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00:13Hello and welcome to Gangs All Here. This is our Monday episode reviewing the Jets' loss to the
00:17Las Vegas Raiders 38-33. We're here to break it down with our Jets beat writer Brian Costello
00:23as always on a Monday. They fall to 2-6 on the season. Things could not be more bleak
00:29when you look at this Jets team right now, but I am really interested to hear everything caused us to
00:35say. Mr. Costello, how are you doing today, buddy? I'm good, Ryan. How are you? I'm good. I'm good.
00:42It's nice that we are seeing this team put Jets fans in a spot of season's over and now we
00:51can
00:52focus on the draft. A little early, Ryan. I wish they could have given us a little more season.
00:59I don't think you wanted that November 1st. You wanted to feel like the season was over,
01:04right? We talk about the holidays all the time. I was hoping they could get us to Thanksgiving,
01:09you know, and we'd still be talking about, you know, even if it was going to be a long shot
01:15of
01:15it being a season that they could do something. They could at least finish around 500. It'd be
01:21respectable and you'd feel have some hope going into 2027, but yeah, right now it's all about
01:29tank-a-thon. Sure is, especially when the Jets hold three of the top 10 picks currently as it stands
01:35after the games yesterday. And that'll be for future discussions when we get into that, but
01:39we still have to talk about this team and what happened on the field yesterday. Kaz, it's been said
01:44over and over, but this team continues to find new ways to lose football games, even after putting up
01:49over 400 yards of offense and giving up another 300 on defense. And despite scoring sick on the
01:57first six drives of the game, the Jets still lose this one. So now that you are almost 24 hours
02:03removed, how do you view this game? Yeah, inexcusable, Brian, and unbelievable, embarrassing,
02:12all the words you want to use. I mean, for the Jets to score in their first six possessions,
02:18I compared it to seeing Haley's Comet, you know, in my column, because, you know, there's been a lot
02:23of bad football in the last 16 years, but most of it has been bad offense. They've had some good
02:28defenses under Rex, under Bowles, under Salah. There were some good defenses. It's been bad offense.
02:34It's been bad quarterback play. It's been a lack of weapons. It's been bad offensive line.
02:39None of that was the case yesterday. They played well on offense. They could have scored more
02:44touchdowns in the red zone. Like, there's no doubt about that, but this was just an abomination on
02:50defense. And against a Raiders team, that's not that good. Against a Raiders team that you don't
02:56have to be Bill Belichick to figure out that number 89 is where the ball's going, and you got to
03:00take him
03:01away and they didn't do that. You know, it's just hard to fathom that the third down penalties
03:09were brutal. Yeah. Do you agree with his assessment again today? Glenn referenced that in the presser
03:15this morning that the reason they lost is because of third down penalties. They had two of them.
03:19No. Yeah, they had two of them. They were bad. I don't think they're the whole reason they lost.
03:23I don't think that that's the biggest problem on defense right now. I think they don't have
03:26playmakers on defense. That's the biggest thing I look at, especially when David Bailey's not
03:30playing. I think he has the potential to be a playmaker, and he's shown flashes of that this
03:36season. When he's not on the field, you know, there's not much going on. They didn't affect
03:41the quarterback, Carly at all. They're not good in coverage. You know, one interception in the last
03:4625 games is just inconceivable. They didn't even, you know, force the fumbles yesterday that we've
03:53seen them forced in past. So they did pretty good against the run, but I mean, the Raiders are a
03:58bad
03:59running team to begin with, but they, you know, you knew if you're kind of drawing it up on the
04:04board, 89 is their number one target, 87 is the number two target, number four is the number three
04:09target in the passing game, and all of them had big plays against the Jets, and that's just tough,
04:15and I think, right, I know everyone wants to kill Aaron Glenn. I get it, and make the jokes about
04:20the
04:20superpower. They're easy jokes to be made, but the players have to play better too. I mean,
04:26this wasn't just, this wasn't about the play calling to me. This was just about, they don't
04:30have the talent on that side of the ball, and this is kind of what I talked about in the
04:34summer, and
04:35they played pretty well in the beginning of the year. I was surprised, and now I think you're kind
