00:00Let's start with our panelists' immediate reaction.
00:03Yesterday you saw the budget, today you read it in all the newspapers.
00:06Mr. Nagri, your immediate reaction after hearing the budget speech,
00:12you saw its coverage in the newspapers.
00:16As a layman, as a common Pakistani, we look at this budget every year.
00:26Your reaction?
00:30Budget is the name of intentions.
00:33Intentions can be anything.
00:35You can write any number, you can declare any number.
00:38But the most important thing is how smart you are in execution.
00:41You are capable of executing those things.
00:44You are capable of recovering the tax that you talk about.
00:48The expenses that you have, will they really be in that amount
00:52or will this money also go somewhere else like always?
00:55And there will be no such work that does not happen in Pakistan.
00:58Your hospitals will not be better, your education will not be better,
01:01your public will not be better.
01:03If you do not improve these things, then you will continue to give a moderate budget
01:08but you cannot improve the situation in this country.
01:10Because this case, I personally think, is not an economic case.
01:17This is a criminal case.
01:18The destruction of our economy is a criminal case.
01:20Because all this money, no matter how much money Pakistan has,
01:23no matter how much money it is, whether it is through the budget to reach the public
01:27or through some other means to reach the public,
01:30it is lost on the way. It does not reach the public.
01:33No matter how much you talk about numbers, no matter how much you talk about mathematics,
01:37no matter how much we talk that the public did not get anything,
01:40the public was not given anything in this budget,
01:42the public has been imposed a moderate tax,
01:44we can talk about the public a hundred times.
01:46But the money that you allocate for the public, if it does not reach the public,
01:51then this is a criminal case.
01:53And the mafias involved in this, it is very important that the first action is taken against them.
01:58You are right.
01:59Viewers, from 2000 onwards, I have passed bills from the National Assembly,
02:04the finance bill, the budget has been passed, it has been covered.
02:07After every budget, the losses, the increase in taxes,
02:10we will do this, we will increase the tax net,
02:12we will put it on hospitals, we will put it on education.
02:14And Mr. Nagvi is 100% right that our educational institutions,
02:17our hospitals, the condition of the roads, the security issues,
02:20where the tax should be imposed,
02:23you can see that the situation is getting worse with every passing year.
02:27Mr. Chaudhary Ghulam Singh, I don't know what your salary is,
02:31I mean, the taxes that have been imposed on these poor people,
02:37have they gone to you?
02:40No, I think they have increased many times,
02:43I don't understand how people will stay alive.
02:47You think this is a joke.
02:50And how many new taxes have been imposed,
02:52do we have to collect 38 billion or what?
02:54Yes, yes.
02:55What you said,
02:5738 billion, not billion, what is the calculation?
03:00No, no, 38 billion.
03:02Yes, yes, 38 billion additional taxes.
03:05Yes, yes.
03:06I mean, this is not a joke.
03:10And what do you want to achieve from this?
03:15Sometimes you follow the IMF, sometimes you create a scene.
03:21I don't think they have anything.
03:24The work that is being done,
03:26that is, to arrange for the rotary employment of big people,
03:30to generate economic activity in the country,
03:34there is no focus on that.
03:37What do they want to say?
03:39I don't understand.
03:40The budget that was given yesterday,
03:42the People's Party is still adamant,
03:44they say we don't agree.
03:46We will talk about this,
03:47what is the view of the People's Party on this?
03:49Hassan, try to find a positive side,
03:52something that you feel is the budget.
03:54I am very happy.
03:55You have been taxed more,
03:57my budget is still there.
03:59People are not understanding,
04:01what I want to ask, you tell me.
04:03The thing is that the IMF has a budget.
04:07Now, despite the IMF having a budget,
04:10the stock exchange gave a very strong rate.
04:14And today, I don't know how many points have gone up.
04:17You know the internationally accepted opinion about the stock exchange.
04:20Sir, let me complete.
04:21I am telling you, it is a joke.
04:23The thing is that the stock exchange responded well.
04:26Now, Mr. Nakvi was saying that
04:28what is the public getting in our budget?
04:32So, Mr. Nakvi, pardon me,
04:34whenever the budget has come to us,
04:36it is not about what the public will get.
04:39The budget is about what will be taken from the public.
04:42Because after that,
04:44you see, according to me,
04:47there are a few departments
04:50that are doing their work well.
04:52Otherwise, our current situation is getting worse.
04:57But you were talking about health and education.
05:00So, health and education has become a provincial subject.
05:03So, these provinces,
05:05how much budget do they allocate for health and education,
05:09this question is going to be more important there.
05:12What are they doing there?
05:14These four provinces,
05:16these four provinces are responsible.
05:18The chief ministers, be it Punjab, Sindh, KP, or Balochistan,
05:22all of them should be focused.
05:24You are right, sir.
05:25The federal government is going in that direction.
05:28The federal government is going in that direction.
05:30It is a surprise that they are saving money and giving it back.
05:32So, we have come to the issue of ICT.
05:34Do you know what the second important thing is?
05:36Because the way the NFC award is,
05:38Wafaaq is facing a lot of difficulties
05:40in paying off his debts,
05:42his pensions, and his salaries.
05:44He is facing a lot of difficulties
05:46in paying off his interests.
05:48Right now, we think that our stomach is also cut.
05:50This time, the inflation that has happened due to the defense,
05:53we were not able to increase the budget to the extent
05:56that was needed.
05:58These are some of the limitations that you have.
06:00Secondly, for crime control,
06:02you should have kept your budget.
06:04We were not able to do that,
06:06but we have increased it a little.
06:08In any case, we should focus more on these areas.
06:10For crime control,
06:12it is more important that
06:14it lags somewhere in my opinion.
06:16Another important aspect of this budget
06:18passed through our eyes.
06:20We worked on it.
06:22We worked on it.
