00:00we're just not asking for that much we're not and the idea that he thinks that we are is the
00:03part
00:04that's so bothersome in all of this but again he probably looks at what happened on sunday
00:07as he described it in his own words yeah pretty good pretty good uh pretty good job by himself
00:13right six incompletions is how he sold it six incompletions thought the operations went well
00:18despite two delayed game penalties uh covered up his own fumble right recovered it so everything
00:23was good do you think he really believes it yes i do that's the problem the problem is i think
00:27he
00:27really does believe it and i think the the quincy avery's of the world have gotten into his head
00:31that everything he does can be awesome if you just frame it the right proper way for himself
00:38to go ahead and digest and that is the problem they have been framing everything for him for as long
00:43as he's been in a brown's uniform that he's not the problem it's other people that are the problem and
00:47what he's doing is serviceable and it's just not yeah i think my concern here is uh the browns have
00:53been right in their initial theory that they have continued to tell everyone and anyone
00:57which is you know if he plays well you're you're gonna love him regardless right they've said that
01:03multiple times and that is true the problem is he keeps raising the bar for himself to clear the
01:10he's playing well so i'm gonna forget about the past when you come out and say this and you made
01:15the
01:15great point earlier he's using media as a catch-all for all of cleveland he doesn't mean we know what
01:22deshaun means in his heart of hearts because he he said it three saturdays ago so when he says what
01:28he says this is about all of cleveland not just the cleveland media and the truth is i don't care
01:33if deshaun likes me or not i don't care if deshaun likes you or ken or anybody anybody on the
01:39beat
01:39because the truth is i'm just getting ready to get off this ride at some point in the next 17
01:45weeks
01:45but but for him to come out and act like well you know the media set an impossible bar
01:51no no what set an impossible bar was moving on for baker mayfield for deshaun watson uh six top 100
01:59picks it was the expectation that they were going to be in the super bowl or in the super bowl
02:04conversation every year and that's why they made the trade the first guaranteed contract in the
02:09that's right 100 million dollar plus fully guaranteed contract for a quarterback in the nfl oh and having
02:15to put up with the entire legacy of the cleveland browns smeared by the allegations which deshaun
02:21accrued in houston and then browns fans paid for because like two browns fans wanted autographs five
02:28years ago that's where the high expectations come from we were sold a bill of goods and so far it's
02:34been a bill of crap i would argue it's where they came from they no longer exist that way though
02:39and
02:39that's the difference for myself yes there was a time when we acquired deshaun watson and you pay him
02:43230 million dollars in guaranteed money he's got those expectations he's supposed to deliver on
02:48that he's supposed to be mahomes he's supposed to be allen he's supposed to be burrow and during this
02:54year we didn't have that that that wasn't the expectation for him we just wanted decent play
02:57and so i don't know maybe he's just living five years ago and he's living with the world on his
03:01shoulders as far as the expectations attached to what he's supposed to deliver but deshaun i'll tell you
03:06honestly nobody expected that out of you this year they just wanted competent play that's all we were
03:11asking for well you know what i think is really important one of the things that i'd said when
03:16kevin stefanski was continuing to repeat deshaun and i have had great conversations about the offense
03:21and he you know he's co-signing every even when deshaun would say it publicly oh i love what we're
03:26doing offensively i kept coming back to i think he's not being truthful because deshaun isn't the guy
03:33that rocks the boat via the media unless he is taking a blow torch to browns fans so you often
03:39have to
03:40ask yourself do i feel like i'm getting the real real from deshaun and i feel like i now have
03:45to
03:45tell that to todd todd just because that todd father just because he says words that you want
03:52to hear doesn't mean he actually means them yeah yeah uh he is he's very quick to try to tell
03:59people
03:59that's a funny thing we we think though that he's very quick to tell people what they want to hear
04:03but all he's ever done in these press conferences has said the opposite he's just done it with a smile
04:07yeah but he's done it in a very misleading way where if you just look at his facial expressions
04:11you're like oh okay uh but listen to the words that he's actually saying he's he lacks so much
04:17self-awareness and all this it's it's it's astounding to me and it's astounding to me that
