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00:13Hello and welcome to Gangs All Here. My name is Ryan Sampson. That's our Jets beat writer
00:16Brian Costello, freshly off the plane from Kansas City. There's a lot to talk about on
00:21today's episode. Before we get to any of it, Kaz, how are you doing today, buddy?
00:26All right, Ryan. 345, wake up, 6 a.m. flight from Kansas City. I had a lot of barbecue last
00:35night
00:35too before I went to bed, so sleeping was not easy. So yeah, I'm powering through today.
00:41Get some of the meat sweats going from all the barbecue.
00:46Tell you what, you ever go to Kansas City, Ryan, Q39 is a great, you know, I'm not getting
00:52a paid endorsement here, but man, what a restaurant. Great restaurant.
00:55I love it, man. Give me all the smoked meats. Love barbecue food as well. Kaz, before we
01:01get into the game itself, we have to start with the report this morning of Will McDonald
01:06requesting a trade out of the Jets. What are you hearing and what do you think ultimately
01:11happens with Will as the trade deadline is tomorrow at four o'clock?
01:15Yeah, look, this has been brewing for a while. Will hasn't been happy for a while. I think
01:20it's been clear. His role has been reduced. It was clear in training camp, Ryan. When
01:24we show up in training camp, you know, we're not allowed to report depth chart stuff in
01:29training camp, but he was with the third team the first week of training camp, and it
01:32was like, okay, something's going on here. He never really fit Aaron Glenn's system,
01:38felt like. So yeah, he's finally at the point he requested a trade. I talked to a source
01:43this morning about it. You know, he's trying to handle this with the coaches. They've tried
01:48to have conversations, you know, with the Jets, with the front office, with the coaches,
01:54and nothing's being resolved. You know, he feels like he's kind of been playing when they
02:00need him in terms of injuries. Obviously, Joseph Osai's been hurt for most of the season,
02:05and Imbari missed a game. David Bailey missed a game, and whenever that's happened, Will has
02:10kind of stepped in, and then he goes back to 23 snaps a game when the guy comes back, and
02:15at some point, Osai is going to return, and his role is going to be reduced again. So
02:21you know, I think he wants to go somewhere where he can play. Obviously, these guys have
02:25a finite number of years to play football, and he wants to go somewhere where he's going
02:30to be used, and so I understand it. The Jets have been pretty steadfast. I mean, he was a
02:35guy people asked about last year at the trade deadline. The Jets said no. He was a guy people
02:39asked about during the offseason, and the Jets said no. He's a guy people have been asking
02:43about in recent weeks, and the Jets have said no. Does this change anything? I'm not
02:47sure. You know, I think it's going to be an interesting next 28 hours we have to the deadline.
02:56Aaron Glenn this morning said Will's not going anywhere, so that's clearly what they're
02:59thinking right now. Now, does a team come out of the blue today or tomorrow and offer
03:04them something that they don't see coming, like, you know, a second-round pick or something
03:08like that? Then maybe they're singing a different song, and
03:13maybe they make a move, but I think it's going to be interesting to watch what happens
03:18here in the next 24, 28 hours.
03:21Yeah, to what you're saying, Kaz, Aaron Glenn said we're in the business of keeping good
03:24players, and...
03:25Yeah, I'm a little tired of that line, Ryan, because this team traded away
03:28Sauce Gardner and Quentin Williams last year, so, like, it's a lot easier to say that if you
03:32didn't just trade your two best defensive players last year, and I'm not criticizing those
03:35trades. They've obviously looked out great. I understand why they made them, but stop saying that
03:38line is my, like, stop. No, you showed you will trade good players if you get the compensation,
03:45you know, get compensation for them that you desire, and that's the way that NFL franchise
03:49should operate, so I'm a little just tired of hearing, yeah, we don't trade good players.
03:53I thought what was interesting, though, this morning is he also said, you know, look, things
03:57can change, you know, like, I'm not going to say anything's finite or definite that we're
04:02not going to trade Will, and then anything can happen.
04:04Well, I didn't say about Will. He kind of said that overall about the trade guy.
04:07Right, but I think, yeah, so that's where I would follow up with you.
