spending the frazier market they did this mainly on fantastic
26:34player development and scouting over the years so for the mets here david stearns adopts his team
26:40that was not his team so we need to remember that there was all these layers of from making it
26:47more
26:48of his club as years have went on with partying ways with veterans who had been here and building
26:53up his club and also just completely missing the mark on handling this market to your point
26:57he's used to having the mentality that he had in milwaukee and you would think that someone getting
27:01paid the millions of dollars that he does each year knowing as a mets fan from manhattan you would
27:05think that he would have had had greater foresight on this and how to approach it sadly um that that
27:11wasn't the reality that we found ourselves in and that's why david right now looks like while he's
27:15under contract a couple years this will be the final year of david stearns as president
27:19in the organization if the mets do not have a successful 2027 that that goes without saying it and
27:24there's a confidence there because while steve cohen obviously doesn't want there to be continued
27:29turmoil he knows that this is a market that expects to win and he came in here giving us that
27:35great
27:35expectation and i will be shocked genuinely if cohen approaches this the way that steinbrunner has
27:42with cashman and with boone where if we just find ourselves good that that's going to be fine to
27:49continue to run it back i don't think that's going to happen if david stearns has another failed
27:53off season the mets find themselves not even the playoff window whenever the 2027 season comes
27:57around so that's yeah that's not happening and and the big for sure the big thing is even steve
28:02cohen i have to look at that and say i know who we are right and that is we would
28:07cashman on the
28:08yankees you know it's the metro but with the yankees he's won you could say aaron boone has it and
28:13that's fine and then yankee fan will tell you that but like there's still that there's a championship
28:17pedigree there there is a getting to world series there smith's team hasn't done this even under
28:22this is true so i think i'm with you on this i think steve cohen knows this i think we've
28:27talked
28:28ad nauseum about how big of how big of an off season this is and big next season is for
28:32the mets
28:32as it's a real big season for the organization just overall not just david stearns it is a big season
28:37for off season off season and season for the organization and to me because of the condensed
28:42nature of what could happen with this lockout this is a huge three days this is a huge 72 hours
28:49i get
28:49it guys most gm meetings are not this big it doesn't matter that much but here yeah it matters
28:55so with that being said gm meetings wrap up on thursday and i'm sure we're going to talk after
29:01this i know we will what would you need to see here both in order to feel confident that david
29:10stearns is moving the mets in the right direction even if they haven't made a major move because i'm
29:17sure there's a way you can still come out of the gm meetings if morty if they haven't made a
29:20major
29:21move where you're still like okay i still feel kind of good about the way things are moving what is
29:25what does that look like for you yeah i mean to answer that question it really goes in hand a
29:30lot
29:30with what's happening around them as i said you know if the mets are in the spot where we go
29:3472 hours
29:35from now we're talking dexter next episode about how the mets sat on their hands and did nothing but
29:40that's really because it actually ended up being a very quiet gm meetings contrary to what we initially
29:44were thinking that's like okay heard you um was it really busy but were they players that the
29:49mets really didn't need that very well could be the case you know mets fans we will of course be
29:54quick to react and be pitchforks in one hand and firing another at stearns for being like why didn't
30:00you sign so and so just because the market starts moving even if they are players i don't really make
30:04logical sense here you know and there's a lot of players in this fraser market that uh transparently
30:09i think the mets are more than fine without so i don't think that this is a year where we
30:13need to be
30:13kicking and screaming and crying because we're not kicking tires on everything under the sun
30:17so for me what i'm hoping to see over the next 72 hours is that the mets do make one
30:23move of
30:23significance as i mentioned uh but if they do not do that then my hope is that we came out
30:28of it
30:28having a greater idea as to not only what the mets are pursuing but some more clarity as to the
30:33players
30:34that they're connected to and also in some other areas it'd be cool there's some reporting that leaves
30:39gray area we're like we're hearing things about the mets but like we really don't know
30:43because there have been some moves in recent years under stearns um for better or for worse
30:47more so worse than better sadly of ones that you really didn't hear about much you know bo bo happened
