00:00John Fanta Cleveland's very own now joins us on the wise heart right we make it right call Kyle
00:05Wright hotline hoping for another Fanta ranta here hey John how you doing buddy
00:11tailing green everybody I'm a series premiere I'll never forget Troy and Zanesville
00:17that's always somebody from Zanesville uh let's see here all right so I actually want to start
00:22here because you and I have been I would say simpatico on the Browns and Guardians here we've
00:28had our disagreements with JP I lost my temper earlier today's show because I think ESPN having
00:34the Browns 31st of the 32 teams in their power rankings is ludicrous do you think that's too
00:40high too low just right by ESPN's power rankings feels like it's a little bit too low because I
00:47think that the that there's some intriguing skills position players offensively and I do still think
00:53that this defense is a I'm gonna say a top 12 unit in the in the NFL you know maybe
00:58even better than
00:59that it's hard for me to then put them 31 uh I would probably put them 26 27 range so
01:10it's not like I'm
01:10going crazy but I I think they're better than than than five teams in the national football league
01:17because guys I I do think that that um you know I know it's a bit of a sad debate
01:22to say that but I
01:23do think that they've got playmakers on defense that can make a difference in a game I expect Jared
01:28verse to have a big season and if the secondary stays healthy stays healthy it should be a good
01:34secondary and offensively like if the rookies did what they did last year you got to expect some
01:40progression so I think that's what makes this this quarterback thing so frustrating and we've harped on
01:45this before but like it's not like the roster's devoid of talent they've just wasted some windows
01:50of of of players but I think the Browns are they're in the back 20s but I don't think they're
01:5531 have
01:57you locked in your your preseason win total your expectation yet well it's a good question JP because
02:04I I really uh I hadn't this is the first time that somebody's asked me about that um I will
02:11say
02:12right now that this is a football team that wins I'm gonna say five games I'll say five and 12
02:21and I
02:22admittedly haven't even heard what what you two have said I believe that that would be the under
02:26is the over under still at five and a half for the five and a half yeah I got him
02:30at six wins Nick
02:30started the show at seven he's now moved to eight yeah and in fairness John I I moved to eight
02:36to get
02:38his filth of fence riding at six wins because he's he's acting like this is a big boy play well
02:44Nick
02:44Nick is acting like he's being bold by saying seven wins I said that's not bold there's no no part
02:49of
02:49seven wins is really putting it out there to say you had belief in this team it's a seven win
02:52season
02:52if everyone else is saying five John or six or or four oh we took back to back callers one
02:58said nine
02:59wins and the other one said 13 wins there's people out there that believe in this team we're talking
03:02about media members come on there's teams there are people being insincere and you know it well
03:06the person that had 13 wins needs to go see a doctor I mean I'm all for optimism but seven
03:12wins let me
03:13ask you this question with who at quarterback seven wins with who at quarterback it'll be about two
03:19games of Deshaun probably about 12 or I know the rest of the way I'm going Shador and so just
03:26you
03:26certainly don't have Deshaun Watson winning a game I have not tabulated it but you are probably
03:32correct yes sir see for me that's that to me is the tough part like I I think the lack
03:39of steadiness
03:40that quarterback um is is and and I don't know if is there anyone out there who actually thinks
03:47because I I just don't have the visual in my head if they start Owen two and Watson is what
03:53he's been
03:53is there any world where he is starting week three because if there is one it's going to be one
03:59of the
03:59ugliest scenes in sports history I'm just telling you right now it's not going to be pretty oh you
04:04have been making the case for days now that I think he's going to get eight games uh and the
04:08idea on
04:08that is it's not that it's not what I would do Fanta it's what I think the Browns are going
04:12to do
04:12smile to Fanta ranta I think John I think they needed to be I think they needed to be undeniable
04:18that Houston version of Deshaun is not walking through those doors and so they're going to take
04:22this longer than anybody would ever dream but that would mean so JP by that logic though that
04:30would mean he's winning a couple of games yeah I mean yeah I think he'll there you have you seen
04:35the schedule past week too I mean it's it's really you get some really bad teams in there we play