04:11Will, he was pretty definitive. He said, Will's not, Will's going to be here.
04:14Well, it's funny, like, you just mentioned, 23 snaps yesterday of a possible 65. He's a
04:19rotational player at best right now. They are thin at the edge spot, but they're clearly not putting
04:24him in spots to be using his best tool as a pass rusher. He only rushed a passer on 14
04:30out of 23
04:31snaps that he played yesterday, so you're not using him every down when he is playing to be a pass
04:35rusher,
04:36and, you know, he's trying to say, like, you know, we used him in different spots.
04:40I, like, he talked about interior rush. He only used them once or twice on an interior rush slash twist,
04:45so that was a lie in itself right there, and I just don't think Aaron Glenn is being very truthful
04:49in these spots when you guys do press him on these questions. In your estimation and everything you're
04:55hearing, do you think at the end of the day, tomorrow, four o'clock, Will McDonald gets traded or not?
05:02Oh, that's tough, Ryan. I mean, they've been pretty adamant that they're not going to trade him,
05:08so I'm inclined to say no, but I just don't know how contentious it is right now between Will and
05:13the
05:13team. How far is he willing to go to try to force their hand? Will's not a guy who I
05:20think can be
05:20disruptive. Like, it's just not his nature, but do the conversations between his representatives and
05:28the Jets get that way? And again, does Mouji get a call from a team now that says, you know,
05:35I mean, I think Will's value is probably low right now compared to where it was in the offseason,
05:41but can he get something for him? Mouji's shown he's good at this. He's good at working out deals,
05:47so maybe they find something. So I'm really, I'm 50-50, right, whether he's going to be here,
05:52because they've been so adamant that they're not going to trade him. Be surprising to me,
05:57but again, maybe they get something that they can't say no to.
06:01And look, there's no defending Aaron Glenn as a head coach anymore, and we can get into the game
06:07tactics and his coaching style and all that, and it is what it is. But I do have to bring
06:15up when he
06:16did talk to you guys last year as his first year as head coach, and you had all asked him
06:21about what's
06:21Will McDonald's role? Like, what do you expect to use him? Has he reached his full potential here? Can you
06:26get
06:26him to reach his full potential? He said, it's coaching. It's coaching. I can get it out of him.
06:31So doesn't that speak even more to Aaron Glenn not being able to use Will McDonald to the best of
06:37his abilities here? Yeah, it was a stupid answer at the time, and it's a stupid answer now. Like,
06:44it was a shot at Robert Sala. That one was completely unnecessary. I thought the penalties one
06:49was bad, but that one was really unnecessary. Like, when we all had 10 and a half sacks in a
06:55year with
06:55Sala and Jeff Ulbrich, and he had potential the year before that as well. So yeah, I feel like Raya
07:05with
07:05Will, there's a disconnect between the coaches in the front office, because the front office is so adamant about
07:10not trading him, that clearly they see they have an athlete there who can rush the passer.
07:16But the coaches don't seem interested in using him. So, like, Raya, if you're not going to, if he's a
07:22rotational player that's playing 23 snaps, and he's going to make $13.8 million next year,
07:29why wouldn't you trade him, even if it's a fifth round pick at this point, just to get him off
07:33the
07:33books? Like, why would you want a rotational player on your books for that much money? So it tells me,
07:40like, the front office thinks he should be playing more than he is, but the coaches just,
07:44for whatever reason, are not playing him. That's interesting stuff there, Kaz. And we'll see
07:49what happens, like you said, over the next 28, 30 hours, if Will McDonald's still a New York Jet.
07:54In terms of the rest of the trade deadline, again, what is your sense on how this team,
08:00what Aaron Glenn's saying, what you think the front office is leaning, do they make any deals
08:05whatsoever? Are they going to continue to stand by the pact of,
08:09we're not interested in trading away our players this year?
