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00:00the dolphins have the chiefs they are 12 and a half point dogs on hard rock and it's getting worse
00:05it's getting worse dude and it's getting worse um i mean the chiefs have been rolling and the
00:12dolphins they're just they're there uh also one thing that should be noted and i guess we got an
00:18injury report today uh not nothing caleb douglas did get hurt at the end of that game uh and was
00:23in a boot so you know you you wonder that that is their number one target the the the uh
00:32young
00:32receiver out of texas tech so that also isn't great because as we know they're already thin
00:38and a rookie receiver you're hoping to lean on a little bit might not be available so we'll uh
00:46wonder we'll get some updates on the health later on as we get closer but a couple of things one
00:51uh we do have some news on jackson dart this is uh from ian rapoport and adam schefter
00:58uh he's gonna have knee surgery he has uh injuries to his mcl pcl and meniscus and it's over johnny
01:08that sounds like that's it well the the pcl but the acl and and the meniscus depending on how bad
01:18it is
01:19that could be a four week or a six month thing so yeah meniscus is the when you hear meniscus
01:27everybody goes whoa it's not a it's not a ligament but sometimes the meniscus surgery that you have to
01:35have is very substantial and it requires a long recovery time so you have that and then of course
01:42uh tomorrow we have thursday night football which is the falcons at the packers oh do rag starting
01:49michael pennix jr just started but conveniently oh he's been practicing as well as soon as michael
01:59pennix gets the nod to start to his healthy to his back full swing at practice yeah he's the backup
02:08but what the hell is that did you see koopa rush i did see koopa rush did you see the
02:13other guy that
02:13they had but you don't find it a little strange that he was in line to start week one that
02:181.3 and
02:19not get hit he falls down let me get that one you know this sounds like it sounds like a
02:27guy
02:29who doesn't want to compete or deal with the backlash of not performing he's not mentally tough
02:37that's what it sounds like he's avoiding confrontation it's crazy calling him a mental
02:42little person i just think that i said that already i've said that before he left here there's certain
02:49things that as a professional athlete especially a quarterback that should not get to you or affect
02:58you and your team is looking at you to be stable when it comes to stuff like that you know
03:04what i'm
03:05saying if you getting all caught up in your feelings then that's bad leadership because the quarterback is
03:12always going to take heat well i wanted to bring up what schmeethan did and i'm curious what you guys
03:16think of this i see i peeped it would the dolphins get to appoint leroy nope all these desperate
03:24quarterback teams that they take calls on malik willis no because because here even if even if
03:30they had the first pick this is a very very very green bay thing even if they had the first
03:40pick
03:41malik willis will be the starting quarterback
03:45because what are they notorious for doing sitting their young quarterback that's true that is true
03:52that is what they are known for however and guess what they've never been without one however did it
03:58okay but you're you also in asset collecting mode and if you had a desperate team in new york that
04:03was
04:03like i mean we saw how jamis played on monday i don't think jamis was ready to play no how
04:08was he not
04:09ready to play no he's the most positive person i know but he's not he's not in the mind frame
04:14to
04:14go play no because if you saw it i was watching the the pregame if you saw him running around
04:18the
04:18field getting ready during pregame you could tell he wasn't in the right state of mind okay
04:22well i just gotta say to that vlad you have a crash dummy as your starting quarterback if he's
04:27not ready to play that's on jamis winston well maybe they thought the crash dummy was under
04:31restraints with under jim harborough how could you possibly think that and listen because he didn't
04:35i mean he got hurt but it wasn't like he was doing anything crazy he just got sandwiched it was
04:39a nasty sandwich you didn't want to be the middle you want to be the middle of that sandwich it
04:42was
04:42a tough it was a tough okay it was a nasty oreo but nonetheless they're not trading a chance of
04:49getting arch the giants so you think they want to tank i think they're going to try to play with
04:57jamis and whoever their backup quarterback is and if they don't win okay because remember jackson dart
05:04it's not john um it's not john harborough's quarterback no he's not so if you have a chance
05:11to get a good week one though he did he looks like he's got talent but guess what guys everything's
05:17all
05:17about the six days you win you got six days to to to crown your team up until the next
05:22game if they
05:23lose everybody starts criticizing your team but i just don't think they're going to trade that at the
05:28chance of you already had eli there you know you'd already know what the manny's family they have a