04:40of seeing the real Jets defense. Well, I'll say this, and I read your column this morning on
04:45Sports, Post Sports Plus. You all should be subscribed to that already if you want to follow Kaz
04:48along for his coverage on this Jets team. You know, I agree to an extent about the talent is not
04:54good, and especially when you don't have Tavondre Sweat and David Bailey healthy for that game
04:59yesterday. It impacts you what you want to do, but I still think the fact that they had spent all
05:04that money in the offseason on Demario Davis and Minka Fitzpatrick and Joseph Osai, who wasn't
05:09healthy as well yesterday, and Kings and Ibarri, you'd expect them to be able to bottle and stop
05:16the one thing that you couldn't let beat you, which was Brock Bowers and Mayer, and for some
05:22reason, this Jets team cannot cover the tight end. We saw it now on Dolchich and the tight ends this
05:27week. They killed you. They killed you in the past game, and Kaz, I'm not sure if you'd saw, but
05:32I did
05:33some research after the game yesterday with Frankie in the postgame show. Aaron Glenn's defense in the
05:38last five losses. Do you know how much they're averaging in those five losses? Yeah, I saw you
05:43at the 390 or something like that. 390, Kaz. Yeah. Yeah, I'm not excusing him, Ryan, at all. I do
05:51think
05:52scheme is part of the problem, absolutely, but I think I've seen a lot of people just going,
05:58blasting him, and they're not blasting the players. Like, they paid Demario Davis a lot of money. He's not
06:03playing that well. They're paying Minka Fitzpatrick a lot of money. He is not playing that well. How
06:08about the leadership comments from him yesterday, too? Yeah, we can get into that, but I think if
06:13you really look at, like, if you're sitting there going, all right, who on this team would other
06:20teams want? There's not a lot of guys on the defense that I think other teams would be clamoring
06:25for, right? I just, I don't, I don't see it, and I think, you know, Brownlee had pretty good coverage
06:33on Bowers on the first touchdown, and he got made an amazing play. Sherwood, Sherwood clearly messed up
06:39on the touchdown in the third quarter. You know, you saw Glenn getting after him on the sideline. I
06:44think Vilma pointed it out that he should have had Bowers on that play. He drifted too far.
06:48So, yeah, yeah, so there's been mistakes being made by players, but yeah, it's, it's, the blame
06:54can go all around. I just want to remind people that the players deserve some too, not just the
06:59coach. So I hear you on the players part, and then I think my counter would be to you is
07:04if, if the
07:05players should be more, you know, held responsible for these losses, the Jets have lost a lot of one
07:12score games here, Kaz, and, and I, that's where I would turn it a little bit is like, if the
07:17coach had
07:17put these guys in better position, maybe it is comes down to the players just not making the
07:21plays, but do you think the coach should still be responsible? The fact that the Jets have lost
07:26now, was it five, six, one score games now this year already? Yeah. I think there's blame to go
07:32around. I think the coach definitely deserves some of it. I think, you know, the, the issues wasn't an
07:37issue this week, but obviously the two minute issues we've seen are on the coach. I think red zone
07:42issues fall on the coach in some regards. I think third down issues fall on the coach in some
07:47regards. So yeah, I'm not excusing him at all. Like they, and I'm not saying that. I just think
07:53sometimes we get a little bit lost because it's easy to blame the coach and it's harder to blame
07:59all the players. And it's hard because we don't know exactly what we're looking at in terms of
08:04what their, their responsibilities are and things, but you know, how many times, you know, Brandon
08:09Stevens can call for holding in the end zone. Um, Brownlee had issues yesterday.
08:14AZ Thomas gave up the touchdown to, uh, AZ Thomas, to Jalen Naylor, where he just, it was third and
08:19goal. If there's any play where he cannot take off, it's third and goal at the two yard line.
08:24I don't think he took the play. I think tough people questioning his effort. I'm wondering
08:27was because Brownlee was kind of underneath there. Do you think Brownlee was going to drop there? And
08:31like, you know, I wouldn't question a player's effort. So I think he just messed up there. I think he
08:37read it wrong. Some, for some reason he jammed them, seemed like he jammed them and kind of released
08:41them thinking he had help inside and then realized the last second he didn't. But yeah, I mean,
08:45there's, there's very few players on this Jets defense that are playing well right now.