08:12Yeah, I think if they make any right, it's going to be a minor, you know,
08:15Nashawn Wright for a 2028 seventh round pick type of deal, right? Jarvis Brownlee played two snaps
08:22yesterday. They made the switch to Ponds, Funga, that we've been waiting for. So do they flip
08:27Brownlee for a day three pick? You know, stuff like that. Nothing that's going to move the needle,
08:32nothing with Brees or Garrett or anybody else that's been rumored out there. Will's kind of
08:37the wild card on this, but I think it's going to be a pretty quiet trade deadline for them overall.
08:42And do you think that's a smart decision for this roster still, like what you had told me last week
08:47of they need to keep this roster somewhat competitive with the players? Yeah. And you
09:02I, what I've seen from Braylon, I think he could be the lead back and I would probably go that
09:07way.
09:10But yeah, I understand if they're not getting that offer, hang on to Brees and Brees is a good
09:15player too. So yeah, I think everything is about next year, right? Right. And who that,
09:22who they're going to draft that quarterback. We all assume they're going to draft a quarterback.
09:26That guy can't walk into what Sam Donald walked into or what Zach Wilson walked into where his
09:32best receivers aren't that good. He doesn't really have a good offensive line. Like this,
09:36this feels like if you look at it, if you're starting to go, okay, what do they need in the
09:40off season? They need to find that quarterback. They maybe can upgrade at center. I would say
09:46on the offense. Other than that, offensively, I don't think there's a lot of priorities. I think
09:52it's defense, defense, defense that they have to fix. So, uh, I, I wouldn't be trading away
09:58those, those players right now. I completely agree with you. I, I, I would be more apt to,
10:05Hey, Brees hall. He's a luxury at this point. If there are teams out there willing to give us a
10:10day to pick, let's make the deal. Because like you said, Braille and Allen look like one of the
10:14best running backs in football the last four weeks. And let's get into yesterday's game because
10:19wow. Yeah. Uh, there you go. Good transition. Yeah. Look, let's start with that running back
10:25rotation. They only ran the ball twice in the second half. They went completely away from it.
10:30The jets offense was not good in the red zone. Again, settling for field goals cause
10:33how are you looking at this game overall? Now that you are 36, you know, less than 24 hours
10:39removed from the game. Um, what I expected, right? Like, uh, you know, it's, it's what I think I
10:47picked on the show last week, 35, 17, I was off by five points. Like it was what I expected.
10:52It's
10:53the same stuff we've seen from them. Um, the, you know, you just knew the first drive was awesome.
11:00Like it was like, Holy cow. They're marching down the field there. They use breeze. They use Braylon.
11:04They either Cooper, they use Sadiq. It was like, wow, they're throwing all over the place.
11:08They even threw to Mitchell. He didn't catch it, but they threw to Mitchell. Like
11:11they were really getting everyone involved. It was like, this looked like a freaking good
11:15offense. Like they held the ball for seven minutes, I think. And then they get to the
11:19five yard line and you know, the same stuff. They, they just stall out and they kick the
11:25field goal. And then it's field goal after field, after field goal, you know, that was
11:29going to bite them. Um, and it did. Yeah. The running, I think they ran four times in the
11:33second half. I think they each had two carries. Breece and Braylon had two carries each in the
11:37second half, but I don't know why they got away from it so quick. Again, these like,
11:41oh, we were down, you were down by nine points. And in my mind, they really weren't hitting
11:47explosive plays in the past game yesterday. Gino tried with that one to 80 Mitchell that
11:51he dropped. But other than that, they weren't really getting the ball downfield. It felt
11:55like to me, Breece was very close to breaking one. And we've seen Braylon break them.