05:34affinity for the giants organization right so it would only it would only make sense that
05:40but they look like i mean they they they whooped up on the cowboys so like if they did want
05:44to bring
05:45in somebody who's so how we do more cable how we doing this because week one they beat up the
05:49cow
05:49oh my god they're the most physical tough team then week two they get their ass handed by the rams
05:54and
05:54it's like oh are they gonna tank like you understand you see the like in six days what
05:58happens six seven days six seven days ago they were the most physical team a team that could surprise
06:04the a the nfce but they're the starting quarterback now they get hurt okay they get hurt and then now
06:09it's like okay now do you want to make a trade for malik like come on now i don't think
06:13it's that crazy
06:13i don't think the dolphins would trade malik not even for a first round pick they ain't gonna get a
06:18first round pick why not they're desperate they you're just making up stuff now i am making up
06:25stuff that's the fun of it roy it's not reported it's week three this is not gonna get a first
06:30round draft pick what about second no i don't even think second well then i don't do it but i'm
06:37only
06:37doing it if you're getting an overpay like that's the whole gonna get an overpay you might though dude
06:41somebody gets desperate you get a little who's gonna get desperate i mean i gotta tell you if you're the
06:47falcons you're gonna lose if you're the falcons and you paid drake london and bajon robinson and
06:53you paid all these guys in the off season so why would i get a quarterback that just got paid
06:5725
06:58million dollars when i can get a rookie quarterback and have him under because you have all these guys
07:03ready to roll now so okay but you have all these guys ready to roll now so let me get
07:07this straight
07:07look because here's where the athlete in me in me comes in sorry and and like gets a little crazy
07:17okay so they're gonna trade for him and he's just gonna pick up and they're gonna be good right away
07:24well here's what i would say what is the problem right now with malik willis is that we can't really
07:30tell there's no weapons he's got he's got no weapons they don't protect him either they don't
07:34protect him either but but he's got nobody to throw to he's got nobody to throw to at least
07:38there he's not london he's got pits he's got proven guys that he can go and show some things to
07:44so like
07:45look it is part of the process i'm only doing it if somebody gets desperate and my question to you
07:51is
07:52how long do you think it's going to take him to get up to speed with his receivers when we
08:01see
08:01all summer quarterbacks getting on the same page with their receivers i don't know but my answer to
08:09that would probably be if my options are porcelain knee and porcelain head it's as long as it's faster
08:16than cooper rush it doesn't matter but so so what if it takes a month then where are you at
08:22them it's not
08:23worth it in the south oh you're playing the south you're making you're you're making the the the you're
08:31trying to set the scenario where a quarterback can leave one team go to another team and help that
08:41team substantially when he hasn't been a starting quarterback for a year i understand i understand
08:46but it's one of those things where you're looking at terrible options for atlanta regardless right the
08:52dolphins it seems like do you think that the dolphins have brought in malik willis right right
08:58do you think if they thought it would look this grim right off the bat and it's not him i
09:02just want
09:02to be clear this is not an indictment on malik willis i'm not that's off a ship on malik willis
09:06i'm talking about they really have set this guy up with nothing around him right now i'm not out on
09:14malik willis i'm not saying he's a bum i'm saying boy they don't seem like they're in a situation to
09:20spend
09:20any money on a quarterback to succeed right now they just don't seem ready for it they're not but
09:26but the thing is is that you have a better chance to have some success here because you've been here
09:34than to go to a new team and then all of a sudden keep in mind this is not a
09:41veteran quarterback this is
09:43not joe flacco this is not even jamis right who has been or in the league for a while and
09:51can kind
09:52of pick these things up this is a guy who hasn't started 16 games in in the nfl so you
10:00would be
10:01training for a guy basically a rookie right and i would say if you're going to go through all those
10:08links don't give up assets when you got a quarterback pool coming in at the end of the
10:12year but he's not a rookie you know like i'm not treating i'm not i'm not treating malik willis like
10:17a rookie okay that's your fault how many games started he has nine seven seven bro he hasn't even
10:23done it just happens but he's not a rookie he's not he's not a rookie he's not a rookie he's
10:30been in
10:30the nfl for four years he's not a rookie okay but he hasn't played that's fine but he's not a
10:35rookie
10:35you think that matters well you say it matters because that's why you want to rest quarterbacks