04:21they consistently put him out there and expect anything else this is it's gone awful on the field
04:26it's gone even worse off the field and i'm speaking to the press conferences specifically here
04:31yeah and again todd munkin can say well deshaun told me to my face that uh he's over whatever
04:37happened press conferences like today they're they're your warning call and if it gets really
04:44ugly and i hate like i i try not to think doomsday when it comes to situations like a brown
04:50starting
04:50quarterback in front of the home opener if they're oh and two and he's out here saying things uh through
04:57through gritted teeth or a fake smile i i just i don't know what more you need i don't know
05:03how
05:03this how ugly this has to get the kid doesn't want and sorry he's not a kid he's a grown
05:07man he's 31
05:08for the love of god the the greatest developmental quarterback well you know if he just shakes off
05:13this rust he's he hasn't played in 700 a day i've heard this bit before and you know what it
05:17led to
05:18more crappy football but the guy doesn't want to be here it is painfully obvious that he doesn't want
05:23to be and i don't even know that he wants to play for his football life at this point i
05:26i feel
05:27like he's almost begging the browns to just not put him out there the way his attitude is and the
05:32way he discusses these things it's almost like he's asking them to bench him so browns fans don't
05:36want him out there week three he's going up against the former quarterback who you guys misjudged that
05:42you were going to make this great trade from oh but don't worry your process is elite your process
05:46is undeniable it's just your results that's it sucked to this point especially at the quarterback
05:51position he's going probably to get beat by the quarterback you moved on from because you said
05:56he wasn't a winning enough quarterback and oh by the way browns fans don't want him out there
06:00i just i'm trying to find the win here and oh extra bt dubs uh todd munkin is probably ruining
06:09a lot of
06:10goodwill with fans by continuing this charade and i just i mean there's a lot that's happening for
06:15todd right now none of it is positive because he keeps going to bat for this guy and i just
06:19keep
06:19coming back to man nobody needs a good game and a win more than to sean and the browns but
06:23it's like
06:23yeah i've been saying that for about five years there are times in these munkin press conferences
06:27when he says like uh the the the contract i made with these players is that i'm gonna go if
06:32you're
06:32on my team i'm gonna go to bat for you i almost wonder if he's almost signaling to us like
06:35i have
06:36to i have to say these nice things because if i don't say i'm about everybody then i'm lying to
06:41them
06:41and i have to stick up for deshaun watson a guy i don't want to stick up for uh it's
06:45the only thing
06:45that makes sense to me at this point i don't know how he continues to go to bat for this
06:48guy
06:48nathan saying uh at nick wilson says i'm sorry that's he sent that to my handle i said i was
06:53just trying to say at 46 million dollars a year i am absolutely expecting 400 yards and five
06:58touchdowns a game i just want to win i just want to take advantage of the god-given talent the
07:04browns actually have oddly enough because the contract has existed for so long 46 million is
07:08that you're not expecting 400 yards and five touchdowns at a quarterback you get 46 million too
07:13and yet you're still expecting more than he gave you week one well it's like that's seriously from a
07:18financial standpoint 46 million is like 13th best in the nfl right now it's somewhere in that range
07:23it's really it's not crazy funny thing about taking on baker is the idea that baker he all laughed at
07:28230 million in guaranteed money in the five years that baker now has had contracts away from the browns
07:34he's going to make 269 million he will have made more than deshaun watson in the five-year stretch
07:38frank in gates mills welcome to the show hello fellas hello you my my week my weekly call to defend
07:46sean watson sean watson even though i don't really like him as a player but you guys seem to pick
07:51on
07:51him how are we picking on him well let me ask you a question who is making the decision for
07:59deshaun
07:59watson to be the quarterback of this team i guess we don't really know that we think munkin but it
08:04might
08:04also be something with andrew berry and it might be something with jimmy hasham i guess we don't we
08:08don't really confidently know a hundred percent that answer well i i mean i heard earlier today i think it
08:14was it jason lloyd that was on that basically said this is the todd munkin decision and then it's
08:22basically showing some signs as to what they think about shador your your boy shador so i guess i'm
08:30just wondering do you want deshaun watson to say okay i'm gonna not play anymore why don't you bench