11:59Like you're almost as explosive running the ball as you are passing the ball on a day like
12:03yesterday. So, and it keeps the defense a little off balance. Like they were just
12:08pinning their ears back and teeing off on Gino. So I thought they got away from the run
12:11too soon. Um, you know, and it's the same story offensively that we've seen that they,
12:19they move the ball, move the ball, and then they don't capitalize. Like the, the, the biggest
12:25thing to me, Ryan of like watching that game yesterday was like, this is, this is a bad
12:31team. And the chiefs are a good team was the chiefs. Justin Fields comes in, sneaks, fumbles
12:38it, gives you the ball, the flipping around the 30. The jets go three, three plays and
12:45kick a field goal. Um, David Bailey crushes Patrick Mahomes, gives the ball in, in chiefs
12:52territory. They end up missing a field goal there. The chief Braylon Allen fumbles. The
13:00chiefs take two plays to score a touchdown. Like the chiefs made the jets pay for a mistake
13:05and the jets never make a team. They don't make teams pay for their mistakes. And that's
13:11like, that to me was a stark difference of like, this is what good teams do is like, if
13:15you, if you fumble at your own 20, you're screwed because they're going to get, they're
13:20going to get in the end zone. And then the jets, it was like, eh, okay. Great play by
13:24Bailey kills my homes. They get the ball and they get no points out of it. So, um, the
13:32jets just are a bad team right now doing bad things. And then defense is complete mess.
13:38And to what you're saying, the jets finally won a turnover battle yesterday, but they still
13:43can't capitalize. Like you're saying, converting them into actual touchdowns. Uh, what did you
13:49make though of the rotation between hall and Allen? Did you have any issue with the way
13:53that that was, that was being used yesterday?
13:56I mean, Allen actually got more snaps than Brees, but Brees got, I mean, it was what I expected.
14:02I think I was, I think I said seven, seven and he had eight. Right. So it's what I expected.
14:09It's like, it's this mentality of Brees is the starter. He doesn't lose his job because
14:14he got injured. And it's very old school. They're like Frank Reich and Aaron Glenn are old
14:18school dudes. They're not going to do that. So, um, I thought early on, I thought it was
14:25a nice mix. And then it seemed, they got away from Braylon. Um, once he, once he fumbled,
14:30they, they, they made him pay for it, obviously make him sit, but he kind of just, yeah.
14:35Didn't get the ball. I'd like to see more 50, 50 split. Right. Honestly, I think that's
14:39what you do. Brees was running well. So I don't think it was like, Oh, put Brees on ice. Like
14:43I thought he was running the ball pretty well, but it just, uh, yeah, I think he, I think
14:48he needed to go more 50, 50. And, and on the part that you're talking about where it's
14:52the same old stuff every single week with this jets offense, being able to move the ball
14:55well between the twenties. And then once they get close to that red zone, it just becomes
14:58really frustrating for the offense to operate it. Cause I just wonder the play calling again.
15:04It's just, it's, it's, it's not creative. It's not smart. Like they don't target Mason Taylor
15:11in the red zone. They don't target Kenyan Sadiq in the red zone. Like are we overreacting
15:18to these things just because we're so close to it all the time? Or is it's like, it felt
15:22like even JJ were like, what the hell are they doing in the red zone? They can't convert.
15:28I think what's frustrating is that you've seen them do it sometimes go back to the first drive
15:33of the season. Sadiq end around, right? Like, where's that gone? Or you can't run an end
15:39around all the time, but like fake off the end around, like they should be doing like adding
15:43onto that play and using it. And then, uh, I can't remember which game it was where Omar
15:48Cooper came out of the backfield running back. That was against the dolphins where he scored
15:53that. That was a nice play. That was a really nice play design by Frank Reich. Like where,
15:57but so like, can't you, if you're not gonna run that play again, can you do something off
16:02of that? That's just different. That's similar to that. And, and, um, there it's just like,
16:08like they come out and back shoulder to AD run the ball for a one yard loss, sail the
16:14audience on a third down. Like it's just straight like drop back passes. By the way, he had Isaiah
16:18Williams open. I looked, I watched the film again on that first drive. Williams is a walk
16:23in touchdown. He beat his corner into the inside. The safety was way too far back in the end
16:28zone. And Gino's looking right at him. I just don't like the missed opportunities. They're
16:32just like, I, I, I can't explain that. And then like, I go like the chiefs, right?
16:40They, their first touchdown, the one where Kenneth Walker is wide open. Like you watch
16:44the play design and you're like, cause at first you're like, wow, why is he wide
16:47open? Then you watch the replay. You're like, oh, they had three guys on the left who all
16:52went to the right. So the safeties were all flowing that way. Then they basically ran
16:56into the linebackers almost, like almost caused the pick play. The linebackers get caught
17:00in the wash and Kenny Walker is wide open. So it's like, that's an Andrew Reed touchdown.