08:49Yeah. And, and the other thing I want to ask you is, is that from a defensive personnel standpoint,
08:56you're, you're, you're, you're limited to what you have on your roster. D'Angelo Ponds,
09:01one play yesterday, one snap on defense and Brownlee was benched last week for disciplinary
09:06reasons for missing team meetings. It seems like, and he went back into the starting lineup yesterday.
09:10I know Ponds is not a slot corner. I got it. But what you've gotten out of Brownlee thus far
09:16has been below average. AZ Thomas and Brandon Stevens are not lockdown corners. Why is D'Angelo
09:24Ponds not playing in these games? Yeah, I don't know. I don't know. And it's a good question. It's
09:30one we need to ask Glenn later in the week. We had, you know, a short one today with him
09:34where we
09:34had to hit a lot of topics, but I think that's a topic for later in the week. Um, you
09:39know,
09:39I would, I'm guessing it's playbook related. Then we're this deep into a season with a rookie,
09:44not playing a second round pick. I have to think he's not picking up the position or the,
09:48or the defense quickly. I do think Brownlee provides a physicality that no one else on
09:54the defense gives them. I thought they missed that last week against the dolphins. It kind
09:57of stood out to me that they didn't have the violence that Brownlee brings. And I'm sure coaches
10:04like that. I'm sure that that that's what they like about Brownlee. Now that comes with coverage
10:08issues and that comes with penalty issues because he gets those, but yeah, I'm with
10:13you. I'd like to see more ponds. I'd like to figure out a way to get him in there. And
10:17I know like cornerback is a position where the guys, if there's 70 plays in the game,
10:21the guy plays 70 plays. I don't think that's a rule though, Ryan, like, right. Like, can
10:26we, I don't know, maybe slip them in there for Brandon Stevens on a series, or maybe slip
10:31them in there for AZ Thomas on a series and let's see what he can do. I think you're reaching
10:35that point of the season now where you need to start thinking about evaluation for 2027.
10:42Yeah, certainly have to. And, and I think, you know, the question is on Woody Johnson
10:47of how you're going to evaluate this coach now, who is unfortunately five and 20 in his
10:52first 25 games cause the wins are just not there. I'm sure you've seen the PFF wins over
10:58expected. The jets are last. They have, they're expected to win more games than what they currently
11:03are compared to their PFF grade on the field. Um, how, how do you think Woody? Cause I saw
11:09your column on this too. How do you think Woody Johnson is feeling right now watching this field,
11:15this product on the field and another loss to a team that was in their weight class? Like
11:20you said. Yeah. I, he can't be happy. Right. I saw him briefly after the game, getting into
11:24a golf cart to be taken, uh, you know, away from the locker room to his car or whatever to
11:29a helicopter. I don't know where he was going, but he, he, he was in a, he was in a
11:33golf cart.
11:34Um, he can't be happy. I mean, I don't know how much it translated on TV, Ryan, but the,
11:42the way the Raiders fans took the building over yesterday was crazy. And like, it's something
11:47you see from the Steelers or the Cowboys and no one really else. And I mean, Olu jumping
11:53because the crowd noise was pretty crazy. So that's humiliating. I'm sure Woody wasn't
12:00happy with that. You know, he, he, he can't be happy right now. I obviously we haven't heard
12:05from him or anything, but I think he's got to be incredibly frustrated and you know, he
12:11tried, he's tried all these different ways to hire coaches and nothing's worked. So I imagine
12:17he's extremely frustrated right now.
12:19I hear him. He, I hear you that he could be frustrated about this. And I think, you
12:24know, where I'm going with this, we're frustrated to just as well. And I think that's why fans
12:28are not going to show up to the stadium to buy the product, to watch the product. Cause
12:31why would I spend my hard earned money to watch a team just that continues to find new ways
12:37to lose football games and a coach that just does not seem to understand how to win football
12:41games. And that's ultimately what's going to be the, the indictment for him, uh, and his
12:45career cause because I heard, you know, him respond today about the wins are really, what's
12:51going to ultimately determine your, your, how long you can be a coach here in the league.