10:39so don't say that it doesn't matter because you're you're proponent of sitting quarterbacks and now
10:42all of a sudden that means nothing like you can't do that what do you mean it doesn't mean you
10:47always
10:47say to sit quarterbacks right because they're not ready he's sat now for three years correct to get
10:52ready for the situation so he's not a rookie he doesn't have the experience on the field but it's
10:58different than going to whoever you're gonna draft you're gonna draft darian mensa or dante moore
11:03that's not the same yeah but you're giving up assets for a guy who is not proven he's not proven
11:10that's true but he's not kooka rush but this is not a guy that i've seen play and no can
11:15play that's
11:16why when they bring joe flacco in and he can go and get a heater for a couple of weeks
11:20everybody
11:21knows what joe flacco can do you have no idea why would you give up an asset and be just
11:26as and
11:28and have the situation be just as unknown as just waiting to get a rookie quarterback if he got that
11:33much money in the offseason he obviously was a coveted commodity and people weren't paying him like a
11:37rookie like people were paying him as if he's got some understanding is less than half what the
11:42starting quarterbacks get it's still not nothing though leroy it's not it's more than any backup
11:46but put it but put it in i am putting it like he he doesn't if the if the the
11:53as tua would say
11:55the what did he say the uh market is the market the market is the market okay if you paying
12:01half of
12:02what the market value is then what are you saying like he's got some work to do he's got some
12:09work
12:09to do i'm not disagreeing with you he obviously has assets for a guy who you don't you still don't
12:16know if i'm doing if i'm trading assets i need to know what he's gonna be able to do okay
12:21here's
12:22why i would say though if you're if the dolphins are doing in a situation where they're like hey
12:25he's not set up to win here somebody wants to trade for him because they don't want to give up
12:29on the season so you're putting in the scenario of where vlad is and where you are both of the
12:34front
12:34offices are saying rqbs are no good let's give up on the season and i would say with the giants
12:38and the falcons they're both in this land of they already have a lot of build already do they just
12:43want to tank and then bring in a quarterback who may be not ready to play maybe arch manning is
12:48generational but we don't know right we do this every year with the quarterbacks we have no idea
12:52who's going to be good at this yeah so at least i have a guy who yes has some experience
12:57has cooked a
12:59little bit and now i'm actually giving him some seasoned players to put around him so i don't think it's
13:06i just i i'm just doing it after week two or three of the football season is not an easy
13:15transition
13:16for a guy who is really just getting his his his bearings on this offense yeah of course it's not
13:26an
13:26ideal situation neither guess what but so so because it's not why would you risk assets
13:33without knowing like what i don't want to give up on the season if i'm the falcons or the giants
13:38i wouldn't want to give up on my year so so go get malik who's unproven would you rather have
13:43kuba rush i would you rather have two of them but but to me not for the dolphins but for
13:51another team
13:53to say i'm gonna trade assets for malik you're in the same boat as kuba right yeah you have no
13:58idea
13:58you're acting like the and i i get it you want other teams to be as dumb to to make
14:04that move i
14:04don't think it's dumb i think i i'm putting them they're not giving up on the season tobin but that's
14:09the thing you're you're thinking about them as not giving up on the season because you're ready to
14:13give up on your season and guess what if you're thinking the same they might be thinking the same
14:18thing but you wouldn't agree that they're in the same spot as the dolphins no like the dolphins
14:22are playing with a bunch of babies they just gave a bunch of money to bajon robinson jake drake london
14:26and and kyle pitts they paid all three of those because it was that because they got to that time
14:31and yes they got to that time and their quarterback they were going to go into an experiment of either
14:35playing two or kyle pitts or uh excuse me michael pennix and neither of those guys are healthy to play
14:40football right so and therefore why would i make a move for a guy who's making 24 25 million
14:47dollars when the current quarterback that i have is on a rookie um contract because you can't say
14:51healthy vlad cool so then i can get another guy i can have for another five years on the cheap
14:56skis
14:56yeah but you're gonna have to bring in a rookie you have no idea if he's good that year i'm
15:00not
15:00gonna the quarterback's gonna be good okay but you have cooper rush right now now your option is cooper
15:06rush cool but guess what if i know my options cooper rush to or michael pennix my team stinks this
15:12season so what's the point of me trading away my um assets when i can get maybe a future
15:19franchise quarterback next year maybe you're doing it on a maybe though we're all doing it on a maybe