17:04He designed that play and it worked perfectly. Like the, you just need that stuff in the red
17:10zone and the Jets feels like they go so basic, like basic drop back passes, uh, run up the
17:17middle stuff. Um, you just, just like, yeah, I like to see a little, it doesn't have to be
17:22a double reverse pass, but you just want to see them design more plays where you're like,
17:28Oh wow. That's a good play design. And they've done it a few times this year. Like I mentioned,
17:31it's just not consistently. And I was thinking about this, right? I don't know how much you
17:36fly, right? But I fly frequently, obviously with this job. And one of the most frustrating
17:42things for me is like your flight, it's amazing. Air travel is amazing when you think about it,
17:48right? I get from Kansas city to Newark and New Jersey in two and a half hours. And then you'll,
17:57land on the tarmac in Newark and I go, the gate's not ready. So you're like, you're looking out the
18:02window and you can see the airport. You're ready to go. You're ready to go home. Then you get to
18:06the
18:07gate. We got to the gate today. Uh, the bridge, the jet bridge was driven, uh, incorrectly and it's
18:15not lined up with the door. We have to start all over again. Like, this is like the Jets offense.
18:20You get there, you get there. You're seeing the freaking end zone. You're there. You're right
18:24there. You're right there on the five yard line and you can't get it in. So it's just, I've never
18:29seen anything like it, right? With this and with this team and how there's such flashes of good
18:34offense and then nothing. It's one step forward, two step back. It feels like that's been the
18:38mentality and ultimately the execution of this team all season long. Cause I I'm curious what you
18:44think about this. Do you think that there's just cause everyone else is talking about on social
18:49media. There's so much talent on this jets team, especially on the offense. They are just not
18:55getting the proper execution and results because of the coaching. Do you blame that on the coaching
19:00or do you blame it more on the players? Uh, I think it's a combination and, and to be clear,
19:06right, the talent is on offense outside of David Bailey. Oh yeah. He's talented. The rest of the
19:14talent that the offense has talent. What the offense has is young talent. Right. And so they're
19:19just, I would put Garrett and Brees in a different category. They're experienced. Right. So they,
19:25they, but these other guys are still learning on the job. Omar Cooper is barely played. Uh,
19:31Kenyon Sadiq is, is learning on the job. Uh, even 80 Mitchell. He's like, he's played,
19:38but he hasn't had, he doesn't have a lot of experience. He hasn't played a ton of games yet. So
19:43I think that's part of it is just the consistency isn't there with the younger players. Mason Taylor,
19:50I'll throw in there as well. Um, but clearly the, the coaching is part of this. And again,
19:57you look across town at what's happening with John Harbaugh and like coaching makes a difference
20:02and coaching is that, you know, when there's, there's things in the margins, red zone, third downs,
20:11two minute drills. That's, that's where you see the coaching. Like some of the years when you guys
20:16were screaming about coaches, whether it was Todd Bowles or Adam Gase, or early on Robert Sala,
20:23that wasn't talent on those teams. It was like, you're looking at it. You're like, you're screaming,
20:26the guy, the guy's, you know, number one receiver is Deontay Burnett. Like what, what is he supposed to
20:31do? Like they, they, they're counting on, uh, who is the guy they brought in from the Buccaneers?
20:38Uh, Perriman, Perriman, Rashad Perriman. Yeah. Like they're counting on Rashad Perriman as a number
20:42one wide receiver. Like, no, uh, no, it's not going to work. So yeah, like coaching, I think,
20:49comes into it when it's just pushing that over the, over the top. I do think in fairness to the
20:54coaches,
20:54there are some, some guys here are still learning things and Gino has been good, but he's just,
21:01he's got such limitations, Ryan, because of his mobility. Like I look today, he doesn't lead the
21:07league in sacks. He's thinking he's third, but he leads the league in sack yardage. Like,
21:13it feels like he's always losing like 10 yards on a sack. Yeah. And it's always on down too.