12:55And I think it's a, it's a weird tone from yesterday after the game. And I'm curious to
13:01hear you, you discuss this to, to point out that you thought the good things you did yesterday
13:06is you handled the end of end of first half situation. And, and, and Frances had a great
13:11rant on it. It's like, those are elementary things that we criticize you on because you can't
13:15handle them. And you're coming out and saying, that's a positive after you're off, your defense
13:20gave up almost 350 yards again, and you blew a big lead in that game. I don't know. Cause
13:26it just feels very off with him. Yeah. I've been shocked at how he kind of doesn't have
13:32a feel for what people want to hear after games. Cause, um, and also right. I wrote this in
13:39my, my rewind that I do on some, on Monday mornings, you know, last year he was so defiant
13:45and I know he got criticized for that. I get it, but I don't know. I'd like to see a
13:50little
13:50bit of that right now. Like, you know, he, he seems to have kind of accepted that this
13:56is how it's going. And, um, you'd like that. Like Rex was very good at this. Rex would come
14:03out after bad losses and swear and curse. And, you know, he wouldn't call guys out, but he would
14:09kind of just promise to fix it. But he wasn't, it wasn't as Pollyanna as it's coming across from
14:14Glenn. And, uh, I think I'd like to see a little fire from him after a loss like that. I'd
14:20like to
14:20see him be pissed off that they lost that game. Uh, and yeah, I agree with you. You have to
14:25be
14:25praising, you know, I think the offensive praise is fine. They played pretty well, but I wouldn't
14:31be pointing out all the things we did well in the game that we just lost. Yeah. And combine that
14:35with
14:35the sideline antics we've seen with the referees and the memes that he continuously gives to all of
14:40us Jets fans. When we watch these games, it's just, yeah. I mean, look the sideline stuff, right?
14:47My opinion on that is coaches can't win, right? Like, cause Sala was, Sala was too stoic.
14:53You know, now Glenn is doing too much. It's the bottom line is if you're losing games,
14:58whatever the coach does, pisses you off. Right. So like if the coach, I've never seen a coach
15:03try to give a high five to a, to a referee though. You know what I mean? Yeah. I feel
15:08like I've seen
15:09like quarterbacks do that kind of stuff though. And they get like, they get prey, like holding the
15:13challenge flag like this in front of the referee. I know, but I, I think he should be himself on
15:18the sideline. I think it's fine. I think if he was winning games, you'd be celebrating that stuff.
15:23I think when you're losing games, your sideline behavior becomes, you know, a problem.
15:29It, it, yeah, it does. Um, look, we could, we continue to talk about Glenn and his future,
15:35but I think his, his fate seems sealed at this moment. We can get into that in future episodes.
15:40I want to talk about the offense with you because yesterday it exploded. They had a ton of explosive
15:45plays yesterday. Uh, the most at any, at, in any game this season by any team in the NFL, which
15:51is
15:51crazy. Um, what did you make of this offense and, and what are you most looking forward to seeing as
15:58it goes forward here? Yeah. I want to know how much it had to do with the Raiders. Yeah. Right.
16:03Cause I think if you, you trash the Jets talent on defense, the Raiders have Max Crosby and then
16:12who's their second best player on defense. I don't know. Kobe Dean, maybe. I don't know. Like
16:16it's, it's not great. So not to take anything away from the Jets. They took care of business. They
16:20did what they had to do, but I'm curious how much of that had to do with the Raiders yesterday.
16:24Can
16:24they do that against teams with better defenses, uh, down the stretch? Can they get it going? But
16:29I, I mean, look, another great performance from Braylon Allen, great performance from
16:34Mitchell. They got Garrett involved. Uh, I thought Gino played well until that last, you
16:40know, that, whatever that Hail Mary thing was at the end of the game. Um, so a lot to build
16:45on there. Two of six in the red zone is where I would go. And you question Glenn not going
16:52forward on fourth and two on the first drive, fourth and three, I think it was the first drive.
16:56Do you question him on the second drive where he kicked it from the 17?
