00:00After listening to Kevin Stefanski's locker room victory speeches,
00:05I really hope Todd Munkin can do better than his first as an NFL head coach.
00:11Oh, can do better?
00:12Yeah.
00:12Oh, you thought he left a lot out there, huh?
00:14I think he was spraying in a lot of different directions,
00:17and I think there was a lot of rando there.
00:19I don't think he locked it in.
00:21I don't think we got to the emotion of it.
00:22I don't think he ever thought about winning.
00:24It was actually...
00:25Like what he was going to say.
00:26You know what?
00:27That's actually a great point.
00:28He never considered it was a real possibility.
00:31So he never...
00:32It's like when people bomb their Emmy speech,
00:34and it was like, I didn't know I actually was going to win.
00:37It's like I was supposed to be fourth on this,
00:39and then somehow I won.
00:39And then they forget their husband and end up divorced.
00:41Yeah.
00:42Something tells me it wasn't just the Emmy speech.
00:44Yeah, but you can't forget your significant other in the Emmy speech.
00:47What did they have to do with you winning that award?
00:49A lot of mental and emotional support, maybe.
00:51They really helped my acting.
00:53Maybe.
00:54Yeah.
00:54How?
00:54So you think it's just a nice thing they say?
00:57And what part of your life were you having to act or maybe fake something?
01:01Which part?
01:02So Vanessa does nothing for you mentally or emotionally
01:04to get you ready to be your best for the show?
01:07That's a great box you've put me in there, Jonathan.
01:09Well, you created the box.
01:10Yeah.
01:11Now you've got to sit in it.
01:12No, that's the Emmys.
01:13All right?
01:13We're talking about real people's work here,
01:16talking into a microphone about Browns football.
01:18Are you going to avoid the question?
01:19I already answered it.
01:20Asked and answered.
01:22Oh, is that right?
01:23Yeah.
01:25I got here on my own.
01:27You took sleeping on the couch.
01:27Not one of you helped me.
01:29You took sleeping on the couch instead.
01:30No.
01:30All by myself.
01:32No hands up or handouts.
01:35Any of them.
01:36That's good.
01:36I like that.
01:37Nothing involving hands.
01:38Yeah.
01:38Between this and the Mahomes thing,
01:39you're really taking today in stride, aren't you?
01:41It's as if you won yesterday.
01:43I did.
01:43Yes.
01:43That's really the result of this.
01:44It's as if you won yesterday.
01:46You know why?
01:46Because...
01:47This is a personal win for yourself.
01:48Because 8-9-26 feels more possible.
01:51You really thought after last week that you were just going to have to eat a dirt sandwich
01:56every single week for a while.
01:58And the fact that you got to watch yesterday, it gave you hope.
02:01I noticed the 9 is back in the win department, by the way.
02:04I noticed we went from...
02:05That's 8-9.
02:05It was 7-8 and then 8-1 out because that's how we discussed it.
02:09But now the 9 is back.
02:12Initially, it was 7-8-9.
02:13There's 17 games.
02:14I'm saying an 8-9 record.
02:16Oh, I thought you were saying 8-9.
02:18No.
02:18Misheard.
02:19Misheard.
02:20My bad.
02:20I thought you were bumping him up.
02:22You were the Matthew Della Vadova of radio.
02:24I thought you got the Wilson bump up.
02:26I thought you were trying to do something there.
02:28No.
02:28No.
02:28I'm not a spineless jellyfish in the morning who can't stay committed to his own predictions.
02:34Okay.
02:35Well, I mean, that is what we're doing today.
02:37I thought all sorts of people got to move up and bump up their preseason predictions.
02:41So I wasn't sure.
02:43No, I am ready to say...
02:44He went from four wins to five, guys.
02:45I am...
02:46That's...
02:46By the way, let's clarify this because people are going to think that's Ken.
02:49It was actually Lima.
02:51Who would have thought that?
02:52You do realize this weekend was going to be a win for me no matter what.
02:56No, I did not realize that.
02:57If they start 0-2 and they go to Shador, all of a sudden 8-9 is back on.
03:02If you won, eh, you got to keep Deshaun.
03:04But 8-9 is back on.
03:06Yeah, but that defense, if it looked bad another week, the confidence in Rutenberg would have
03:11you shook right now.
03:13Yeah.
03:14Yeah, especially if he...
03:15But we got it back.
03:15If we had another 6-7% zone coverage, I don't know what I would have been able to do.
03:22Seriously.
03:22You got it back.
03:23It was a reassuring victory for a lot of reasons.