21:18It's brutal. Yes. It's brutal. Um, I want to switch to the defense
21:24because there's a lot of discourse again, amongst the fans on that. The, the Jets defense
21:29gave up yesterday in the second half, Aaron gave up. I've seen that. And Aaron Glenn said,
21:34I will never question a player's, uh, effort on the second half.
21:39What did you see yesterday from that Jets defense? Yeah. Effort is a tricky word, right?
21:45Yeah. Um, I, I don't like, I'm not one of the question players efforts either. I, I don't think,
21:50I don't think NFL players quit necessarily, but I think what happens is you just get bloodied
21:57and beaten and you start to weaken. Um, and I think that can look like quitting on film.
22:03Uh, so to me, it's the Jets just got the crap beat out of them yesterday. And by the end
22:08of that
22:09game, the defense just had nothing left. I don't think it's like, they're going to ask for it. I
22:19think it was like, if you're in a boxing match and you're just taking blow after blow after blow
22:24after blow by the 10th round, it's hard for you to get your hands up anymore. And I think that
22:29was
22:29the Jets yesterday. I think it was just hard for them to defend, uh, because they just got bludgeoned
22:35by a really good team. Um, so that that's my take on it. Uh, I just, I don't, I've never
22:42watched a
22:43game and thought people quit. I just, I don't know. I don't, I don't believe in that really.
22:48Well, one of their highest paid players, uh, was the worst graded defensive player according
22:53to PFF and Demario Davis yesterday on all the defense. Was he really? Yeah. He was at 28.1
22:58grade according to pro football focus. Uh, age, age is always a factor here cause because age comes
23:05for everyone. And you start to wonder it, did the Jets make a smart investment by bringing him in?
23:11Because I know he was brought in for his leadership. The play we all knew was going to be solid
23:16to maybe,
23:16maybe somewhat below average, but it feels like it's really dropped off these last couple of weeks.
23:22What was the breakdown of a run versus pass? Because I thought he was good against the run.
23:27And I think, and I think all season, he's been pretty good against the run.
23:30So the, uh, the run grade, he had a 41, uh, PFF grade against the run. That was the third
23:38lowest
23:38on the team yesterday. Okay. So I haven't watched the film yet, but watching live, I didn't,
23:43he didn't jump out to me as a problem against the run. He, I thought the chiefs would be an
23:48issue
23:48for him because they have two running backs that can catch the ball. Now they ended up not really
23:53going to the rookie. He even ended up playing at the end of the game. He didn't, he had 130
23:57yards
23:57against the Broncos and then didn't really play yesterday. But Kenneth Walker early on, they were
24:01throwing him a ton. Obviously we know what Travis Kelsey can do. So those are linebacker assignments,
24:06you know, tight ends and running backs. So I had a feeling it'd be a rough day for him, uh,
24:11in coverage.
24:12You know, I'd have to go back and watch the runs. I know he got, I saw the screen,
24:17the touchdown by Kenneth Walker. It looked like he kind of got washed out there.
24:21He was the lowest graded defender in pass coverage yesterday too.
24:25Yeah. That's the risk you take, right? With an older guy, they wanted his leadership at some point,
24:31you know, father time is going to win and you're going to drop off. And I definitely think he's dropped
24:35off.
24:36Uh, I still think he can play okay against the run. I think you're going to have a tough time
24:42when you get teams that like to throw to running backs and tight ends though.
24:45It's going to be a long days for the Jets. Ultimately, who would you blame then for
24:50signing someone like Demario Davis? Is this an Aaron Glenn or Darren Mugi,
24:54or they both deserve the blame here for, for getting this. Yeah.
24:58They share. Cause in fairness, right. I think I brought this up before here.
25:03Darren, there was a point like in this off season where I felt like every move Jets fans
25:06liked got Darren Mugi got credit for and anything they didn't like it was Aaron Glenn.
25:10It was, it's both of them. Now, clearly Aaron Glenn's fingerprints are on signed Demario Davis.
25:15They were together in new Orleans. That was something he wanted, but, but Mugi went along with it.
25:20Like, you know, Mugi, we can't just give Mugi credit for the things that have worked out.