08:36me what do you want him to do the browns are asking him to be the starting quarterback yeah by
08:40the way
08:40doing the best he can but and it's not good enough frank and by the way i want to let
08:47you
08:47know i do appreciate you so this this or this ranger is not necessarily at you and might come
08:51out at you i want you to know that uh bringing shador up into this is just the most lazy
08:56thing
08:56possible they never had to put deshaun in a position where he was going to start they had a
09:01whole off season to trade for or sign any other quarterback and by the way deshaun if he's going
09:08out there should be expected to perform he's doing his best he's not good enough when he also
09:14comes off as lacking self-awareness and acting like he's the victim in the scenario deshaun is
09:19a hundred percent the problem and he doesn't get it that's the frustration he acts like he's freaking
09:26patrick mahomes and he's a slump to this point i agree with you nick but hear me out with all
09:33that
09:33said the browns are still putting them out there so what you keep talking specifically about well
09:39it's been it's been one week frank why don't you point you earlier you still in todd we trust are
09:45you still on todd's team one it's uh it's trust in todd let's get the acronym right and by the
09:49way
09:50i have i don't know if frank he laughed he laughed we got it we got it but no i
09:54did i've i've said the
09:56browns are just as much of a problem here because he they put that schmo out there in front of
10:01a
10:01microphone you can do both things you can say deshaun you come off as an idiot and lack self
10:06awareness i want to walk that back deshaun you lack self-awareness and you you just do not seem like
10:12a
10:12relatable guy or somebody i want to represent my team while also saying what in the hell are you
10:16guys doing over there you don't have to choose between i'm just gonna well you know what i can't
10:21i can't address what deshaun said because i have to go over here and talk about the browns i got
10:25five
10:25hours you got five hours we can do it all all right now we're back to the conversation we started
10:29yesterday which is the idea of are we just being too hard on deshaun watson apparently we are we're
10:33just being too hard on deshaun consistently you know what that's all that's all we are we're just
10:37too hard on deshaun watson this is why poor deshaun watson this is why coming up in about uh seven
10:43minutes time i am going to finally apologize to deshaun say i'm going to be the bigger person here i'm
10:48going to do you start with an apology to me and andy baskin with the big nose comments no i
10:52don't think
10:53so okay no i just wanted i wanted to check in i wanted to see if we could get one
10:56bp and pepper pike you
10:57got about 45 seconds buddy what you got for us well first of all you know i was watching the
11:01kansas city chiefs game the other night and you know they're still playing winning football their
11:05fans are outrageous there i mean and basically we we had our core back in 2021 and now we've
11:11completely went through all that talent but the chiefs are still you know at the top of the game top
11:16of the league i mean i'm just infuriated with the haslam to me everything they touch turns to you know
11:22what they're on top of it they traded you know with the milwaukee the milwaukee bucks you know
11:27they've dismantled that team now they've dismantled the browns but i don't think this is ever going to
11:31get any better until the haslam's are gone i really believe that i think this is a joke
11:35well here's we've taken yeah here's a problem bp and i thank you for the call buddy uh in an
11:41article
11:41with cleveland magazine they mentioned a 50-year plan now here's the thing where we would be about 15
11:48years into the this 50 actually no i'm sorry the 50-year plan starts with brook park yeah yeah yeah
11:53we reset yeah and which which means we will have been through about an 18-year plan to get there
11:58it's going to be a lot of fun is what i'm saying yeah i like having a 50-year plan
12:02though imagine if
12:04i like this imagine if 93 the fam came to us and it's like got a 50-year plan like
12:08guys uh i'm not on
12:10the same 50-year plan timeline the the the ratings have been sagging a little bit you're not you know
12:15you're not paying attention to each other it's not very entertaining and i'm like don't worry we
12:19got a 50-year plan and the next 50 years at some point three we might have it figured out
12:24fortunately
12:24we don't need it because we get results boom that felt good you did the finger gun i did right
12:30that
12:30was just for 92 through the fans youtube a little aggressive i know i know i hope i didn't whoa
12:35whoa
12:35you never point a loaded gun at anyone i should have known that i'm from the country
12:38you
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