03:26But I do love how you feel like you won yesterday in many, many ways.
03:30I feel like we all won yesterday in many, many ways.
03:33We did put out the Twitter poll at afternoon, 9-2-3-F-A-N, about an hour ago.
03:39Which week is closer to the real Browns?
03:42Week one or week two?
03:44This puts us in a rough position as a show because recency bias certainly might be reigning
03:50supreme.
03:51You also got to be a real jerk if you say week one.
03:53About 43% of people right now have said week one.
03:56You got to be a real jerk.
03:57I don't think you can do...
03:58I don't think you can be out of the air right now saying that you think this team is closer
04:01to week one than week two.
04:03Yeah, I just...
04:03I think...
04:04I think if you look at it, everything that happened around the quarterback yesterday is
04:08what I thought was going to happen this year.
04:12They got the ball to the playmakers and they made plays.
04:15They got you the touchdowns.
04:16The offensive line is coming together, even if it's not a completely linear growth from snap
04:22to snap, and the defense really held it down.
04:25And that gave the quarterback a chance to help win the game.
04:28The only thing that hasn't come together yet is the running game, which we can get to.
04:32But like, to me, like, so much of yesterday was validating what I thought this team could
04:39be.
04:40So am I...
04:41Is it a recency bias of just yesterday?
04:43Or is this just who I thought the Browns were?
04:46Meaning week one is kind of null and void to me.
04:49Well, we also...
04:49There was two things that we had to put in the equation for week one.
04:52And one of them actually got dinged, not in a great way, yesterday.
04:55And that was the idea that Jacksonville might just be awesome.
04:58And Jacksonville doesn't look awesome after the second week against Denver.
05:00But it's a good Denver team.
05:01And we watched Denver score two touchdowns in the fourth.
05:04It was what it was.
05:04The other thing with week two...
05:06Or with week one, and the second part of this, is that week one was just a high,
05:10high-scoring week.
05:11The highest in week one NFL Sunday history.
05:14And there was a lot of missed tackles.
05:16And there was a lot of poor defensive play.
05:18And so it wasn't just the Browns that looked lost in week one.
05:22It was across the board.
05:23And it seems like in week two, the Browns found themselves a little bit.
05:27Yeah.
05:27Everything around the quarterback, including the defense, I think this team is closer
05:32to week two than week one.
05:34The only TBD for me is Todd Munkin and his coaching staff and Deshaun Watson.
05:40That's the only one that if you said pick a side, are they closer to week one or week two?
05:45I don't know, because quite frankly, this team bailed out Todd Munkin and his coaching
05:49staff, because there were multiple points.
05:52There's a lot of things we were going to talk about.
05:53The fourth and one play, we'd talk about all show long if they lost that game.
05:56And the challenge.
05:57I mean, there was countless moments, even as good as the defense was.
06:00And I'm going to keep bringing up.
06:02The third and 18 play, allowing that to be a conversion to a first down was stinking embarrassing.
06:09But they won, so we don't have to go ahead and hammer on them the same way, even if I
06:13still have questions about Todd Munkin, his coaching staff, and Deshaun going into week
06:17three.
06:17So 43% of the fans saying they think they're closer to week one.
06:21That means a lot of people out there still believe that what you saw yesterday was more
06:25mirage than it was anything else.
06:27It's now down to 42.5%.
06:29So it feels like we're trending in the right direction.
06:31How about that?
06:32Recent trends are, as we get ready for November, recent trends are actually positive here for week
06:37two being the real one.
06:38That is still a really large number of fans out there that think that what you saw yesterday
06:42wasn't real, or what you saw yesterday was maybe matchup dependent.
06:45And the idea that the Bucs are just a good matchup for the Browns, especially relative
06:50to what Jacksonville is.
06:52Yeah, the problem is a fair amount of people weren't thinking the Bucs were a good matchup
06:55for the Browns going into that game.
06:57Well, I think defensively versus offense is what I mean.
06:59And I feel like from the, and I agree with you, there wasn't many people that thought that.
07:03But if the, if the national conversation today is Todd Bowles defense just broke, does he
07:08not know what he's doing defensively?
07:10And we've watched now two weeks in a row, offenses slice up that Bucs defense.
07:14Well, maybe in turn, we look up seven, eight, nine, 10 weeks from now, and the Bucs defense
07:17is just crap.
07:182-1-6, 4-7-4, double-0-9-2.
07:21Which week is closer to the real Browns week one or week two?
07:24Vote on that at afternoon, 9-2-3-F-A-N.