30:53like that you know and talk about at the inception of the show dex you mentioned you know making moves
30:58for the sake of making moves yeah one could argue that that somewhat falls in that category of bo
31:03because steve cohen said we have to make a big splash here after missing out on tucker after of course
31:09letting lonzo to walk we have to get a bat that can be top three or top four in order
31:13so even if
31:14it didn't make sense from a defensive standpoint which is what david stearns was beating that drum
31:19so far so long about uh the mets still went ahead and did it um and they're not benefiting from
31:25a
31:25financial standpoint with it right now i'm sure that they like bo but i'm sure they'll also be the
31:30first to tell you that they would have been more than fine with bo if he opted out and did
31:35not opt in
31:35for 42 million dollars for next season with a 700 ops you know what i mean so um currently if
31:41the
31:41mets made that sign this for agent class we would say like we knew we need to overpay for a
31:47guy
31:48that's egregious but is it going to stop the mets from making other good moves that's all i care about
31:54and knowing he's not even on a long-term deal is why i'm not like hung up on it the
31:58way that some
31:58other fans are yeah i think that's why i think a lot of it is because that's still a good
32:02deal for the
32:04mets in the short term it was good for both sides sometimes it happens like that which you probably
32:08like based on last year's you said with a 700 ops to possibly playing be paying boba shed a little
32:13bit less sure and will they be doing that this time around too are they going to make another move
32:17that
32:17either from falling through on school or you know just being a bit creative and opportunistic if you
32:23will in ways that we aren't currently seeing right and then you go ahead and see them make a big
32:27spot
32:27you're like oh this is very random but i'm i'm down yo but you know like that'd be fun but
32:32think
32:32that'd be a lot of fun about how you felt the week of the boba shed signing because they signed
32:36him
32:36and then they make the trade for louise robert jr and you're kind of like okay i see how this
32:40is
32:41oh yeah it was definitely a pick me up after like literally falling out on tucker and and everything
32:46prior because i think diaz and tucker weren't far removed from one another i think it was like four
32:50or five days yeah so i was like we were having a week from hell between that and alonzo i
32:54was like
32:54okay yeah you know we can you can you can work with this i think for me to try to
33:01answer the
33:01question i asked you because i think you thought about it fairly reasonably and not everybody's
33:07going to be as reasonable on this is if they come out of this and you're hearing that they've had
33:14meetings and conversations and are talking or one of my favorite words of this season progressing
33:20towards a deal right which is where fans get a little excited and you're hearing multiple players
33:26they've got their hands in a couple of things i feel like that's a job well done at the gm
33:31meetings
33:32that's saying if they don't get somebody right like i would still feel like that's good i always tell you
33:38it's a lying season you got to be careful about what's out there who's putting that out there
33:43but i think if you're hearing from reputable sources that this is what's going on then i think you come
33:50out
33:50of it feeling good so i'm really intrigued on friday when we talk again how we're gonna feel
33:56coming out of this because we can feel very differently we could be on a super super high
34:00or you super low or we could be exactly right here right now be like all right yeah we're fine
34:06it was
34:06quiet the whole time nothing changed really for anyone or you know like a couple teams made big
34:10moves but the moves that they made were big for them but not big like as it would have been
34:14for the
34:14mess i like that you said that because i think sometimes people have to look at that when you're
34:17evaluating team moves just because something worked for somebody else doesn't mean that you missed out on
34:20the thing for you i mean it's also personally too in life but for teams right let's say the
34:26cardinals do something i'm just throwing them as an example they make some moves and you're like i
34:29like those moves cardinals usually good organization they make some good moves but that doesn't mean that
34:33would have been good for the mets right it doesn't mean that it's a failure by david stearns because he
34:37didn't get that i think we got to let the process play out and while we're talking about the gm
34:41meetings the process is going to be more than these next three days do i think these next three days
34:45are big
34:46yes because it can be big for what the mets can establish but it's not the end-all be-all
34:50here
34:50right and i think that's a good way of putting it if if the lockout started in 72 hours and
34:55yeah
34:55kind of is the end-all be-all you know we don't really have much time to waste here but
34:59that isn't
34:59the case so with that being said dex you know i think that's that's a beautiful way of kind of