17:00You know, maybe they end up with touchdowns if he goes for those situations and the red
17:04zone numbers look better, but right now they're the worst red zone team in football. Um, so
17:08that's something they got to clean up. Yeah. It clean up. And it's like you said, it's the
17:13worst in football, but like I, we were talking about last week, they have no problem moving
17:17the ball between the twenties. It is when it gets a crunch time by end of the first half
17:21and end of game. And then in the, in tight situations where it's third and short, fourth
17:25and short or in the red zone, they just struggle right now as a unit. And that stinks because
17:30I think you would agree cause they have the personnel on the field. You would think to
17:35win those, those matchups and win those situations. Yeah. And there's a lot of talent on the field
17:41right now. We've seen it. We've seen Sadiq have game. We've seen Cooper have games and
17:45now we've seen Mitchell have games, have a game. So there's, there's a lot of guys. Braylon's
17:49playing excellent. Um, where does that go? You got to figure it out. What's that? Where
17:54does that go with Braylon and Brees? Cause there's two things here. There's two things
17:58to discuss with the Braylon Brees thing. First being if Brees is back this week, how does
18:03he mix in with Braylon? Who's been arguably the best running back in football the last three
18:08weeks? So I'd say this, I think Braylon will get an injury report on Wednesday. Braylon did
18:14not look good to me after the game last night. Uh, he, if you know, he, the one time he
18:19came
18:19up, he left the game, he came back in, I think adrenaline carried him the rest of the way,
18:23but in the locker room, he was moving really slow. It would not shock me if we, uh, we show
18:29up Wednesday and Braylon's not practicing. So maybe he has a reduced role this week. It
18:33frees his back, or maybe he's steak. They hold them out to give him a week to recover. Cause
18:37remember he was dealing with Yanko last week in practice. He didn't practice last Wednesday
18:41egg with the ankle. So they might be able to push it. They might be able to kick the
18:45can down the road for a week. The question to me is do you trade them, uh, Brees being
18:51him, uh, and what can you get for him? What would you move him for? I mean, they just gave
18:56him a contract. So I wouldn't think teams are going to be lining up to just to give them
19:01private, you know, premium picks for him. Uh, so are you willing to trade him for a fourth
19:06round pick? No, I, I think you can get a third for him though. There's enough teams out
19:11there that need running backs. He's under contract. Like you said, I mean, that's the
19:15question. I think the third, I think he, I would agree. I would move him for a third
19:18round pick. I'm not sure you get him for it. I'm not sure you get a third round pick
19:21for him. Um, he's got to play Sunday so teams can see he's healthy, I think in order to move
19:28him. But, um, you would risk the re-injury. I would, I think team, I think if I'm trading
19:34for him, I'm like, Hey, I need to see if this guy can run. Right. No one's seen him run
19:39for five weeks. So I w I want to see that he's okay. That the quad isn't going to be
19:43an issue, you know, taking him. Uh, yeah, I would, I would risk that.
19:47So is it, is it BS on Aaron Glenn's part saying we want to keep our best players or
19:51they actually, you think they could be shot?
19:55I mean, look, they traded sauce and Quinn last year where those, those were pretty good
19:59players. I know sauces that there's, there's a lot of people who don't like sauce right
20:03now, but he was one of the better players and, uh, they got a deal that they couldn't
20:08refuse. So I think it's the same thing. I think if, if someone calls up and gives
20:11them a trade that they feel like is super value for Brees, they, they would have to
20:16do it. Um, anyone else you think that could get moved? Will McDonald had a sack
20:22yesterday. Uh, does he get moved? Do they, do they think about Minka Fitzpatrick
20:28and Demario Davis, the veterans, or is this just going to be a very quiet deadline
20:32for the jets? I don't need to trade Minka or Demario with those contracts, to be
20:36honest with you. Uh, well, it was an interesting one. I think that's the one
20:39that you debate. What, what, what do you get for him? They don't have a lot of depth
20:45at that position. You know, like who knows what's going on? Oh, so I was running on
20:49the side field last week. So maybe he's coming back soon. I would think Bailey
20:52will be okay, but do you, do you risk moving him? That's a decision. That's kind of
20:58like a, where are we going as a team this year decision? Do you want it? Are you still
21:02trying to put your best team out there or are you waving the white flag and saying,
21:08you know, well, I mean, Glenn, Glenn, not going to be like, Hey, let's trade all our
21:12players away. I don't care if we lose them. I mean, there is the fact that you have to
21:16send the message to this. There's 53 guys in the locker room. And last year, the Jets