07:27Jay and Bay wants to have a say.
07:30What do you say, Jay, in the Bay?
07:32Well, yeah, you guys, I don't know what your guys' problem is.
07:35I've never heard two people talk so negatively about a Browns win.
07:39It's insane.
07:40What in the blue hell are you talking about?
07:42You guys, all I hear about, I see the clips on social media, too.
07:46All you guys are talking about is negative, negative, negative, negative, negative.
07:50Wait, wait, wait.
07:52Just let me say the things that I've said on air.
07:55Deshaun had a very good start.
07:57Todd Munkin needed that win.
07:59That was a good win.
08:00And it doesn't matter what it means for next week.
08:03Like, let's celebrate the win.
08:05What negative thing are you referring to, Jay, that I've said?
08:08I don't know.
08:08Just the way you guys talked about the defense.
08:10Like, the last 10 minutes when I was on a hole.
08:12All we did was say nice things about the defense.
08:13Yeah, we just said that.
08:14What are you talking about?
08:15What the?
08:15What are you guys talking about?
08:16Do you want us to make them the 85 Bears?
08:18What do you want from us?
08:19If you guys want your hair to start, that's fine.
08:21Go ahead.
08:21Fine.
08:22We didn't say that.
08:23We're perfectly fine with Deshaun Watson being the starter if he plays like he did this last weekend.
08:26Jay, we'll give you a chance here again.
08:28What negative thing did we say about the defense?
08:30Everything.
08:31No, not everything.
08:33No, no.
08:33Everything you guys have said today is negative.
08:35You're absolutely full of crap, Jay.
08:36Everything you guys have said today is negative.
08:37You are full of crap, Jay.
08:39It is garbage.
08:40It is garbage.
08:40Jay, no, your call is garbage and your call is over.
08:43No, no, no, no.
08:44When I said that I think this week is closer to the defense that they really are, and I
08:49think that's a great sign for the Browns.
08:50When we talk about the playmakers, when we talk about the offensive line, we say Deshaun
08:54Watson has had one of his top three games as a Cleveland Brown.
08:58If you're hearing negative, it's because you have some sort of mental defect that when you
09:02listen to Nick and Jonathan, that's all you hear.
09:04I can't help you.
09:06See a shrink.
09:06I don't give a rat's ass because it's a Browns victory Monday and you're not bringing
09:11me down, Jay in the Bay.
09:12What do you say?
09:14Sorry.
09:15No, it's fine.
09:16Listen, we've said a lot of nice things.
09:18We've said a lot of nice things about Deshaun.
09:19We've said a lot of nice things about the defense.
09:20Also, I fundamentally just reject the idea that we're supposed to be up here just waxing
09:26poetic about how awesome everything is, and because you got one victory, we're supposed
09:30to just do pom-poms for five hours?
09:32Things are going to pop up, guys, during a show.
09:34If it's a five-hour show and we're talking about a three-hour football game, they maybe aren't
09:37always awesome, even after wins.
09:39Like, it's just, it's not, sorry, it's just, it's not our job to be your cheerleader.
09:44That's not how this works.
09:45Also, I don't, like, I understand.
09:47Come to your own conclusions, make up whatever you want to say, do whatever you got to do,
09:50but like, it's not our job to go ahead and be like, everything is awesome all the time
09:54either.
09:54I honestly thought we were going to walk in here and we were going to be just hammered
09:59as homers today because of saying nice things about Deshaun where a fair amount of
10:04people don't want to give him even adequate credit for yesterday.
10:0643% of people still think that they're closer to week one than they are week two.
10:10I just, is that, are you hearing negative?
10:13Like, you're listening to the car driving around.
10:14Is that all you're hearing?
10:16Because I swear to you, I feel like I'm coming off like a homer today after a Browns win
10:21yesterday because I'm so relieved the Browns actually won a freaking game.
10:24Which again, it's not our, but it's not our job though either.
10:27Like if, if, if we watch that game and we came away with 27 million negatives, then
10:31that's fine.
10:32That's what we see in that given day.
10:33Disagree with it all you want.
10:35But again, that's not how we've come across today.
10:37All we've done is talk about positive things.
10:40I, I, I don't know.
10:41I, we did bring up the run game a lot.
10:43Do you want to just bury your head in the sand about that caller out there?
10:46Like we can do it collectively.
10:47We can just act as if the run game wasn't a problem at all and everything's going to be
10:50great.
10:51Was that too much for everyone?
10:52Was that too much for everyone?
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