25:26Well, not many of these signings have worked out to be honest with you, but, um, yeah,
25:31they both share, I think. And, uh, looking at the defensive moves, it's hard to praise any of them.
25:39I guess sweat played well before he got hurt. Uh, he was playing okay, but you know, Minka doesn't look
25:45good. He's another one. And he, he looks old to me. Um, oh, so I can't get on the field
25:51and the bar is
25:52okay. Um, but they're paying him a lot of money. Yeah. Yeah. So it's hard, hard to get excited about
25:58any of these moves. I mean, it speaks volumes when your best player on the field yesterday,
26:02defensively was your rookie or number two overall pick. Like, and I was saying this to Frankie
26:06yesterday. Like, it's amazing what we're seeing for David Bailey. And I want to hear your take on
26:10him, but it also speaks to me, the state of this defense, your number two overall pick on defense
26:15should not be your best player right away like that. Like it, and I mean that like, that's the state
26:20of the NFL. Like you want those guys to make impacts for you when you make early picks like that,
26:24but you also want them to, to learn and slowly progress their way into the NFL.
26:29The jets defense is that awful though. Like they don't have any high impact players. You've said
26:34it before on this, on this podcast, many times, there's just no high impact players in this defense,
26:38but let's talk about the one guy that was making an impact. David Bailey, another two sacks yesterday,
26:43another two forced fumbles. He's putting up numbers cause that only Julius Peppers has put up in his
26:47career in terms of first eight games in his career. What are you seeing from the kid?
26:52Yeah. I mean, he was relentless yesterday, especially the first half. I thought the
26:56second half, the chief started running the ball a little bit more kind of, you know, took, took
27:00that away. And it might've been because of David Bailey, because he was, he was, you know, he hurt
27:05my homes. I can't believe my homes got back in that game the way he looked, but yeah, he's had
27:11a much
27:12quicker impact than I anticipated. Ryan, I tried to talk you guys down from the like double digit sack
27:17expectations in the off season. Cause I didn't think we're going to do that. I mean, I'll be shocked if
27:21he
27:21doesn't have double digit six sacks. Now he's got seven and a half with eight games left. So I, I
27:27think
27:27he's going to definitely have double digit sacks. Yeah. He is an elite pass rusher. And I know I've seen
27:34on Twitter, it's become a fun to dissect every aspect of his game. Like, don't worry about the other
27:39stuff. Like he'll, he can learn how to get better at that stuff. Like this is like, you know,
27:45complaining about Rebus is tackling to me. That's not what, what they drafted him for.
27:51They drafted him to affect the quarterback. He's affecting the quarterback. Like that it's great.
27:56And, and both things can be true. David Bailey can be really good. And Arbel Reese can be really
28:01good. And let's, let's hope we have two good, young defensive players in New York that we get
28:06to watch for the next 10 years. That'll be fun. Absolutely. And you know, I, I, I just, I don't
28:12understand why that has to be the discourse today is like, Oh, you know, yeah, they're
28:17going to get compared forever, but just enjoy what you have with Bailey. And the run, like
28:23I thought called Dunbar's answer this summer was like, yeah, we drafted in the rush, the
28:26passer. I'm not really worried about how he's against the run. I thought that was good.
28:30And the jets have to get people two things. Like you just have to get people around him
28:35that are better against the run. Right. To help, to help that aspect, that linebacker and defensive
28:41tackle specifically, they need better players next year and he will develop over time. I
28:47think, you know, he's going to, as he gets more and more comfortable in the NFL, he can
28:51add more things to his bag of tricks and you know, he'll, he'll get back. He's shown flashes
28:55against the run too. He, it's not like he's a disaster against the run to me. So I think
29:01that pick looks really, really good right now. And it's going to be fun to watch to see
29:06how he develops. I mean, he's to me, he's the one bright spot off of yesterday that you
29:10can take. No doubt cause. And you're spot on on everything you just said there. The
29:14kid is making a high impact, especially in the, against the past teams know they have
29:19to chip him now. Even when they leave him on an Island, he's, he's taking advantage
29:22of those matchups. He, the chiefs could not block him yesterday. He should have had
29:26three sacks yesterday when he had my homes wrapped up. I would love to see him
29:28finish. Yeah. Like that's how great he was yesterday and rushing the passer and the
29:33second half, they just kept running the ball and they try to run away from him too.