35:03putting a wrap on it when we look at what's ahead for these gm meetings but before we kind of
35:08let
35:08everyone know um what is next year for straight out flushing for a next episode because i think we can
35:13just relay more of what we're just talking about we'll go over the results and stuff like this
35:17is there any final words that you'd like to share yeah i do and i do if i do if
35:21this is a couple
35:21couple things i have for you sure very quickly let's say this if you had the power this is a
35:27lot
35:28of power i'm about to give you right here you guarantee that the mets complete one move before
35:32potential lockout just one significant move what would it be a significant significant move all right
35:39yeah because that's the only thing that's gonna get the fan base excited they want a significant move
35:42right okay what would that move be and why is it the most important thing you think the mets have
35:48to get done i was on board when you're saying move but significant changes the playing field a bit
35:55because i can't sit here and say you know when the mets inevitably sign an infielder to majorly
35:59contract the next two days you know but someone is that not going to really move the needle too much
36:04or anything i'm gonna say to you know if that person is uh replacing marcus simian i think some
36:08people would consider that that's true yeah that that is fair you know but having said that though
36:14i think i could definitely see what were the mets bring in against someone that is not a massive
36:20needle mover for either the infield or outfield that they acquire um i think the infield market's
36:25going to be interesting how that shapes up because the outfield might drag a bit even as we get post
36:30lockout depending on how things are going to configure his outfielders a lot of times especially
36:33they're like fourth outfielder types they might not need a sign really until right before the season
36:37starts so significance you know the mets are all in on the pitching right now so i would look and
36:42say
36:43that the biggest move that we could see them making is obviously something in the pitching department
36:46um my heart wants it to be a big signing of a starter but my gut is telling me that
36:53the mets
36:53acquire a reliever but i i really don't know yeah it's a reliever move could be significant if it's a
37:01you know front line back into the bullpen guy that's gonna like is is adrian morahone
37:07good enough for the new york mets to say you know what we are going to cough up what it
37:12takes to
37:12acquire him which is of course you know multiple draft picks in the stance and they also give up i
37:17believe a million dollars and they're signing a bonus pool for the ifa uh which is not great but
37:23morahone because he has a qualifying offer attached you'd have to do that i mean i think i think he's
37:28a
37:28unique exception of someone that you should do that for especially at his age he's only entering his age
37:3227 28 season so you can still buy in on his prime years the next four or five years and
37:37you know get
37:38a really dominant lefty and listen i don't know if the mets would do it i'm sure they have a
37:44level of
37:44an appetite to do it especially they don't bring in school but there's a lot of speculation as to
37:49can adrian morahone be the next big arm to transition to a starter he was a starter in his early
37:55years
37:55with the padres in his early 20s didn't look all that great but he was in his early 20s and
38:00he hasn't
38:00touched in like five six years now i i don't think i hate the idea of maybe giving that a
38:05second go
38:05around especially for a guy who pitched what 80 innings last year at least if not 90 so he's up
38:10there you know he's very much at michael king's first sample as a yankee going from a reliever to
38:15starter was around 90 innings or so um if not 100 in his final year in the bronx and obviously
38:20he had
38:20the success that he did mets aren't foreign or you know unfamiliar with transitioning you know
38:26pitchers to such degree so i'm curious because i think either way he'd be a beautiful
38:30fit for their bullpen or you know someone that if they do want to stretch as a starter profile
38:35um could have major upside if he actually is able to buy in the way that we got clay holmes
38:40to buy it
38:41yeah i understand it wouldn't be tarik scuble but i think that would be a major move i think there's
38:44some the reason i asked that question i think there's room for significant moves and you mentioned
38:48the infield because i think for a lot of fans anybody but jorge polanco yeah marcus simian is going
38:53to be significant for them and so i understand that too and i think that could be good before we
38:58go
38:58could we just do a quick game of deal or no deal oh of course yes oh i apologize you
39:04mentioned this
39:05it was fine we've been locked in all right we're just gonna we're just gonna it's gonna be real
39:08quick people we're just gonna say this name or or thing that could happen and we're gonna say deal
39:14are you gonna give me a car are you gonna give me a contract with them or just the name
39:17just the