15:25with malik willis
15:29i'm giving up i'm trying to figure this season you're going for next season
15:36why not why would you sign those three guys the whole point of it is this what you're suggesting
15:44that would happen next year you're also suggesting you do it now not really it's the same wait the
15:53uncertainty of having a young quarterback next year it's just as great as bringing in malik in
16:01like almost a third of the season gone because he hasn't been proven even stop making it act like
16:08we're in november they play in the weakest division in the sport okay thank you thank god you don't run
16:18my team no thank god yeah because i mean mr uh hates tanking and hates rookie quarterbacks playing
16:23all of a sudden now you're oh we could go get our franchise quarterback that's never been anything
16:27you've signed up for in the history of knowing you now all of a sudden now all of a sudden
16:31you're
16:31against it against what all of a sudden you're for you're for playing a quarterback right out of
16:37the gate and he's gonna i didn't wait wait wait wait you you misunderstood what i said no i didn't
16:43right i didn't say i didn't say you're bringing in a quarterback to play right away what i said was
16:51is why would you give up an asset for an unproven win if you're terrible you could probably get one
17:00next year that's not saying he's gonna play right away i'm not saying that but you you made the
17:07assumption that said oh i'm gonna get a rookie quarterback and throw him in there well then why
17:11would you give up on the season then oh so you wait wait let me get this straight you're saying
17:19if the giants or atlanta were to trade for malik that their season wouldn't be
17:28do you know something about malik that we don't know i don't know anything i know right now he's
17:33not in a good position to succeed because he has nobody around him but but at least those teams
17:38have weapons okay but that doesn't mean that doesn't mean you can plug in neighbors i literally
17:44mentioned all neighbors is hurt neighbors is hurt okay he'll be back
17:49isaiah likely scataboo like he's got it's scataboo's like one hit away from bc so is everybody
17:55dude so is everybody literally football literally everybody's a hit away you know what i love about
17:59this is what i love about tobit tobit is just trying to figure out a way to and i respect
18:04it
18:04you're trying to help your team but we in helping your team you think you're also hoping that
18:10other teams are dumb i don't think they're dumb they're they're trying to not roll they're not
18:14trying to throw in the towel on the season you guys are making somebody made a valid point
18:20would you call the dolphins for malik or would you call the 49ers for mac jones mac jones um
18:26mac jones a guy that's won and got to the playoff it's about here's the thing he's learning under
18:32kyle shanahan and if i'm going by the couch he's learning under kyle shanahan like every quarterback
18:36that's left kyle shanahan has done great like sam darnell like how long was he with him he was
18:41he was with him for six what half a season and that wasn't kevin o'connell and then went to
18:46kevin
18:46o'connell okay okay so then we had the whole season there with him so what do you think was
18:50more valuable to him uh those sitting on his ass or playing football uh clearly sitting on his ass
18:55because clearly sitting on his ass got him a chance to go with o'connell what yes because it
18:59wasn't the jacksonville days and it wasn't what had him a chance to go to o'connell was jj mccarthy's
19:03knee not working yeah okay and then what happened and then he got to play because mccarthy's knee
19:10didn't work okay so then can i just say you sound crazy you really do i don't you do you
19:16do no
19:16you sound crazy because why why would you say malik has nothing but then you just make the assumption
19:24that if one of these teams had him it'd work out because they don't have nothing leroy like what are
19:31you talking about they have perennial pro bowlers what are you talking about dude if you had a
19:36choice would you call for mack jones or would you call for malik are you are you making the case
19:43scenario okay you could make that you could talk the case about mack jones like i wouldn't have a
19:48problem with them calling mack jones that's fine call mack jones he had a great he had a great run
19:54as a
19:54starter but he's more proven than malik yeah i'll give you he's he looked decent last year also with
20:01a bunch of weapons around so yeah fine make it mack jones that's fine but you guys are kind of
20:05arguing
20:06the same thing he also got benched and he got he was terrible in new england he got run out
20:12of new
20:12england so was sam darn um let's let's say it this way why would you give up assets for an
20:19unproven
20:20commodity leroy because you're going to try and get a guy i would just call for mack jones okay
20:27make it mack jones that's fine but mack jones also has plenty of warts and questions with experience
20:32just like most is he not more proven but not that much more proven yes he is okay dude you're
20:39really
20:39then why is he not in new england why do they have drake may okay all right