29:36Uh, cause final thoughts here, man, as we head into a week against the bills before the,
29:41before the, you know, lighter matchups, but you really can't say that with this jets team.
29:46Uh, it Aaron Glenn's answers yesterday were very scrutinized in terms of, Hey, what were
29:52the adjustments or things you saw in the second half where your team really let down what,
29:56what, what they were doing? Um, is this coach just like he's, he just going through it and
30:03he's trying to get through this season. Like, I don't know what, I don't know what else there
30:08is to say about Aaron Glenn, you know? Yeah. I mean, he's a coach without any answers right
30:13now, Ron, which is a tough spot to be like, he, he does not have fixed this clearly. He would
30:18have fixed it already. Like we're it's November 9th. Like this is, you're supposed to be well
30:25established. The identity of your team by now hitting your stride, you know, making the push for
30:31the playoffs. That's, that's what teams do at this time of year. Not still trying to figure out
30:35what you are. Like, what do they do well defensively? What's their defensive identity?
30:40Like they don't have one. So that's a problem. And he just, I've seen this look many, many times
30:47from coaches, right? Where the job, this job is a big job. I think it's just swallowed Aaron
30:52one hole right now. And yeah, he's going through it. Um, I'm sure he's not sleeping at night,
30:59you know, while he's trying to figure this out. I, he does care, right? He's, I think
31:05he's probably very upset about this. He's not showing it publicly, which I think might
31:11help him if he showed it a little bit more publicly and showed a little more fire. I'd
31:15like to see the defiance that was there last year pop up at some point, but he clearly does
31:20not want that message to his team right now. Uh, and like, you know, they just, oh, I got
31:25to look hard, long and hard for answers. That was what Jeff Ulbrich used to say every
31:29week. And it was, it's just a broken record. Um, they got to win some games, right? That's
31:36all. That's what, that's what Aaron Glenn needs.
31:39Even if he wins like two more games this year, there's no saving him going into next year,
31:43right?
31:44Not saving, but it might just lower the pressure a little bit. I just, the temperature might
31:47get, go down a little bit. And he, the other problem is they just, they look like they're
31:51getting worse on defense. That's not good for him, right? You're a defensive coach and
31:57your defense, they started off pretty strong. Um, and it was, the Packers were one of those
32:03teams they were strong against. So it wasn't like they were just beating up on bad teams.
32:07And now it's been four weeks of, I think it's 140 points, 145 points, something like that.
32:13The last two second halves, they've just been got their doors blown off in the second half.
32:19And yeah. And now here comes Josh. So short week, maybe ride, maybe short week, maybe
32:24they catch the bills on a short week.
32:28No, no, no, not with those defenses.
32:32Well, last week you were getting, last week you were, you probably like the ray of hope
32:36of like, Oh, well the chiefs really haven't beaten some of their teams. And so, right.
32:42It was a, you were trying to give a little shred of hope.
32:45Wasn't I right though? The first half, it would be close.
32:48I mean, the judge should have been, the judge should have been winning in the first half.
32:51If we're being honest, like they look like the better team than the chiefs to start the game,
32:55but then the better coaching staff made the adjustments that have the chief showed up.
32:59Yeah. And they said, Hey, they can't stop the run. They can't cover a tight end. Let's just do
33:05that. It was bizarre how they didn't run the ball in the first half. They got cute. So strange.
33:12They got cute. Yeah, I guess it was so strange. Cause like the jets have, you know,
33:15he can't stop the run and the chiefs have Kenneth Walker. I'm like, wow. I thought he was gonna
33:19have 150 yards yesterday. And I think he could have, if they ran the ball the first half,
33:23because he had 102 yards, he basically didn't play the fourth quarter. So, you know.
33:29Guys, we appreciate you coming on here. We're looking forward to your coverage throughout
33:32the trade deadline and throughout the week, as we see what happens with Will McDonald.
33:35and, uh, we'll catch up with you later this week, man. Thank you. All right, right.