39:17name just what happens and it's going to be like will this happen by the time the gm meetings end
39:22oh okay just to put it all okay all right met sign tarik scuble deal or no deal by the
39:29end of the
39:29gm meetings by the end of the gm meetings no deal they do not sign tarik scuble but the asterisk
39:34is
39:34no one does i'm agreeing with you on that i don't think tarik scuble signs by the end of gm
39:39meetings
39:39i'm going no deal on that one too for the same i don't think anybody signs tarik scuble but energy
39:43meetings because his agent is who his agent is that's not and if he and if he does sign that
39:47okay
39:47then we'll see we'll see what happens if we're i mean i hope i'm wrong but right for the mets
39:53fans
39:53out there i hope i'm wrong not that he signs with somebody else mets acquire another veteran starter
39:58deal or no deal mets acquire another veteran starter by the end of gm meetings yes that is not tarik
40:06scuble that is not tarik scuble should be clear on that as long as as long as the market is
40:13playing
40:13up and it's busy deal going deal i'm going deal all right so deal on this i am going to
40:20say
40:23no deal go no deal on this because i don't know if that starter is going to be a free
40:28agent i don't
40:29know if that starter is someone via trade i said acquires it could be either one but i do think
40:33that
40:33there's a world that especially before the lockout the mets not only land a starter but i think that
40:38they inevitably land someone that might be more their middle back-end profile regardless of what
40:44happens with tarik so if it's a hot market the next couple days it's definitely possible i think the
40:50pitching i have a feeling the pitching market's not going to be as hot the next couple days maybe
40:53that's that's my assumption going okay interesting i think i don't i'm not sure at least well at least
40:58for maybe somebody in the higher front end of a pitching rotation right i'm not sure if and
41:04there's a drop-off between school and you're talking about michael king and clay home there's
41:08a drop-off there but i'm gonna say no okay okay mets add a new first baseman deal or no
41:15deal by the
41:15end of gm meetings oh because i want it yes that and if we're following along with what's being
41:25reported ty france's market is moving really fast i'm not saying he's gonna land with the mets because
41:30there's a great reality that he doesn't but if that market's moving fast that means the other
41:34dominoes in that market will be following suit not long after and it's not a deep market and the
41:39trade market regarding first baseman is a massive question mark you know could a guy like benny
41:43pascantino be traded from the royals you know that's that's a fun thought process among some others so
41:47we will find these things out in due time but i do think there will be a first baseman at
41:51least
41:51coming off the board in the next couple days yeah this is the one where i'm going deal i i
41:55i think that
41:56the mets add a new first baseman here i don't know if it's going to be the sexiest name that
42:00people
42:00want but i do think they could could be a tie france i do think somebody that fits that profile
42:04that could be a bridge at that position there is not a young guy that the mets are enamored with
42:09coming up through the farm system we've talked about that ryan clifford high strikeout rate all
42:13that stuff there i'm going deal on this i feel like this is maybe the one of the more likely
42:17deals
42:17for the mets here at the winter meetings depending on how those markets unfold and a guy like a tie
42:22france i'm kind of banking on you don't know the uncertainty you're kind of in that middle tier
42:27ish of free agents in terms of pay they those guys like to get a deal done quick before this
42:32lockout comes oh for sure and i think we're going to see an adamancy behind many players wanting to
42:37get a deal done before the lockout ends because not just the uncertainty but it's more so an issue
42:42and we'll get into this when we talk on my platform as well but you know when you have a
42:46lockout
42:47that say stretches until at minimum may or even june yeah you know that's a really tough thing
42:54for players themselves to get acclimated and to have the uncertainty of not even knowing where
42:59they're playing yet and a shortened season when they might have a lot on the line maybe they have
43:04to go again for another you know bridge contract to really try to hit the market again the way that
43:08they want like there's a lot more added pressure there so you know i think of chris bryant especially
43:13when i think about him signing with the colorado rockies and that was during that you know that
43:17that lockout off season and there was an emphasis and a pressure he felt um as a scott boris client
43:24from my understanding of someone who just felt like he had to pull the trigger on this especially
43:29given the timing of everything it's funny he thought he was going to be met when he got texts like
43:34early in that day and ultimately thankfully that didn't happen that would have been up there with
43:38the worst moves in met's history actually insane so that's a that was such a big chris bryant guy too