21:20sent the message. We're giving up. And you saw what that looked like in the last five
21:23weeks. And it's tough. And it's tough on the men. It's tougher guys like Garrett
21:28Wilson or now you're teaching David Bailey that as a rookie, like that we talk about
21:33all the time, the frustration of losing in the Jets locker room. Well, if the
21:37organization tells them, you know, guys were two and six, maybe they're two and
21:42seven after Sunday, we're just going to, we'd rather get that fourth round pick in
21:472028 than compete this year. That's a tough message for guys in the locker room
21:52who are, you're asking them to risk injury every week to play for you. So that's a
21:56decision that the organization has to make and Darren Mugey has to make and, you
22:01know, in concert with it, with Woody Johnson. Well, I think this goes into that
22:04old debate of what's best for the organization right now. I understand what
22:08you're saying with the 53 on the, on the, on the, on the roster. There's a strong
22:13debate. I could fire the head coach right now and be better off the rest of this
22:16year, to be honest with you. So that's one thing from my, my standpoint. And the
22:19other thing I'll say is if Darren Mugey is to be the GM moving forward, I think he
22:24should be the one to make that call of where we are not competing. We're not
22:27going anywhere fast this year with this team. And if I can get a pick back for
22:31one of these players to help set us up for the future. Oh, and at the same time,
22:35it'll help us tank for that top pick, which I know they don't care and they
22:39don't do. And I know that, but at the end of the day, the Jets best, the, what
22:44they're, what's happening right now with this team where they're losing these
22:46close games is probably best for the future of this franchise cause because of
22:50that pick that can get, it can rise higher and higher up the board.
22:54Yeah, I get that part. I think the question is, it's probably a map equation,
22:59Ryan, right? Like if I'm going to give you a fifth round pick for Will
23:04McDonald, that's probably not going to have much impact for you going forward.
23:08Like your fifth round pick is going to be a flyer pick. So is it, is it more
23:12valuable to just keep Will McDonald around now and try to move him in the
23:16off season just so you get through these last weeks with a respectable defense
23:21versus what, like what you had last, like you guys saw it last year, the Brady
23:24cook period of time. I mean, you want to live through that again? No, I hear you,
23:28but they're giving up 390 yards a game. That's not a respectable defense, even
23:31with the players they have on the field right now. Yeah. Yeah. You're going to have
23:36to hope you play better. This is against Kirk Cousins, Malik Willis, uh, uh, who was
23:40the bears quarterback? Uh, I'm blanking now, but like all of these guys that
23:43they're giving up huge games to it's not Patrick Mahomes and Josh Allen, who
23:48you are facing in the next couple of weeks. Yes. Yeah. But they've been
23:52one sport games. Like you're like, it's not, it doesn't think about what it
23:55looked like last year in new Orleans and Jacksonville and against new
23:59England at home and Buffalo up there. Like it doesn't look like that right
24:02now. Uh, they, they, they are in these games are competing. If you start
24:07selling off flyers, you're going to be in a situation where you're giving up
24:13you know, 45 points. Trevor Lawrence is going for seven touchdowns or whatever
24:16he did last year against you. So if you decide that that's what you want
24:21to do. Okay. But like, it's gotta be worth it. I think the sauce and
24:26quitting trades last year were worth it because of the, what, what they got back
24:29was so valuable. And that those are picks that you can turn the franchise
24:32around with. I'm not sure you're doing that for late round picks is my
24:37point. Ultimately, I know you've said over and over here that they're not
24:42going to move on from Aaron Glenn mid season. Have you changed your
24:45thinking at all after yesterday? I haven't, um, you know, how much worse
24:50can it get? It's a dangerous question to ask around the Jets. I mean, two
24:54and eight, two years in a row, if they lose these next two against the
24:57Bills and Chiefs in embarrassing fashion again, I guess, I guess the, the
25:00only like pressure point I see coming up is the bi-week coming up at the
25:04beginning of December that would maybe you do it then and say, all right, is
25:07this, this, let's just put the guy out of his misery and we'll start the
25:11search now. I guess that could happen, but I, I still, I think he's
25:15going to finish the year. Cause, uh, like you said, the beginning of this
25:19today, uh, can't believe we, we haven't even reached Thanksgiving and
25:23Christmas and the season just does not feel like it's going to go in a
25:27positive direction at all this year for the Jets. Um, thank you as always
25:31for hopping on here, giving us your analysis and we're looking forward to
25:34catching up with you later this week, man. All right. Thanks, Ryan.
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