04:39the
04:39Titans you can even with Deshaun Watson being uh hobbled or not good he can still probably beat the
04:44Titans with this team and so like there's true I mean yeah I think I think he's going to look
04:49bad
04:50but I don't think it's going to be fall down drunk bad I think it's just going to be bad
04:53and there'll
04:54be enough in there where they take it to uh more normal people would say after six games is okay
04:58we've seen enough we're done with this they'll take it to eight because they always take it too far
05:02but I think for them it needs to be undeniable that there is absolutely nothing left in that tank
05:07and two games isn't going to satisfy that for them yeah if if they get embarrassed in Tampa Bay
05:14which is a possibility because Tampa's got a really good roster they've had some off-season drama
05:19with Baker and then Vitavia and and his uh the contract situations there but Tampa Bay's offense
05:26is filled with is filled with weapons and if Baker does what he wants to do and that's sling it
05:32and
05:32and the Browns are back-to-back weeks down in the state of Florida I you know I I don't
05:38love that start
05:39to their schedule I agree with you that it eases up if they get embarrassed and you couple that with
05:44what Watson's done in the pressers it's very hard for me to think that that's a healthy scene
05:51for not only uh Watson but everybody else with Watson and that that's where like I rarely feel
05:58bad for players but I just I'd love to hear from the players um off the record on what they
06:06think
06:06of of all of this we won't we won't but I will say this you put up two stinkers to
06:13start the year
06:15okay eventually somebody cracks whether that's Watson again whether that's the coach who knows
06:22that he's on a let's be real Todd Munkin's on a one year here you know if it if it
06:26bottoms out
06:27oh Fanta you are just trying to enrage Nick now I can't wait until about 10 weeks from now you're
06:35making the case that he's the coach of the year you are trying to enrage Nick Nick Nick for the
06:40record
06:40I like Munkin I just feel that I like Todd Munkin I don't know if the I don't know if
06:48he can
06:49if he's a guy for them you know that's staying past this year I I don't know the answer to
06:56that
06:56question I think there's a world where if he if he breaks which he's already shown signs like
07:04he's gonna say what he feels right guys does he not say what he feels for the most part wait
07:09you
07:10said if he you said if he breaks and he's shown sign in the past of that what sign are
07:13you pointing
07:13to specifically um saying you know he hasn't been afraid to go at reporters I mean he he's called out
07:21some reporters for what he's described as you know bs or I'm not you know he'll say I'm not
07:26going for that you know other coaches do that too right just not Kevin Stefanski that's not
07:31breaking that's just not being Stefanski which I appreciate actually well yeah but will the owner
07:35and will the GM what is that aligned with them I'm saying losing affects people you start to say
07:42the wrong things and you start to say things that don't align with leadership and you start to allude
07:47to the fact that maybe you didn't have full control of the quarterback competition and maybe
07:52there wasn't one I'm just throwing out the hypotheticals then they could choose to remove
07:57you it's not that I don't like Todd Munkin it's not about me I didn't hire Todd Munkin all right
08:02uh the
08:03Browns hired Todd Munkin and if he doesn't align with what they want after 15 games and his football
08:10team through 15 games is 4 and 11 then uh then he could lose his job because Andrew Barry will
08:17convince
08:18the owner you know we should draft a new quarterback and we should bring his coach along with him and
08:24you know let's get somebody that Peyton thinks is fun and let's get arch right I I don't know I
08:31I'm just
08:31all I'm saying is this can change quickly with the Haslams they've they've tried to practice this
08:37patience the only reason why is because their money's been tied up with this QB one they they
08:42they kept Kevin Stefanski for six years including one playoff uh appearance in the last five years
08:51they they have shown in their tenure too though to be quick triggered on certain things yeah like
08:58like eight years ago I I do think I think we're kind of penalizing them for things that they've done
09:04previously I think they've earned a little bit more of a benefit of the doubt recently I mean even
09:09they if they were if this was old school Haslam Barry would have been gone too everybody when
09:14it would have been a completely new building they might have just bulldozed the one they actually
09:18have in the building they are kind of doing that aren't they though like you know they're adding on