43:44there's been we've been wrong some things before just a few met's make a major trade
43:49met's make a major trade by the end of meetings oh that'd be so fun i would love for them
43:53to make
43:54a major trade by the end meetings and sterns has been unique in early offseason trades it isn't
44:00foreign to him um i'm going to say yes because i think that there's more logic behind that than
44:06actually some of the other things that you've asked me so far i think if i think if we're basing
44:10anything off of if sterns is going to act similar and just the way that he approaches some off seasons
44:15if not completely the opposite um he has made early trades in recent years for the mets not
44:22overly big moves each time but he's made early moves so this one is interesting to me because
44:26i'm kind of on the fence about it but this could also tie into how they get a first baseman
44:29right especially say ty france doesn't sign with them after maybe they presume heavily or something
44:34like there's going to be a pivot and that's where that's where i'm leaning deal i'm okay i'm going
44:38to say deal here okay because i wonder if in some of the other things whether it's we talk all
44:43the
44:43things i mentioned before another veteran starter tarik skuble met to add a new first baseman what if
44:47the pivot to get one of those things is with a deal i feel like there's going to be a
44:51pathway and
44:51i think sterns is actually probably more likely and comfortable to explore that kind of pathway
44:55going through a deal now how much will he be willing to give up for certain kind of players
44:59that's going to be an interesting thing right but i do think it's a pathway that people maybe
45:03won't focus on or the market might bear that people are just so focused on a free agency at these
45:07times
45:08that want to sign but can you get somebody as cost controlled that can help your team particularly
45:13that you feel like you can have for a couple of years that could be a major trade so i'm
45:16going to
45:16go deal on this one too last one we got mets add an established high leverage reliever
45:25at by the end of the gm meetings deal or no deal yeah i mean that was in that that
45:30was in my thought
45:31process going back to when i was talking about more home so you have to yeah i'm gonna see i'm
45:35gonna
45:35see yeah i'm going to deal on everything unfortunately because i know only one the only one is probably
45:39gonna have what you did was not school you said no yeah the only thing i said not school i
45:43i think
45:44it all is in hand with the market guys so if you if you're going to come back at this
45:47in three days
45:48and be like how where do you see your run again i'm like yeah if nothing else happened around
45:53completely understand but if there's a lot of traction happening around and stearns wasn't
45:57one of those then yeah throw a pie in my face all you want that's fine uh is that this
46:04mark
46:04see this could this is it's interesting i can be wrong i can be say i'm gonna say no deal
46:08on this
46:09but i could still end up being right because it could be a trade that comes and you get that
46:12high
46:13high leverage reliever right it's possible so i i don't i think if they get a high leverage reliever
46:18it's probably gonna come that way through the trade i'm not sure it'll come via signing
46:24i'm gonna say no deal on this but i'm gonna go with i think the mets make a trade here
46:29and they also land the first baseman that's maybe two both of those things happen and the more i think
46:35about it too there there's a good reality that maybe they don't get an established reliever for
46:38a bit until closer to lockout because i'm thinking that more hone needs to happen by
46:43say that time when that doesn't need to be the case so and that's why i lean to no deal
46:48that's
46:48fair i'm probably i would if i switch i would probably flip it no deal as well that's fine
46:52you're not a flip-flopper you're allowed to change your mind you have new information yeah exactly it's
46:56okay it's fine all right we just played a quick game of deal or no deal we will see how
46:59that all
46:59plays out match gm meetings are here let us know in the comments what you think do you think the
47:04mets make some moves will it be quiet i know some of y'all will be mad if it is
47:06quiet uh me included
47:08i want to see some news i'm bored i agree with what you said you have to take note of
47:13everything
47:14that's happening at these meetings and not just jump to the conclusion quickly so we'll see what
47:18happens that's going to do it for this edition of straight out of flushing enjoy the gm meetings we
47:21will have if there's any news that breaks any updates we're going to be on top of it here on
47:26straight out of flushing we will have a lot to talk about that is my boy see i i'm not
47:31going to
47:31just put i'm not going to put a sterns on you man oh thank goodness that's my boy tyler ward
47:36aka
47:36shout out you dex we appreciate you no problem man see i'm gonna come back and give you some
47:40love there we go that's my guy tyler ward aka wardy i'm dexter henry we'll catch you next time
47:45on another edition of straight out of flushing peace