09:23they're adding on they're not demolishing that's a renovation that's just HGTV
09:30yeah I mean I mean you you guys also were critical of them keeping the the head coach around the
09:36I don't disagree with your sentiment I just like that you rage Nick on it because there there is
09:41a world where you're 100% right and that other part of that world that exists is them saying
09:45we have the number one overall pick and we'll give you whatever uh whatever hey Mike Tomlin you
09:49want to come off of uh the tv set to go out and coach Arch Manning come on down that
09:53type of thing
09:53you'll have the most boring football team in the planet yeah but guess what Mike Tomlin's not
09:58leaving um he's not leaving to coach the Cleveland Browns I gotta say Fanton 60 broke you
10:05you used to be a real fan John it was a Fanta Ranta for the ages and the Fanta Ranta
10:09broke you
10:10I'm not hearing a fan I'm hearing I'm hearing some national bleep boy coming in here and bleeping
10:17all over the Browns you're talking Munkin getting whacked after 17 games you're you're spouting a lot
10:22of national narratives here John and I'm sensing you're forgetting where you came from a national
10:27bleep boy I I know first off Peter Lynn agrees with me yes that's a problem well you're on the
10:34right
10:34outside of history Fanta that's all yeah that's typically a solution on most things except the
10:39Guardians who are going to make the playoffs by the way they'll make the playoffs I'm so bold of you
10:45I still feel strongly about that look guys I want them to win I want them to win seven or
10:50eight or
10:50nine games if they won seven games I'd be I'd actually be probably be relatively happy I mean
10:57I know I wouldn't be getting the number one pick in the draft but I don't care
10:59I'm not a Peter Lynn oh yeah he thinks he thinks seven wins is not something to be celebrated there
11:05John do you know why do you know why I think seven wins is it's not it's just not a
11:10it's not a I was I
11:11was right this team is awesome narrative if you win seven games no I'm no it would I would say
11:17I
11:17would I said I would be happy because I don't think it's gonna happen I'd be I'd be surprised I
11:25have them winning four or five football games I I would be I told you that they're 27th in my
11:31book
11:31in the National Football League okay John I look forward to you flip-flopping about the Browns here
11:36no I'm not flip-flopping and I will be you when I am right about this being a seven or
11:41eight win team
11:43you're getting news to me you said eight now you said eight we're right what did I say
11:46yeah you went back to the seven or eight thing there's hell will freeze over hell will freeze over
11:52before this team wins eight games if they win eight games yeah what does that do that is punishment
11:57what does that accomplish yeah you can't unsee that yeah I can't even unsee the thought of it so
12:05get ready it's I am I'm gonna be an apple in my mouth they're not there's a difference between 27th
12:12or 28th the NFL and like 17th or 18th and I think we would all agree with this QB room
12:17they are not a
12:18middle tier team in the NFL well John I'll always be able to say I remember you when when you
12:23were a
12:24local yokel a relatable guy I'll be honest with you Valenti changed you with that heinous attack on
12:31you last week yeah just remember your boy Nick Wilson never attacked you even now I'm trying to
12:35love you up as you just bleep all over the Browns you've attacked me countless times I mean I I
12:42can
12:43oh you can't even think of them because you're too busy thinking me with my apple John I did I
12:47thought I was trying to help you with the text I had back and in response to Valenti but I
12:51don't
12:51know that it hit that way I I am in agreement with JP on the win total uh Wilson will
12:58owe us all
12:59dinner which will be a wonderful I'm never buying your ass dinner you you welched on a burger bed
13:06that's almost as heinous as you coming out here being Mr. Fanboy at five wins and saying Todd
13:11Munkin's getting whacked after this season it's got to call it how you see it I respect that about
13:16you John I want to say once again I like Todd Munkin I'm just deeply fearful I'm deep well I'm
13:23fearful
13:23of him saying something they don't like because Stefanski kept his job because he honored what they
13:30wanted all right John um and Stefanski don't grow on trees by the way Stefanski's QB room might be as
13:37bad
13:37if not worse than the Browns right now which is amazing to say it's pretty funny honestly uh
13:42John great stuff on Fanta on 60 you keep uh Troy and Painesville in his corner there Zanesville one
13:48of the vils in his corner we appreciate you bud thank you John thank you guys talk to you next
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